North Korea and US politics

[weesie]

Hi,

With N. Korea supposedly closing all nuclear sites & suspending rocket testing, I couldn't help but think of my post in the ""President Trump"" thread.

Copy & paste because I see now way to put a link.:: #3 of my former post:



3) What's up with N. Koreas' "Fearless Leader" all the sudden, over the last few weeks
suddenly stopped with all the rocket & missile tests and bragging about their distance capabilities?
AND, what's up with him visiting China?? Meeting the leader of China on China turf?
And China is upset with Trumps' new tariffs he want to impose on China made goods.

I may need a tinfoil hat for this but it all seems to suspicious .... Since when is Kim Jong Un ever quiet about his weaponry? If I know someone mouthing off all the time about how they are great and the great things they are doing, and they fall silent....
SOMETHING is up!

China & N. Korea & quite possibly Russia.... in it together?

(Dunover, I need a dozen hats, please!)

weesie, Mar 31, 2018Report
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See, it is dated Mar. 31, 2018

I have to wonder if he is indeed up to something.

 

[TheAddict]

Maybe the media has stopped exaggerating/creating pure propaganda and is instead utilizing all skills on syria?
Unusually hot tonight in the uk. Luckily i got me a roll out mat to sleep on the floor to keep cool

 

[goatwack]

I'll be damned if I remember what I said last week let alone pull up the archives

On any topic

 

[dionysus]

I'll be damned if I remember what I said last week

no sweat, I've got it right here:
goatwack: Gosh darn it if that dionysus isn't just the neatest, swellest, charming and most handsome guy here in the forums. Oh, blessed am I to be privvy to his witty, insightul and clever posts. Thank you Jesus, thank you CM 1000x.

I might be paraphrasing.

 

[goatwack]

no sweat, I've got it right here:
goatwack: Gosh darn it if that dionysus isn't just the neatest, swellest, charming and most handsome guy here in the forums. Oh, blessed am I to be privvy to his witty, insightul and clever posts. Thank you Jesus, thank you CM 1000x.

I might be paraphrasing.

Pfft

I'd say that if I was gay, sure

Anyway Gosh darn it if that dionysus isn't just the neatest, swellest, charming and most handsome guy here in the forums. Oh, blessed am I to be privvy to his witty, insightul and clever posts. Thank you Jesus, thank you CM 1000x

 

[dionysus]

 

[dionysus]

dunno why the emoticon posted twice
the blatant lie musta broke the system

 

[bebo67]

Hi,

With N. Korea supposedly closing all nuclear sites & suspending rocket testing, I couldn't help but think of my post in the ""President Trump"" thread.

Copy & paste because I see now way to put a link.:: #3 of my former post:



3) What's up with N. Koreas' "Fearless Leader" all the sudden, over the last few weeks
suddenly stopped with all the rocket & missile tests and bragging about their distance capabilities?
AND, what's up with him visiting China?? Meeting the leader of China on China turf?
And China is upset with Trumps' new tariffs he want to impose on China made goods.

I may need a tinfoil hat for this but it all seems to suspicious .... Since when is Kim Jong Un ever quiet about his weaponry? If I know someone mouthing off all the time about how they are great and the great things they are doing, and they fall silent....
SOMETHING is up!

China & N. Korea & quite possibly Russia.... in it together?

(Dunover, I need a dozen hats, please!)

weesie, Mar 31, 2018Report
#2173


See, it is dated Mar. 31, 2018

I have to wonder if he is indeed up to something.

I was just voicing this a few days ago, when discussing the US, UK and France attacking Syria. The States want to be self sufficient, and try to keep everything " American", in doing so he has and will make a few disgruntled Countries. Outside of the States, China has the biggest import/export in the world. ( Harry can correct me if I'm wrong) Russia has a large scale of weaponry and money. And N Korea has a weak spot geographically, but has ( as far as we been told) advanced Nuclear Weapons. China is a wait and see country, and very diplomatic. If anything China is the real target and has been all the long.

 

[bebo67]

I was just voicing this a few days ago, when discussing the US, UK and France attacking Syria. The States want to be self sufficient, and try to keep everything " American", in doing so he has and will make a few disgruntled Countries. Outside of the States, China has the biggest import/export in the world. ( Harry can correct me if I'm wrong) Russia has a large scale of weaponry and money. And N Korea has a weak spot geographically, but has ( as far as we been told) advanced Nuclear Weapons. China is a wait and see country, and very diplomatic. If anything China is the real target and has been all the long.

But if we need to really know? We can ask Howie Mandels Banker, the man " in the shadows".

 

[dionysus]

The States want to be self sufficient, and try to keep everything " American"

oh sweet - we get to keep all our freshwater?

 

[bebo67]

oh sweet - we get to keep all our freshwater?

 

[bebo67]

oh sweet - we get to keep all our freshwater?

Now if we could only get our hydro back! lol

 

[dionysus]

Now if we could only get our hydro back! lol

that wasnt very gracious of me.
Therefore I offer up Beiber and Dion as permanent residents and I'll even throw in Nickelback as a sign of good faith

 

[bebo67]

that wasnt very gracious of me.
Therefore I offer up Beiber and Dion as permanent residents and I'll even throw in Nickelback as a sign of good faith

Dont laugh, but Im very political, and as some know, I will fight to the bitter end for what I believe in. This song has been my driving force when I write. Yes me, the doc martin grunge queen, loves this song! It inspires me and it has great beats!
And what a appropriate song!

 

[bebo67]

Dont laugh, but Im very political, and as some know, I will fight to the bitter end for what I believe in. This song has been my driving force when I write. Yes me, the doc martin grunge queen, loves this song! It inspires me and it has great beats!
And what a appropriate song!

Another fav of mine.......Amen I'm ALIVE! Great Video. Bob Geldof!

 

[bebo67]

Sorry for hijacking the thread OP. We are bad for that. lol

 

[dionysus]

lol, truth be told, I really dont mind Nickelback

but yanno, if we're posting Canadian band vids in a thread about wars on the horizon:

 

[bebo67]

lol, truth be told, I really dont mind Nickelback

but yanno, if we're posting Canadian band vids in a thread about wars on the horizon:

Omg. I havent heard this for years! Just shows "nothing changes". lol . Im off to bed. Night!

 

[weesie]

Ok, I guess it isn't much to be concerned with. I thought it would be an interesting topic for discussion.

"""I'll be damned if I remember what I said last week let alone pull up the archives """""

goatwack, I am sorry your memory is so poor. There may be medications for that problem.

 

[bebo67]

Ok, I guess it isn't much to be concerned with. I thought it would be an interesting topic for discussion.

"""I'll be damned if I remember what I said last week let alone pull up the archives """""

goatwack, I am sorry your memory is so poor. There may be medications for that problem.

Actually it is something to be concerned with. If a war does happen it will be a cold war, and that is probably why NK is becoming is getting closer with China. China has been providing economically to NK for a long time.

 

[weesie]

I'll be damned if I remember what I said last week let alone pull up the archives

On any topic

Not even a month old so wouldn't call it "archives" but thanks for your valued input. Really!

 

[goatwack]

Not even a month old so wouldn't call it "archives" but thanks for your valued input. Really!

Yerr

I was referring to myself, but thankyou. Get over yourself.

Also quoting me twice on the same post, makes sense.

And finally 'thankyou' for starting another political thread. Because we all know how well the last one went

 

[Steviedoo]

Well this went well.
...can’t we have a political discussion on this forum?

 

[geordiecolin]

Hi,

With N. Korea supposedly closing all nuclear sites & suspending rocket testing, I couldn't help but think of my post in the ""President Trump"" thread.

Copy & paste because I see now way to put a link.:: #3 of my former post:



3) What's up with N. Koreas' "Fearless Leader" all the sudden, over the last few weeks
suddenly stopped with all the rocket & missile tests and bragging about their distance capabilities?
AND, what's up with him visiting China?? Meeting the leader of China on China turf?
And China is upset with Trumps' new tariffs he want to impose on China made goods.

I may need a tinfoil hat for this but it all seems to suspicious .... Since when is Kim Jong Un ever quiet about his weaponry? If I know someone mouthing off all the time about how they are great and the great things they are doing, and they fall silent....
SOMETHING is up!

China & N. Korea & quite possibly Russia.... in it together?

(Dunover, I need a dozen hats, please!)

weesie, Mar 31, 2018Report
#2173


See, it is dated Mar. 31, 2018

I have to wonder if he is indeed up to something.

My take on NK's change of policies is that.
1. They have achieved their goal of becoming a nuclear power and by achieving this goal they have become closer to being able to sit at the big boys table as long as they continue playing their cards right.
2. NK are not an oil rich Country where military intervention would make the risk of inflaming tensions with other Countries worth taking.

Is it any wonder why the " World police" (America) are very selective about which "nasty" Countries President/dictatorship go unpunished/unchecked when there is no financial or strategic gain for America and its chums?
This video may shed a bit more light on America profiteering once again by foreign intervention. Who will be next?

And notice once again that the Rothschild's are implicated heavily.

 

[geordiecolin]

Another fav of mine.......Amen I'm ALIVE! Great Video. Bob Geldof!

Great tunes Bebo

 

[geordiecolin]

Just to clarify how the big hitters in American politics and commerce are profiteering from this "conflict" against Syria despite their leader singing from the same hymn sheet as America re democracy this clarifies to me how fecked up World events are dictated.

 

[Steviedoo]

Glad to see the anti America sentiment is alive and well...good grief that didn’t take long.

 

[weesie]

Sorry goatwack, I thought you were serious about the "archives" comment.

I do think (on topic) that China has much more to do with this "turn around" by N. Korea than Trump. Trump hasn't even had their meeting yet. Then with the USA owing China so much money, it could be a bad sign if N. Korea & China team up. (bad sign for USA, IMO)

One thing though, IF N.Korea does follow through and the Korean Peninsula becomes unified, I have to wonder just how much credit Trump will get from it. Since no prior president has managed to do anything.

 

[bebo67]

Glad to see the anti America sentiment is alive and well...good grief that didn’t take long.

?

 

[bebo67]

Just to clarify how the big hitters in American politics and commerce are profiteering from this "conflict" against Syria despite their leader singing from the same hymn sheet as America re democracy this clarifies to me how fecked up World events are dictated.

Sadly it's not just America. The people in the shadows are from not just the states, but also the UK ( probably more then the states) Germany, France, Israel, Russia.

 

[geordiecolin]

Glad to see the anti America sentiment is alive and well...good grief that didn’t take long.

It didn't take long for someone to post something you didn't want posted?

 

[geordiecolin]

Sadly it's not just America. The people in the shadows are from not just the states, but also the UK ( probably more then the states) Germany, France, Israel, Russia.

I agree. I suspect that we only get to know a fraction of what goes on and what the real motivations are

 

[Steviedoo]

It didn't take long for someone to post something you didn't want posted?

No it didn’t take long for you to post your hatred for the USA.

Carry on....

 

[geordiecolin]

No it didn’t take long for you to post your hatred for the USA.

Carry on....

Have I ever stated that I hate the USA? By your logic then I would presume that you think that I hate Qatar,France,Saudi Arabia,Turkey and my own Country,England while loving Russia and Syria?

 

[bebo67]

Trump was quoted saying that the Rothchilds in the world need to be pulled down a peg or two. Not exact quote but along those words. Every country has their elite powers, that join together to make sure things run financially smoothly to their benefit. And 9/10 times that will be through a " made up war". Keep it running as long as possible. Back to the original post..........China will either have to cave in and pay the tariffs because that is one way of getting the money owed paid back, but those tariffs are going to cause problems for Canada, because we have have just made a huge deal with China's auto, and parts will have to go through the States first.

 

[Steviedoo]

Is it any wonder why the " World police" (America) are very selective about which "nasty" Countries President/dictatorship go unpunished/unchecked when there is no financial or strategic gain for America and its chums?
This video may shed a bit more light on America profiteering once again by foreign intervention. Who will be next...

Have I ever stated that I hate the USA? By your logic then I would presume that you think that I hate Qatar,France,Saudi Arabia,Turkey and my own Country,England while loving Russia and Syria?.

And yet, America is the only one you talk about...in both your posts...

So you don’t hate them but you come off as anti American....or maybe you are anti everything...

 

[dionysus]

I give this thread...a week before forking

 

[Steviedoo]

I give this thread...a week before forking

Pretty much started within the first post...

 

[lockinlove]

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[Harry_BKK]

My theory on this is that China "needs" and wants to keep North Korea as it is because they are not interested in an unified Korea. The same sentiment had almost all people I spoke to during my visits to South Korea, and that goes back a decade. I don't think anything major has changed. A clue to that is the reaction from Beijing when SK allowed the US to install the THAD system.

Why was Kim's ever first visit abroad to Beijing other than China telling / "ordering" him that it has been enough with the nuclear games as it endangers his future of staying in power? "Do more, carry on and you'll find yourself in the gutters" - that is how the message from Beijing could have been.

At present, he can negotiate from a position of power, holding a few, if not most Aces in his hands. And contrary to Mr. T, he is preparing himself well....summit in China, followed by Russia, China and South Korea summits in Pyongyang.

Mr. T. on the other hand can't even hold secret Pompeo's clandestine trip to NK without any other aides or experienced Korea diplomats and blurts it out at the first opportunity like a child that just got the latest Playstation. The only two reasons for Kim to meet Trump are:

- world recognition to be seen on an equal level to the mighty US
- the US signed the armistice, hence they need to be part of any potential peace negotiations / treaty.

Other than that, Mr. T will have a peripheral, if any, influence to what is happening and that only if anything at all will actually happen. The major talks / decisions will be made between Russia, China, NK and SK although Mr. T will spin it to be all his works.

 

[zellie]

No tinfoil hat but there is a t-shirt

 

[geordiecolin]

And yet, America is the only one you talk about...in both your posts...

So you don’t hate them but you come off as anti American....or maybe you are anti everything...

Making statements like " your an America hater" without actually addressing the substance of a post is not contributing to debate. In fact all it does is flame. I am not willing to engage in such blanket reactions because it will only get the thread closed

 

[maxd]

I've received a couple of complaints about the content of this thread.

Guys, the forum is called "Political Rants"! This is more or less a mosh pit in here so unless we're talking serious violations of the General Posting Rules I'd say look elsewhere if you don't like what you are reading. Trust me, most of us do exactly that.

 

[Steviedoo]

Making statements like " your an America hater" without actually addressing the substance of a post is not contributing to debate. In fact all it does is flame. I am not willing to engage in such blanket reactions because it will only get the thread closed

That’s funny coming from you but ok.

maybe you should stop making blanket statements.

Americans on this forum are tired of the anti American sentiment.

Have a great day Geordie.

 

[Chipkin9]

That’s funny coming from you but ok.

maybe you should stop making blanket statements.

Americans on this forum are tired of the anti American sentiment.

Have a great day Geordie.

I usually stay out of politics; I don't like the arguments.

But do you not think maybe the middle east (and the RoW) are tired with American interference there? You know, where they do not belong.

It's hardly anti-American to point out that you know, maybe America should withdraw thier troops and stop interferring in other countries affairs militarily.

Having an issue with the American Government and it's "Foreign Policies" (And how they break international law without consequences btw); is not the same as having an issue with American citizens, yuuuuge difference. Believe me!

 

[geordiecolin]

I usually stay out of politics; I don't like the arguments.

But do you not think maybe the middle east (and the RoW) are tired with American interference there? You know, where they do not belong.

It's hardly anti-American to point out that you know, maybe America should withdraw thier troops and stop interferring in other countries affairs militarily.

Having an issue with the American Government and it's "Foreign Policies" (And how they break international law without consequences btw); is not the same as having an issue with American citizens, yuuuuge difference. Believe me!

It is futile to attempt to reason with the ignorant and blinkered mate. Just let them crack on

 

[Steviedoo]

It is futile to attempt to reason with the ignorant and blinkered mate. Just let them crack on

....when all else fails they resort to insults...

 

[weesie]

Well, we may have a reason, the real reason, why Kim Jong Un has ceased his nuclear testing.

This is just one article about it.

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It happened months ago, but they say that how slow news gets out of N. Korea.

 

[bebo67]

In all honesty, there isnt a country that I don't like, because there hasn't been many that I have been to. Lol. BUT. I will point a few things out. The states can not be judged as a whole country. Each state has it's own laws, and it's own group of people. I've been to Chicago, would I live there> NO! Florida? Very dirty and ignorant, self entitled people. Vermont, and all down the east coast, absolutely breath taking and the same with parts of Michigan. I have flown over Virginia, and seen pictures ( it's on my bucket list to go) The American Government raises my eyebrows a few times but then so does ours. The UK Government does too, sorry guys but it does. I have the utmost respect for Angela Merkel. I could go on and on, but its been a long day trying to figure out codes. Thanks @colinsunderland ( still not working) Oh and does Antisemitism ring true on a government? Because I think that is what people are focusing on...governments and not citizens themselves, even though I did for Chicago and Florida. Okay. Im done blabbering. Night!

 

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