Play'n GO plus Microgaming & Partners at mid-range RTP at Unibet

[bamberfishcake]

Just a heads up - Unibet have joined the drop which I believe means a gap in the UK market for max RTP on all slots.

Let's hope somebody not as greedy fills it.

As you can see, playing Play'n GO and Crazy Tooth studios will pay more if you play the 96% bracket versions elsewhere......

Could have done it a few days ago, would have given me time to build a Unibet effigy to put on the bonfire

 

[goatwack]

?(Woah) we're going to Curacao
(Woah) back to the island
(Woah) we're gonna have a party
(Woah) in the Caribbean Sea??

 

[09237653]

RE: playngo
Only seeing it on ice dragon which may be an oversight, the game is only a day old all others are still 96%.

 

[Kroffe]

RE: playngo
Only seeing it on ice dragon which may be an oversight, the game is only a day old, all others are still 96%.

Same.
Only the latest PnG release showing as 94%, and microgaming all at 96% for me.

 

[bamberfishcake]

Crazy Tooth Studio is a Microgaming partner, I very much doubt two slots are an oversight and also Stakelogics Joker Drop is 93.8%.....

That's some serious oversight, considering they check and select the games offered.

Its Unibet dropping RTP, I wont hold my breath to be proved wrong.

 

[Scott1baird]

Out of curiosity what play n go game has the highest base spin in cost. Like book of dead is 10 pence

 

[Kroffe]

From the top of my head the highest i can think of is 30p for some games (legacy of egypt as example)

 

[09237653]

There is a few 50p ones, Happy Halloween, Gold King, and another xmas themed one, but they are all clones of one another.

 

[sufferinsilence]

On the .be site Legend of the Dragon is showing 96 when I did the inspection thingy. Lucky Clucks and the Stakelogic are both low RTP too.

 

[Kroffe]

There is a few 50p ones, Happy Halloween, Gold King, and another xmas themed one, but they are all clones of one another.

Just goes to show how little the top of my head knows.
But i dont think Gold king is one of the clones, its a expanding symbols sort of thing i think.

 

[09237653]

Just goes to show how little the top of my head knows.
But i dont think Gold king is one of the clones, its a expanding symbols sort of thing i think.

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My mistake it's Golden Legend not Gold King.

 

[Broke]

Phew, I still have max RTP for gay and go. So it's just UK.
But if Unibet (for me the most respectable site) does this, then they all will follow eventually.

 

[bamberfishcake]

Phew, I still have max RTP for gay and go. So it's just UK.
But if Unibet (for me the most respectable site) does this, then they all will follow eventually.

Have you checked the new Play'n GO, Legend of the Ice Dragon?

Finland is a big market but so is the UK and Belgium has been lowered also

 

[Cocochanel]

Unibet Denmark....Legend of the Ice Dragon, 94,28%

Scroll of Dead 96,28%

 

[YouTubeSlots]

It's just a matter of time before all the u.k sites are running the lower rtps. Won't be surprised if next week it's novibet doing the same thing

 

[thr0b]

So who's compiling that list of the "decent" "unregulated" sites running at high RTP on legit software?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I'm getting 94% on the Ice Dragon game at Unibet.com so it's not just the UK site.

Novibet are already off my list because autoplay has gone, so it was only Unibet and Maria left that I'd be prepared to play at.

Easy decision for me to make now, I'm done with online slots. Finito.

(Except 3Dice.)

As an aside I flagged them taking Joker Drop at a lower RTP last week - Unibet Casino - The Last Bastion of Default RTP in the UK? - Page 3 - Casinomeister Forum

 

[Deeplay]

I'm getting 94% on the Ice Dragon game at Unibet.com so it's not just the UK site.

Novibet are already off my list because autoplay has gone, so it was only Unibet and Maria left that I'd be prepared to play at.

Easy decision for me to make now, I'm done with online slots. Finito.

(Except 3Dice.)

As an aside I flagged them taking Joker Drop at a lower RTP last week - Unibet Casino - The Last Bastion of Default RTP in the UK? - Page 3 - Casinomeister Forum

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Yep game over for many now with UK gambling. I will be doing a 3dice session sometime in the coming week. Which is my only casino I play at - when I do play. Feel for the 1000s who dont know about such things as RTP or dont read up on forums and the way they will get stitched up.

 

[mack341]

94% slots and no autoplay is actually a pretty good balancing act, getting 20 dead manual spins in a row will be a crash course on how rtp affects your balance and play time. The ukgc may have inadvertently scuppered the casino's move to fleece players, certainly won't help, no 'well i've set off 100 spins so may as well see them out' (on autopilot)

 

[satchnz]

Well if they’ve decided to increase their edge by 50% then we should all reduce our deposits by 50% so it fucks them in the pocket. It’s a pity that most wouldn’t be disciplined to do so :-(.

Seriously tilted about this move.

 

[sapit222]

I can only find 3 games with lower RTP at Unibet (Sweden).

Legend of the Ice Dragon 94.28%
Lucky Clucks 94.19%
9 Masks of Fire Hyperspins 94.1%

 

[bamberfishcake]

So who's compiling that list of the "decent" "unregulated" sites running at high RTP on legit software?

Dont know but when you find it, let me know

It's not the end for me, bucket loads of games I can still play at 96% or above.

Besides, when somebody launches maxrtpcasino they will clean up and get all my deposits. I'll probably get t-shirts printed and start a major social media campaign on their behalf. Then join the church fanatic with his microphone on Saturdays and preach the blessings of the max RTP lord in the high street.

 

[YouTubeSlots]

Also you can forget taking deposit bonuses unless you want to lose your index finger by the time wagering is complete ?

Imagine having like a £100 in bonus funds that needs wagering 35 times and it all has to be done one painful click at a time.

So in essence instead of beating wagering the same day like when we had auto-play it will now take players days, if not a whole week.

Fuck That!

 

[thr0b]

Aye. I remain not hugely fussed. The games I play tend to only have one RTP model available anyway. If those games suddenly get removed or offer poorer models, I’ll probably stop playing them.

(I think even Tombola have changed their RTP, and their games are all their own creations. Tsk. I stick there for the free games which I never win, and the occasional wager-free bonus.)

 

[Kroffe]

I can fix this.

Just send me money on skrill or paypal and ill autospin for you.
All play happens on Betsson group or Vera&John, so highest rtp available.
I even offer bonusbuys.
And get this, you only have to pay for the service if you end up winning, so the service is free to use if you end up losing, and since that happens most of the time its mostly free. (Service costs 50% of all winnings or 80% of winnings if bonus buys are involved.)

What a deal.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Aye. I remain not hugely fussed. The games I play tend to only have one RTP model available anyway. If those games suddenly get removed or offer poorer models, I’ll probably stop playing them.

(I think even Tombola have changed their RTP, and their games are all their own creations. Tsk. I stick there for the free games which I never win, and the occasional wager-free bonus.)

Looks like Tombola have dropped from 98.5% to 98.25%, so I think they get a pass TBH

 

[bamberfishcake]

Looks like Tombola have dropped from 98.5% to 98.25%, so I think they get a pass TBH

That is scandalous!

 

[bamberfishcake]

Looks like Tombola have dropped from 98.5% to 98.25%, so I think they get a pass TBH

I would like to add, and correct me if I'm wrong as I am no Tombola expert, Tombola is a one-off game on their site, which you cannot play anywhere else at a different RTP?

If that's the case, I personally have no issue if they drop it down to 50%.

The con for me is the playing of exactly the same game at another site, that's designed to give a different return - a predatory practice that relies on the naivety of players.

 

[pinnit2014]

That is scandalous!

They have to run them that high on their to compensate for an experience that's the equivalent of a lobotomy.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I would like to add, and correct me if I'm wrong as I am no Tombola expert, Tombola is a one-off game on their site, which you cannot play anywhere else at a different RTP?

If that's the case, I personally have no issue if they drop it down to 50%.

The con for me is the playing of exactly the same game at another site, that's designed to give a different return - a predatory practice that relies on the naivety of players.

That is correct they're an entirely self-contained outfit, the games are certainly....... unique!

I did a video about them a couple of years ago.

 

[bamberfishcake]

That is correct they're an entirely self-contained outfit, the games are certainly....... unique!

I did a video about them a couple of years ago.

Not too shabby, from £75 up to £200 in 50 minutes.

I've washed 50 down the drain in 10 before. I may give them a little go.

 

[sufferinsilence]

94% slots and no autoplay is actually a pretty good balancing act, getting 20 dead manual spins in a row will be a crash course on how rtp affects your balance and play time. The ukgc may have inadvertently scuppered the casino's move to fleece players, certainly won't help, no 'well i've set off 100 spins so may as well see them out' (on autopilot)

Thing is, the 94% maths model might have more smaller returns so you wouldn't even notice if you didn't check. 94% and low volatility will keep your bankroll intact longer than 98% and high volatility unless you get that 1 in a billion huge win on the hv monster.

Not defending lowering RTP here but just take a look at Vegas slots: all bells and whistles, longer gameplay in most cases yet crap RTP.

If online casino's want to retain customers they can't afford it to give them bad experience after bad experience.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Not too shabby, from £75 up to £200 in 50 minutes.

I've washed 50 down the drain in 10 before. I may give them a little go.

They're not the slickest and/or most exciting games in the world, but if you can get your head around the fact that ultimately all you're doing is playing a random game with a house edge and you want to have a bit of a gamble, then it makes sense to make the house edge as small as possible.

The Bubble/Glow games are actually quite relaxing to play, and indeed the whole vibe of the site seems to be far more chilled out than your average online casino - there's a lot to like about it IMO.

6% house edge or 1.75% house edge - choose your poison

 

[slot_zombie]

So who's compiling that list of the "decent" "unregulated" sites running at high RTP on legit software?

I think we're already around the limit of this house's tolerance as far as discussing unregulated offerings is concerned ?. A list of names would probably be a step too far, even though the regulated UK market is disintegrating.

 

[mack341]

Thing is, the 94% maths model might have more smaller returns so you wouldn't even notice if you didn't check. 94% and low volatility will keep your bankroll intact longer than 98% and high volatility unless you get that 1 in a billion huge win on the hv monster.

Not defending lowering RTP here but just take a look at Vegas slots: all bells and whistles, longer gameplay in most cases yet crap RTP.

If online casino's want to retain customers they can't afford it to give them bad experience after bad experience.

Can you name a well known 94% slot that does this? The nlc hv maths is not really my cup of tea, I'm happy with 1-1500x top wins, like raging rhino. (95.9%rtp) But if the house edge doubles my playtime will plummet, number of bonuses hit etc...

 

[sufferinsilence]

Can you name a well known 94% slot that does this? The nlc hv maths is not really my cup of tea, I'm happy with 1-1500x top wins, like raging rhino. (95.9%rtp) But if the house edge doubles my playtime will plummet, number of bonuses hit etc...

I can't. I said "might" Someone with access to gamesheets could tell you the hitrate (if provided) between the different maths models a provider offers.

 

[bamberfishcake]

Plenty of low and med volatility slots with decent RTP. Why compromise?

You are shooting yourself in the foot before you've even started.

Im also not put off by a slot with a low max win. In the few years I have been playing, my biggest wins rarely go over 1000x anyway.

 

[sufferinsilence]

Plenty of low and med volatility slots with decent RTP. Why compromise?

You are shooting yourself in the foot before you've even started.

Im also not put off by a slot with a low max win. In the few years I have been playing, my biggest wins rarely go over 1000x anyway.

Unless there's going to be a big fuss about lower RTP and different maths models most players simply won't notice and just play on. If a provider (or casino) can make a player think they're still getting the same playtime as before whilst RTP is much lower and the masses keep coming back they're not going to change it.

I'm pretty sure this is what Unibet is trying right now: throw out a couple of mid-range RTP games out there and see if regular customers even notice. And let's be honest here: we aren't regular customers.

 

[bamberfishcake]

Unless there's going to be a big fuss about lower RTP and different maths models most players simply won't notice and just play on. If a provider (or casino) can make a player think they're still getting the same playtime as before whilst RTP is much lower and the masses keep coming back they're not going to change it.

I'm pretty sure this is what Unibet is trying right now: throw out a couple of mid-range RTP games out there and see if regular customers even notice. And let's be honest here: we aren't regular customers.

100% agree, but you, my friend, know better, so why shoot yourself in the foot?

 

[sufferinsilence]

100% agree, but you, my friend, know better, so why shoot yourself in the foot?

I never said I will, I'll go and play where they offer the best RTP on the games I want to play.

 

[goatwack]

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Bonus points for identifying the film that I took the image from

 

[pinnit2014]

Unless there's going to be a big fuss about lower RTP and different maths models most players simply won't notice and just play on. If a provider (or casino) can make a player think they're still getting the same playtime as before whilst RTP is much lower and the masses keep coming back they're not going to change it.

I'm pretty sure this is what Unibet is trying right now: throw out a couple of mid-range RTP games out there and see if regular customers even notice. And let's be honest here: we aren't regular customers.

Save them the bother - they won't, or more accurately, not enough that will tip the <players, <revenue equation. They're probably more concerned (if at all) at UKGC developments on their bottom line, than losing a customer base over RTP tbh.

 

[mack341]

Bonus points for identifying the film that I took the image from

Looks like bill paxton wearing army fatigues and a crucifix ...Aliens?

Totally different type of film than the first but very good.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Looks like bill paxton wearing army fatigues and a crucifix ...Aliens?

Totally different type of film than the first but very good.

CORRECT, it's when he screams, 'Game over man, game over!'

Your prize is an online slot with an autoplayer.

Sorry, I was dreaming there for a moment.

 

[mack341]

CORRECT, it's when he screams, 'Game over man, game over!'

Your prize is an online slot with an autoplayer.

Sorry, I was dreaming there for a moment.

Very apt dialogue Chop, must be 20+ years ago when I last watched that. I'm holding out hope 'competition' between businesses returns for the rtp factor, but won't be wasting my finger joints on lengthy mouse clicking sessions regardless.

 

[pinnit2014]

Very apt dialogue Chop, must be 20+ years ago when I last watched that. I'm holding out hope 'competition' between businesses returns for the rtp factor, but won't be wasting my finger joints on lengthy mouse clicking sessions regardless.

Try a Stakelogic game for ultimate experience in slow, manual clicks. When you click on the Gamstop logo on a site it should just divert you to one of their games - will have the same effect.

 

[bamberfishcake]

Bonus points for identifying the film that I took the image from

The super casino category was not used in the UK as far as I know.

I know @Kroffe first mentioned it for Sweden a while back. Not sure if its still there.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

The super casino category was not used in the UK as far as I know.

I know @Kroffe first mentioned it for Sweden a while back. Not sure if its still there.

I had the Super Casino category though bamber as I closed my co.uk account and opened a .com account, and I can still access the 98% slots, the category itself just seems to have gone.

Would be interested to know what Kroffe can see there now

 

[Kroffe]

The super casino category was not used in the UK as far as I know.

I know @Kroffe first mentioned it for Sweden a while back. Not sure if its still there.

I think they have removed it.
Used to be a couple of Netent slots running at 98% (Twin spin, fruit shop etc) but they all seem to be back at 96% now.
Gonzo Megaways and Mystery reels Megaways are 98% but that was never exclusive to a specific market.