Asking Google A.I Why do slots suck now compared to the early 2000's? (Immortal Romance, The Doom Switch! etc)

[YouTubeSlots]

I was very bored last night so decided to jump on google A.I and try and find out why it thinks the slots feel shit now compared to the early 2000's. Why games like Immortal Romance get taken dwon then re released with the same RTP yet dont feel like the same games as they used to.

I also asked it why whenever i play it never lets me get to the £1000 of a £10 deposit like it used to do many many times. I just know factually from playing 20 years now, and i know lots of you out there who have played long enough, and were around for the golden days do mostly agree it just doesn't feel the same any more.

And according to Google A.I it isn't.

I learned a lot of new things asking google questions last night and thought i would share them, dont get me wrong i know google A.I might not get everything right and sometimes makes mistakes.

But it spoke a lot of sense here, and i learned a lot of things i had no idea about as to why it feels shit now and just how bad the U.K market actually is now. It seems from what im reading there is a bit more going on then just RTP reductions.

I have highlighted the major ones that shocked me!

I had to screenshot it as i could not believe what i was reading!

Immortal Romance​

 

[2Slots]

I'm glad I started skeptical as it helped me cut all the bs out as I would think exactly like those points in your post. I ended up enjoying older slots mostly as I'm just playing for 'fun'.

I wonder if the 'golden age' was that way because the companies were building up the online market, a bit like smoking when the companies would give out free packs to gain customers.

The max win part could also be market forces, people seem to love bonus or bust slots and there must be plenty of people who like those hyper win slots that are designed around that.

The losers with those slots will always complain but the winners will love them. Same way that we all like different slots mostly based on whether they play well for us or not, or keep us engaged.

The re-trigger thing might be why I prefer bonuses like Train Heist and a few others. At least they feel like they can go on for a while. Even bonanza is good if the small wins increase the multiplier as it plays out.

Never trusted the hot games or recommended ones. I was so skeptical that I always thought who are they hot or recommended for, me or the casino!

 

[catsdeadnow]

OK - I carefully read through the attachments.
Twice actually.
Pretty compelling and timely content on some truly provocative subjects.

But I've cribbed your own words to best describe an even stronger reaction I have: What has "shocked me" and what I "could not believe" is not a single person has yet to comment on this unquestionably interesting post.

Can anyone here explain why that is? Or maybe I should just ask Google A.I.
Dunno and SMH ...

 

[megadam]

Eh at lot of that stuff from Google's AI is going to be nonsense though. Remember that the model will be trained on a variety of stuff it's scraped off of the internet so it's just regurgitating information both factual and non-factual likely from whatever sources it can scrape based on the top searches on the internet from your questions.

It also makes a contradiction right there when it talks about Casinos tracking and offering hot players the colder games when all of it is random so it doesn't matter. A slot doesn't run hot or cold, it's all pre-defined odds on the likely outcome of an event the moment you press a button.

Same with the statement around it saving it's juice for a jackpot you'll likely never see. Slots online are not compensated, it's not saving it's juice for anything.

Ask the AI for it's sources, guarantee you feed the model enough blogs and forums it'll make statements like it's made above. Christ feed it the Bonanza thread ask it if Dazza's playing a rigged slot and it'll agree with you based on the evidence.

 

[YouTubeSlots]

OK - I carefully read through the attachments.
Twice actually.
Pretty compelling and timely content on some truly provocative subjects.

But I've cribbed your own words to best describe an even stronger reaction I have: What has "shocked me" and what I "could not believe" is not a single person has yet to comment on this unquestionably interesting post.

Can anyone here explain why that is? Or maybe I should just ask Google A.I.
Dunno and SMH ...

Im not the most popular person on here i must say, so i wasn't shocked not many replied. Its funny that if Chopley or someone else had posted it everyone would be all over it though.

I mean i had no idea a game could have the same rtp yet the country im playing from exlcudes me from a percentage of it. The immortal romance jackpot thing really knocked me back.

And games being designed to give less re trriggers etc for the uk players.

A lot of shockers in there i thought!

 

[Mr Shine]

Google AI is talking out its arse. That's just a compilation of crackpot theories from the tinhat brigade. The only difference is that Google AI knows how to talk clearly in complete sentences so it appears more authoritative

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Im not the most popular person on here i must say, so i wasn't shocked not many replied. Its funny that if Chopley or someone else had posted it everyone would be all over it though.

I mean i had no idea a game could have the same rtp yet the country im playing from exlcudes me from a percentage of it. The immortal romance jackpot thing really knocked me back.

And games being designed to give less re trriggers etc for the uk players.

A lot of shockers in there i thought!

TBH I read that AI regurgitated nonsense last night and couldn't even summon up the energy to reply. Nothing personal against you I hasten to add, but I have a deep and passionate hatred for AI slop and Gemini really is demonstrating the worst of it there.

As other replies to this thread have already noted, it's a load of contradictory mumbo-jumbo laced with conspiracy theory nonsense, along with some actual facts that it's stolen from people who took the time to put real human effort into writing them down - all smooshed together into a word salad of codswallop that made my brain start to leak out of my ears as I read it.

AI is not capable of original thought so all it's presented to you there is a synthesised digest of everything Google have seen fit to pinch from anywhere and everywhere on the internet, regardless of the integrity and reliability of the sources.

One of my favourite periodic tests of AI is asking it questions about UK fruit machines, the regularity and confidence with which it routinely replies with absolute bollocks is quite the sight to behold.

So in summary, there's definitely a conversation to be had about what's happened to online slots over the years, but AI generated babble definitely isn't the place to start it from.

On a related topic, this came onto my radar the other day, it's an AI generated 'history of Bellfruit', who were one of the major UK fruit machine manufacturers for decades. It's comically, other-wordly bad, I watched the whole thing just to play 'spot the fuck up'.

 

[satchnz]

Yeah you have to be careful what you believe with what AI tells you for the reasons stated in earlier posts.

I’ve just taken up a subscription to Google Gemini. While it is fun to play with, you still have to fact check a lot of what it tells you.

It’s good for doing stuff like this though!

 

[YouTubeSlots]

If is it true that immortal romance is paying out of its RTP for wins you can only get in other countries that have bonus buy. Yet the UK player is paying towards these things? seems very wrong to me.

And also that the games are purposely being made worse for the UK market. I just thought the RTP was being nerfed.

I get people saying it churns out any old shit, which it does most of the time. But its also helped me solve lots of problems, and can get stuff right a lot of the time aswell.

I dont think its making up all this stuff but rather pulling it the data from websites etc.

 

[YouTubeSlots]

TBH I read that AI regurgitated nonsense last night and couldn't even summon up the energy to reply. Nothing personal against you I hasten to add, but I have a deep and passionate hatred for AI slop and Gemini really is demonstrating the worst of it there.

As other replies to this thread have already noted, it's a load of contradictory mumbo-jumbo laced with conspiracy theory nonsense, along with some actual facts that it's stolen from people who took the time to put real human effort into writing them down - all smooshed together into a word salad of codswallop that made my brain start to leak out of my ears as I read it.

AI is not capable of original thought so all it's presented to you there is a synthesised digest of everything Google have seen fit to pinch from anywhere and everywhere on the internet, regardless of the integrity and reliability of the sources.

One of my favourite periodic tests of AI is asking it questions about UK fruit machines, the regularity and confidence with which it routinely replies with absolute bollocks is quite the sight to behold.

So in summary, there's definitely a conversation to be had about what's happened to online slots over the years, but AI generated babble definitely isn't the place to start it from.

On a related topic, this came onto my radar the other day, it's an AI generated 'history of Bellfruit', who were one of the major UK fruit machine manufacturers for decades. It's comically, other-wordly bad, I watched the whole thing just to play 'spot the fuck up'.

No nothing against you Choppers! Watched your vids since you started. I just meant that a lot of people chose not to reply to the thread being it was me posting it rather then someone like you. I could be wrong though

 

[ChopleyIOM]

If is it true that immortal romance is paying out of its RTP for wins you can only get in other countries that have bonus buy. Yet the UK player is paying towards these things? seems very wrong to me.

And also that the games are purposely being made worse for the UK market. I just thought the RTP was being nerfed.

I get people saying it churns out any old shit, which it does most of the time. But its also helped me solve lots of problems, and can get stuff right a lot of the time aswell.

I dont think its making up all this stuff but rather pulling it the data from websites etc.

OK then go back and ask it to cite its source for those two claims.

Remember it's programmed to be sycophantic, so when you ask a question that is also stating a position (as your questions did), it will make up answers designed to make you feel clever for asking the question.

 

[Mr Shine]

The idea that RTP is lower on the base game to pay for bonus buys is so mathematically illiterate I can't understand how anybody can believe it. There are 2 streams, and within whichever math model you're playing they both have the same RTP, neither is taking from the other and the lack of a BB makes no difference to basegame play.

 

[YouTubeSlots]

OK then go back and ask it to cite its source for those two claims.

Remember it's programmed to be sycophantic, so when you ask a question that is also stating a position (as your questions did), it will make up answers designed to make you feel clever for asking the question.

No i get that it tries to make you feel really clever and right all the time. Its obvious it does that.

And id rather not ask it anything right now. Spent hours the other night going down rabbit holes on it.

 

[YouTubeSlots]

Ok so i was bored again and asked it to clear up the immortal romance thing and this is what it says.



. The Shared Prize Pool Problem
Most big slots like Immortal Romance run on a global network. The game doesn't have a separate "pot" for the UK and a separate one for the rest of the world. [

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• The Theory: The game is designed to pay out its 96.86% RTP across every single spin made worldwide.
• The Reality: In other countries, players can pay 100x their stake to jump straight into the bonus round. These high-cost "buys" trigger the game's biggest payouts much more frequently than natural spins. [
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• The "Subsidy": Because UK players are restricted to slow, natural spins (taking at least 2.5 seconds each), you are contributing to the same global pool of money that "Bonus Buy" players are draining much faster. You are essentially waiting in a long queue for a prize that someone else is "fast-tracking" to reach.

 

[Mr Shine]

Contributing slower, playing less in on average getting less out on average, but still 96.8% of what you put in.

Gameplay in the UK is exactly the same whether there are millions of Europeans bonus buying round the clock, or if nobody in Europe plays the game at all. No logical way to call it a subsidy.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Ok so i was bored again and asked it to clear up the immortal romance thing and this is what it says.



. The Shared Prize Pool Problem
Most big slots like Immortal Romance run on a global network. The game doesn't have a separate "pot" for the UK and a separate one for the rest of the world. [

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• The Theory: The game is designed to pay out its 96.86% RTP across every single spin made worldwide.
• The Reality: In other countries, players can pay 100x their stake to jump straight into the bonus round. These high-cost "buys" trigger the game's biggest payouts much more frequently than natural spins. [
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• The "Subsidy": Because UK players are restricted to slow, natural spins (taking at least 2.5 seconds each), you are contributing to the same global pool of money that "Bonus Buy" players are draining much faster. You are essentially waiting in a long queue for a prize that someone else is "fast-tracking" to reach.

OK so let's look at what we've got there, the first 'source' it cites is a dead page on a German shipping company's website. (No, really.)

Looking at the URL suggests something may have been there at some point, but whatever, either way it's referring to progressive jackpots which Immortal Romance does not have, unless they're talking about the Mega Moolah variant, which are very much two different things.

The second collection of sources are at least diverse, and present factually correct information, so the AI manages to get the section called 'The Reality' section basically correct.

The third section called 'The Subsidy' is total nonsense, and I note it has no sources for that, I'd go back again and ask it to give you a source on that specifically.

A bonus buy on IR anywhere in the world is a completely independent event from someone doing a regular spin on IR in the UK. They neither know about, or care about, what the other is doing.

Gemini is confidently presenting a lie to you.

 

[YouTubeSlots]

OK so let's look at what we've got there, the first 'source' it cites is a dead page on a German shipping company's website. (No, really.)

Looking at the URL suggests something may have been there at some point, but whatever, either way it's referring to progressive jackpots which Immortal Romance does not have, unless they're talking about the Mega Moolah variant, which are very much two different things.

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The second collection of sources are at least diverse, and present factually correct information, so the AI manages to get the section called 'The Reality' section basically correct.

The third section called 'The Subsidy' is total nonsense, and I note it has no sources for that, I'd go back again and ask it to give you a source on that specifically.

A bonus buy on IR anywhere in the world is a completely independent event from someone doing a regular spin on IR in the UK. They neither know about, or care about, what the other is doing.

Gemini is confidently presenting a lie to you.

I did think it was rage baiting me a bit the more and more it went on. Thanks for clearing things up Choppers!

 

[2Slots]

No i get that it tries to make you feel really clever and right all the time. Its obvious it does that.

And id rather not ask it anything right now. Spent hours the other night going down rabbit holes on it.

I don't use these LLM tools but you should use them the same way that google should have been used in the past.

Google would do similar and present sites that matched your search query so a lot of people would just confirm their opinions if they didn't do other contradictory searches.

Ask it the opposite of whatever you want to know as well i.e. "why are old slots better" and "why are new slots better". That way you get an overview and can make your mind up from the information presented or ask more questions about the contradictions if you want.

The problem with doing it for things like slots and gambling is that most of the information out there seems to be moaning or rigged speculation on forums so you can see why the replies will skew that way.

 

[nisosbar]

There are legitimate reasons to have objections to anonymous no-KYC casino play, but one of the biggest pluses to it is the implicit truth that your play is very unlikely to be nerfed so as to make sure you - as an individual player - never win too much. So that if it's true that play sucks now compare to before, then it's not just you, it's the casino or the slot provider.

 

[Webzcas]

Always have to be careful of AI hallucinations whether it be a cloud based service like Claude and GPT or your own locally run LLM's.

I have my own local setup, running on a M3 Ultra Mac Studio which is capable of running 70b parameter models like Deepseek. I use it with cursor and it is amazing what it can do re vibe coding.

But, always always make sure you have the necessary guard rails in place. Otherwise you could end up in the same position as the person responsible for the IT of PocketOS!!!

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