Withdrawal problems after using a friend's debit card

[o0d122y]

A friend of mine is having trouble processing a withdrawal with rizk after using a friend's debit card to make a deposit (I warned him about this)

My question is, what's the best way of going about this?.. what does my friend's friend have to do to prove that he let my other friend use his debit card to make a deposit? Is there an easy way? Will he ever eventually get his money?

The withdrawal is upwards of $7,000 so it's not something we're going to forget about anytime soon.

 

[MaltesePlayer]

Chances are that if the Withdrawal is more than deposits, your buddy just played himself. WD confiscated, deposit returned to original card. Account closed perma. The End.

Worst case scenario, funds confiscated and deposit held.

 

[eizei]

Using a deposit method with someone else's name is probably never going to be accepted. I doubt there is anything you can do.

 

[interlog]

Your friend is in a very sticky situation. Using somebodies elses card is a big no no.

I can't foresee this working out favourable.

 

[dunover]

A friend of mine is having trouble processing a withdrawal with rizk after using a friend's debit card to make a deposit (I warned him about this)

My question is, what's the best way of going about this?.. what does my friend's friend have to do to prove that he let my other friend use his debit card to make a deposit? Is there an easy way? Will he ever eventually get his money?

The withdrawal is upwards of $7,000 so it's not something we're going to forget about anytime soon.

It breaks about every term going. Forget the winnings, expect stakes voided and deposit refund at best.

There can be absolutely no circumstance in which they'll pay you - how do they know it wasn't the debit card holder's way of getting round exclusion?

 

[Geremino]

I am not up to date on the minutiae of the MGA licence these days, but it used to be that the owner of the deposit method could sign a form declaring that the person had permission to deposit the monies.

However, if Rizk, a reputable casino with a good standing, have denied the withdrawal on that basis, then the status of the case is not "troubled" but "Denied, case closed"

 

[Slottery]

I could guess that they might pay out winnings (99% sure not but deposit and void all bets) IF:
- Full KYC for both, accounts owner and card holder will be approved.
- There are no deposit bonuses attached to that deposit made 3rd party card.
- There are no much matches in ip-addresses and game play patterns.

If be casino in this scenario, would probably return deposit and confiscate winnings together with permanent account closure. Still don't understand why people are doing this, if you play online more than one or two times, you quite sure know that this is big NONO and unfortunately too many times used to abuse casino rules (especially if there is bonus taken it should always be bye bye money...) and it can be quite easily be seen from account histories, game play, deposit and other patterns.

If you warned your friend about this, why in earth he/she did it if know that winnings probably not gonna be paid if winning something? I would tell to your friend that this was prize for learn lesson to listen warnings from person who know better and read terms and conditions.

These unfortunately most of cases are tries to abuse casinos by using multiple bonuses, collusion etc.... We don't have full story here but if your "friend" think that there is place to stand against casinos decision, Rizk have good relationship to this forum and PAB can always be filled (please tell your friend to read rules), but Rizk is one of the casinos who don't try to find all the excuses not to pay so small amount if there is nothing dodgy behind.

 

[Lincolnuk]

How many times. Read the t&C i cant think of one casino where you can do that

 

[colinsunderland]

I could guess that they might pay out winnings (99% sure not but deposit and void all bets) IF:
- Full KYC for both, accounts owner and card holder will be approved.
- There are no deposit bonuses attached to that deposit made 3rd party card.
- There are no much matches in ip-addresses and game play patterns.

If be casino in this scenario, would probably return deposit and confiscate winnings together with permanent account closure. Still don't understand why people are doing this, if you play online more than one or two times, you quite sure know that this is big NONO and unfortunately too many times used to abuse casino rules (especially if there is bonus taken it should always be bye bye money...) and it can be quite easily be seen from account histories, game play, deposit and other patterns.

If you warned your friend about this, why in earth he/she did it if know that winnings probably not gonna be paid if winning something? I would tell to your friend that this was prize for learn lesson to listen warnings from person who know better and read terms and conditions.

These unfortunately most of cases are tries to abuse casinos by using multiple bonuses, collusion etc.... We don't have full story here but if your "friend" think that there is place to stand against casinos decision, Rizk have good relationship to this forum and PAB can always be filled (please tell your friend to read rules), but Rizk is one of the casinos who don't try to find all the excuses not to pay so small amount if there is nothing dodgy behind.

there is also money laundering concerns in situations like this. I would be amazed if any casino would pay out, their terms cover them fully and see no reason why they would want to spend hours trying to get round it for an account that is extremely likely to end up closed at the end of it.

 

[anddi32]

I could guess that they might pay out winnings (99% sure not but deposit and void all bets) IF:
- Full KYC for both, accounts owner and card holder will be approved.
- There are no deposit bonuses attached to that deposit made 3rd party card.
- There are no much matches in ip-addresses and game play patterns.

Yes if they are nice. But if they don't they can void everything because player has violated so many terms.
Sorry OP (or your friend) but using someone else's credit card to make deposits is most stupid what player can do. And if you are new in business it's still unforgivable.
It should be clear at the start that you use just your own deposit methods.

 

[Harry_BKK]

@Sebastian - Rizk

He might be able to help. I alerted him to this thread.

 

[Steviedoo]

“Friend”

 

[Scott1baird]

I use my wife's bank card on one or two sites no probs

 

[goatwack]

A friend of mine has recently got a rash 'down there', any help for my friend would be most appreciated

 

[Scott1baird]

A friend of mine has recently got a rash 'down there', any help for my friend would be most appreciated

Cream. Sometimes I use my wife's cream no probs after that.

 

[Sebastian - Rizk]

Hello @o0d122y,

I am sorry to hear about your friend's situation, but like it has been stated in this thread, the case does not generally speaking look too promising for him. The reason for this is that it's quite a severe breach of the terms & conditions. I would advise your friend to be in touch with our customer support team and they will do their best to look into the case and answer any questions he may have.

 

[Slottery]

That's kind of no brainer really, as OP stated he warned friend and one still doing it (please, if he/she is your friend, try to make he/she to understand what better knowing persons are telling), then there is no any reason for casino to pay any winnings. Getting deposit back and void bets would be really goodwill gesture. For sure Rizk is not need of this kind of amount and they wouldn't make any harm to person not breaking terms and conditions as clear as this is (what all should know).

Don't really matter how much is that you not gonna forget it soon, it don't change facts. Try to abuse/fraud, get caught and you don't really need to see your "winnings" to get paid.

 

[mcgameboy]

“Friend”

Or even "friend of friend".

Is this a case of an OP being the friend or being the friend of the friend...or neither?

Whichever one it is, I am not liking their chances of getting paid here. Best case scenario for them is that they get their deposit back.
They can wave the 7K goodbye.

 

[Gaz237]

A friend of mine is having trouble processing a withdrawal with rizk after using a friend's debit card to make a deposit (I warned him about this)

My question is, what's the best way of going about this?.. what does my friend's friend have to do to prove that he let my other friend use his debit card to make a deposit? Is there an easy way? Will he ever eventually get his money?

The withdrawal is upwards of $7,000 so it's not something we're going to forget about anytime soon.

I bet you/they wont. Be kicking themselves forever.

As said. you might get that deposit returned if your lucky, but not a chance in hell of collecting any winnings, in reality you have no winnings to collect, as they came from a rogue deposit.

 

[Borgie]

Friends . Who'd have em.


Erm friends on here lol anyone wanna lend me their gambling budget? It's safe with me honest. You can be the Thelma to my Louise. Over that cliff

 

[Tirilej]

Friends . Who'd have em.


Erm friends on here lol anyone wanna lend me their gambling budget? It's safe with me honest. You can be the Thelma to my Louise. Over that cliff

You can get some of mine

The fun will come for these guys when they have to get verified to even get the deposit back. I wish them the best of luck with that

 

[o0d122y]

lol u b*$t@rd$ I'm genuinely asking on behalf of a friend, the only time I've ever won over a grand online I've put it all back into the slots

I just found out the money won wasn't won from the deposit he used weeks ago using a friend's card, it was won from a paysafe deposit, would this make any difference?

 

[Harry_BKK]

lol u b*$t@rd$ I'm genuinely asking on behalf of a friend, the only time I've ever won over a grand online I've put it all back into the slots

I just found out the money won wasn't won from the deposit he used weeks ago using a friend's card, it was won from a paysafe deposit, would this make any difference?

PM @Sebastian - Rizk ..... we don't know how strict Rizk will be.

 

[dionysus]

PM @Sebastian - Rizk ..... we don't know how strict Rizk will be.

Rizk wouldnt be able to discuss an acct or case belonging to someone else regardless
his friend would need to

 

[anddi32]

Or even "friend of friend".

Is this a case of an OP being the friend or being the friend of the friend...or neither?

Yes this is mystery where we will not get the solution ever

 

[mina1929]

I would never dare use someone else's debit card or any other payment method.

I wish if people would read T&C's it clearly states the rules and I know its long and boring but will save you.

It is so sad that so many people win huge amounts, get their hopes up and then find out they are not getting their winnings because they broke the rules, sometimes knowingly and unknowingly

 

[sufferinsilence]

The thought of depositing with any other bank account or e-wallet that's not mine has never crossed my mind. I wonder why people think this is a smart thing to do...

And if you think about doing it, why not contact support first? They could tell you they'll never process a withdrawal or do a KYC on both the registered user and the owner of the card.

It would probably also help if casino's didn't accept payments from other bank accounts or e-wallets that don't have your name registered to it, that must be possible in this day and age right? In the event of a deposit with a prepaid credit card or a Paysafecard they could ask you to upload a picture of it when depositing. I've had it happen at a local, very small, bookie site that I had to upload a picture of my prepaid credit card when depositing so I'm sure it's possible to implement even for small time casino's.

 

[mina1929]

The thought of depositing with any other bank account or e-wallet that's not mine has never crossed my mind. I wonder why people think this is a smart thing to do...

And if you think about doing it, why not contact support first? They could tell you they'll never process a withdrawal or do a KYC on both the registered user and the owner of the card.

It would probably also help if casino's didn't accept payments from other bank accounts or e-wallets that don't have your name registered to it, that must be possible in this day and age right? In the event of a deposit with a prepaid credit card or a Paysafecard they could ask you to upload a picture of it when depositing. I've had it happen at a local, very small, bookie site that I had to upload a picture of my prepaid credit card when depositing so I'm sure it's possible to implement even for small time casino's.

I think he was trying his luck to see if he gets away with it. Maybe

 

[Harry_BKK]

Rizk wouldnt be able to discuss an acct or case belonging to someone else regardless
his friend would need to

I was referring to the new info that the deposit that led to the win came from a Paysafe Card and not from his "friends" card.

And why would Rizk not discuss the issue? There are cases where casinos allow to use the spouses card if they have a joint account. I know cases, where the "friend" signed a form that he approved the usage of the card and the player got paid.

So it is not really out-of-this-world that this player might get paid too.

 

[o0d122y]

I always read the terms and conditions, I told my mate time n time again not to use anyone else's card and advised him to get get verified as soon as joining, but did he listen? Noooo, he's already spending the money he hasn't got in his head lolol "never count your chickens before they hatch" is what I was taught.

I've seen an account closed and deposits refunded for this very reason so you'd think he'd listen to me but of course I'm just a stupid low better who has no say at the max betters table

 

[dionysus]

I was referring to the new info that the deposit that led to the win came from a Paysafe Card and not from his "friends" card.

And why would Rizk not discuss the issue? There are cases where casinos allow to use the spouses card if they have a joint account. I know cases, where the "friend" signed a form that he approved the usage of the card and the player got paid.

So it is not really out-of-this-world that this player might get paid too.

probably because whether paysafe card or friends card he's still discussing, according to him, someone's else's acct
and well, frankly the rep ASKKED for his friend to reach out

 

[Harry_BKK]

I always read the terms and conditions, I told my mate time n time again not to use anyone else's card and advised him to get get verified as soon as joining, but did he listen? Noooo, he's already spending the money he hasn't got in his head lolol "never count your chickens before they hatch" is what I was taught.

I've seen an account closed and deposits refunded for this very reason so you'd think he'd listen to me but of course I'm just a stupid low better who has no say at the max betters table

I would tend to see your friend not getting paid, just as a "lesson to be learned", but the amount is huge, so I do hope he get's his dosh.

I suggest you keep your discussions with Rizk via PMs as that will improve your chances to get to an amicable solution. A public thread can lead quickly to bashing or similar which could undermine your case.

 

[Harry_BKK]

probably because whether paysafe card or friends card he's still discussing, according to him, someone's else's acct
and well, frankly the rep ASKKED for his friend to reach out

For more clarity, I should have added "ask your friend (acct holder) to contact the Rizk rep". Of course they won't discuss nilly willy with everyone making a post, I thought people would understand that much.

 

[dionysus]

For more clarity, I should have added "ask your friend (acct holder) to contact the Rizk rep". Of course they won't discuss nilly willy with everyone making a post, I thought people would understand that much.

I'd think the fact this thread, among others, shows how little some people actually understand and why they come here and post and ask Qs

 

[robby811]

I need someones card details for my next deposits please ?!? anybody No

 

[dionysus]

I need someones card details for my next deposits please ?!? anybody No

totally legit - have a blast

 

[robby811]

totally legit - have a blast

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Cheers Mr G Raymond

 

[TheresNoDInBonanza]

totally legit - have a blast

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Holy crap it worked!
And I got a full screen of explorers on BoD!
My luck's finally changed!

 

[Slottery]

Sorry OP (or your friend) but using someone else's credit card to make deposits is most stupid what player can do.

After buying special features from extra chili

edit: If payment methods used are 3rd party card and Paysafe (anonymous payment supplier) it really look bit dodgy, so probably easiest is like posted as OP in first, not forget lesson learnt when these winnings getting confiscated. Casino of this size don't really have need to confiscate winnings if there are no reason to that and assume, here they have.

Advise your friend to contact Rizk, make PAB or something and feel free to post result to this topic with all the details if your friend feel to share them with you (and not post anything before PAB has completed as per rules).