What changes happen to a "nerfed" slot?

[2Slots]

I've seen a lot of comments and had some replies about slots being "nerfed" and was wondering what actually changes in a slot to make people feel that?

I mostly play DoA/DoA2 so would be interested to know what actually changed in them as I think they're the best slots but only played for a year.

Part of me feels like if DoA, which is well over 10 years old, and DoA2 played even better in the past then maybe the companies had to change them because maybe no-one would play newer slots. I don't

I've also seen comments for Bullets and Bounty on here that say it's been "nerfed" but that was only released in August!

So what changes make slots "nerfed" in your opinion? I'm interested to know for any slots you experienced players say are "nerfed".

 

[dunover]

I've seen a lot of comments and had some replies about slots being "nerfed" and was wondering what actually changes in a slot to make people feel that?

I mostly play DoA/DoA2 so would be interested to know what actually changed in them as I think they're the best slots but only played for a year.

Part of me feels like if DoA, which is well over 10 years old, and DoA2 played even better in the past then maybe the companies had to change them because maybe no-one would play newer slots. I don't

I've also seen comments for Bullets and Bounty on here that say it's been "nerfed" but that was only released in August!

So what changes make slots "nerfed" in your opinion? I'm interested to know for any slots you experienced players say are "nerfed".

I could do a bot reply to this but I won't.

'Nerfed' is a term which tends to be based on 90% myth and 10% provable fact. So 'opinion' is the operative word here.

True 'nerfs' can be:

*Reduced RTP models (the main provable justification for nerfed games).
*Graphics or server changes where the game remains the same but with a deterioration of the player interface, graphics rendering etc. (occurred much when games moved to html5).
*Removal of autoplay and changes to stake increments.
*A version update (say 1:1:07 to 1:2:09 or something) that players notice in the game info. This can be innocent, simply a graphics or RTP alternative, but can apply to game glitches, tweaking maths to retain the same gameplay but maybe altering the feature result 'ball pool' to make it more or less volatile but still retaining the frequency and RTP proportion. Unusual though.

Alleged 'nerfs' are usually:

*A player tries a new slot, gets lucky or has a good run. As expected, when the game balances out and performs more typically for them, then naturally "It's been rigged/nerfed/doctored and doesn't play like it used to...." Expectation bias.
*False assocation - take Rhino when autoplay was removed so the 'greyed out auto button' indicator disappeared. People swore it was harder to get the feature....
*Somebody gets a huge win on a game, so people say "It's not going to pay out for ages to me now..." which is irrelevant and completely false for a RNG game. So they think YOUR big win nerfs THEIR game.
*With the recent RTP reductions across many sites, if players get a bad run, they think the RTP has been nerfed without telling them, so the game's stated RTP figure is bent.
*A graphics or interface change is exactly that - when it coincides with a bad session or two, the player swears "It's been nerfed since they changed the background/music or whatever."
*People automatically assuming that a game version code changing 1:1:234 means the feature frequency has been reduced or the feature average pay is surreptitiously nerfed.

 

[DreamRJ]

I am sorry but who even is this 2Slots guy? a new member who is coming making thread after thread with random weird questions?

Surely a bot? I have not even bothered reading the posts he makes anymore they all seem very sus to me and his real motives.

Maybe a data gathering exercise and he is doing research perhaps? or a casino insider? an affiliate owner? No idea but just sus to me.

Sorry just speaking my mind.

 

[dunover]

I am sorry but who even is this 2Slots guy? a new member who is coming making thread after thread with random weird questions?

Surely a bot? I have not even bothered reading the posts he makes anymore they all seem very sus to me and his real motives.

Maybe a data gathering exercise and he is doing research perhaps? or a casino insider? an affiliate owner? No idea but just sus to me.

Sorry just speaking my mind.

This question has been asked by a few people, benefit of the doubt for now. There is a bell ringing here and I cannot quite locate from where lol...

 

[DreamRJ]

This question has been asked by a few people, benefit of the doubt for now. There is a bell ringing here and I cannot quite locate from where lol...

Good at least I am not alone then haha

I mean i know Conker and Web do some threads asking questions like this new guy has been doing. It just seems strange when he is not staff making these question threads lol

 

[2Slots]

I could do a bot reply to this but I won't.

'Nerfed' is a term which tends to be based on 90% myth and 10% provable fact. So 'opinion' is the operative word here.

True 'nerfs' can be:

*Reduced RTP models (the main provable justification for nerfed games).
*Graphics or server changes where the game remains the same but with a deterioration of the player interface, graphics rendering etc. (occurred much when games moved to html5).
*Removal of autoplay and changes to stake increments.
*A version update (say 1:1:07 to 1:2:09 or something) that players notice in the game info. This can be innocent, simply a graphics or RTP alternative, but can apply to game glitches, tweaking maths to retain the same gameplay but maybe altering the feature result 'ball pool' to make it more or less volatile but still retaining the frequency and RTP proportion. Unusual though.

Alleged 'nerfs' are usually:

*A player tries a new slot, gets lucky or has a good run. As expected, when the game balances out and performs more typically for them, then naturally "It's been rigged/nerfed/doctored and doesn't play like it used to...." Expectation bias.
*False assocation - take Rhino when autoplay was removed so the 'greyed out auto button' indicator disappeared. People swore it was harder to get the feature....
*Somebody gets a huge win on a game, so people say "It's not going to pay out for ages to me now..." which is irrelevant and completely false for a RNG game. So they think YOUR big win nerfs THEIR game.
*With the recent RTP reductions across many sites, if players get a bad run, they think the RTP has been nerfed without telling them, so the game's stated RTP figure is bent.
*A graphics or interface change is exactly that - when it coincides with a bad session or two, the player swears "It's been nerfed since they changed the background/music or whatever."
*People automatically assuming that a game version code changing 1:1:234 means the feature frequency has been reduced or the feature average pay is surreptitiously nerfed.

Thanks for the in-depth reply. I assumed the RTP model change might be the main one but you added quite a lot that never occured to me, like graphic/verions changes.

I did think it might be a more conspiracy type thing or even players being bored/disillusioned with a slot and thinking it must be the game not them.

 

[2Slots]

I am sorry but who even is this 2Slots guy? a new member who is coming making thread after thread with random weird questions?

Surely a bot? I have not even bothered reading the posts he makes anymore they all seem very sus to me and his real motives.

Maybe a data gathering exercise and he is doing research perhaps? or a casino insider? an affiliate owner? No idea but just sus to me.

Sorry just speaking my mind.

I had a feeling some users would feel like you about these threads. Forums are funny places eh.

Sometimes new users making new threads are just that! If they're weird or annoying for you best to just ignore them, personally I don't think it's that serious tbh. If no-ones interested they'll just sink away.

You can see my introduce thread if you like.

The threads I'm starting are some of the things I thought about last year but was busy playing slots in my spare time. I'm not playing as much now so joined here recently. I find there's a lot of interesting things about slots so I thought to start new threads rather than derail other ones.

This one I asked to maybe get a few opinions on something that's been replied to me and I've seen mentioned loads but only one reply to me stated how they felt DoA was nerfed.

I had some more tbh. Was planning to start them as I remembered them while reading here. If it's a problem maybe the staff should put up a notice saying only join to moan about bonanza or if you have a problem, also to post screenshots

@dunover you don't need to reply to the other thread I get why you asked about game dev.

 

[M!ke]

So what changes make slots "nerfed" in your opinion? I'm interested to know for any slots you experienced players say are "nerfed".

In short, it's probably because they have experienced consecutive bad sessions where a game's variance shredded their balance quickly.

 

[2Slots]

Good at least I am not alone then haha

I mean i know Conker and Web do some threads asking questions like this new guy has been doing. It just seems strange when he is not staff making these question threads lol

The staff might do it because no one else is and the place looks dead if they don't. It is a discussion forum after all. They could be very happy with my weird and annoying threads

 

[2Slots]

This question has been asked by a few people, benefit of the doubt for now. There is a bell ringing here and I cannot quite locate from where lol...

I just saw your staff member tag! My post above must be wrong then

Starting the bonus round one found me a new game I would never have known about.

 

[dunover]

I just saw your staff member tag! My post above must be wrong then

Starting the bonus round one found me a new game I would never have known about.

Alas there is context for the questions. The real people on these forums, and the staff, are very aware of the amount of AI slop which may appear, which is why there is the 'bot' report emoji underneath each post if members suspect AI slop.

It would be preferable to have less forum activity of which 100% is genuine people posting, than more if it means a percentage is obviously LLM or GPT guff. It's thin, pointless content and serves no purpose.

There are videos on YT now with not only AI construction/clip selection, but AI narration and a backlash is already occurring from genuine content providers to the point YT is going to get smarter in allowing people to see before they view that it's likely bot content, so they can move on to something real. Hopefully they will demonetize all bot slop videos which overnight will solve 95% of the crap appearing.

It's already recognized on google that people search 'no AI content' in whichever category they want results in, so will presumably offer a choice in the coming months. Hopefully they will even develop a new algorithm in SEO that lowers rankings of AI slop.

We'll probably end up with parallel internets - one with real content, searched for by real people with real emotions and unimpeded mental faculties and decision making, and one used by the unimaginative, lazy and gullible who can then immerse themselves in their new world of synthetic, soulless crystallized crap.

Anyway, I'm looking through my list of thread start topics right now.

Cannot decide between;
"What is your favourite slot start button colour: green, blue, red or other?"
"Which Thor character looks most manly - the one on Thunderstruck or Thunderstruck II?"
"What is your luckiest day of the week for slot play?"

 

[2Slots]

Alas there is context for the questions. The real people on these forums, and the staff, are very aware of the amount of AI slop which may appear, which is why there is the 'bot' report emoji underneath each post if members suspect AI slop.

It would be preferable to have less forum activity of which 100% is genuine people posting, than more if it means a percentage is obviously LLM or GPT guff. It's thin, pointless content and serves no purpose.

There are videos on YT now with not only AI construction/clip selection, but AI narration and a backlash is already occurring from genuine content providers to the point YT is going to get smarter in allowing people to see before they view that it's likely bot content, so they can move on to something real. Hopefully they will demonetize all bot slop videos which overnight will solve 95% of the crap appearing.

It's already recognized on google that people search 'no AI content' in whichever category they want results in, so will presumably offer a choice in the coming months. Hopefully they will even develop a new algorithm in SEO that lowers rankings of AI slop.

We'll probably end up with parallel internets - one with real content, searched for by real people with real emotions and unimpeded mental faculties and decision making, and one used by the unimaginative, lazy and gullible who can then immerse themselves in their new world of synthetic, soulless crystallized crap.

Anyway, I'm looking through my list of thread start topics right now.

Cannot decide between;
"What is your favourite slot start button colour: green, blue, red or other?"
"Which Thor character looks most manly - the one on Thunderstruck or Thunderstruck II?"
"What is your luckiest day of the week for slot play?"

Its going to be interesting in the future for sure. Don't know how much it will affect me, i don't use social media and don't tend to view much AI content on youtube.

Netflix is doing the same for dubbing. I'll watch foreign stuff in the native language with subs but the one time it happened to play something with the english dubbing on the cadence was so off and robotic I searched google and there's a lot of info there about them now using AI dubbing.

Not sure about the last part you posted. Is that to do with me or am I missing something?

Anyway I think this thread has derailed and died. You must have covered most of the points in your first reply anyway. Thanks.