Why do new slots seem to pay better?

[spindoctor99]

So I'm just curious about this. I noticed for a long time that any new slot seemed to pay out regularly but once it was "old" it basically paid nothing like it did before.

This wasn't just a rare occurrence either - on loads of new slots it would be far easier to get bonuses and decent wins but if you played them a year or two later they were as cold as a corpse.
I noticed watching a few streamers who commented the same thing when playing a brand new slot and then six months later it was almost as if it had been turned off.

I realize its down to luck however I was wondering whether the algorithms internally change based on the number of users that are playing it? Generally there would be a lot more users playing a new release slot. Is this just a psychological thing that they feel luckier?

 

[goon1303]

Unless there are decent payouts in the early days, people aren't going to rush in and play. That's the rationale I suppose. Essentialy a case of turning off the taps!!

 

[Mr Shine]

It's a matter of confirmation bias, you experience more of a rush the first time so you remrember it better. Also all the streamers will be playing the game when it's new so big wins on it will be more visible.

 

[satchnz]

This happens without a doubt.

I briefly discussed it in another thread but there is a Sweet Bonanza style game from BGaming that I play regularly called Face Off. it has an onscreen counter of how many spins you’ve made since your last bonus landed. When it first came out, I was regularly hitting the bonus within 100 spins consistently.

Then one day something changed, and now over many sessions across three different casinos, my count in this game on two of the casinos is 350-375. On another it is over 450. That’s roughly 1,200 spins I’ve put through this slot over three casinos without landing a bonus on any of them.
** I went to post screenshots of the three counts but I had to clear my browsing history yesterday (I hate HATE doing so and it’s a last resort) and therefore lost all of my counts on this game .

This is a common theme I see across most new slots I play. This is one of the reasons I will only play Prags when they are newly released. They get nerfed pretty quickly.

 

[DreamRJ]

Well when Dan moved to pragmatic he stated that slots do not get a release day RTP - It just feels that they do and peoples suspicions and what not make you think they are "hotter" when in fact they are not.

I am not denying that when I play new slots on the first day of release I am more lucky on them but it evens out. I would say about 50/50 in the long run.

It is not a bad idea to play the new slots on release day though but the RTP is not increased and the RNG can not be altered either as everyone should know. Turning the RTP up remotely is actually dodgy and if they get caught doing that then they can get their licenses revoked and fined or worse.

Why would these big slot providers even risk this? Audits are done all the time. Every slot provider has to keep all logs as well.

 

[SYPlayer95]

Well when Dan moved to pragmatic he stated that slots do not get a release day RTP - It just feels that they do and peoples suspicions and what not make you think they are "hotter" when in fact they are not.

I am not denying that when I play new slots on the first day of release I am more lucky on them but it evens out. I would say about 50/50 in the long run.

It is not a bad idea to play the new slots on release day though but the RTP is not increased and the RNG can not be altered either as everyone should know. Turning the RTP up remotely is actually dodgy and if they get caught doing that then they can get their licenses revoked and fined or worse.

Why would these big slot providers even risk this? Audits are done all the time. Every slot provider has to keep all logs as well.

I'm not having a go by any means but, you do realise corruption happens in every industry.

They risk it because of the money to be made.

 

[DreamRJ]

I'm not having a go by any means but, you do realise corruption happens in every industry.

They risk it because of the money to be made.

I will make you a tin foil hat then.

You obviously do not want to believe it to be the case and just want to think they would risk it.

I am not denying that there is a chance they would. Most people knew what happened with RTG slots and casinos that had the facility to change the RTP when ever they wanted. But when they changed the RTP on those slots it was not in real time and the player would still need to have closed the slot and reopened it to get the new updated RTP setting. Or they forced the slots to crash by causing their servers to have a disconnection to force the player to close the slot etc.

I am not saying this does not happen with big providers now but lowering RTP is one thing but altering the RNG is a big no no because if they alter the maths and the RNG the slots would need to be taken offline until they got retested and verified before they would be allowed to go live again.

 

[satchnz]

Personally I’ve never mentioned corruption in the number posts I’ve made about this subject. I think whatever they do is still within regulations and still hits RTP, but in a different shape.

 

[Casinos Hate Winners]

So I'm just curious about this. I noticed for a long time that any new slot seemed to pay out regularly but once it was "old" it basically paid nothing like it did before.

This wasn't just a rare occurrence either - on loads of new slots it would be far easier to get bonuses and decent wins but if you played them a year or two later they were as cold as a corpse.
I noticed watching a few streamers who commented the same thing when playing a brand new slot and then six months later it was almost as if it had been turned off.

I realize its down to luck however I was wondering whether the algorithms internally change based on the number of users that are playing it? Generally there would be a lot more users playing a new release slot. Is this just a psychological thing that they feel luckier?

This is actually an interesting topic, and I have heard this opinion quite often even from people who work in the industry. I myself have hit max wins several times in newly released slots: a 20 000x in Emerald King Rainbow Road by Pragmatic and a 50 000x in Bandits Thunder Link by StakeLogic. But even so, part of me thinks this is just another stereotype and that in my case it was coincidence, and that at least among major providers, given the regulatory environment, this should not be possible. Then I remember how Bernie Madoff fooled the SEC, the central banks of several European countries, and half the world for 19 years, and I start thinking there might be something to it after all.

As for bonus frequency, I am confident this part is clean. If a bonus round is set to hit once every 200 spins on average, then over the long run that is exactly what will happen. And of course we tend to ignore the times when a bonus drops on the first or second spin, and we only remember the streaks where it does not appear for 500 spins in a row, but that is normal.

 

[DreamRJ]

Personally I’ve never mentioned corruption in the number posts I’ve made about this subject. I think whatever they do is still within regulations and still hits RTP, but in a different shape.

Well yeah there will always be things that they might be able to do without it affecting the RTP or RNG for obvious reasons.

There is always loopholes.

 

[SYPlayer95]

I will make you a tin foil hat then.

You obviously do not want to believe it to be the case and just want to think they would risk it.

I am not denying that there is a chance they would. Most people knew what happened with RTG slots and casinos that had the facility to change the RTP when ever they wanted. But when they changed the RTP on those slots it was not in real time and the player would still need to have closed the slot and reopened it to get the new updated RTP setting. Or they forced the slots to crash by causing their servers to have a disconnection to force the player to close the slot etc.

I am not saying this does not happen with big providers now but lowering RTP is one thing but altering the RNG is a big no no because if they alter the maths and the RNG the slots would need to be taken offline until they got retested and verified before they would be allowed to go live again.

You're welcome to do so.

But you've literally just after saying you'll make me a tin foil hat, acknowledge that there are circumstances or instances it does happen.

Very strange.

 

[johnnymcc1966]

Anywhere where there is serious money to be made will attract snake oil salesmen/women,in any guise. Some of these may be involved in the game programming side,some may be in the fake licencing department while others could just as well be the usual bribery merchants. It can happen therefore it does and in many different ways.

 

[steveh35]

So I'm just curious about this. I noticed for a long time that any new slot seemed to pay out regularly but once it was "old" it basically paid nothing like it did before.

This wasn't just a rare occurrence either - on loads of new slots it would be far easier to get bonuses and decent wins but if you played them a year or two later they were as cold as a corpse.
I noticed watching a few streamers who commented the same thing when playing a brand new slot and then six months later it was almost as if it had been turned off.

I realize its down to luck however I was wondering whether the algorithms internally change based on the number of users that are playing it? Generally there would be a lot more users playing a new release slot. Is this just a psychological thing that they feel luckier?

They used to but in my experience this is no longer the case, before the lowering of rtp playing new games seemed to be the way, maybe they had some sort of introductory boost for first day but I try new games and they seem to now be just the same as any other game.

 

[toslotornot]

This happens without a doubt.

I briefly discussed it in another thread but there is a Sweet Bonanza style game from BGaming that I play regularly called Face Off. it has an onscreen counter of how many spins you’ve made since your last bonus landed. When it first came out, I was regularly hitting the bonus within 100 spins consistently.

Then one day something changed, and now over many sessions across three different casinos, my count in this game on two of the casinos is 350-375. On another it is over 450. That’s roughly 1,200 spins I’ve put through this slot over three casinos without landing a bonus on any of them.
** I went to post screenshots of the three counts but I had to clear my browsing history yesterday (I hate HATE doing so and it’s a last resort) and therefore lost all of my counts on this game .

This is a common theme I see across most new slots I play. This is one of the reasons I will only play Prags when they are newly released. They get nerfed pretty quickly.

tried it out in funmode took 728 spins ! (1.00 per spin) and paid 193.1x (down 38.40 at end of all that)
the game info says the bonus round frequency is 1 in 395.35 spins

 

[Webzcas]

Interesting observation and possibly ie very likely this could be a kind of placebo effect in play here. As the slot is new to you so speak. But I would be surprised that new slots are launched with high RTP's only for said RTP to be dialled down after a couple of weeks.

But welcome to be proven wrong. In other words, an educated guess on my part.

 

[itsme123]

Wouldnt it be more likely that a new slot would get more traffic in the first few days which will naturally start to drop off after the first few weeks?
And if there are more people playing, higher amount of spin turnover, wouldnt that lead to an uptick in the bigger wins for the first few days?
Or am I just talking sh**e again

 

[spindoctor99]

Wouldnt it be more likely that a new slot would get more traffic in the first few days which will naturally start to drop off after the first few weeks?
And if there are more people playing, higher amount of spin turnover, wouldnt that lead to an uptick in the bigger wins for the first few days?
Or am I just talking sh**e again

That's what I was thinking too. I was always a fan of playngo and all of my big hits were on new playngo slots. After six months they were basically dead cold.

 

[satchnz]

tried it out in funmode took 728 spins ! (1.00 per spin) and paid 193.1x (down 38.40 at end of all that)
the game info says the bonus round frequency is 1 in 395.35 spins

Yes that’s what I am experiencing now. The first 2-3 weeks I’d bonus almost every session (never more than 100 spins). This is with the extra bet on for a total stake of 0.25

Interesting observation and possibly ie very likely this could be a kind of placebo effect in play here. As the slot is new to you so speak. But I would be surprised that new slots are launched with high RTP's only for said RTP to be dialled down after a couple of weeks.

But welcome to be proven wrong. In other words, an educated guess on my part.

I very highly doubt anyone is raising and lowering the RTP of new slots.

Wouldnt it be more likely that a new slot would get more traffic in the first few days which will naturally start to drop off after the first few weeks?
And if there are more people playing, higher amount of spin turnover, wouldnt that lead to an uptick in the bigger wins for the first few days?
Or am I just talking sh**e again

Whether or not one person, or the entire population is playing a particular new slot, that will not change your personal experience playing the same slot. Sure you might see streamers etc getting huge wins on a new slot that they play much more often, but I’m purely talking about my personal experience. Not what I see elsewhere.

 

[avfcalex23]

100x new releases pay better. I do not care for statistics, legalities, RTP and RNG. Without a shadow of a doubt new releases pay better than they will a few weeks down the line.

I regularly play, and mainly only play big bass pragmatic slot games. When big bass bonus boxing round came out on the first day I hit my biggest win and haven’t topped it in months following. Last night (I’ve posted in winner screenshots December) I had 7 features in 38 minutes on new big bass splash 1000 and made a tidy 250’dollars off a fiver deposit.

In addition to the above, the slots are programmed to act in certain ways. I know when I’m about to land a feature (big bass Halloween is my go to on the regular) - if scatters are dropping every spin on their own with no teases, the three scatters will be landing very soon. Every bonus is programmed the same, or at least you know how it’s going to pan out. Back to back fishermen on these slots on the first two feee spins will usually mean the feature is going to pay 100x. Alternatively, the majority of features don’t drop a fisherman until the last 4 spins, and you’ll regularly land 3 and not reach the x2 re trigger. I can also confidently predict when a fisherman is going to land based on where the fish land on the reels - I know this sounds mental and you’ll call me crazy but I’ve done hundreds of thousands of spins on these slots and I’m right in what I’m saying.

I’ll maybe try and do some sort of YouTube video commentary on one of my sessions on big bass Halloween and try to predict certain occasions before they land. Will be interesting to see who’s then on board with what I’m saying.

The slots are not random. RTP is over millions of test spins so in theory you could or should go thousands of spins without features. Sometimes you’ll land back to back features over 2 spins. Then nothing for hundreds of spins. Pragmatic also has a tendency to drop reels of full fish on reel 1, 2 & 4, 5. Reel 3 will be left completely empty. It’s a regular occurrence. That’s not random lol. That’s programmed, whether you like to admit it or not.

I’ve also found higher RTP sites such as slot temple may give you more bonuses, but these will suck and pay around 10-20x regularly. Lower RTP sites you’ll wait a bit longer for a feature but it will pay much bigger. I actually stay away from slots temple now as I don’t really think a .5% RTP difference actually makes a single bit of difference, not especially in the short term anyway.

 

[Casinos Hate Winners]

In addition to the above, the slots are programmed to act in certain ways. I know when I’m about to land a feature (big bass Halloween is my go to on the regular) - if scatters are dropping every spin on their own with no teases, the three scatters will be landing very soon. Every bonus is programmed the same, or at least you know how it’s going to pan out. Back to back fishermen on these slots on the first two feee spins will usually mean the feature is going to pay 100x. Alternatively, the majority of features don’t drop a fisherman until the last 4 spins, and you’ll regularly land 3 and not reach the x2 re trigger. I can also confidently predict when a fisherman is going to land based on where the fish land on the reels - I know this sounds mental and you’ll call me crazy but I’ve done hundreds of thousands of spins on these slots and I’m right in what I’m saying.

I’ll maybe try and do some sort of YouTube video commentary on one of my sessions on big bass Halloween and try to predict certain occasions before they land. Will be interesting to see who’s then on board with what I’m saying.

No one has ever been able to predict random events. Certified fair slots with a tested RNG have no patterns at all.

Well, except for something like this: if three paws land in The Dog House, it means you get a bonus round. But that’s a joke, not a pattern — it’s just a rule.

 

[snorky510238]

This is undoubtedly how FOBT roulette became a license to print money. I even believe that Global Draw set the rtp to over 100% in the early stages, knowing that once people were sucked in, they could lower it to whatever they wanted and the money would literally pour in.