More NetEnt stolen software/Rip offs

[maphesto]

This is cut and pasted from emails forwarded to NetEnt through Bryan (from me).

Since investigating this issue with Tobwin:

https://sussexmskpartnershipeast.com/forums/threads/tobwin-com-fake-licence-very-dodgy.64876/?t=64876

I noticed that xx77jackpot.com also had a strange seal on their page AND they seemed to have NetEnt software. I immediately alerted both maxd and ThePogg about it. However, there were no way to test the game in freemode (play money mode).

The site offered 5€ free to test the games. It took a while (many days before they credited the 5) but one day finally I was able to test.

I noticed right away that it was crooked.

I started to play JATB and when the floating Jack and the Beanstalk symbol was in a winning combination, the win money was added to the cash amount right away. On real NetEnt software the win amount isn't moved to the cash amount until the whole spin (feature) is done.

It became worse. I closed the game and reopened it later and then the starting screen was a winning combination. See picture tweakedjack3.jpg. It was just to click and win.

Following pictures of JATB shows that the floating wilds dont give a win. I had to click spin, even though we know that the feature "runs itself" until feature is over.

Last catch I made was to see that you couldn't reduce number of lines on Flowers or Frankenstein. Then my 5 was gone and I couldn't test more.

When checking servers/registrants for 77jackpot I found xx1bet2bet.com which seems to have NetEnt clones to some regions, but not mine. I can’t test them, because when I log in, I can't find the games.

Then I found same registrant for the infamous xxfuturiticasino.com, they had working NetEnt games (rip offs) which didn't behave at all as they should. They are under the “HD slots-tab”

You can change the number of lines on Gonzo as an example. On Blood Suckers you can only change the number of betting coins in big steps. You can’t bet 2 coins/line, you have to choose either 1 or 5 coins/line or more.

I think it’s pretty alarming that Futuriti seem to have real quickfire games. See for yourself if they are real or rip offs. I mean both MG games and Nextgen as Medusa. Even if MG and NetEnt are competitors, I don't want to think that MG want to do business with crooks.

Suggestion: Place 77jackpot, 1bet2bet and Futuriti in the Rogue pit!

Some screenshots:

 

[ThePOGG]

Hey maphesto - that was some really good work!

I've looked at the registration information for 77jackpot and you're right they are listing 1bet2bet, with email addresses directing to that operation. I've already added Tobwin and 77Jackpot to my Blacklist and will be including 1bet2bet later today.

Looking on the 1bet2bet terms and conditions page I noticed this;

These terms and conditions constitute a legally binding agreement ("Agreement") between (a) you, the end user, and (b) 1Bet2Bet ("1Bet2Bet"), a trading name of Merge Gaming Network, and each of its officers, directors, agents, employees, consultants, suppliers, vendors and affiliates (collectively "Company/we/us/our").

The Merge Gaming Network run a fair number of properties none of which I'm particularly familiar with. The use of the phrase "a trading name of" concerns me as it suggests that 1bet2bet are more than a whitelable, but are actually owned by Merge. Anyone with more knowledge of company structuring care to weigh in on this?

As to Futuriti, I'm not seeing the connection to Merge, 1bet2bet or 77Jackpot in their registration information? If they've been running stolen games send me a link to the thread and I'll Blacklist them as well (they're already Not Recommended for other issues).

 

[dunover]

Hey maphesto - that was some really good work!

I've looked at the registration information for 77jackpot and you're right they are listing 1bet2bet, with email addresses directing to that operation. I've already added Tobwin and 77Jackpot to my Blacklist and will be including 1bet2bet later today.

Looking on the 1bet2bet terms and conditions page I noticed this;



The Merge Gaming Network run a fair number of properties none of which I'm particularly familiar with. The use of the phrase "a trading name of" concerns me as it suggests that 1bet2bet are more than a whitelable, but are actually owned by Merge. Anyone with more knowledge of company structuring care to weigh in on this?

As to Futuriti, I'm not seeing the connection to Merge, 1bet2bet or 77Jackpot in their registration information? If they've been running stolen games send me a link to the thread and I'll Blacklist them as well (they're already Not Recommended for other issues).

Yes, they are part of the Merge Network:
here is a list of their Poker and Casino Properties.....


1Bet2Bet.com
Aced.com
AllPro.ag
AllStarSportsBook.com
Belmont.ag
BestECasino.com
BetLM.eu
BetOnUSA.ag
BetUSA.ag
Bulldog777.com
CarbonPoker.ag
Ezbets.ag
GeoBet.com
GR88.com
HollywoodSportsbook.eu
iHoldem.com
MuchosPoker.com (Merge)
MySportsbook.ag
OddsPoker.ag
OnlyWinners.com
PokerBilly.com
ReeferPoker.co.uk
Sportsbook.ag
Sportsbooks.com
StridePoker.com
SuperSportsbook.com
WorldwideGamble.com
YouWin.com



Affiliya:
Affiliya.com - FUTURITI is one of the oldest gambling portals in Russian and is present in the market for the past five years, from 2007. It offers Russian affiliates commissions plans incorporates casino, poker, sports and financial betting.

Futuriti and Merge are both part of the 'MyAffiliates' network too.
Old / Expired Link

 

[maphesto]

If they've been running stolen games send me a link to the thread and I'll Blacklist them as well (they're already Not Recommended for other issues).

No link for thread, go to xxhttps://futuriticasino.com/en and take the "HD slots" tab and there you have this:



Go ahead, blacklist them.

I will check my files about the registrant now as well.

 

[maphesto]

The connection between 1bet2bet and Futuriti is Cyberdata N.V.

This thread from Linkinfart is interesting in this:

https://sussexmskpartnershipeast.com/forum...-casino-novomatic-slots-ripoff.51529/?t=51529

 

[ThePOGG]

Yes, they are part of the Merge Network:

I realise that they are part of the Merge Network what I'm getting at is are they OWNED and operated by Merge? For instance Casino Luck and Guts are part of the EveryMatrix network, but they are not OWNED by EveryMatrix, nor do EveryMatrix make management decisions for them. That being the case it would be unfair to punish these venues due to transgressions by other casinos operating on the EveryMatrix network. If 1Bet2Bet are owned and managed by Merge it would be fair to conclude that Merge have had a direct hand in the implementation of 77Jackpot. If Merge simply provide various infrastructure to 1Bet2Bet, they may well not have any knowledge of other activities that 1Bet2Bet are engaged in.

Futuriti and Merge are both part of the 'MyAffiliates' network too.
Old / Expired Link

Like above I don't think it's fair to tarnish the large number of big brands on the MyAffiliates network due to this issue - Betsson, Bodog, Europlay - these groups won't have had any knowledge or hand in what Futuriti's doing, they've just outsources some of the affiliate acquisition to the same company.

 

[ThePOGG]

Looking up Cyberdata in a reverse whois I get 9 domains owned by this company (see attached screenshot). It's obvious that the first one is 1bet2bet and the second is futuriti, anyone got any ideas about the other 7?

 

[maphesto]

I think one of them is novoboomlottery

 

[maphesto]

Another is a betting site, ligastavok.com.

@ThePogg: Why did you ask for those others? I will sit here all day figuring the others out!

EDIT: Next one is liga-stavok.com

You see? I will find them!

Edit 2: The last two don't fit in the pattern, but they are theirs.

 

[ThePOGG]

@ThePogg: Why did you ask for those others?

Simply put - this company has been running casinos, as evidenced by 77Jackpot and Futuriti, that have been engaged in all sorts of unethical behaviour. As such any property operated by this group gets the same Blacklisted status.

 

[maphesto]

Simply put - this company has been running casinos, as evidenced by 77Jackpot and Futuriti, that have been engaged in all sorts of unethical behaviour. As such any property operated by this group gets the same Blacklisted status.

I knew the answer. You just made me sit here by the computer to find the rest.

 

[Tirilej]

I knew the answer. You just made me sit here by the computer to find the rest.

That's sad of course, but you're doing a great job

I will never get that knowledge you have for digging up this kind of stuff. So just keep working boy

 

[maphesto]

wezzet.net

A betting site, seem to be gone now. Found stuff on wayback machine.

Edit: next one is oscaryard.com, a sportsbetting site in what I think is russian.

 

[dunover]

 

[dougmanct]

The real big fish you should be looking to uncover is not so much the individual casinos offering counterfeit NetEnt games, but the provider of the counterfeit games that I bet most or all of these casinos have in common. I've been investigating this recently.

Not going to call out the name of the provider here because I don't feel like having a hit put out on me.

But anyone that knows how to "view source" in a browser can discover it.

NetEnt would be well advised to takedown this domain and the people behind it.

You're welcome.

 

[The Dude]

Netent got back to me and confirmed that 1bet2bet.com and Futuriti do not appear to be their customers.

 

[syntynyt]

for the record, i took Futuriti 100 no deposit promo from a spam mail in early months of 2014 and ive withdrawn 100 from it, including my 50 deposit and i was happy before being skeptical to deposit 50 in a unknown casino. so they are reliable. i will attach payment confirmation if i found it. they did not had netent or mg back then, only novo. i see gonzo quest is a bit different here, with selectable lines, autobet etc, they actually spent time to make it better. i'm broken feelings for netent, this is why i will take tomorrow welcome bonus and play some novos. karma, beach!

 

[maphesto]

Here they have NetEnt at a Bitcoin casino, are there any NetEnt experts who want to test them in demo mode?

xxhttp://btc-casino.io/games/netent

They have two versions of Gonzo's Quest, one of them is "deluxe" Isn't that a Novomatic system?

for the record, i took Futuriti 100 no deposit promo from a spam mail in early months of 2014 and ive withdrawn 100 from it, including my 50 deposit and i was happy before being skeptical to deposit 50 in a unknown casino. so they are reliable. i will attach payment confirmation if i found it. they did not had netent or mg back then, only novo. i see gonzo quest is a bit different here, with selectable lines, autobet etc, they actually spent time to make it better. i'm broken feelings for netent, this is why i will take tomorrow welcome bonus and play some novos. karma, beach!

Ah, that's why I am a member here. To know where to find decent casinos to invest my money.

 

[The Dude]

for the record, i took Futuriti 100 no deposit promo from a spam mail in early months of 2014 and ive withdrawn 100 from it, including my 50 deposit and i was happy before being skeptical to deposit 50 in a unknown casino. so they are reliable. i will attach payment confirmation if i found it. they did not had netent or mg back then, only novo. i see gonzo quest is a bit different here, with selectable lines, autobet etc, they actually spent time to make it better. i'm broken feelings for netent, this is why i will take tomorrow welcome bonus and play some novos. karma, beach!

I am not sure if I understand you correctly, but I hope you are discontinuing depositing there. You do understand that if a casino has pirated software, it means that they control the backend and the payouts. I would guarantee that either the games are rigged or set at a very low RTP.

And if they have the gonads to rip off a major software supplier, how do you think they will treat their players?

 

[miso]

I just checked Futuriti and it seems they added Novomatic and NetEnt is gone. It won't let me load slots in real mode with zero balance,
but in fun play Book of Ra is like nothing I've seen before. Or mostly heard, because sound effects are just atrocious and definitely not original.
Bet bar is slightly different and when I hit free spins, that opening book looks like badly drawn insert. 100% stolen IMO.

And then found Gonzo's Quest at the bottom, this looks like a better copy, but again, sound is slightly different. Not kosher at all.

 

[homerbert]

I am not sure if I understand you correctly, but I hope you are discontinuing depositing there. You do understand that if a casino has pirated software, it means that they control the backend and the payouts. I would guarantee that either the games are rigged or set at a very low RTP.

And if they have the gonads to rip off a major software supplier, how do you think they will treat their players?

how how...
Futurity quite popular across russian speaking markets, lot of money spent on marketing. I saw complaints And in short, they threat customers like their customers are donkeys. Nothing else.

 

[ThePOGG]

And then found Gonzo's Quest at the bottom, this looks like a better copy, but again, sound is slightly different. Not kosher at all.

It doesn't have the 'standard to all NE games' '?' button at the bottom left either.

 

[ThePOGG]

Also worth noting that 1Bet2Bet are operating under a 'Suspended' license - hxxp://www.gaminglicences.com/pages/validate.php?lid=8048-C2907700

 

[darkfire]

You can very quickly tell they're fake by looking at the packets.

NetEnt packets (Flash not HTML5) are encrypted and generally all look like this (easily viewable using Chrome):

n=1418893042999&e=1&s=DEMO-1502578710205&data=2fd740a0ddd5d7944d51a605f621642d08e9242ec8c5f0f71c30e370e8fadd3e18898a726663e3660d5bf159c41e01bf771c5d73c43444cbccf923f6a5ff441abb41873e683973d2bc531452a272cf492e6854b77aab505e43ff98c00c

Futuriti won't let me demo play anymore but yesterday when I was looking at them you can see the packets were not encrypted and completely different. Couldn't get the "NetEnt" games at 77Jackpot to load for me to check them though.

Editing with more information:

(I'm not certain how much info I'm allowed to post, ie. whois information and such?)

When looking at the packets you can see that the dodgy NetEnt games are all coming from xxggsexternalgames . com
A brief Whois/Google trip make it apparent that this is the url for Global Gaming Service.

If you google that you end up at a site that allows you to search for casinos based on Software, which lists the following casinos as using GGS:
Europe Bet
Slot Voyager
AzartPlay Casino
Gaminator Club
Luxor Slots
CasinoTV24
Futuriti
UpSlots
VA Bank Casino

Disclaimer, I'm not saying all those casinos are providing dodgy NetEnt games, just that they're associated with GGS according to Google-fu.

Reverse Whois on the owner of ggsexternalgames gives you 268 really scary domains (backalley of the internet type stuff, not recommended). I can't see of of them and I'm not opening the rest D) but VA Bank is there.
(For those interested whoisology will do a reverse whois for free, though they're AS accurate as domaintools).

 

[maphesto]

The fake NetEnt slots are now gone from Futuriti.

EDIT: Same fake Gonzo and Blood Suckers are available at Slot Voyager, mentioned by darkfire. I didn't check all those sites but a guess is that they are found at some of the others as well.

 

[ThePOGG]

Europe Bet
Slot Voyager
AzartPlay Casino
Gaminator Club
Luxor Slots
CasinoTV24
Futuriti
UpSlots
VA Bank Casino

Not all of the above list the Net Ent games (ones in red).

I do notice that UpSlots also appears to be running some - what I'm guessing are - fake Playtech games;

 

[ThePOGG]

The 1Bet2Bet terms are very very funny;



Term 6 - "In order to withdraw any funds, customers must either: a) stake (wager) an amount equal to forty (30) times the combined bonus plus deposit amount on casino (e.g. deposit €25, receive 25 bonus of 30, turnover €1500 (25+25 x 25] before withdrawal)."

Alongside 3 different wagering requirements in the same term the term states "either a)" with no other options! This is exactly the same sort of clumsy, inept term crafting that started off the initial complaint against Tobwin at my site.

 

[Journeyman]

About Futuriti

I have played quite a bit on Futuriti. Especially for their Novomatic Slots.
I can confirm this slots are some very bad ripoffs. All their Deluxe Slots are very bad ripoffs. The reels spin unnaturally. The reels are ¨ordered¨ in a very different way. For example at ¨Hot Chance¨ a 3 reel slot, the reels are ridiculous. Where on the normal slot the sevens and stars are represented 1 time on each reel, at futuriti the Sevens are even triple stacked, what in theory means you can hit a full screen of sevens, something which is impossible on the original ¨Hot Chance¨.

The Sizzling Hot Deluxe is even more nuts!
The paytable doesn´t match up with the prices paid in the game. The slot confuses the melons with the cherries. So basically the Melons are like the Cherries in the original game and vice versa. Can you follow me? I can´t. Also the scattered stars. When you hit 3 of them, you get paid 2x normally. Here the paytable also sais 2x, but when you hit you got paid 10x!
It´s really a joke. Ppl who play Novomaticslots, just grab their 100 free and try that slots out, or try it in playmoney.

I don´t confuse their classic slots with their deluxe slots as someone mentioned before. Believe me, I know all Gaminator/Novomatic slots very well.

I don´t say they don´t pay. They keep it pending for a while, that´s why I can just remember a few small withdraws. I did hit big sometimes there. I think, as someone posted before, it could be they have the end-control of this software.

Interesting nobody came up with this before as they have had a lot of traffic the last years, for sure with enough people knowing the original versions of these slots.

 

[chayton]

Term 6 - "In order to withdraw any funds, customers must either: a) stake (wager) an amount equal to forty (30) times the combined bonus plus deposit amount on casino (e.g. deposit €25, receive 25 bonus of 30, turnover €1500 (25+25 x 25] before withdrawal)."

:notworthy Award winner for the most unintentionally hilarious term ever. They obviously copied and pasted and butchered it several times without knowing what it even said. If you search for "In order to withdraw any funds, customers must either: a) stake (wager)" in google you can see from a couple forum posts with the full (unbutchered) term from Smart Live where there actually WAS a 'B'

 

[Lemurz]

Don't play at this casinos. They are all fake and not licensed. Slots are awful faked copy, bad scripted rtp.

 

[ThePOGG]

It´s really a joke. Ppl who play Novomaticslots, just grab their 100 free and try that slots out, or try it in playmoney.

I do understand that you're just suggesting that players get a look at how wrong these slots are, but I'd discourage anyone from even claiming NDBs or free spins at these casinos. In doing so you'd be giving people clearly engaged in illegal activities you personal information - not a great plan. Of course, if you don't intend to try and withdraw any winnings you could always enter bogus details.....

 

[maphesto]

I do understand that you're just suggesting that players get a look at how wrong these slots are, but I'd discourage anyone from even claiming NDBs or free spins at these casinos. In doing so you'd be giving people clearly engaged in illegal activities you personal information - not a great plan. Of course, if you don't intend to try and withdraw any winnings you could always enter bogus details.....

That's not a great plan either, you never know if the casino at some point will be sold or merged with another and the "new" casino choose to compare details. IP or MAC address. Then they accuse you of fraud and your withdrawal is toast.

 

[ThePOGG]

That's not a great plan either, you never know if the casino at some point will be sold or merged with another and the "new" casino choose to compare details. IP or MAC address. Then they accuse you of fraud and your withdrawal is toast.

I absolutely wasn't suggesting anyone make any form of deposit with these guy! I was suggesting that if there were NDBs or free spin bonuses not tied to deposits they could enter completely bogus details. I do concede your point about the IP, though it could be overcome with a proxy server, which are relatively easy to find/use.

 

[Journeyman]

should it be a good idea to ask futuriti about this? at askgamblers, for example? ppl can open a complaint there(also about their software) and they will have to answer, like they did in the past.

they have quite a lot of traffic. scary.

 

[hhhelllo]

I have seen promo about this futiriscrap casino several times on askgamblers... How can they be legit and promote such a scam at the same time? Makes me think of gamblingshitty... They offer promos and NDB for the casinos listed in their rogue section... Payments for hypocrisy?

 

[zanzibar]

How can they be legit? Who Askgamblers or the casino? Neither are really. Loads of complaints on AG go unanswered or the player gets shafted and they stick a big smiley face on it and say all is well. Loads of dodgy casinos are "reviewed" there uncritically. Look past the facade.

 

[hhhelllo]

Must be nice to get paid to promote rogue crap... What a bunch of c***s

 

[SoftGamings]

Ask those AskGamblers

Well, there's always an option to ask those "AskGamblers' how does it comes that they promote scam casinos...

 

[hhhelllo]

Well, there's always an option to ask those "AskGamblers' how does it comes that they promote scam casinos...

As long as the money comes in.... They dont give a ... A little bit like gambling city network... Promoting the casinos that they call rogue themselves... What a nice joke

 

[selfridges1]

Book of Ra lookslike a very sad fake at 77Jackpot

I have played online and in Casinos Book of Ra-I am so silly as played well over 300 euros-still hoping for the 3 books to appear-actually 2 would have been good-there were hardly any books and because they were "spinning" so slowly and oddly you could actually see the symbols going round, very rare a book whizzed past. Still I played,classic,new book of RA6 (didn't know of this previously) and still no 3 books, then eventually they appeared and I won 3.65E woooooooo,in one mad deposit of 125 euros not once did 3 books appear.
Definitely I would say a fake,couldn't open any netent games and the cover page of secret of the stones was a joke-nothing like real one. How come AG recommends them.
No UK license but thy took my deposits-any suggestions about getting them refunded or is that a joke I just made-I also did quite a few deposits on fututurri-which I have to say was about the same-I must check sites before playing-I will from now on....... when will I learn not to trust everyone on line

 

[dunover]

I have played online and in Casinos Book of Ra-I am so silly as played well over 300 euros-still hoping for the 3 books to appear-actually 2 would have been good-there were hardly any books and because they were "spinning" so slowly and oddly you could actually see the symbols going round, very rare a book whizzed past. Still I played,classic,new book of RA6 (didn't know of this previously) and still no 3 books, then eventually they appeared and I won 3.65E woooooooo,in one mad deposit of 125 euros not once did 3 books appear.
Definitely I would say a fake,couldn't open any netent games and the cover page of secret of the stones was a joke-nothing like real one. How come AG recommends them.
No UK license but thy took my deposits-any suggestions about getting them refunded or is that a joke I just made-I also did quite a few deposits on fututurri-which I have to say was about the same-I must check sites before playing-I will from now on....... when will I learn not to trust everyone on line

These lot are as bent as a bottle of hammers - they're crooks, the software pirated, the reviews fake and so are twats that promote them. If AG promote them they are rogue as the sites IMO.

Therein lies the motivation of AG - MONEY! Here it's less money, but more ethics.

NEVER deposit at any site not registered and licensed with the UKGC. Go to the UKGC site and 'search licensees'.

You have basically donated cash to Russian criminals. Try and get it back from your payment method.

 

[selfridges1]

Thanks

Thanks-I did try my bank but thy said as I had made the deposit they couldn't do anything. Yes. AG did promote them then put a warning on saying their licence was an E license or something but that has been taken off since I told Jim at 77 about it-scary are they connected maybe? ??

 

[zanzibar]

Sheesh once again the acceptance of A.G. as a reputable site gets my goat really. There are loads of rogues and dodgy casinos on there with positive or uncritical "reviews" written in semi-literate English. The faux help service is a joke much of the time and a cynic might even point out that if you encourage players to play at crap casinos then the number that come back and submit a complaint increases traffic to the site in a non-virtuous, money-making, cycle of asshattery.

The "awards" that sites like that receive are voted on by casino managers and other affiliates. They are meaningless to players but for some reason many players seem to unquestioningly accept that they are an indication of quality as opposed to money earned (the reality). How many votes do players get in these casino industry circle-jerks?

I read that the site recently sold for 15 million Euros. 15 million. Screw me sideways! If a site that questionable is worth that much then CasinoMeister must be worth 10x more.

 

[Deeplay]

Sheesh once again the acceptance of A.G. as a reputable site gets my goat really. There are loads of rogues and dodgy casinos on there with positive or uncritical "reviews" written in semi-literate English. The faux help service is a joke much of the time and a cynic might even point out that if you encourage players to play at crap casinos then the number that come back and submit a complaint increases traffic to the site in a non-virtuous, money-making, cycle of asshattery.

The "awards" that sites like that receive are voted on by casino managers and other affiliates. They are meaningless to players but for some reason many players seem to unquestioningly accept that they are an indication of quality as opposed to money earned (the reality). How many votes do players get in these casino industry circle-jerks?

I read that the site recently sold for 15 million Euros. 15 million. Screw me sideways! If a site that questionable is worth that much then CasinoMeister must be worth 10x more.

Yep I agree stopped using them a long time back when i saw the kind of casinos they promote. Its like they accept anyone and everyone and so much wrong information. Example saying a casino accepts UK players only to find when you get to the site they dont.

They were bought based on the traffic and the revenues generated. So I suppose the massive price tag must have been justified. Jo Player though comes second or 3rd.

Thats why I stick to what I know .... Casino Meister

 

[lisamontgom]

Must be nice to get paid to promote rogue crap... What a bunch of c***s

thanks for the information!