Another 3Dice rant.

[skiny]

One thing that burns my ass when I'm playing slot games is waiting forever for free spins and then the spins hit nothing. I know it happens from time to time but when you're playing multiline slot games the only way to really win is to get these free spins and then hit something when you get them.

To me it really makes no difference if I made a half decent withdrawal once or twice in the last few months. I'd still like to see bonus features that normally pay something not normally crap out.

I don't want to turn this into another variance discussion because in my opinion the variance comes from the fact that during regular spins almost everything you hit pays a portion of your wager and unless you get these free spins you're just going to go broke. Hit the free spins, get a bonus feature with a multiplier and finally make some money. That's the way it's usually worked for me. If anyone's going to tell me the only way to win anything is to hit the highest paying lines during the free spin with the multiplier repeatedly to come out ahead then I don't consider that high variance. I consider that unfair and really bad odds.

End of Variance discussion.

The problem I find at 3Dice is that 98% of my spins hit crap when I'm playing a bonus feature. It's hard enough to hit them in the first place and when I finally do it's a little disappointing when as many as 30 or 40 free spins pays 4x my wager.

Tonight on one deposit I had free spins in Coral Clams that paid a 4x my wager on 7 free spins with a 6x multiplier. Payola I had 16 free spins with a 4x multiplier and a 16 spin retrigger with 2x and managed to win 5 bucks. Fortune Falls finally hit a bonus after 104 spins and paid 6x my wager. I had one good bonus feature that paid well in Tutankhamon and my next free spin bonus on a 50 cent wager with 20 free spins and a 6x multiplier won $2.68.

I have questioned many times why everytime I get a free spin bonus none of the spins will even pay 1x my wager and I get the standard casino response, If you don't like our games don't play here. I guess that's not bad advice. Not exactly the answer I was looking for though. I guess they're getting kind of tired of the question. Which doesn't surprise me because I'm getting kind of tired of asking it.

I guess what really sparked the rant was the way I seem to be told it's ok for free spins to perpetually crap out deposit after deposit as long as I've won something recently or sometime in the past. If I get up a little bit that doesn't necessarily mean I have to crap out every bonus feature until I'm back down. There was a time when I used to gamble online and free spin bonuses used to mean something. These days when I hit them I'm more surprised when they pay than when they don't. In my opinion if every free spin bonus wins less than it cost to hit it then spinning the slots is a complete waste of time. I can understand once or twice but it shouldn't be the norm.

 

[kakata]

One thing that burns my ass when I'm playing slot games is waiting forever for free spins and then the spins hit nothing. I know it happens from time to time but when you're playing multiline slot games the only way to really win is to get these free spins and then hit something when you get them.

To me it really makes no difference if I made a half decent withdrawal once or twice in the last few months. I'd still like to see bonus features that normally pay something not normally crap out.

I don't want to turn this into another variance discussion because in my opinion the variance comes from the fact that during regular spins almost everything you hit pays a portion of your wager and unless you get these free spins you're just going to go broke. Hit the free spins, get a bonus feature with a multiplier and finally make some money. That's the way it's usually worked for me. If anyone's going to tell me the only way to win anything is to hit the highest paying lines during the free spin with the multiplier repeatedly to come out ahead then I don't consider that high variance. I consider that unfair and really bad odds.

End of Variance discussion.

The problem I find at 3Dice is that 98% of my spins hit crap when I'm playing a bonus feature. It's hard enough to hit them in the first place and when I finally do it's a little disappointing when as many as 30 or 40 free spins pays 4x my wager.

Tonight on one deposit I had free spins in Coral Clams that paid a 4x my wager on 7 free spins with a 6x multiplier. Payola I had 16 free spins with a 4x multiplier and a 16 spin retrigger with 2x and managed to win 5 bucks. Fortune Falls finally hit a bonus after 104 spins and paid 6x my wager. I had one good bonus feature that paid well in Tutankhamon and my next free spin bonus on a 50 cent wager with 20 free spins and a 6x multiplier won $2.68.

I have questioned many times why everytime I get a free spin bonus none of the spins will even pay 1x my wager and I get the standard casino response, If you don't like our games don't play here. I guess that's not bad advice. Not exactly the answer I was looking for though. I guess they're getting kind of tired of the question. Which doesn't surprise me because I'm getting kind of tired of asking it.

I guess what really sparked the rant was the way I seem to be told it's ok for free spins to perpetually crap out deposit after deposit as long as I've won something recently or sometime in the past. If I get up a little bit that doesn't necessarily mean I have to crap out every bonus feature until I'm back down. There was a time when I used to gamble online and free spin bonuses used to mean something. These days when I hit them I'm more surprised when they pay than when they don't. In my opinion if every free spin bonus wins less than it cost to hit it then spinning the slots is a complete waste of time. I can understand once or twice but it shouldn't be the norm.

dont worry u r not the only one
....but this is "the best " casino online sofar.....

 

[just play]

I guess what really sparked the rant was the way I seem to be told it's ok for free spins to perpetually crap out deposit after deposit as long as I've won something recently or sometime in the past. If I get up a little bit that doesn't necessarily mean I have to crap out every bonus feature until I'm back down. There was a time when I used to gamble online and free spin bonuses used to mean something. These days when I hit them I'm more surprised when they pay than when they don't. In my opinion if every free spin bonus wins less than it cost to hit it then spinning the slots is a complete waste of time. I can understand once or twice but it shouldn't be the norm.

I agree with this....it's true for me too...not just at 3dice but I have had a horrible time at RTG lately.

 

[nisosbar]

I've lost WAY more on 3Dice than I've won.

That said, it really is so variable from session to session. I almost NEVER find that, on a night when I find a slot paying out well, that the following night it continues paying out like that. Which is why it's important to be sensitive to whether a slot is tight or loose on each particular session - and either move to another slot, or stay and maybe increase your bet size, in response.

Personally, this is my absolute favorite online casino. My only complaint is the smallish number of video slots, and also perhaps the lack of any slots with expanding wilds.

 

[skiny]

I agree with this....it's true for me too...not just at 3dice but I have had a horrible time at RTG lately.

Actually when I played at Casino Titan my free spins paid just fine. I just didn't hit very many of them. Personally I find it more frustrating when I hit the free spins and they pay nothing. They're really not that easy to get at the best of times. If the free spins are all worthless you're just beating a dead horse.

I opened the discussion with Casino Titan about how much harder it seems to be to win with RTG these days compared to a couple of years ago. I was wondering if the RJ's are taking their toll on the regular play. They seemed quite sympathetic to the fact that I spun away my deposit with almost no bonus features and offered to give me another try. I really don't think players should be expecting a redo when they lose a deposit but the gesture seemed a little nicer than just being told if you don't like it don't play. For that reason alone my next deposit goes there.

 

[just play]

Actually when I played at Casino Titan my free spins paid just fine. I just didn't hit very many of them. Personally I find it more frustrating when I hit the free spins and they pay nothing. They're really not that easy to get at the best of times. If the free spins are all worthless you're just beating a dead horse.

I opened the discussion with Casino Titan about how much harder it seems to be to win with RTG these days compared to a couple of years ago. I was wondering if the RJ's are taking their toll on the regular play. They seemed quite sympathetic to the fact that I spun away my deposit with almost no bonus features and offered to give me another try. I really don't think players should be expecting a redo when they lose a deposit but the gesture seemed a little nicer than just being told if you don't like it don't play. For that reason alone my next deposit goes there.

Yes, I don't care for that line "if you don't like it don't play", it's like getting kicked in the face.

I never tried Casino Titan, I opened a new RTG account the other day and they couldn't "see" my documents clear enough, after 2 tries, I told them forget it, just close my account then. Maybe I will try Casino Titan.

But back to 3dice, you can imagine how well I am doing there after hitting the Joker jackpot. I did have a chance to cash out last week, but was having fun gambling, then all of a sudden.....poof a few hundred gone within minutes!!! It's really weird.

 

[silcnlayc]

skiny:I find it more frustrating when I hit the free spins and they pay nothing. They're really not that easy to get at the best of times. If the free spins are all worthless you're just beating a dead horse.

I can relate to what you are saying skiny, I hit the butterfly bonus 5 times in a long drawn out sesson (after a long string of non wins) and thought each and everytime, ALRIGHT this time I will get enough back to play more...but out of the 5 bonus rounds, I made 88 cents betting a $1.87 a spin. Not even getting my investment back x 1 ($1.87) on all 5 bonus rounds.

I get frustrated and leave and give it a break because I get to the point of feeling the same, beating a dead horse syndrome. I posted my screenies on these 5 rounds in the screenshots that suck.

I have won some at 3Dice but I agree, catching the bonus round SHOULD be the ultimate goal and SHOULD reward the player for investing so much to hit it..but it doesn't..

Take a breather..it helps a lot....I have...and it feels great..

"if you don't like it don't play",

That is the gratitude you get for being a loyal depositer, almost on the same line as Rivals, RTG's Mg's etc.."sorry for your bad run of luck" when you know it has nothing to do with luck but with the settings...

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[Dinahnana]

One thing that burns my ass when I'm playing slot games is waiting forever for free spins and then the spins hit nothing. I know it happens from time to time but when you're playing multiline slot games the only way to really win is to get these free spins and then hit something when you get them.

To me it really makes no difference if I made a half decent withdrawal once or twice in the last few months. I'd still like to see bonus features that normally pay something not normally crap out.

I don't want to turn this into another variance discussion because in my opinion the variance comes from the fact that during regular spins almost everything you hit pays a portion of your wager and unless you get these free spins you're just going to go broke. Hit the free spins, get a bonus feature with a multiplier and finally make some money. That's the way it's usually worked for me. If anyone's going to tell me the only way to win anything is to hit the highest paying lines during the free spin with the multiplier repeatedly to come out ahead then I don't consider that high variance. I consider that unfair and really bad odds.

End of Variance discussion.

The problem I find at 3Dice is that 98% of my spins hit crap when I'm playing a bonus feature. It's hard enough to hit them in the first place and when I finally do it's a little disappointing when as many as 30 or 40 free spins pays 4x my wager.

Tonight on one deposit I had free spins in Coral Clams that paid a 4x my wager on 7 free spins with a 6x multiplier. Payola I had 16 free spins with a 4x multiplier and a 16 spin retrigger with 2x and managed to win 5 bucks. Fortune Falls finally hit a bonus after 104 spins and paid 6x my wager. I had one good bonus feature that paid well in Tutankhamon and my next free spin bonus on a 50 cent wager with 20 free spins and a 6x multiplier won $2.68.

I have questioned many times why everytime I get a free spin bonus none of the spins will even pay 1x my wager and I get the standard casino response, If you don't like our games don't play here. I guess that's not bad advice. Not exactly the answer I was looking for though. I guess they're getting kind of tired of the question. Which doesn't surprise me because I'm getting kind of tired of asking it.

I guess what really sparked the rant was the way I seem to be told it's ok for free spins to perpetually crap out deposit after deposit as long as I've won something recently or sometime in the past. If I get up a little bit that doesn't necessarily mean I have to crap out every bonus feature until I'm back down. There was a time when I used to gamble online and free spin bonuses used to mean something. These days when I hit them I'm more surprised when they pay than when they don't. In my opinion if every free spin bonus wins less than it cost to hit it then spinning the slots is a complete waste of time. I can understand once or twice but it shouldn't be the norm.

OMG I thought it was just me! I have been depositing mostly at 3Dice lately since but I am getting really pissed at how fast my deposits are going. You could say I have been having the worst loosing streak ever!! I love Coral Clams and Slotronomicon. I have depsosited countless times in the last few weeks and all I bust out with all my deposits. Anyway I noticed that the wins on the freespins for slotonomicon suck really bad, I can get quite alot of free spins with x1 multiplier but they never pay much. Every time I get a x2 or x4 multiplier the free spins pay even worse since I get the 3 black hearts very fast. Getting a free spin mode x2 or x4 times with this slot used to mean something.
I had a session the other day and after 280 or so spins I didnt get the free spin feature on Coral Clams which I thought was odd since this is a medium variance slot. Anyway those features suck too. I even got the gold album a few times on Payola for 75 free spins but didn't get what I thought I would. I won a whopping $12 dollars on one of these 75 free spins mode with a trigger bet of $0.75 which to me sucks
Its almost to a point that I can predict what the slots are going to do. Getting the free spin feature used to fill me with glee now I am ambivalent cause 9 times out of 10 I get next to near nothing.
The other thing is that there is very little difference between the high and medium variance slots for me in terms of wins or loses so I think that variance level crap is another way to say "see how fast you can lose".

I do love 3Dice and I am will continue to play there. I just wish that I can have a decent enough session that is worth me cashing out for.

 

[skiny]

This is kind of my point. The games are so different when in free spin mode that it's almost impossible to make a line sometimes.

I can hit 200 free spins or more in Payola but 80% of them hit zero and the rest hit the smallest win lines. Literally. Can you imagine if you played a slot game and 8 out of 10 spins hit zero and the rest hit the minimum wins? You would either be broke or quit in minutes.

Coral clams does quite well at paying my wager back or slightly more. Enough ot keep me spinning for a while. But add a multiplier and suddenly I'm hitting nothing sometimes 12 spins on a 14 free spin bonus.

I realize that these games play with different reel strips during free play but do they have to be so drastically different that most of the time I win more in regular play than I do with a healthy multiplier?

 

[Nifty29]

I don't want to turn this into another variance discussion because in my opinion the variance comes from the fact that during regular spins almost everything you hit pays a portion of your wager and unless you get these free spins you're just going to go broke. Hit the free spins, get a bonus feature with a multiplier and finally make some money. That's the way it's usually worked for me. If anyone's going to tell me the only way to win anything is to hit the highest paying lines during the free spin with the multiplier repeatedly to come out ahead then I don't consider that high variance. I consider that unfair and really bad odds.

End of Variance discussion.

Nothing personal, but if you dismissing variance out of hand as an explanation of your playing experience, you are ignoring mathematical facts....and maths dont lie.

Did you see someone hit $5600 on a $1.50 bet at 3Dice the other day - now how do you think the casino is going to make money if everyone had a good chance of hitting like this? The answer is that they dont have a good chance - in fact, the chances are slim.

If you want to play a slot where you have a reasonable chance to hit 4-500xbet or 1000xbet, you have to accept that the vast majority of the spins in between (bonus rounds included) are going to pay very little. All the 3Dice slots, and many of the RTG slots, work this way. These slots will suck you dry very quickly, but by the same token you can hit 2000xbet or more (Ive done it more than once)..i.e. the big wins are bigger, but less frequent.

Imagine a pendulum swinging from win to lose - at 3Dice the pendulum has a very wide arc. You win big or you lose big. No in-betweens.

Its called variance.

If a slot player cant accept the idea of variance, they are destined to be writing posts like these forever and ever. You have to accept that the risk of playing for a big win is that you will likely have a big loss.

The only other explanation is that the casino/software is cheating - in which case, it is perfectly reasonable for someone to advise you to stop playing there, as there is no way I would give money to someone I thought was cheating me....would you??

Its nothing personal against anyone, Im just trying to show that all of this is within the normal mathematical expectations of a high variance slot game, in the hope that it might allow other members to make more informed choices when it comes to the games they play vs their available bankroll. If you dont have a big bankroll, and you want to have some reasonable play time for your money, then high variance slots are the worst choice you can make.

 

[sparkles]

Its quite

true those awesome spins cant come round everyday, that $5000 spin off $1.50 is pretty fantastic, and they do happen, in fact if you ask onemoorebaby, I beleive hes hit in excess of 3500 x his bet, three times this year,

Trollet has also had some pretty amazing wins, Im sure both of them could tell you that they do happen. Trollet has a lot of her screenies on her profile at 3dice of her good wins

In the same breath I do understand how you feel when the old 4 x's your bet comes round in the spins, I seem to be having a reasonable date with those lately, but I guess to have the big winners, there has to be the losers.

Good luck!!

 

[just play]

Nifty, I for once really enjoyed reading this post of yours. It had a different feel to it than your normal posts. No offence intended, I just really liked the way you worded it.

But what about 3dice low variance slots?

 

[footdr]

Play 3dice for first time and won

cashedout 600.00 to QT paid fast. But I noticed that I there are very few slots so I will be allowing a considerable amount of time before playing again.
It is not as if I could play the following day or week playing slots I had not played before. This is why I can often play some casinos several days in a row and have a chance of winning multiple times, just my opinion

 

[skiny]

Nothing personal, but if you dismissing variance out of hand as an explanation of your playing experience, you are ignoring mathematical facts....and maths dont lie.

Did you see someone hit $5600 on a $1.50 bet at 3Dice the other day - now how do you think the casino is going to make money if everyone had a good chance of hitting like this? The answer is that they dont have a good chance - in fact, the chances are slim.

If you want to play a slot where you have a reasonable chance to hit 4-500xbet or 1000xbet, you have to accept that the vast majority of the spins in between (bonus rounds included) are going to pay very little. All the 3Dice slots, and many of the RTG slots, work this way. These slots will suck you dry very quickly, but by the same token you can hit 2000xbet or more (Ive done it more than once)..i.e. the big wins are bigger, but less frequent.

Imagine a pendulum swinging from win to lose - at 3Dice the pendulum has a very wide arc. You win big or you lose big. No in-betweens.

Its called variance.

If a slot player cant accept the idea of variance, they are destined to be writing posts like these forever and ever. You have to accept that the risk of playing for a big win is that you will likely have a big loss.

The only other explanation is that the casino/software is cheating - in which case, it is perfectly reasonable for someone to advise you to stop playing there, as there is no way I would give money to someone I thought was cheating me....would you??

Its nothing personal against anyone, Im just trying to show that all of this is within the normal mathematical expectations of a high variance slot game, in the hope that it might allow other members to make more informed choices when it comes to the games they play vs their available bankroll. If you dont have a big bankroll, and you want to have some reasonable play time for your money, then high variance slots are the worst choice you can make.

Nothing personal but if you ever played at this casino you would know that this casino actually lists their slot games according to variance and if I can spin 200 times and hit zero on 80% of thier spins on a Medium variance game then the high variance would be next to impossible to win anything.

Also you miss the point that the game play on the free spins as opposed to the regular spins is so far apart that hitting the free spins in some of these games is all but pointless.

You pick any slot game in any casino online or on land and tell me that because of high or low variance a person can't win a large amount of money on a low wager. Once in a while. A very rare occasion at any casino someone bets really low and wins really high and if you think everyone else is going to be content to hit crap because someone finally got a nice hit you're mistaken.

The reason I leave variance out of this discussion is because you can lose every spin for the rest of your life and pretty much any casino will tell you it's within the expected variance.

Just because it's remotely possible (Very Very remotely possible) to hit a huge amount of money on a slot game on a low wager doesn't mean that the free spin bonuses have to be designed to hit crap 8 times out of 10.

I hit 4000 dollars on a 25 cent spin from an RJ playing Hidden Riches at an RTG casino. That money comes from the expected overall RTP. A 16000x win. Doesn't mean the free spin bonuses on that game hit zero 8 spins out of 10. In fact the bonus features in that game usually pay me quite well.

If a slot player is willing to accept that variance is an excuse for slot games to burn him on bonus features time and time again then he's going to be destined to be answering posts like this forever and ever.

 

[Nifty29]

Just a couple of things Skiny:

The reason I leave variance out of this discussion is because you can lose every spin for the rest of your life and pretty much any casino will tell you it's within the expected variance.

I gather from this statement that you dont understand what variance is, or you are not interested in understanding it. Either way is cool, but as a result your opinions will not be completely based on fact.

I hit 4000 dollars on a 25 cent spin from an RJ playing Hidden Riches at an RTG casino. That money comes from the expected overall RTP. A 16000x win. Doesn't mean the free spin bonuses on that game hit zero 8 spins out of 10. In fact the bonus features in that game usually pay me quite well.

You are comparing oranges with apples here. The money represents about 1.5% of RTP e.g. a 96% slot with a RJ means the game itself (e.g the reels etc) pays 94.5%.

Variance is not the same as RTP.

Return To Player is exactly that - how much of the money invested is returned to the player as winnings.

Variance is how that money is returned to the player i.e. in one big hit, or several smaller hits. As you have experienced, if its the former then there will be long sessions of very little payouts.....but when you hit the big one it brings you back closer towards the RTP.

The RJ has very little bearing on what the free spins pay or how often they appear.

If a slot player is willing to accept that variance is an excuse for slot games to burn him on bonus features time and time again then he's going to be destined to be answering posts like this forever and ever

Its not an excuse, its a fact.

Ignore facts at your own peril.

If you want more playtime and less crappy bonus rounds, choose a lower variance slot. Otherwise, you continue to get crappy bonus rounds and little playtime.....I gaurantee it.

As I said, there is only one other explanation besides variance - that the RTP is in fact much lower than advertised, and in that case it is cheating. If you believe this is the case, and you continue to play, then you are willingly allowing someone to rip you off and you shouldnt, therefore, complain about it.

 

[3Dice]

Hi Guys,

As a general pointer, its a good idea to check your stats with our staff before making decisions or statements about your status. It is a well known psychological effect that we tend to put more weight to recent events even if they misalign with the facts. (In psychology, this is called the Rashomon effect). This is preliminary important if you're planning on making general statements about such subjects as variance, game balances, or quality of entertainment. Far to often I see posts on this forum dealing with these subjects that should actually be about the posters luck. (and quite often even just the recent luck.). You'll be able to count on a lot more support from your fellow players, from casino staff, and on much more sympathy if you rant about your luck when you've had bad luck as opposed to projecting that onto games, casinos or operators. It'll reduce conflict - and you will avoid potentially embarrassing situations.

Hi Skiny,

If your luck at 3Dice hasn't been as good lately, then I fully sympathize with that. Good runs are a lot more fun than bad ones, I'm sure its hard to find someone that disagrees. In this particular case however I have a pretty good hunch of why you feel the way you do. Your withdraws at 3Dice greatly exceed your deposits and your overall lifetime RTP is still over 100%. That means your luck has been above average in the past, and it is but human that this has influenced your perception. It is however a dangerous thing to reflect that in statements about the software or games - when the numbers sharply contradict those. (you mention coral clams not paying in bonus - yet you've got 119.02% lifetime RTP on that game - with all good wins from bonus.). I'm sure your last session on it wasn't the best you've seen but that is just the bucket of cold water that feels a lot colder if you've just pulled your hand out of the hot water bucket. Projecting your luck on the games creates a twisted picture not just for other forum readers, but in the first place for yourself. Now had you made a post about how you'd take a cavity search over your recent luck - then I could have only agreed. (I wouldn't have volunteered - just agreed).

I do hope your luck turns soon, Skiny !

Cheers,

Enzo



p.s. just to dot the i's .. none of the 3Dice slots use a different reel setup in freespins versus normal spins. (on slotronomicon the color of the hearts changes in freespins - but the reel layout is still the same).

 

[skiny]

I gather from this statement that you dont understand what variance is, or you are not interested in understanding it. Either way is cool

I gather from this statement that you dont understand what this thread is about, or you are not interested in understanding it. Either way is cool

You are comparing oranges with apples here.

Actually I was talking about something entirely different and you showed up with a fruit basket.

Ignore facts at your own peril.

That actually sounds kind of scary. We’re still talking about spinning 40 cent slots, right?

As a general pointer, its a good idea to check your stats with our staff before making decisions or statements about your status. It is a well known psychological effect that we tend to put more weight to recent events even if they misalign with the facts. (In psychology, this is called the Rashomon effect).

Well. That’s the nicest anyone’s ever called me nuts. Usually they just say I sniff glue.

This is preliminary important if you're planning on making general statements about such subjects as variance, game balances, or quality of entertainment. Far to often I see posts on this forum dealing with these subjects that should actually be about the posters luck. (and quite often even just the recent luck.). You'll be able to count on a lot more support from your fellow players, from casino staff, and on much more sympathy if you rant about your luck when you've had bad luck as opposed to projecting that onto games, casinos or operators.

Actually I’m not the one who brought up variance and am I looking for sympathy. Many players agree with me. If some don’t that’s fine.

It'll reduce conflict - and you will avoid potentially embarrassing situations.

This started out as a rant and I’m not embarrassed in the least. Unless you’re talking about you or Nifty.

If your luck at 3Dice hasn't been as good lately, then I fully sympathize with that. Good runs are a lot more fun than bad ones, I'm sure its hard to find someone that disagrees. In this particular case however I have a pretty good hunch of why you feel the way you do. Your withdraws at 3Dice greatly exceed your deposits and your overall lifetime RTP is still over 100%. That means your luck has been above average in the past, and it is but human that this has influenced your perception.

Most people who play at a casino regularly have been up on the casino at times and down at times. This has nothing to do with what I’m talking about.

It is however a dangerous thing to reflect that in statements about the software or games - when the numbers sharply contradict those. (you mention coral clams not paying in bonus - yet you've got 119.02% lifetime RTP on that game - with all good wins from bonus.).

The numbers don’t contradict anything because I’m not talking about lifetime RTP. I’m talking about free spin bonus behavior. (I've hit a couple of good bonuses on that game but almost all my bonuses in Coral Clams crap out.)

I'm sure your last session on it wasn't the best you've seen but that is just the bucket of cold water that feels a lot colder if you've just pulled your hand out of the hot water bucket. Projecting your luck on the games creates a twisted picture not just for other forum readers, but in the first place for yourself. Now had you made a post about how you'd take a cavity search over your recent luck - then I could have only agreed. (I wouldn't have volunteered - just agreed).

Cavity search was and always is the furthest thing from my mind.

Now… If anyone wants to start a thread about psychology or variance I’ll join that one too but the entire point of this conversation was that when I hit free spins they have a very good habit of hitting much less than when I’m playing regular spins. I’ve given examples earlier in this thread and in private I’ve heard and given many more examples. I fully understand variance and when I’m playing games like Squirrel Pike or Medieval Moolah the games behave exactly how I expect them to. I start those games with the expectation to hit zero after zero after zero in the regular spins and when I finally do hit something it’s usually not too bad.

I’m talking about games like Payola where I can spin 150 times before finally getting a free spin bonus and during that regular play I’m hitting anywhere from 25% of my wager to 3x my wager very regularly. Usually with a very small amount of zero hits. Then when I finally get to spin for free I get 78 free spins and 65 of them hit zero. This is what my original rant was about. This is what burns my ass. Call me crazy if you like but like I said – Free spins used to mean something. Free spins used to be the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. It used to be quite normal for free spins to win something good. Now it’s quite normal for free spins to hit nothing until your bonus feature is done.

I’ve always praised you Enzo. I’ve always said you’re a good guy. I like the staff at 3Dice probably more than they like me. I like almost everyone I know that plays there. And yes when you finally do hit something at your casino it can pay well. But when I watch the spin results change so drastically as soon as I add a multiplier and stop paying for the spins it burns my ass.

 

[silcnlayc]

skiny: Call me crazy if you like but like I said – Free spins used to mean something. Free spins used to be the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

This is the same argument I tried to have a while back but as usual...the math nuts and variance nuts chime in to say all is the way is should be...

Well....what is the POINT of a bonus round if NOT to win ?? Why even bother to have one...geezes, I can scratch my head and at least that feels GOOD...and is FREE!

skiny, you are really beating a dead horse here because no one wants to hear this...I know..I was booo'ed all the way out of discussing anything such as free spins and the meanings of it, etc etc...I feel if you offer a bonus round with free spins, then they should pay SOMETHING..and not just a big fat ZERO! It costs BIG to catch those.. and are not cheap sessions...

I also agree with it being the gold bucket at the end of the rainbow but many of these casinos have forgotten the plot to get the greenbacks...it is called GREED, not VARIANCE because a bonus round regardless of VARIANCE would pay SOMETHING since it costs an arm and a leg to get!

I just hit 2 bonus rounds on the butterfly and got ZILCH but it ate up my $100+ bankroll in no time...variance, naw...greed..yes..

Suggestion to any casino offering these ridiculous games with bonuses...take the bonus out and you would have a lot less frustrated players..because then the EXPECTATION of a good win will not be there..

Again, we will have a thread full of variances, etc etc..which is NOT the issue, BONUS rounds are..

I am with you on this one skiny...and have already tried to make sense of why they even bother with them if they allow a zero win...talk about bending you over big time..and 3Dice isn't the only one good for this....I can think of one or two others that continue to offer zilch on bonus round wins..thinking they are giving something..and they are....NOTHING!
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[Roanan]

Perhaps you should start playing 3- and 5-reel multi-line classic slots and leave the video slots alone.

 

[Nifty29]

Skiny, its a shame you had to ruin a good discussion/argument with some high school sarcasm. Instead of presenting your side of the coin with explanations and evidence about why you think my argument is invalid, you just say 'pffft' and dismiss it.

I know exactly how you feel, as Im a slot player too......the difference is I made the effort to educate myself about how they work, and now I understand why things happen as they do. It doesnt mean I dont get annoyed when I lose, but it does mean I dont let it burn me up and spoil the entire experience. Everyone is different, but if it was eating me like its eating you I would take a break.

Interesting that you are 20% ahead of the game you are complaining about......I am sure you have hit lots and lots of BS bonus rounds along the way, but managed to hit a couple of big ones here and there which put you in the black. You know, there is a name for that - Variance.

 

[silcnlayc]

Nifty29: Skiny, its a shame you had to ruin a good discussion/argument with some high school sarcasm. Instead of presenting your side of the coin with explanations and evidence about why you think my argument is invalid, you just say 'pffft' and dismiss it.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black....isn't this just what you and a few others do to those that try to get across something...ahhh but your reponses are supposedly more acceptable in you mind because you say and follow others repeating... " you are so TIRESOME" or it gets so "OLD" to keep repeating yourself, but it is ok for you and a few others to do this yes..and to repeat what others already have said, including "well quit playing if you feel so strongly about it"...well..guess what Nifty29, you ARE repeating yourself...and repeating verbatum what is forced down other peoples throat that has absolutely nothing to do with the rant...

FOCUS:

BONUS ROUNDS are the subject....why have them if they are going to cost a fortune to hit and give up NOTHING...what is the POINT of a bonus round if not to win back some of what it cost to reach it....can you focus and answer that without any other converstional misdirection???

The POINT....the OBJECT..the REASON for a bonus round is.......say it here :_____________________________...

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

Roanan: Perhaps you should start playing 3- and 5-reel multi-line classic slots and leave the video slots alone.

I do, a lot...thanks for the sugestion though...

Just curous as to why anyone would think one doesn't play a variety of games??? Or how does one know that the other hasn't quit playing if so disgusted...

Yes, yes...I know....such a tiresome rant....but if others can be so tiresome...why can't we....is what I say..and you guys really do get tiresome too...hearing, the pat, "quit", get another hobby" variance" etc....so I guess we are in good tiresome boring company!!

Have a nice day...signing off...

Boring and tiresome but persistant!!!
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[skiny]

Skiny, its a shame you had to ruin a good discussion/argument with some high school sarcasm. Instead of presenting your side of the coin with explanations and evidence about why you think my argument is invalid, you just say 'pffft' and dismiss it.

Nifty, its a shame you had to ruin a good discussion/argument about slot games totally changing behaviour as soon as a multiplier is added with the same old spiel about variance.

(I also felt my sarcasm was college level at least.)

I know exactly how you feel, as Im a slot player too......the difference is I made the effort to educate myself about how they work, and now I understand why things happen as they do. It doesnt mean I dont get annoyed when I lose, but it does mean I dont let it burn me up and spoil the entire experience. Everyone is different, but if it was eating me like its eating you I would take a break.

Seems like me disagreeing with your dismissal of the slot behaviour as normal variance eats you more than the crapped out free spins eats me.

Interesting that you are 20% ahead of the game you are complaining about......I am sure you have hit lots and lots of BS bonus rounds along the way, but managed to hit a couple of big ones here and there which put you in the black. You know, there is a name for that - Variance.

The reason I'm ahead as I said is because I've only bet really high on the particular game once or twice and one of those times was when the game behaved like all slot games should. I hit a bonus feature and it didn't crap out on every spin. Since then I've low rolled that game many times over and we're back to the same crapping out. 22 free spins with a 10x multiplier winning 10x my wager. That's crapping out. Variance or not, I think more than one of those 22 spins should have hit more than 1x. I don't see that play during regular spins. If I did I wouldn't have been playing.

 

[RobWin]

skiny, you are really beating a dead horse here because no one wants to hear this...

That's not true, I'm actually enjoying reading the posts here in this thread...
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[silcnlayc]

RobWin: That's not true, I'm actually enjoying reading the posts here in this thread...

Then you are a first Rob to not diminish the thought process here unlike the thread many moons ago I started and was dismissed without a thought to the actual question...! :notworthy Maybe skiny will hold on long enough to get a decent answer..unlike me..I just gave up on everybody that had an agenda with my postings...and moved on

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[Mavin1]

Nothing personal, but if you dismissing variance out of hand as an explanation of your playing experience, you are ignoring mathematical facts....and maths dont lie.

Did you see someone hit $5600 on a $1.50 bet at 3Dice the other day - now how do you think the casino is going to make money if everyone had a good chance of hitting like this? The answer is that they dont have a good chance - in fact, the chances are slim.

If you want to play a slot where you have a reasonable chance to hit 4-500xbet or 1000xbet, you have to accept that the vast majority of the spins in between (bonus rounds included) are going to pay very little. All the 3Dice slots, and many of the RTG slots, work this way. These slots will suck you dry very quickly, but by the same token you can hit 2000xbet or more (Ive done it more than once)..i.e. the big wins are bigger, but less frequent.

Imagine a pendulum swinging from win to lose - at 3Dice the pendulum has a very wide arc. You win big or you lose big. No in-betweens.

Its called variance.

If a slot player cant accept the idea of variance, they are destined to be writing posts like these forever and ever. You have to accept that the risk of playing for a big win is that you will likely have a big loss.

The only other explanation is that the casino/software is cheating - in which case, it is perfectly reasonable for someone to advise you to stop playing there, as there is no way I would give money to someone I thought was cheating me....would you??

Its nothing personal against anyone, Im just trying to show that all of this is within the normal mathematical expectations of a high variance slot game, in the hope that it might allow other members to make more informed choices when it comes to the games they play vs their available bankroll. If you dont have a big bankroll, and you want to have some reasonable play time for your money, then high variance slots are the worst choice you can make.

And that's why you love us so much.

 

[silcnlayc]

Mavin1: And that's why you love us so much.

OMG you WENCH!

Nifty29: If a slot player cant accept the idea of variance, they are destined to be writing posts like these forever and ever

Yea, yea ,yea, old news, heard it a million times before...BORING...............need a new line....and not even on subject...geez...


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[voltage1]

I kinda like reading them too , especially ..... when they are true and are well worded like skiny's usually are!

thanks skiny and silcnlayc for your comments and views

 

[Mavin1]

So Silc, what kind of "Wench" are we talking here?

 

[silcnlayc]

Mavin1 So Silc, what kind of "Wench" are we talking here?

OMG...I am laffin so hard can't breath..I was going to say one of them "flirty types".....but is Nifty a he or she?? Oh geezes..I am dying here..please ignore me..I am punch happy or something..

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[Mavin1]

I hadn't thought of the flirty wench, was thinking, truck wench, wicked wench, like the one in Wizard of Odds, Grinch Wench.......

But seriously, you have to admit, the more we complain, the better we get at it.

 

[silcnlayc]

Mavin1: But seriously, you have to admit, the more we complain, the better we get at it.

Now I wouldn't say we complain...I think we are expanding their minds into getting out of their boxes...there is always more to a thought than just one as they always show...(stuck in a rut kinda thing with them repeating the same thing for every question outside their comfort box). So I feel we are educating many in the ways of the world..no one sees it the same way...we are EDUCATORS! Alrighty!

And you know the old saying....(don't remember which one but it was old) about not exploring other ideas you get stale and old...well...far be it for me to become stale..and persistance pays off!!

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[Mavin1]

I gather from this statement that you dont understand what this thread is about, or you are not interested in understanding it. Either way is cool



Actually I was talking about something entirely different and you showed up with a fruit basket.



That actually sounds kind of scary. We’re still talking about spinning 40 cent slots, right?



Well. That’s the nicest anyone’s ever called me nuts. Usually they just say I sniff glue.



Actually I’m not the one who brought up variance and am I looking for sympathy. Many players agree with me. If some don’t that’s fine.



This started out as a rant and I’m not embarrassed in the least. Unless you’re talking about you or Nifty.



Most people who play at a casino regularly have been up on the casino at times and down at times. This has nothing to do with what I’m talking about.



The numbers don’t contradict anything because I’m not talking about lifetime RTP. I’m talking about free spin bonus behavior. (I've hit a couple of good bonuses on that game but almost all my bonuses in Coral Clams crap out.)



Cavity search was and always is the furthest thing from my mind.

Now… If anyone wants to start a thread about psychology or variance I’ll join that one too but the entire point of this conversation was that when I hit free spins they have a very good habit of hitting much less than when I’m playing regular spins. I’ve given examples earlier in this thread and in private I’ve heard and given many more examples. I fully understand variance and when I’m playing games like Squirrel Pike or Medieval Moolah the games behave exactly how I expect them to. I start those games with the expectation to hit zero after zero after zero in the regular spins and when I finally do hit something it’s usually not too bad.

I’m talking about games like Payola where I can spin 150 times before finally getting a free spin bonus and during that regular play I’m hitting anywhere from 25% of my wager to 3x my wager very regularly. Usually with a very small amount of zero hits. Then when I finally get to spin for free I get 78 free spins and 65 of them hit zero. This is what my original rant was about. This is what burns my ass. Call me crazy if you like but like I said – Free spins used to mean something. Free spins used to be the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. It used to be quite normal for free spins to win something good. Now it’s quite normal for free spins to hit nothing until your bonus feature is done.

I’ve always praised you Enzo. I’ve always said you’re a good guy. I like the staff at 3Dice probably more than they like me. I like almost everyone I know that plays there. And yes when you finally do hit something at your casino it can pay well. But when I watch the spin results change so drastically as soon as I add a multiplier and stop paying for the spins it burns my ass.

Couldn't agree more with Skiny, this is becoming an all to familiar pattern and has been for a long time. I have only occasionally played at 3Dice and although the slots do have some appeal, overall experience left me not to amused.
I found the free spins to hard to acheive to often and as Skiny said only to be dissapointed with the end result after investing so much time and money into getting them. Didn't matter how many I tried, my experience has always been the same.
If a person has a legitimate concern about such matters just as any other, this person deserves to be answered truthfully by whom he is questioning. It just really makes me wonder why some feel it is their duty to halt and stifle anything other than Kudo's.

 

[Nifty29]

Skiny and Co. - you really are getting the wrong end of the stick.

I am not ridiculing your opinions, or dismissing your experiences, or calling you liars etc. If I was, I would expect to get some of the personal jibes I am getting....as it is, I think they are unwarranted.

What I am trying to do is help you by trying to explain the realities of how slot games work. Why do I bother? Well Im asking myself right now, but I can tell you that it is because I used to complain a lot and someone else took the time to educate me on the whole slots thingie and I took the time to listen and think about what they said. If you think this whole argument is new, search back in the forums over the last 5 years or more and you will find it isnt -now, if the payouts etc really have been decreasing that much over that time then nobody would be winning anything, which isnt the case.

There is nothing at all wrong with complaining about losing or getting crappy bonus rounds. All I was trying to do is help you understand why they happen - just like other members did for me years ago.

I really must say Im disappointed in the reaction of some people. The mob mentality thing is understandable when there is a fraudster or rogue about the place, but its pretty lame when someone is trying to help you.

I dont have a personal issue with anyone in this thread BTW so, again, its disappointing to have my statements ridiculed. Its also clear to me now why many members dont bother assisting with many issues.

I will try to answer this question however:

The POINT....the OBJECT..the REASON for a bonus round is.......say it here :_____________________________......to provide a 'game within a game' and an entertaining way of winning some $ apart from the usual spinning of the reels. Slots with bonus rounds will payout less on the reel combinations, to pay for the wins from the bonus round.

Its just my point of view, but there is nothing Ive seen or read that says bonus rounds are there to 'win back some of what it cost to reach them' - in fact, I would go so far as to say it is completely unrelated. Remember, a slot can still reach its RTP by paying out 999 bonus rounds of less than 5x bet and pay out 5000xbet on the 1000th bonus round. Its all about the way the RTP is distributed. Would you rather have every bonus round pay a minimum of 10xbet but never more than 50xbet, or the example above? You cant have both.

Silc - you say people think you have an agenda etc and dont take you seriously. I dont see it, but I can probably think of a reason why - but its not my place to point it out.

 

[silcnlayc]

Nifty29: What I am trying to do is help you by trying to explain the realities of how slot games work.

Same ole box....

Nifty29; to provide a 'game within a game' and an entertaining way of winning some $ apart from the usual spinning of the reels

now you are getting it....so..if I have 18 free spins with a 5x multiplier spins @ $2.25 and still walk away with 3 bucks...that is what I am supposed to reach for? You just said it yourself...it is a game within a game to MAKE money..how does one accept $0 for 5 rounds in a row???? Most casinos used to give you a great return on bonus rounds, and here again, I will point out the changes in the casinos mentality....because we (us old players) got used to getting SOMETHING in these rounds for YEARS...now..the norm is to get nOTHING....how can you account for that? More and more casinos are hitching their ride to this seeing how other casinos are getting away with it...so I say...from your lips to this page...to provide a 'game within a game' and an entertaining way of winning some $ apart from the usual spinning of the reels. Thank you for making that CLEAR ....
At least we agree on SOMETHING!

Silc - you say people think you have an agenda etc and dont take you seriously. I dont see it, but I can probably think of a reason why - but its not my place to point it out.

Why not? I do not take offense if truth is spoken...I have feelings but they run deep and if one feels their is truth in what they say, I can respect that.. What I cannot respect is the innuendoes, the dismissing of ideas etc....the group mentality has always been here and you can pick "the group" out by just reading some of these posts...so yes, tell me your opinion why my thoughts and opinions have been dismissed as of no consequence? I think many of us loose thinkers would like to know this....the ones not stuck in a box believing everything that is force fed to us by a rote from others..they do say...if you hear it enough, you get to believe it is true..yes? This goes for all....including me...but the difference is....I have played for many years..every game possible INLUDING black jack unlike others that claim they know nothing about it but yet have an opinion about it...how can one do that? Ahh yes, they HEARD about it...and there my friend is the problem...

Sorry for such a long post...going over to the next one...I have no issue with you......Have a nice day...
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[skiny]

Jokes, jibes and sarcasm is all part of the fun of any debate. I don't outright insult people. That would just be mean. If all of us spoke in plain mathematical monotones what a boring place this would be. If it's not funny, it's not fun.

You seem to think that I know nothing about a lot of things. You might be surprised what I know. You might also be surprised that some people can enter a conversation without feeling the need to be educated by people who assume they know more.

I understand variance. I understand statistics. I also understand mechanical advantage, euclidean geometry and trigonometry. That doesn't mean it doesn't burn my ass every time I hit a free spin bonus and the game suddenly clamps down and hit zero 65 times in a row.

Jesus. I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.

 

[maxd]

Jesus. I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.

Always a decision that requires careful thought: anytime is *not* necessarily a good time.

 

[jelsmith]

Jokes, jibes and sarcasm is all part of the fun of any debate. I don't outright insult people. That would just be mean. If all of us spoke in plain mathematical monotones what a boring place this would be. If it's not funny, it's not fun.

You seem to think that I know nothing about a lot of things. You might be surprised what I know. You might also be surprised that some people can enter a conversation without feeling the need to be educated by people who assume they know more.

I understand variance. I understand statistics. I also understand mechanical advantage, euclidean geometry and trigonometry. That doesn't mean it doesn't burn my ass every time I hit a free spin bonus and the game suddenly clamps down and hit zero 65 times in a row.

Jesus. I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.

Skiny def knows his math.....and his sarcasm and humor generally make me wet my pants most of the time....

 

[skiny]

Skiny def knows his math.....and his sarcasm and humor generally make me wet my pants most of the time....

I thought I told you to sit on a towel.

 

[killipso]

3dice

Agree with Skiny 100 %

I would go as far to say the settings on the bonus rounds have been changed this year.

Played enough of 3dice slots to see the difference.

Just played fortune falls in tournament the other day.

15 times I hit the bonus rounds one was 25 at 4x. I started the tourney late and started with 2500 dollars.

I believe I played 20 minutes and ended up with 600 bucks left.

The bonus rounds are coming up alot more and paying less.

Since Enzo wanted to comment on recent luck with Skiny lets dive into my account.

Deposits : (and this is me adding it up roughly could be more)

$12,500 dollars

Withdrawals: $5380

I have had 5 checks sent in about a year.

I have all the screenshots of my deposits...

My last check was Oct 21st 2009

So I guess "psychologically" I must have Post Traumatic Syndrome..

But hey we still have those big promo for depositing...

Up to 30 dollars match once a month...

Enough said

 

[skiny]

Maybe someone can explain the difference to me between high variance and medium variance.

Payola is supposed to be medium variance. (Pays more per spin on average but has fewer "Big" payouts?) I'm playing this game for real money tonight hitting zero every single spin. (Literally zero. Literally every single spin.) You can't spin like this forever and you shouldn't have to. This is after all "medium variance."

Squirrel pike is supposed to be "High Variance." (Pays less per spin on average but has higher "big" payouts?) I'm playing this game at 3 coins per line and the squirrels I'm clicking in the bonus feature are paying 3 cents each.

Seems to me it makes no difference which you play. low, med, high, very high. They all pay the same. Usually nothing.

 

[bernynhel]

Maybe someone can explain the difference to me between high variance and medium variance.

Payola is supposed to be medium variance. (Pays more per spin on average but has fewer "Big" payouts?) I'm playing this game for real money tonight hitting zero every single spin. (Literally zero. Literally every single spin.) You can't spin like this forever and you shouldn't have to. This is after all "medium variance."

Squirrel pike is supposed to be "High Variance." (Pays less per spin on average but has higher "big" payouts?) I'm playing this game at 3 coins per line and the squirrels I'm clicking in the bonus feature are paying 3 cents each.

Seems to me it makes no difference which you play. low, med, high, very high. They all pay the same. Usually nothing.

When's the last time you logged out of the casino for 4 hours or more? Are you betting more than 1% of your balance? - ex. bal = $60/bet = $0.60. Did you start each slot with min bet (all lines X 1 coin) before raising? After trying all of the above, did you move on to another slot after a handful of spins with 0 or < bet payouts? I've played many spins on slots only to drop the bet to 1% of my balance and start hitting. Of course, I deposit and bust, balance straight down - too but much less when I control my play using the above guidelines. GL!

 

[skiny]

I log out of the casino for 20 hours or more. Every single day.

3 cents per squirrel in squirrel pike on at 3 coins per line shouldn't even be possible.

Zero on every single spin for dozens of spins in a row is NOT medium variance. In fact it's no variance. It's the same every spin.

 

[just play]

Maybe someone can explain the difference to me between high variance and medium variance.

Payola is supposed to be medium variance. (Pays more per spin on average but has fewer "Big" payouts?) I'm playing this game for real money tonight hitting zero every single spin. (Literally zero. Literally every single spin.) You can't spin like this forever and you shouldn't have to. This is after all "medium variance."

Squirrel pike is supposed to be "High Variance." (Pays less per spin on average but has higher "big" payouts?) I'm playing this game at 3 coins per line and the squirrels I'm clicking in the bonus feature are paying 3 cents each.

Seems to me it makes no difference which you play. low, med, high, very high. They all pay the same. Usually nothing.

Ok this is really weird...I was playing Payola today and was hitting NOTHING. But the other night I was hitting it pretty well. Tonight I was going spin after spin with no wins, I thought it was really strange, and it's even stranger to see you spinning the same.

I HATE when you hit the Squirrel Pike feature and get 3 or 5 cents...in my opinion that feature is a waste of time unless you get 4 squirrels, I actually always sigh when I hit the feature, because I don't care for it, unless it's 4 squirrels or 5 which I have seen I think once or twice.

I wrote somewhere else here that I haven't hit squat since my Joker Jackpot win. The other night I got to cash out pennies (about $80 profit, after hundreds spent since the big win) so now I guess I am on another "unlucky streak" Oh one more thing...I HATE those tournys, I cannot win, not even close. There is always one person who gets like 10 million dollars, and there is no chance no one else can catch up.

But their support is the best.

 

[nisosbar]

Still just about my favorite casino, but like others, I've been running really, really bad over the last few days/weeks. As a low-roller, it's like, 'whatever', but yeah it's still annoying.

 

[bernynhel]

I log out of the casino for 20 hours or more. Every single day.

3 cents per squirrel in squirrel pike on at 3 coins per line shouldn't even be possible.

Zero on every single spin for dozens of spins in a row is NOT medium variance. In fact it's no variance. It's the same every spin.

I can only recommend abandoning play on any slot in favor of another long before "dozens" of empty spins transpire.

 

[RobWin]

When's the last time you logged out of the casino for 4 hours or more? Are you betting more than 1% of your balance? - ex. bal = $60/bet = $0.60. Did you start each slot with min bet (all lines X 1 coin) before raising? After trying all of the above, did you move on to another slot after a handful of spins with 0 or < bet payouts? I've played many spins on slots only to drop the bet to 1% of my balance and start hitting. Of course, I deposit and bust, balance straight down - too but much less when I control my play using the above guidelines. GL!

When that happens Bern, do you still feel the RTP and the slots themselves are still playing and paying "randomly"?
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[skiny]

Telling me to stand on my head and sing "Somebody to love" while I spin doesn't change the fact that I'm playing a so called medium variance slot game and it's hitting zero 25 spins out of 30.

 

[bernynhel]

When that happens Bern, do you still feel the RTP and the slots themselves are still playing and paying "randomly"?
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Who said I ever thought anything I've ever played online was random? I don't think any slot or video poker or table game, online, is random. I believe their all rigged and the playing patterns I've described in my earlier posts are just what I think I have to do to max my chances. I think if you just set any slot to auto play and forget about it, after some payouts if you let it go infinitely - as in forget it's running and leave the house - that it will, eventually, start spinning empty spins and if you don't stop it, then it is programmed to assume you aren't around and will simply spin consecutive goose eggs till you're busted - no matter if the balance is $10 or $10,000. Which is exactly how I'd want all my slots rigged if I ran an online casino and there was no one to tell me I couldn't!

Telling me to stand on my head and sing "Somebody to love" while I spin doesn't change the fact that I'm playing a so called medium variance slot game and it's hitting zero 25 spins out of 30.

Well, how bout you skip standing on your head just do butt-naked-backwards-booty-scoots while singing In-A-Godda-Da-Vida and quit after hitting zero 4 spins out of 5 and try playing something else? Just a suggestion!

 

[skiny]

Well, how bout you skip standing on your head just do butt-naked-backwards-booty-scoots while singing In-A-Godda-Da-Vida and quit after hitting zero 4 spins out of 5 and try playing something else? Just a suggestion!

I wish.

The judge said I'm not allowed to be naked anymore.

 

[killipso]

Waiting

Still waiting for someone from 3dice to explain my losses and deposits like they did skiny's ...

Uh huh ..