How do they allow slots like Vampy Slots? - Bonus Buy experience

[spindoctor99]

I often wonder how slots like Vampy slots are allowed. Its probably one of the most volatile and fucked up slots I have ever played. Pragmatic Play has been bringing out some dogshit slots but ones like Vampy Party shouldn't exist. There should be a rule where bonus buys have a minimum win ie a bonus you purchase should not have a zero or 2% return.

Its now on my permanent banned list as a slot. It either takes all your money or you get a win but as a statistic 90% of the bonus buys pay less than the buy cost. 40% of the bonus buys pay 10% or less of the bonus buys. Worst was when I managed 3 retriggers.. got up to 512X multiplier with a total of 26 free spins and it paid less than the bonus buy.
Slot providers seem to be bringing out these high volatility slots, but laced with a gamble feature it just makes it a loss most of the time.

 

[dunover]

Luckily the destructive pleasure of bonus buying is banned for us in the UK but watching The Bandit playing the game is enough for me. A low hit rate in the bonus, a rather pathetic max pay of 5,000x considering the volatility of it overall and the constant appearance of two scatters in the bonus is irksome.

If you actually analyse the gamble on bonus buys, it's not too far from the NLC 'God Mode' kind of maths only there's a few in-between results other than max pay and nothing on the 256x start, which explain the paltry 5,000x max pay.

 

[conker]

For me. the introduction of 'bonus buys' was the moment that the slots industry really started eating itself. I believe BTG were one of the first to really push it and they managed to get streamers pumping out video after video of them 'buying the bonus' time after time - only ever showing videos of big wins.

The reality of bonus buys is you have far more negative balance experiences than positive ones. I can see how this instantly leads to chasing losses, and then the problems start.

I believe the UK were right to outlaw them. Maybe other countries just don't understand what they are or the potential damage they can cause.

As you can probably tell, I am not a fan of BBs

 

[conker]

Ever so slightly adjusted the title, just so the subject of the thread is clearer.

 

[ritae]

Never forgiven Extra Chilli for 38 (yes thirty eight) 50/50 lost gambles in a row. Gambler mentallity of keep going until it wins.

 

[Reelsoffun]

I’m not calling you a liar but that seems incredibly unlikely, and mathematically the chance of that happening is over 274 billion to 1 ( 274,877,906,944 ) to be exact.

I would expect a little exaggeration on your part or your counting the times you won the 50/50 and lost the next blue one as a loss?

 

[spindoctor99]

Personally I think its also down to the casino. I've been using Winz a lot and I've come to the conclusion that its just a garbage casino. There have been moments where I've thought it was half decent however I have never been this unlucky at an online casino before... and perhaps that is just bad luck but it gets frustrating when 95% of all deposits are a loss.

 

[spindoctor99]

Never forgiven Extra Chilli for 38 (yes thirty eight) 50/50 lost gambles in a row. Gambler mentallity of keep going until it wins.

I have seen people lose over 50 straight gambles on Vampy Party. Even when they say you have 52% chance of winning it means nothing.

 

[Reelsoffun]

I have seen people lose over 50 straight gambles on Vampy Party. Even when they say you have 52% chance of winning it means nothing.

What’s with all the exaggerated comments all of a sudden? Come on, you have not seen people ( implying more than one ) lose a 52% chance of winning 50 times in a row.

That’s a 1 in 8,500 trillion ( 8.5 quadrillion ) I smell BS, or some seriously rigged shit going on.

 

[slot_zombie]

For me. the introduction of 'bonus buys' was the moment that the slots industry really started eating itself. I believe BTG were one of the first to really push it and they managed to get streamers pumping out video after video of them 'buying the bonus' time after time - only ever showing videos of big wins.

The reality of bonus buys is you have far more negative balance experiences than positive ones. I can see how this instantly leads to chasing losses, and then the problems start.

I believe the UK were right to outlaw them. Maybe other countries just don't understand what they are or the potential damage they can cause.

As you can probably tell, I am not a fan of BBs

BTG have a lot to answer for in hindsight. Bonus buys, Megacrapways, plus Bonanza was the start of "high volatility" and silly theoretical x win possibilities and the rest of the industry followed like sheep.

And here we are.

 

[kg2025]

For me. the introduction of 'bonus buys' was the moment that the slots industry really started eating itself. I believe BTG were one of the first to really push it and they managed to get streamers pumping out video after video of them 'buying the bonus' time after time - only ever showing videos of big wins.

The reality of bonus buys is you have far more negative balance experiences than positive ones. I can see how this instantly leads to chasing losses, and then the problems start.

I believe the UK were right to outlaw them. Maybe other countries just don't understand what they are or the potential damage they can cause.

As you can probably tell, I am not a fan of BBs

This 100% , I went back playing slots about 4 years ago after a break of 8 or so years. All these bonus buys , ante bets , high variance etc . I've gone 1400 spins before without a bonus, other times playing for an hour and a half to hit one . I used to go mad if I didn't get a bonus within 500 spins , now it's sort of the norm. Now if I've a nice win I stop playing because the odds of getting another are so low. Whereas before you could take a risk but it did work out a good few times . It's seems they're trying to bleed you dry nowadays

 

[Quickwin]

I once lost 150K Kroner (around 15K USD) bonus buying dog house megaways at Rizk, I did like $2-3 worth of bonuses ($200-300) bonuses and not ONE single bonus paid me more than my original bonus buy, I decided to continue till I get at least one good bonus and it took all my money, truely disgusting.

 

[spindoctor99]

What’s with all the exaggerated comments all of a sudden? Come on, you have not seen people ( implying more than one ) lose a 52% chance of winning 50 times in a row.

That’s a 1 in 8,500 trillion ( 8.5 quadrillion ) I smell BS, or some seriously rigged shit going on.

No its not, what a peanut comment. Statistically you could throw a coin 200 times and get a head every time. Its unlikely but the fact remains every single throw is 50/50. Much like the gambles on these slots. For the record, I purchased 28 Vampy Bonus buys. All were a loss. I also purchased the $15.60 bonus buy 38 times and not once did I reach 256X bonus.... and yes I watched someone live stream and he tried gambling upto 256X on Vampy Party and gave up over 60 attempts. So if you have nothing constructive to offer apart from accusing people of making shit up how about you keep you opinions to yourself

How about you hop onto the Pragmatic website, buy the 15.60 bonus and gamble up to 256X and come back with your findings.

 

[SpinUk]

“You could throw 200 a coin and get heads” - yea that is roughly the same odds of the same numbers hitting the UK national lottery jackpot 8 times in a row, not really in the realms of reality.

For context, 20 times head is still about 1 in a million. The results on the gamble on this game - if true - stick out like a sore thumb for an adaptive algorithm (that can still tick the “random” legal threshold).

 

[Reelsoffun]

No its not, what a peanut comment. Statistically you could throw a coin 200 times and get a head every time. Its unlikely but the fact remains every single throw is 50/50. Much like the gambles on these slots. For the record, I purchased 28 Vampy Bonus buys. All were a loss. I also purchased the $15.60 bonus buy 38 times and not once did I reach 256X bonus.... and yes I watched someone live stream and he tried gambling upto 256X on Vampy Party and gave up over 60 attempts. So if you have nothing constructive to offer apart from accusing people of making shit up how about you keep you opinions to yourself

How about you hop onto the Pragmatic website, buy the 15.60 bonus and gamble up to 256X and come back with your findings.

Well the fact that you changed what you said just shows you don’t know what your talking about, one minute your saying you lost 50 straight 52% ers in a row the next it’s didn’t reach the 256x they are not the same mathematically. People who don’t fully understand the math of these gambles are exactly the people these gambles are aimed at. So I still maintain my original comment.

As for being constructive, I am being, by explaining the math people can make their own mind up if it was worth it, and as you have probably worked out they not a great proposition.

Put it in context and get real, you don’t expect to win from every base spin on a slot? So why would you be surprised that so many bonus buys give you less? No logic at all. It’s the same thing only much higher stakes, but the same math still applies many have to lose to pay for the max wins.

And I don’t need to come back with findings I already know how slot math works I have worked on enough to know thanks.

 

[dunover]

Gambling up on Scampy is like doing a multi-horse accumulator with odds-on or evens choices.
Each individual gamble looks feasible but when the odds stack up for 6 or 7 gambles to attain the 256x start then you're looking at in excess of 10-1 (no, not worked it out exactly!) so failing for 30 attempts is not that unlikely, it's deviating from EV but not that significantly.

 

[Reelsoffun]

If the displayed odds are correct, the overall chance of getting to the x256 is once in approximately 22 attempts. So losing 21 out of 22 is expectation. That’s the reality of going for a straight x256 start… Clear enough?

 

[SpinUk]

If the displayed odds are correct, the overall chance of getting to the x256 is once in approximately 22 attempts. So losing 21 out of 22 is expectation. That’s the reality of going for a straight x256 start… Clear enough?

On 50 attempts at it, its a 90% chance (or 10% to not get it). 10% is certainly in the realms of what happens (unfortunately).

 

[slot_zombie]

Vampy's clone exclusively at Stake was one of the most popular games at the weekend with over 200 concurrent players. Shakes head.

Unfortunately this will only encourage this style of game design..

 

[spindoctor99]

Well the fact that you changed what you said just shows you don’t know what your talking about, one minute your saying you lost 50 straight 52% ers in a row the next it’s didn’t reach the 256x they are not the same mathematically. People who don’t fully understand the math of these gambles are exactly the people these gambles are aimed at. So I still maintain my original comment.

As for being constructive, I am being, by explaining the math people can make their own mind up if it was worth it, and as you have probably worked out they not a great proposition.

Put it in context and get real, you don’t expect to win from every base spin on a slot? So why would you be surprised that so many bonus buys give you less? No logic at all. It’s the same thing only much higher stakes, but the same math still applies many have to lose to pay for the max wins.

And I don’t need to come back with findings I already know how slot math works I have worked on enough to know thanks.

No, I said I lose gambles which is correct. I never said every time I pressed gamble it lost. What a sad human you are, trying to look for arguments on a gambling site to look more superior. The fact your on here going on abouts maths says a lot about you as a human... trying to prove a point when noone gives a shit.

No, we all know when we purchase bonus buys we won't win them all but most people (except people like you) have an understanding that when you make a bonus buy for free spins it shouldn't constantly give 1x or 5x. The last thing we need on this forum is some scrub who sits and defends the slots.

 

[spindoctor99]

One thing I find "unusual" and a bit off is if I have a good run on Vampy Party at Winz all of a sudden the bonus buy purchase is not available at that currency. I have to switch to a more expensive currency. I've had Winz look into it but its happened numerous times. For example if I happen to get on a run, all of a sudden the AU currency won't work and I have to switch to Euro which is way more expensive. A week later out of the blue I can purchase them on AU .. and it just goes on like that. You can rinse your balance easily on this slot, I'm not a fan of doing it even faster when my currency is gone.

 

[Reelsoffun]

. What a sad human you are, trying to look for arguments on a gambling site to look more superior. The fact your on here going on abouts maths says a lot about you as a human... trying to prove a point when noone gives a shit.

I’m not looking for arguments but the very core of this site is all about transparency and facts so when people post stuff that’s not in the spirit of that then yes I’m gonna question it and reply with facts, if that makes me sad and says a lot about me as a human, then what you even doing here when 90% of the site users are the same.

And for your information I’m not defending the slots, I don’t play vampy party and countless others for the exact reasons you have posted, their evil math models.

Not all slots or bonus buys are equal, but there is a fair few that can, will and do give very poor returns eg 1x and 5x that you describe, that’s just how the math has to be and if you can’t handle that then you shouldn’t play them, rather than have a go at people that are trying to explain to you how bad those slots really are. I’m pretty sure had you known before you started that only 1 out of 22 attempts of getting to x256 was the true odds you may have not even started playing it. And maybe that fact will help someone avoid falling into the same trap as you did.

 

[conker]

@spindoctor99 and @Reelsoffun lets leave it there shall we. I think a difference of opinion is fine and healthy, but there a few blows being traded which are starting to get a bit close to breaking the terms at the forum.

My advice would be to 'agree to disagree' and move on. If any further insults pop up then I will dish out a warning.

 

[spindoctor99]

@spindoctor99 and @Reelsoffun lets leave it there shall we. I think a difference of opinion is fine and healthy, but there a few blows being traded which are starting to get a bit close to breaking the terms at the forum.

My advice would be to 'agree to disagree' and move on. If any further insults pop up then I will dish out a warning.

Alright I'll be good.