3Dice - My review

[ChopleyIOM]

I've been playing at 3Dice for a little over two weeks now.

In that time I've made three deposits and last night I made my first withdrawal request - following on from that here's a brief review of the casino based on my experiences with them.

CUSTOMER SERVICE - Beyond reproach IMO. From being contacted at CM personally by the rep with regards to the SUB after I cussed it up on these forums (thanks Enzo!), to a couple of chats with 3Dice staff regarding an issue related to banking, to the support ticket I raised regarding graphical issues I was having with the client, to the regular tournaments that the 3Dice staff put on, and much more - it's all first class.

(I'm not a big fan of tournament play but I have had a dabble with them at 3Dice, not won anything yet though )

You get used to seeing the same names in the chat software, on support emails, banking correspondence, and so on, which all contributes to creating an overarching sense of personal service to the casino.

Plus as far as I can tell there's always a staff member online in Live Chat too.

BONUS CULTURE - Superb. Rather than give massive bonuses with dreadful T&Cs and onerous WRs, 3Dice seem to operate on a policy of small bonuses that are GENUINE bonuses. I've been offered a 5% no strings attached bonus on every deposit I've made, and I've earned something in the region of £30 to £35 of bonuses from redeeming my comp points. (All gameplay at 3Dice earns comp points.) In all cases, no game restrictions, no bet size restrictions, no WR.

At a lot of casinos a bonus ends up feeling like a burden, at 3Dice they feel like genuine perks.

Plus if you like your tournaments there's always a few to choose from and they have real cash prizes for no entry fee. You need to be a VIP to enter most of them, but it seems that making a deposit qualifies you as a VIP, I would guess you need to deposit with reasonable regularity to maintain VIP status which seems fair to me.

GAME CHOICE AND DESIGN - There's no getting around the fact that game choice (especially video slots) is limited compared to other software providers. However, every slot is unique, every slot has its own feel and features, and so far I'm not feeling constrained by a lack of choice.

And realistically, how many of MG's 400 slots (or however many it is) does anyone play regularly or indeed at all, and how many of them are clones/reskins? I bet most players end up with a small number of favourite slots that they stick to session after session.

If anything 3Dice's 'less is more' approach ends up as an asset as it's quite possible to have a bash at all the games without ever feeling overwhelmed.

I'm not much of a fan of pokers/blackjack/roulette, but I have played a bit of all of them at 3Dice and not found them lacking. Certainly for pokers there are loads to choose from.

Game quality and design in terms of sound and graphics is a bit variable, with the 'worst' games looking a bit ropey in all honesty, but I love the proper graphics rendering engine they use which is employed to good effect for lighting/3D stuff, and it makes a nice change from the norm.

FAIRNESS & TRANSPARENCY - I suppose this is a subjective one so I can only go with a 'feeling', and my feeling is that 3Dice is straight down the line. The Zeitgeist page is a great idea, and I love the way that they're completely upfront about the variance of all their slots.

Plus Enzo has been forthcoming on the CM forums about many aspects of 3Dice and how they operate, which is good to see.

However, I would like them to display RTPs for individual games rather than for 'groups' of games. 3Dice are ahead of the competition in lots of ways IMO, but the lack of RTPs on a game-by-game basis does let them down a bit. IGT can (mostly....) do it, so I don't see why other casinos can't, especially since 3Dice do everything in-house.

BANKING - Loads of choices for deposits (certainly as a UK player), but a bit more limited on withdrawals. (I couldn't withdraw to the card I deposited with so I had to set myself up a Moneybookers account prior to making a withdrawal.)

Last night I made my first withdrawal request, which was for an amount larger than the sum of what I've deposited in total over the last two weeks.

The cash was in my Moneybookers account within twelve hours

OVERALL - Absolutely my casino of choice now, if you've never given 3Dice a try I'd definitely recommend them.

 

[me_and_ed]

They were great when they opened and have continued to get better and better, they are on the ball and always listening.

 

[Tirilej]

Thanks for that review Chopley

One of the better I have read, and if I wasn't interested in 3Dice before,
you maybe, maybe managed to make me want to see it for myself.
At least I'm one step closer

 

[sattty]

waiting for there rep to get back to me after i pm him a question

may give the casino a decent go..only deposited a few times there so far

everyone seems to rave about the place so would be silly not to

 

[missmichelle]

When I first opened my account, I made my first deposit and didn't go back. I spent a whole year reading here how many people love the place and thought man I have to give it a go again. I was so glad I did, The games really grew on me and I love the video poker. You can't beat their support. I have been playing streadily since then and I love it. Right now I am on the down swing which I know will turn again and I'll be happy.

It is for sure one of my favorite places to play. I am so glad I kept reading about them through here.

Wishing you lots of luck!

Michelle

 

[sattty]

sadly until they offer cashouts straight back to my debit card i wont be depositing anymore there

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Well I've been stung big time by the banks on my withdrawal from 3Dice

I withdrew £302 from the casino as I knew that Moneybookers charged £1.50 to withdraw to a bank account, so I figured I'd end up with £300 in my bank.

Not a bit of it!

I had the following pilfered from my withdrawal:

1) The £1.50p Moneybookers fee.
2) £14 of extra banking fees, I queried this with Moneybookers and they said they had to use their bank in Germany to get the money to me and this may have incurred extra charges (!?!?!?).
3) My bank decided to help themselves to £7.50p for 'CHAPS/INTERNATIONAL', whatever the hell that is.

So from a withdrawal of £302 from the casino I ended up with £279.00p in my bank account

As much as I hate to say it I think I'm going to have to stop playing at 3Dice, as a low roller I simply can't be doing with bank charges totalling £23 on such a small withdrawal.

As soon as they can process withdrawals back to debit/credit cards I'll play there again, but the Moneybookers approach is just no good for me, especially since I get stung not just by Moneybookers but my own bank as well!

To be absolutely clear here I am NOT CRITICISING 3DICE AT ALL, my experience at their casino has been absolutely superb in every regard, but there is no getting away from the sour taste left in my mouth following the rooking that the banks have given me when I came to make a withdrawal.

I have raised this with 3Dice support and asked if there was any way I could withdraw from them that would not incur such high charges, and they were very apologetic and understanding about it, but ultimately the behaviour of the banks is beyond their control.

So for now I'll have to play elsewhere

 

[cpdnd31]

ok you were getting a 5 percent bonus no wr on every deposit? Can I ask how? I've been playing there for years and now I am confused.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

ok you were getting a 5 percent bonus no wr on every deposit? Can I ask how? I've been playing there for years and now I am confused.

I think it might only be if you deposit with a credit/debit VISA/Mastercard.

 

[Jasminebed]

I think it might only be if you deposit with a credit/debit VISA/Mastercard.

I've been getting the bankroll boost on my Visa deposits too. 3Dice is able to pay back to my Visa, I know that is not an option for Mastercard users.

 

[max1mike]

£23 is cheap. I just paid $50 out of a $300 withdrawl. (not at 3dice)

 

[bb28]

You have every right to be frustrated, but seriously......if you were from the US and had to deal with all the hassle that we do, fees to deposit, fees to withdraw. You wouldn't think your fee was so bad.

 

[Tirilej]

£23 is cheap. I just paid $50 out of a $300 withdrawl. (not at 3dice)

I don't know how much the £ is worth comparing to $ but the sum is not that much different I believe

 

[ChopleyIOM]

£23 is cheap. I just paid $50 out of a $300 withdrawl. (not at 3dice)

As a UK player I'm really not used to it though, 'standard practice' for me is depositing with zero fees and withdrawing with zero fees!

It's a crying shame because everything else about 3Dice has been brilliant, but yet when I come to make a withdrawal I get shagged by the banks and Moneybookers.

 

[max1mike]

I don't know how much the £ is worth comparing to $ but the sum is not that much different I believe

you're pretty close. i didn't know either...

50.00 USD = 31.2048 GBP
US Dollar British Pound

 

[ChopleyIOM]

You have every right to be frustrated, but seriously......if you were from the US and had to deal with all the hassle that we do, fees to deposit, fees to withdraw. You wouldn't think your fee was so bad.

I appreciate what you're saying BB but it'd be nice if 3Dice had the kind of withdrawal methods available that those of us in 'legal jurisdictions' are used to.

As someone who's been playing almost exclusively at MG casinos over the years (and more recently Sky Vegas and Jackpot Party), I'm used to just depositing with a card and withdrawing to the same card, with no fees in either direction.

I've been depositing using a card at 3Dice, and I wasn't bothered that I couldn't withdraw to the card when 3Dice support explained the situation to me with their processor. So I registered a Moneybookers account, verified my address with them, and then processed a withdrawal from 3Dice, only to have 8% of it pinched off me by a combination of Moneybookers and my own bank!

The worst of it is that the 3Dice part of the withdrawal was fantastic, they had the cash in my Moneybookers account within 12 hours of me requesting the withdrawal, it then took a combination of Moneybookers and my bank another 48 hours to get it into my bank account - and they'd helped themselves to £23 along the way

 

[sattty]

I appreciate what you're saying BB but it'd be nice if 3Dice had the kind of withdrawal methods available that those of us in 'legal jurisdictions' are used to.

As someone who's been playing almost exclusively at MG casinos over the years (and more recently Sky Vegas and Jackpot Party), I'm used to just depositing with a card and withdrawing to the same card, with no fees in either direction.

I've been depositing using a card at 3Dice, and I wasn't bothered that I couldn't withdraw to the card when 3Dice support explained the situation to me with their processor. So I registered a Moneybookers account, verified my address with them, and then processed a withdrawal from 3Dice, only to have 8% of it pinched off me by a combination of Moneybookers and my own bank!

The worst of it is that the 3Dice part of the withdrawal was fantastic, they had the cash in my Moneybookers account within 12 hours of me requesting the withdrawal, it then took a combination of Moneybookers and my bank another 48 hours to get it into my bank account - and they'd helped themselves to £23 along the way

thats why i wont play there until i can cash out to my debit card....its hard enough winning..without moneybookers and bank taking a slice of it as well

people say its only a small % but all these small % add up over time

 

[cpdnd31]

OK we can look at this as the glass is half full or the glass is half empty. Everything is great about 3dice however your normal free of fees way of withdrawal is unavailable. OK on USA side fees are taken out just so we can gamble. Never knowing if we are actually gonna win. Most of us start with being down 7.00 just to play. At least the money your losing is the money you won. I hope that makes sense. So is it a pain in the butt, yes however if you enjoy the casino you do what you do to play there. Simple science if you look at it from a different perspective.

Now being in another country I can understand you have many options of where to play, and you can choose - USA no choice we are alley dogs all grabbing for that last scrap of meat.

In other countries you can play and if something goes wrong you can complain- USA all we really have is Casinomeister.

In other countries you get your money sometimes within minutes- USA we usually have to wait anywhere from 3 days on - so when we withdraw we wait until its a a decent amount. And pray its not a foreign check(LOL).

In other countries you don't have to worry about your bank acct being froze or closed -


So I ask you my friends once again is your glass half full or half empty..

 

[Tirilej]

OK we can look at this as the glass is half full or the glass is half empty. Everything is great about 3dice however your normal free of fees way of withdrawal is unavailable. OK on USA side fees are taken out just so we can gamble. Never knowing if we are actually gonna win. Most of us start with being down 7.00 just to play. At least the money your losing is the money you won. I hope that makes sense. So is it a pain in the butt, yes however if you enjoy the casino you do what you do to play there. Simple science if you look at it from a different perspective.

Now being in another country I can understand you have many options of where to play, and you can choose - USA no choice we are alley dogs all grabbing for that last scrap of meat.

In other countries you can play and if something goes wrong you can complain- USA all we really have is Casinomeister.

In other countries you get your money sometimes within minutes- USA we usually have to wait anywhere from 3 days on - so when we withdraw we wait until its a a decent amount. And pray its not a foreign check(LOL).

In other countries you don't have to worry about your bank acct being froze or closed -


So I ask you my friends once again is your glass half full or half empty..

It's half full when we are satisfied and half empty when we're not. It's that easy really

Just because we have it easier doesn't mean we have to think about you every time we complain.
I'm so lucky living in a country where it's legal to play, and I so feel for you and all your troubles just to be able to play a little.

If we stop complaining when we think something is wrong, then the casinos maybe think that what they are doing is okey.
We can't let that happen can we?
We have to continue to fight for everyone so you will have just the same when it's legal for you to gamble again.
See it as if we're doing it for you

 

[secret2]

If we stop complaining when we think something is wrong, then the casinos maybe think that what they are doing is okey.
We can't let that happen can we?
We have to continue to fight for everyone so you will have just the same when it's legal for you to gamble again.
See it as if we're doing it for you

Thanks, Tirilej.

I agree! Keep fightin' for us (US)

 

[cpdnd31]

I just want my glass to be full of beer again.........

 

[zeledrith]

Only complaint I have with 3dice is the lack of variety, I'm one of those people who run through 40-50 different games on MG in any one session, occasionally choosing games I haven't played in awhile if I have neglected them too often.

Other then that the customer service is superb and cash outs for me have been amazingly fast.

Just couldn't stand playing the same games over and over again

 

[Jasminebed]

Only complaint I have with 3dice is the lack of variety, I'm one of those people who run through 40-50 different games on MG in any one session, occasionally choosing games I haven't played in awhile if I have neglected them too often.

Other then that the customer service is superb and cash outs for me have been amazingly fast.

Just couldn't stand playing the same games over and over again

Well, I don't complain about my favourite pizza joint not serving chinese food. I'm glad 3Dice is one of my favourite haunts, but I do play other platforms as well.

As a Canadian, foreign exchange fees for US (coming and going, whether it's by prepaid cc or Skrill), fees charged by bank for incoming wires are part of my costs gambling online. I experience them to some degree of other everywhere.

3Dice does have some other UK players. I don't know if maybe NetTeller would be more cost efficicient, or if you used euros instead of pounds.

3Dice does have the safe feature you can use for funds you intend to play there, or build to a more satisfactory withdrawal point where the transaction costs end up being a smaller percentage of your win.

3Dice will wire transfer to your bank for amounts over $500 without charge, you could at least skip the $15 from MB, although I don't know what your bank would charge for an incoming foreign wire. My bank here in Canada is $14, whether it comes from Skrill or directly from a casino.

 

[LHofsdal]

3dice may not be for everyone, but when it comes to reputation and customer service ALOT of places should be taking notes from 3dice. I love the place, lose money, win money it doesn't matter to me. I know I will not win everytime, and to me customer service and reputation goes along way.

Now my hubby isn't to keen on the place, he has tried it a couple of times, and for him it just does not have enough variety for him either. And the last time he played, he lost my pending withdrawal, and had some fun with a few people who were throwing tomatoes at him while he was playing ISS. Although he doesn't really like the games. he does see why I do go back and why I like it there. People are friendly and it is nice way to pass some time, playing and chatting.

I guess it is all up to each persons personal prefrence. I prefer 3dice to all the rest. I just love the people there and love the place. Where else can I find a place to throw tomatoes at people while I gamble LOL

LH

 

[cpdnd31]

LOL I was throwing the tomatoes at him in ISS .... Awesome hubby I must say.

Chocmartini

 

[LHofsdal]

LOL, thank you. You know what is even funnier, that was when my grandmother was here visiting, and he couldn't ask how to throw them back at you. It was to funny, then he says, so "I made myself look like the idiot gambler when I told them to quit it because I didn't know how to throw them back and this lady told me. I was like, well she thinks my wife is married to an idiot" lol.

LH

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Well it's back to Jackpot Party for me this weekend. As much as I loved every aspect of the 3Dice experience, I just can't tolerate the banks helping themselves to so much of my withdrawal.

From a £300 pound withdrawal the 'banking system' effectively took 8% from it. Too much to tolerate when I can deposit and withdraw from Jackpot Party for free.

Hopefully 3Dice will get a different card processor sorted in time.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Well it's a testament to 3Dice that I'm back playing with them this evening.

Got my loyalty bonus email which offered a 100% deposit bonus up to £40 with a 5xB+D WR, couldn't resist as it's such a nice place to play, so made the deposit and got £80 to play with.

Straight onto my favourite slot there 'Payola', stick Vocal Trance on the internet radio channel and enjoy some slotting

I think I'll have 3Dice as my 'fun' place to play and not bother making a withdrawal unless I get a big hit, as the charges are so high (not 3Dice's fault!) - at the end of the day we all know we're going to lose in the long term so may as well play at the places that are enjoyable.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

The situation on withdrawing from 3Dice has got worse! Dunno if it's due to the collapse of the euro against the pound, but it's getting ugly!

Withdrew £224 as I felt that was the 'safety point' to end up with £200 in my bank account.

This went as follows:

1) £224 withdrawn from 3Dice, they had it in my Moneybookers account within 6 hours. (I must note for the record here that 3Dice's conduct is absolutely exemplary and I have NO CRITICISM of them whatsoever.)

2) As soon as I initiate the withdrawal, Moneybookers charge their £1.50, so I get £222 to withdraw.

3) Moneybookers process the withdrawal in Euros and charge 1.99% of the amount to protect themselves from 'currency fluctuations'.

4) Whatever happens to the money between there and my bank (I know it goes via at least one bank in Germany), including it getting converted back into GBP, £198 (!!) actually arrives in my bank account.

5) My bank then charges their standard £7.50 fee for 'INTERNATIONAL/CHAPS'.

6) End result, from a withdrawal of £224 I actually end up with £191 of withdrawable cash in my bank account.

Highway bloody robbery! And in this case it's the casino who's the good guy and the banks who are the scammers!

 

[Nifty29]

The situation on withdrawing from 3Dice has got worse! Dunno if it's due to the collapse of the euro against the pound, but it's getting ugly!

Withdrew £224 as I felt that was the 'safety point' to end up with £200 in my bank account.

This went as follows:

1) £224 withdrawn from 3Dice, they had it in my Moneybookers account within 6 hours. (I must note for the record here that 3Dice's conduct is absolutely exemplary and I have NO CRITICISM of them whatsoever.)

2) As soon as I initiate the withdrawal, Moneybookers charge their £1.50, so I get £222 to withdraw.

3) Moneybookers process the withdrawal in Euros and charge 1.99% of the amount to protect themselves from 'currency fluctuations'.

4) Whatever happens to the money between there and my bank (I know it goes via at least one bank in Germany), including it getting converted back into GBP, £198 (!!) actually arrives in my bank account.

5) My bank then charges their standard £7.50 fee for 'INTERNATIONAL/CHAPS'.

6) End result, from a withdrawal of £224 I actually end up with £191 of withdrawable cash in my bank account.

Highway bloody robbery! And in this case it's the casino who's the good guy and the banks who are the scammers!

It's awful, and it seems far worse than my skrill fees.

My withdrawal fee is always USD$2.43 for my direct bank transfer option. The amount is then converted to AUD and arrives in that exact amount in my bank account in 48 hrs. I do get withdrawal fees and 50% of fx fees refunded at month end as VIP but it doesn't affect the figures at the time.

Maybe it is because yours is a wire transfer rather than a direct transfer? Which begs the question of why they can't do it for UK customers.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Yeah I know it's dreadful, and the thing is that I really like 3Dice.

Their game selection is limited but I love the unique feel that each of their slots has, I love the craziness of Payola with its integrated sound and light show, I love the live chat, I love the community spirit, I love the fact that you get used to seeing the same 3Dice reps in chat all the time and how they actually interact with their players, I love the way they do something genuinely unique when it comes to online casinos, and chuck in internet radio, and try truly new things like the safe and really low WR bonuses etc etc. (I know a lot of folks really like their tournaments too, but personally speaking that's not really my cup of tea.)

They're everything I would want in an online casino, EXCEPT, I'm now in the position where it costs me £32 out of a £224 withdrawal to get my cash back. (i.e. Over 14% of my last withdrawal was lost to Moneybookers and the banks!)

If 3Dice would get a card processor who could withdraw back to my depositing card, I doubt I'd play anywhere else.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Played a fair number of spins through Medieval Moolah last night, grabbed quite a few clips along the way, and utilising the AWESOME POWER of Sony Vegas Move Studio, have spliced them all together into a movie presentation of stunning quality.*

3Dice certainly remains my favourite casino.


* Not really that stunning.

 

[dunover]

LOL nice commentary on the tedium of low-variance slot playing.....

 

[Nifty29]

LOL nice commentary on the tedium of low-variance slot playing.....

Well, except for the fact the medieval moolah is high variance.

 

[dunover]

I am merely judging by the video itself, which taken over a few hours and condensed shows the balance consistently between 150-240 and not moving out of that range plus the poster of the video never mentioned depositing more. Maybe the maker of the video could enlighten us. I'll meet u in the middle here, let's say it's a HV slot going through a long LV period of play.....

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I'd say it's high variance by 3Dice's standards, I generally find that their descriptions fit with my understanding as follows:

3Dice say Low = Ultra Low
3Dice say Medium = Low
3Dice say High = Medium
3Dice say Very High = Medium/High

This is only for the video slots though, the traditional reel-based slots are a different proposition, and whilst 3Dice use the same categories, the variances match up exactly with what I would consider to be correct.

Penta Pay in particular, which 3Dice flag as 'Very High' is indeed a very high variance slot, to the extent that I won't actually play it with real money as it's too dangerous for my gentle disposition!

From the collection of clips I used for the video above, I did indeed just play the one slot for the entire session, and I didn't withdraw anything or re-deposit, but remember I was playing at a very low stake (just 30p) so even a Medium variance slot is most likely going to maintain a reasonable semblance of its 95% RTP over a few thousand spins, which is the sample size I drew those videos from - and the fluctuation from low point to high point was nearly £100 which is 333x stake so not trivial.

 

[Nifty29]

I'd say it's high variance by 3Dice's standards, I generally find that their descriptions fit with my understanding as follows:

3Dice say Low = Ultra Low
3Dice say Medium = Low
3Dice say High = Medium
3Dice say Very High = Medium/High

This is only for the video slots though, the traditional reel-based slots are a different proposition, and whilst 3Dice use the same categories, the variances match up exactly with what I would consider to be correct.

Penta Pay in particular, which 3Dice flag as 'Very High' is indeed a very high variance slot, to the extent that I won't actually play it with real money as it's too dangerous for my gentle disposition!

From the collection of clips I used for the video above, I did indeed just play the one slot for the entire session, and I didn't withdraw anything or re-deposit, but remember I was playing at a very low stake (just 30p) so even a Medium variance slot is most likely going to maintain a reasonable semblance of its 95% RTP over a few thousand spins, which is the sample size I drew those videos from - and the fluctuation from low point to high point was nearly £100 which is 333x stake so not trivial.

Interesting.

The general consensus here has always been the opposite I.e. 3dice LV is MV elsewhere. In fact, I think Enzo said something to that effect a while back.

On what do you base your assessment?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

On what do you base your assessment?

Just the overall feeling I've got from my play there, (which must run to tens (hundreds?) of thousands of spins now), as compared to other casinos - but then again when it comes to variance it's all subjective to an extent since the vast majority of casinos give no indication at all as to the variance of their slots, so I'd be interested to see how Enzo rates the 3Dice slots variance against other software providers.

A couple of the slots that they flag as 'VERY HIGH' variance, Super Suits and Tutankhamon, seem pretty tame when compared to the likes of Bruce Lee at Jackpot Party. (I'd consider Bruce Lee to be a true high variance video slot, having multiple instances of 3000x to 3500x stake wins on the paytable.)

I feel pretty comfortable taking on either Super Suits or Tutankhamon with a £100 bankroll at 30p/25p (respectively) per spin, to really give myself a decent chance of hitting a big bonus round on Bruce Lee at 30p per spin, I'd want more in the order of £300-£400 behind me.

Looking at 3Dice's own Zeitgeist page, the single biggest win ever achieved on Super Suits is 1902x stake, and that was over a year ago, the next win down from that is 1093x stake and that was 18 months ago, that doesn't sound like a very high variance slot to me.

This isn't a criticism of 3Dice by the way, I really like their payout model, as generally speaking if you lump a good few hundred spins through a slot at 3Dice you'll almost always get a good representation of RTP, and since the 'mega wins' on the likes of BDBA and IR are so rare as to be almost theoretical, it's a question of does the player prefer the remote chance of getting a mega-hit, or a far better chance of getting decent playtime with a larger number of smaller hits?

I suppose we need to establish a baseline really, what is a 'HIGH VARIANCE' slot? What is a 'LOW VARIANCE' slot? We need to be sure we're comparing apples to apples.

 

[ShayDrew]

@Chopley - Love the vid - great job. I particularly like your summary of Medievil Moolah when it keeps going to a crap cannon many times in a row "You fiery little ball of sh*t!" Hahaha love your work!

And would love to see some more.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

@Chopley - Love the vid - great job. I particularly like your summary of Medievil Moolah when it keeps going to a crap cannon many times in a row "You fiery little ball of sh*t!" Hahaha love your work!

And would love to see some more.

Thanks for the comment

I did Ching Ching last night, just need to get it all edited together, render it, and upload it to my channel - won't be until later on this evening though as off out with the family now.

There are loads of videos on my channel of both online slots and UK AWPs, although Medieval Moolah is the first 'edited video' I've done, everything prior to that is just as uploaded from my phone.

Old / Expired Link

 

[Nifty29]

Just the overall feeling I've got from my play there, (which must run to tens (hundreds?) of thousands of spins now), as compared to other casinos - but then again when it comes to variance it's all subjective to an extent since the vast majority of casinos give no indication at all as to the variance of their slots, so I'd be interested to see how Enzo rates the 3Dice slots variance against other software providers.

A couple of the slots that they flag as 'VERY HIGH' variance, Super Suits and Tutankhamon, seem pretty tame when compared to the likes of Bruce Lee at Jackpot Party. (I'd consider Bruce Lee to be a true high variance video slot, having multiple instances of 3000x to 3500x stake wins on the paytable.)

I feel pretty comfortable taking on either Super Suits or Tutankhamon with a £100 bankroll at 30p/25p (respectively) per spin, to really give myself a decent chance of hitting a big bonus round on Bruce Lee at 30p per spin, I'd want more in the order of £300-£400 behind me.

Looking at 3Dice's own Zeitgeist page, the single biggest win ever achieved on Super Suits is 1902x stake, and that was over a year ago, the next win down from that is 1093x stake and that was 18 months ago, that doesn't sound like a very high variance slot to me.

This isn't a criticism of 3Dice by the way, I really like their payout model, as generally speaking if you lump a good few hundred spins through a slot at 3Dice you'll almost always get a good representation of RTP, and since the 'mega wins' on the likes of BDBA and IR are so rare as to be almost theoretical, it's a question of does the player prefer the remote chance of getting a mega-hit, or a far better chance of getting decent playtime with a larger number of smaller hits?

I suppose we need to establish a baseline really, what is a 'HIGH VARIANCE' slot? What is a 'LOW VARIANCE' slot? We need to be sure we're comparing apples to apples.

I figured it was a "feeling" and not based on any figures.

You use the example of the relatively low highest payouts on Super Suits, but fail to mention that the minimum you will normally win is 30xbet (and that is doing badly). Most times you will get 50xbet or more, and this is quite a phenomenon for free spins.....and the free spins are not easy to get.

BDBA and Real Steal are ridiculously high variance. I wouldn't use them for comparison purposes at all, as there are very few slots like them. If this is your idea of high or very high, then I can understand your theory that the slots at 3Dice are medium.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I figured it was a "feeling" and not based on any figures.

You use the example of the relatively low highest payouts on Super Suits, but fail to mention that the minimum you will normally win is 30xbet (and that is doing badly). Most times you will get 50xbet or more, and this is quite a phenomenon for free spins.....and the free spins are not easy to get.

BDBA and Real Steal are ridiculously high variance. I wouldn't use them for comparison purposes at all, as there are very few slots like them. If this is your idea of high or very high, then I can understand your theory that the slots at 3Dice are medium.

Well then you're into the problem with using simple terms to describe variance, 3Dice aren't going to flag up any of their slots as 'RIDICULOUSLY HIGH VARIANCE' and neither would anyone else, so yes I would categorise BDBA as 'VERY HIGH VARIANCE', in which case something like Super Suits clearly can't be 'VERY HIGH VARIANCE' as well!

I completely agree that Super Suits has an excellent bonus round that almost always pays a decent amount, and yes it can be pretty hard to hit, but that doesn't make it a very high variance slot - certainly not on my scale.

Don't get me wrong here, I really salute 3Dice for having a crack at defining the variance of all their slots and giving their players that extra information, but I am comparing their slots against slots elsewhere, and that includes the likes of BDBA and Bruce Lee, so there's no way on earth I'm going to think of a slot like Super Suits as being very high variance

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Ching Ching session now up, I was playing into the small hours of the morning for this one

 

[nisosbar]

Ching Ching session now up, I was playing into the small hours of the morning for this one



FYI, the symbol that doesn't pay when you choose it (of the three scatters), that is a Chinese restaurant fortune cookie. Which, for the factoid of the day, was actually invented in San Francisco!!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

FYI, the symbol that doesn't pay when you choose it (of the three scatters), that is a Chinese restaurant fortune cookie. Which, for the factoid of the day, was actually invented in San Francisco!!

Yeah someone pointed that out in a comment on the video on YouTube as well.

I still think it looks like a boxing glove though

 

[smcinoz]

bit more of a slap in the face like a boxing glove could give you compared to a cookie

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Argh why did I dither so long with getting my Neteller account reactivated?

I did get around to getting it reactivated a couple of weeks ago, (had to do a security call), once that was sorted I applied for the NET+ Mastercard, which arrived last week and the PIN turned up a couple of days later.

Made a withdrawal from 3Dice last night at about 2am, good old 3Dice had it in my Neteller account by the time I got up this morning*, and now I can just pootle over to an ATM and withdraw the cash!

There's a £3 fee for each ATM transaction which is absolute bloody buttons compared to what it was costing me to get withdrawals through Moneybookers to my bank account (Moneybookers fees, currency conversion fees, and my bank's charges).

Neteller all the way from now on!

* Other casinos take note! I requested this withdrawal in the small hours of Sunday morning, and 3Dice had it processed and in my Neteller account by the time I was drinking my morning cup of tea!

 

[rockycatt]

Ching Ching session now up, I was playing into the small hours of the morning for this one



choply id like to share this one here i thought it was going to half me because of the win size but it smiled on me

 

[ChopleyIOM]

choply id like to share this one here i thought it was going to half me because of the win size but it smiled on me

Oooohhh that's a nice one, what stake were you playing at?

The only time I ever got a decent win on the free spins round (£120 from a 50p stake), the bloody thing halved it!

 

[nisosbar]

Oooohhh that's a nice one, what stake were you playing at?

The only time I ever got a decent win on the free spins round (£120 from a 50p stake), the bloody thing halved it!

You can see his stake size looking at the bottom - 25x5, 25 lines at 5 coins/cents each ($1.25).

Keep in mind that the bet size for the bonus round varies depending upon what bet size you used when collecting each piece - that is, say there were only two pieces necessary (I know there's seven, but for the sake of simplicity). If you collected your first piece when you were betting $5.00 per spin, and the second piece was collected @ $1.00 per spin, your free spins would be executed @ $3.00 per spin.

Unless the bonus spins bet size is calculated on total money fed since the last bonus spins round. But I think it's calculated on the basis only of the bet size played for the single spin spun in collecting each piece, averaged among 7. I'd contact support about that for clarification.