Lottomart New BTG Game Stakes

[johnnymcc1966]

I am a big fan of Lottomart,both for their games and especially Mark who is excellent rep on here and a very frequent poster. I was delighted to see a range of 'new' BTG slots introduced to Lottomart such as Outlaws Megaways,Wild Flower,Lil Devil,Christmas Bonanza as I like to play those games now and again on other sites. My usual stake on BTG is 0.50 or 0.60 and both those stakes are available elsewhere as the £1 stake is a bit high for me and the 0.40 is not high enough. The problem is that on Outlaws and Christmas Bonanza the only stakes they do under £1 are 0.20,0.40 and then it jumps all the way to £1. This is a hell of a jump in terms of stakes. Is this just Lottomart or are other casinos doing it too? Seems a large bump to have to up your stake 250% in one go.

Thoughts?

 

[justdoit]

I am a big fan of Lottomart,both for their games and especially Mark who is excellent rep on here and a very frequent poster. I was delighted to see a range of 'new' BTG slots introduced to Lottomart such as Outlaws Megaways,Wild Flower,Lil Devil,Christmas Bonanza as I like to play those games now and again on other sites. My usual stake on BTG is 0.50 or 0.60 and both those stakes are available elsewhere as the £1 stake is a bit high for me and the 0.40 is not high enough. The problem is that on Outlaws and Christmas Bonanza the only stakes they do under £1 are 0.20,0.40 and then it jumps all the way to £1. This is a hell of a jump in terms of stakes. Is this just Lottomart or are other casinos doing it too? Seems a large bump to have to up your stake 250% in one go.

Thoughts?

other casinos bet jump by 20p, like 20p 40p 60p 80p £1, over £1 jump by £1

 

[justdoit]

@Mark_Lottomart

 

[snorky510238]

other casinos bet jump by 20p, like 20p 40p 60p 80p £1, over £1 jump by £1

I like the option that some Casinos have, which makes £1.20, £1.40, etc, available.

P.S. Well, I did before they made it impossible to hit the bonus.

 

[dunover]

There are numerous stake permutations on BTG slots. The standard is 20p increments to £1 then 2, 4, 5, 10, 20. Some apply the 20p steps all the way from £1 to £4 so 1.60, 3.20 etc. are possible. I have never heard of them missing certain 20p increments out below £1 though....

 

[snorky510238]

Unibet doesn’t have 80p available but I have always thought that was accidental. Don’t know how it would happen though. I mean, what would be the point?

 

[Guntis]

On Bonanza i was playing yesterday at a crypto site was 0.2, 0.4, 0.6, 0.8, 1, 2, 4, 5, 10, 15, 20

 

[Mark_Lottomart]

Thanks @johnnymcc1966 I’ll get this checked out.

 

[Muppet]

Recently Mansion88 BTG games changed their stakes to 1,2,3,4,5,10 for the majority of their games. The only two games with lower than $1 stakes were Gold Megaways (0.25) and Lildevil (0.5). Bets used to be 0.60, 0.90, 1.20 etc before the changes. Very annoyed since I had quite a number of hearts collected on lildevil and now they have basically reset to 0.

 

[Valhalla]

Oh these games are available on LottoMart now? Happy days.
Has Wild Unicorn been added as well? I'm half way through a 30-day time out so can't check yet.

Mark also added Laser Fruit after I requested it, but it's the awful progressive version with hourly/daily "drops" so I don't play it :/

 

[justdoit]

Recently Mansion88 BTG games changed their stakes to 1,2,3,4,5,10 for the majority of their games. The only two games with lower than $1 stakes were Gold Megaways (0.25) and Lildevil (0.5). Bets used to be 0.60, 0.90, 1.20 etc before the changes. Very annoyed since I had quite a number of hearts collected on lildevil and now they have basically reset to 0.

SKYvegas also change min bets to 30p on many games

 

[satchnz]

I’ve never understood why some slots don’t offer bet increments of 0.20 from min to max bet. After all it’s just a calculation in terms of the paytable. They claim the RTP is the same for all bet amounts, but is it?… Does the volatility profile change at higher stakes?

 

[Reelsoffun]

Recently Mansion88 BTG games changed their stakes to 1,2,3,4,5,10 for the majority of their games. The only two games with lower than $1 stakes were Gold Megaways (0.25) and Lildevil (0.5). Bets used to be 0.60, 0.90, 1.20 etc before the changes. Very annoyed since I had quite a number of hearts collected on lildevil and now they have basically reset to 0.

Yes very annoying @Team.Videoslots @Mr Wild Lil Devil has all been reset back to 0 hearts on all stakes AGAIN ( twice in the last year or so ) Which has pissed me off, the first time I had some over 35 collected on several stakes, which is a huge loss to the player but got sod all compensation.

This time i had less collected but its a joke that they are allowed to reset collectables like this, in fact from my understanding of the UKGC rules any broken game round or update needed to reset a game, the collected status should be restored to pre error or reset levels eg return the player to the point they were before as if nothing had happened.?

Anyway this was the final straw, and I will no longer be playing Lil Devil EVER again, if casinos can abuse this and clearly are, what else can and are they getting away with

 

[Jono777]

Yeah, totally unfair and inconsiderate.

I do recall in the "good old days" of slotting that if/when this happened the casino at the time would compensate in some form or another.

Remember TSII and IR being reset more than once so basically could only choose the 10FS @ x5 option until I'd unlocked the rest again and I'd be given anything between £20 cash or £50 bonus with low wagering req. Never going to happen these days at any casinos.

 

[Jd666]

Yes very annoying @Team.Videoslots @Mr Wild Lil Devil has all been reset back to 0 hearts on all stakes AGAIN ( twice in the last year or so ) Which has pissed me off, the first time I had some over 35 collected on several stakes, which is a huge loss to the player but got sod all compensation.

This time i had less collected but its a joke that they are allowed to reset collectables like this, in fact from my understanding of the UKGC rules any broken game round or update needed to reset a game, the collected status should be restored to pre error or reset levels eg return the player to the point they were before as if nothing had happened.?

Anyway this was the final straw, and I will no longer be playing Lil Devil EVER again, if casinos can abuse this and clearly are, what else can and are they getting away with

White Rabbit been reset as well

 

[snorky510238]

Please restrict Bonanza to 20p for god sake. Must have wagered over a £1,000 at Lottomart without seeing 1 ***ing bonus!

 

[slotmaster]

White Rabbit been reset as well

Same with Monopoly but kinda worked out well for me, only had the 1 bet level that kinda had built up, all the others were cleared.

 

[snorky510238]

If the other BTG games play as badly as Bonanza does at Lottomart, then avoid like the plague. I have played some disgusting versions of the game at many Casinos on many an occasion but their version is next level filth.

 

[Mark_Lottomart]

If the other BTG games play as badly as Bonanza does at Lottomart, then avoid like the plague. I have played some disgusting versions of the game at many Casinos on many an occasion but their version is next level filth.

Ah shit @snorky510238 you got me here. I asked if it was possible to only give you access the “next level filth” version. We’d reserved it for @johnnymcc1966 or @JGslots but they never played so we reallocated. The whole company were actually watching your session on a large screen while we all ate peanuts and sniggered. They were actually due to upgrade you to the “ultimate filth” version at the end of the month. I’ll drop them a line and say that’s no longer appropriate and we’ll put you on the “You’ll defo win as it’s a slot” variation.

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Drop me a PM mate and I’m happy to review a bad session, but please don’t be fooled by the “Casino X has a shit version”, there’s an RNG who deals the luck. You know that.

Mark

 

[Schind]

I signed up with Lottomart about three weeks ago. Absolute filth on all slots and slingo for two weeks (my overall RTP was 70 odd %) but then I finally hit the good reels on Bonanza that pop up every month or so. 15 bonuses in 3700 spins over three days on Lottomart. Nothing massive but four at 200x plus and even the base game being over 100% a lot of the time.
Of course, being the compensated game that it is, it's gone back to shite again, on all casinos. Back in the mid 50% mode for long periods and, as of now, 1328 spins since my last feature.
Time to give it a rest for three weeks until the next good reels turn up.

It's weird seeing 50p stakes on Slingos here. Can't recall seeing that before on the games I play apart from Centurion which has 50p everywhere.

 

[snorky510238]

Ah shit @snorky510238 you got me here. I asked if it was possible to only give you access the “next level filth” version. We’d reserved it for @johnnymcc1966 or @JGslots but they never played so we reallocated. The whole company were actually watching your session on a large screen while we all ate peanuts and sniggered. They were actually due to upgrade you to the “ultimate filth” version at the end of the month. I’ll drop them a line and say that’s no longer appropriate and we’ll put you on the “You’ll defo win as it’s a slot” variation.

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Drop me a PM mate and I’m happy to review a bad session, but please don’t be fooled by the “Casino X has a shit version”, there’s an RNG who deals the luck. You know that.

Mark

There are different versions. Sky had a bespoke one that had no scatters available in the Maxways. Lottomart have the old skin, as do a few others.

 

[snorky510238]

Welcome to Lottomart. Never had such an atrocious introduction to a Casino. Deposit after deposit, straight down the plug hole in record time. It’s like playing games that are broken.

 

[Mark_Lottomart]

Welcome to Lottomart. Never had such an atrocious introduction to a Casino. Deposit after deposit, straight down the plug hole in record time. It’s like playing games that are broken.

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Sorry to hear you’ve had a bad introduction to Lottomart. Sometimes the RNG isn’t always so generous, did you know that actually the games are designed for the house to win? Not sure if that’s known on this forum.

I’ve frozen your account so you can’t spend any more on the broken games. Let me know if you ever want to reopen and I’ll pass your request to the relevant teams.

Best wishes.
Mark

 

[snorky510238]

Sorry to hear you’ve had a bad introduction to Lottomart. Sometimes the RNG isn’t always so generous, did you know that actually the games are designed for the house to win? Not sure if that’s known on this forum.

I’ve frozen your account so you can’t spend any more on the broken games. Let me know if you ever want to reopen and I’ll pass your request to the relevant teams.

Best wishes.
Mark

Yes, of course the house wins. Care to post my rtp?

 

[Reelsoffun]

White Rabbit been reset as well

Yeah kind of makes you wonder what happens to all of that “locked in value” when hundreds if not thousands of players have countless slots on countless stakes on multiple sites all reset back to 0 often more than once, ( looking at you VS ) and the fact it opens up a potential for any casino to abuse.

If I worked for the UKGC, I would have had this addressed way before banning auto play, tbh I would just ban games with any kind of collection either implied or not. History has taught us already that any grey area in the rules, providers will try and exploit, and the UKGC have really fallen asleep at the wheel on this one.

A collection type game is far more dangerous to chase than a well implemented autoplay ( eg loss limit, spin limit ) that’s for sure.

 

[irish-ranger]

Welcome to Lottomart. Never had such an atrocious introduction to a Casino. Deposit after deposit, straight down the plug hole in record time. It’s like playing games that are broken.

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Mate seriously would you not consider calling it a day before it tottaly ruins you?.your chasing somthing which your never gonna get and trust me you'll only think you'll miss it.

 

[snorky510238]

Sorry to hear you’ve had a bad introduction to Lottomart. Sometimes the RNG isn’t always so generous, did you know that actually the games are designed for the house to win? Not sure if that’s known on this forum.

I’ve frozen your account so you can’t spend any more on the broken games. Let me know if you ever want to reopen and I’ll pass your request to the relevant teams.

Best wishes.
Mark

I take it, posting my rtp doesn’t suit the agenda. Also known as selective posting.

 

[snorky510238]

Mate seriously would you not consider calling it a day before it tottaly ruins you?.your chasing somthing which your never gonna get and trust me you'll only think you'll miss it.

With what I have experienced lately, yes, I will have too pack it in as it’s not sustainable.

 

[Mark_Lottomart]

I take it, posting my rtp doesn’t suit the agenda. Also known as selective posting.

I’ve got no problem posting your RTP. I’m just choosing to enjoy my weekend off with family. Sorry if that doesn’t suit your agenda.

 

[Mark_Lottomart]

Good morning @snorky510238, hope you had a nice weekend.

As requested, your overall RTP on your account is 81.9%, the vast majority of that is from Bonanza Megaways where 99.4% of your turnover was played.

I'm sure others will confirm that 81.9% RTP on a sample of around 4,500 bets isn't unusual, I see Bonanza getting quite a bit of a hard time most days on the forum.

Regards,
Mark

 

[snorky510238]

Good morning @snorky510238, hope you had a nice weekend.

As requested, your overall RTP on your account is 81.9%, the vast majority of that is from Bonanza Megaways where 99.4% of your turnover was played.

I'm sure others will confirm that 81.9% RTP on a sample of around 4,500 bets isn't unusual, I see Bonanza getting quite a bit of a hard time most days on the forum.

Regards,
Mark

Thanks for posting. I am sure you would agree that whilst not being unusual, it is also 15% below expected and for a game that boasts 75% of rtp in the base, seems a bit off.

At least you can appreciate why I wasn’t overly pleased.

 

[Mark_Lottomart]

Thanks for posting. I am sure you would agree that whilst not being unusual, it is also 15% below expected and for a game that boasts 75% of rtp in the base, seems a bit off.

At least you can appreciate why I wasn’t overly pleased.

I'll be honest with you, I don't get frustrated when the RTP doesn't go my way, perhaps it's because I see the whole picture. The bit that concerns me is the "seems a bit off" comment. Are you suggesting there's an issue with the game?

I'm more than happy to log your complaint with the game provider for them to review.

 

[Mark_Lottomart]

I am a big fan of Lottomart,both for their games and especially Mark who is excellent rep on here and a very frequent poster. I was delighted to see a range of 'new' BTG slots introduced to Lottomart such as Outlaws Megaways,Wild Flower,Lil Devil,Christmas Bonanza as I like to play those games now and again on other sites. My usual stake on BTG is 0.50 or 0.60 and both those stakes are available elsewhere as the £1 stake is a bit high for me and the 0.40 is not high enough. The problem is that on Outlaws and Christmas Bonanza the only stakes they do under £1 are 0.20,0.40 and then it jumps all the way to £1. This is a hell of a jump in terms of stakes. Is this just Lottomart or are other casinos doing it too? Seems a large bump to have to up your stake 250% in one go.

Thoughts?

Good afternoon John,

We've finally had a reply back from the game provider:

Regretfully, the maths model of these two games does not support wagers of 0.60 or 0.80 EUR/GBP.
Internally, the game only supports specific chip sizes including 1, 2, 5, 10, 20 etc. This gives valid wager values of 0.20, 0.40, 1.00, 2.00, 4.00 and so on.
I have tried to force wagers of 0.60 and 0.80 in our test environment, however the game simply failed to launch and gave an error.
Unfortunately, we are unable to configure the games to support the requested wagers of 0.60 or 0.80.

If you've been able to play these games at those denominations, it may be that it's a limitation of the integration on our side? Either way it doesn't appear that I'm going to be able to give you the stakes you're looking for. Sorry about that.

Mark

 

[snorky510238]

I'll be honest with you, I don't get frustrated when the RTP doesn't go my way, perhaps it's because I see the whole picture. The bit that concerns me is the "seems a bit off" comment. Are you suggesting there's an issue with the game?

I'm more than happy to log your complaint with the game provider for them to review.

Yes, I am suggesting that there is an issue with the game but that isn’t entirely based on my experience at Lottomart, as I accept that is a very small sample. Where I have more than sufficient evidence, are places such as Unibet, SpinRider, Virgin games, etc. I have completed a sufficient number of spins at these Casinos to know that 86% just isn’t right.

I don’t expect you to defend them. I just vented my annoyance at joining another Casino where the same looks likely to occur based on initial findings. What is alarming, is that I played the game for 5 years and at no Casino where I enquired (the vast majority), was I ever running below 94% after thousands of spins. Now a rtp of between 80% and 90% is the supposed norm.

 

[thr0b]

Good afternoon John,

We've finally had a reply back from the game provider:



If you've been able to play these games at those denominations, it may be that it's a limitation of the integration on our side? Either way it doesn't appear that I'm going to be able to give you the stakes you're looking for. Sorry about that.

Mark

Hi Mark, I can definitely play most BTG Megaways games everywhere else at 0.2, 0.4, 0.6, 0.8, 1, etc.

 

[Mark_Lottomart]

Hi Mark, I can definitely play most BTG Megaways games everywhere else at 0.2, 0.4, 0.6, 0.8, 1, etc.

Thanks, even those two mentioned? Could you let me know where please and I’ll challenge it. As I say, it could be a limitation of our integration in which case it might not help us.

 

[thr0b]

Thanks, even those two mentioned? Could you let me know where please and I’ll challenge it. As I say, it could be a limitation of our integration in which case it might not help us.

Hiya. Yep.

Even on BTG’s demo site -

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Just checked Gala as well.

As I say, the 0.2 steps from 0-1 are common/standard for BTG’s Megaways games, so it’s odd you’re being told otherwise. (Some sites increase the steps after 1.00, but that seems more variable and down to operator choice.)

 

[johnnymcc1966]

Good afternoon John,

We've finally had a reply back from the game provider:



If you've been able to play these games at those denominations, it may be that it's a limitation of the integration on our side? Either way it doesn't appear that I'm going to be able to give you the stakes you're looking for. Sorry about that.

Mark

I've played both Outlaws Megaways and Christmas Bonanza,for example at 0.60 on both Videoslots and Leo Vegas,possible others but I'm not certain. I think BTG are stretching the truth in all honesty to be honest Mark.

 

[johnnymcc1966]

Just to prove my point here is a screenshot I took a minute or two ago on Leo Vegas

 

[Mark_Lottomart]

Just to prove my point here is a screenshot I took a minute or two ago on Leo Vegas

Cheers, yeah it seems to be an issue with our integration via Games Global. It's GG saying those stakes are not available. Still digging though.