Altercation at CAP Euro

[Sassy1]

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This just in from London, a fight has broken out in the lobby of the hotel between CAP, GPWA, & security. The details are still sketchy but apparently the show organizers instructed security to remove GPWA staff from the hotel (not the show) by any means necessary. Apparently Steven Corfman took the brunt of it and was assaulted in front of everybody by security in the lobby while being screamed at by CAP staff.

(read full thread for clarification that no punches were thrown).

 

[jas2587]

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As posted by Jerry at pokeraffiliatelistings.com

This just in from London, a fight has broken out in the lobby of the hotel between CAP, GPWA, & security. The details are still sketchy but apparently the show organizers instructed security to remove GPWA staff from the hotel (not the show) by any means necessary. Apparently Steven Corfman took the brunt of it and was assaulted in front of everybody by security in the lobby while being screamed at by CAP staff.

hmmmm......

Cindy

 

[Auditor]

There was not a fight.

Yes CAP staff had Steven forcefully removed from the event and then the Hotel.
Lou did tell JTodd to step outside to "settle this like men".
No punches were thrown.

 

[jas2587]

Thanks Glad cough to see Lou's health is better

Cindy

 

[RobWin]

There was not a fight.

Yes CAP staff had Steven forcefully removed from the event and then the Hotel.
Lou did tell JTodd to step outside to "settle this like men".
No punches were thrown.

LOL, I think ole J.Todd could take Lou myself... Apparently Lou has had a miraculous recover in his health if he's asking someone obviously in a hell of a lot better shape than he is in to step outside with him...real professional of Lou there huh...

Tell J to make us a new vid to post later tonight about this incident.

 

[Sassy1]

Perhaps a mod can change the title since it now appears it wasn't a fight, though technically, even though no punches were thrown, doesn't a verbal confrontation still qualify as a fight? Maybe the word fight can be changed to 'altercation?'

Never mind about help with the title change. I found out how to do it myself in "Go Advanced."

 

[RobWin]

I'm still sitting here laughing my A$$ off about this...

I've never seen someone as determined as Lou seems to be to bring his company down burning in flames, hell he doesn't have to worry about the GPWA or the APCW doing it, he is doing a purdy damn good job of it on his own...

 

[jas2587]

I'm still sitting here laughing my A$$ off about this...

I've never seen someone as determined as Lou seems to be to bring his company down burning in flames, hell he doesn't have to worry about the GPWA or the APCW doing it, he is doing a purdy damn good job of it on his own...

Now Rob remember he is Ill an had to resign a postion because of health reason but every time I saw some 1 argue heatedly their blood was pumpin an their veins was poppin face was beat red beads of sweat running off their face an their armpits stained stuttering cause you are so upset an mad that ya just wanna kick ass specially if you are the 1 calling the person out

but he is ILL
an as stated therewas no fight lol just a heated exchange

Cindy

 

[RobWin]

Well this $hit is really getting interesting now, Over at my Website Blog I just received this little comment left by Anonymous!! LOL

Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Traveling and Gambling":

You better not say anything else negative about CAP if you want to keep playing at ANY online casinos. This is a promise!

Publish this comment.

Reject this comment.

Moderate comments for this blog.

Posted by Anonymous to The Gambling Guru's Blog at January 30, 2009 4:28 PM

Now my question to myself is should I...

1. Publish It
2. Reject It or
3. Moderate It

Now this clearly sounds like a threat to me, maybe Lou wants to ask me to step outside with him too, not even man enough to leave his name with the comment, had to do it Anonymously...jeeze.. Didnt realize I was that popular

 

[mercy]

Really nice site. Love the layout of it.

You mean that quote by anonymous?

 

[RobWin]

Here's a link to the story that Gambling911 published a while ago...

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[Sassy1]

Has anyone heard from Casinomeister to know if he is okay?

I hope he didn't get shoved around by security guards too!

 

[maxd]

1. Publish It ....

That would be my vote, if for no other reason than it opens the door for further discussion which I have no doubt would be forthcoming.

 

[mojo]

Who would have ever dreamed it would come to this.

I say publish it too. No more lies and bullying! This is nothing less than abuse. I better leave it at that.

 

[BingoT]

All this has gone this far I say publish it too.
The many people need to know.
It's all about Who the &%^$%$ do we really Trust.

 

[Simmo!]

Has anyone heard from Casinomeister to know if he is okay?

I hope he didn't get shoved around by security guards too!

He wasn't there at the time.

 

[dominique]

Just a quick post before all the rumors hit:

Casinomeister was nowhere near the incident.

What I saw:

Steve (Michael Corfman's son) was forcibly escorted from the lobby of the hotel by hotel security guards.

Lateron I spoke to Michael, Steve and Jtodd in the lobby of the same Hotel. Everyone is unharmed but shook up.

Michael told me that they had had a meeting with the event organizer and Warren.

Jtodd told me that Lou asked him to step outside with him to "settle this like men".

No one is injured.

There are tons of rumors floating around. To correct some of them before they hit here:

No one was beaten up.

No one punched me out or even quarrelled with me at all.

Lou is not dead.


Ok, it's been a long day and it's 1 am here and I am going to bed.

 

[jas2587]

He wasn't there at the time.

Simmo this is great news here

Thanks

Cindy

well its all ready hit Google

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J.Todd's report on this "issue":

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Dear Friends,

Please excuse the fact that I am only going to cover basic facts in this post and try not to give opinion or speculation. This is a delicate situation, as you can imagine, and I know that Michael is reading all the posts on many forums before writing a reply. Below is the events in order that I was witness to personally.


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I arrived at the convention about mid-day and witnessed Steven outside the event with security speaking to him. He was obviously upset. I listened as they told him he could re-enter the hotel via the commons area in the lobby, but not return to the event.

After security left, Steven informed me that they had escorted him out of the CAP Event, even though had been registered in advance and was wearing his wrist band and a badge which granted him access.

Steven did as they instructed and walked around the building to the lobby entrance, and we had a day of meetings without ever going near the entrance to the CAP Event. It should be noted that the GPWA also had a paid room in this hotel.

Many hours past without incident, until I was speaking with Dom's assistant, Donna, in the hotel lobby. I personally witnessed Steven being "escorted" from the lobby in front of hundreds of stunned people. There were 4 security officers: 2 had Steven's arms pinned back in a "chicken wing" type of submission hold with his head forced forward. 2 more officers followed to keep people away. Steven was obviously in pain and loudly telling them they were hurting him, but they continued to push him toward the elevators at a very quick pace.

I immediately pulled out my camera phone and attempted to get some photos. One photo on my phone is not too bad, but the other two do not capture Steven at all, only the officers. They pressed Steven to an elevator face first, leaning on him with their weight to "force compliance" before pushing him into the elevator when it opened.

Dominique and Affiliate Manager Roman from Intertops were shouting at the officers to stop being so rough. Dom was obviously upset, and Roman was yelling that this was supposed to be a civilized country. The doors shut and Steven disappeared with the 4 officers, alone. He was being thrown out of the hotel... not just the Cap Event (We were later told by a reliable source that both of the ejections were personally ordered by Lou Fabiano). I was already calling Michael.

Michael was down within a few moments and was taken by security to meet with someone inside the event. From other statements I assume this was Warren Jolly, Lou's partner, and Alex Pratt, event organizer. I followed them as far as I could but had to stop when they entered the event.

I stood there for a few moments, not sure what to do... where Steven or Michael were... wondering if Rebecca had seen any of this. It was then that Lou Fabiano walked up behind me and things got even worse.

I turned and saw him starring at me. It was obvious he was furious. He said: "YOU ACTUALLY F---ING CAME TO MY EVENT???" I looked around to see if he had anyone with him that I hadn't noticed yet... he did not. I said, "Yea, obviously I did."

Lou then said: "Let's step outside and talk about this." I was puzzled, as there were numerous conference rooms. The thought of a fist fight was far from my mind because that's just absurd. So I said, "What?"

Lou said again: "Let's go outside --- me and you --- and settle this like men!". Absolutely stunned, my reply was, "Are you sure you want to do that?". He said he was damn sure. I said OK.

Now, at this point I wish to make it clear that I was still totally perplexed. It was hard to wrap my mind around the fact that Lou Fabiano, President of CAP, was truly challenging me to a fist fight. I was not angry. I did not shout. I did not curse. I had no intention of throwing a blow at all. In the back of my head for some reason, I was still not 100% certain he actually wanted to physically fight.

Hindsight what it is, I now fully realize the man was totally serious. Had I gone outside with him, I don't believe I would have actually gotten into a real fight. I am fairly agile and think I could have avoided an assault by Mr Fabiano who --- most likely --- would not have lasted very long before he tired or someone broke it up.

However, I was walking outside with him when another affiliate manager, Shay from Rummy Royal, stepped in. Having witnessed the whole exchange, and having known me for several years, Shay said:"J Todd, as your friend I am telling you that you are not going outside with him." The reality soon hit me. I thanked him for caring and having the courage to step in. I stopped and started to walk away.

Lou, however, wasn't done. He began to taunt me and shout across the lobby until Shay was able to calm him down as well. Lou just starred at me like he wanted to rip my soul out. I also have a picture of that on my phone (yea, I was calm enough to snap another picture! LOL!).


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The whole thing was a disgusting mess. It's been my job to report on the recent events of this industry, and that has hit Lou and Warren hard. And even though Michael and I have told the truth, reported facts, and done what we felt was best for the industry it's still very upsetting for me to be a part of something tearing this industry apart.

I am deeply saddened and very embarrassed to have been involved in something like this. I am sorry if anyone feels I acted incorrectly, and I hope you all forgive me if you feel that I've contributed to something that has hurt online gaming.

Warren had no part in these antics. Alex Pratt was wonderful and did his damn best to prevent these things from taking place. But I don't think anyone predicted that Lou would act in a way that seems to demonstrate a serious lack of judgment and common sense.


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FOR THE RECORD: There was no "brawl". There were no "punches". Michael didn't scream at anyone. And I never saw any police anywhere.

ALSO: You will have to wait for me to return State side to retrieve my pictures... I cannot send them to my email here.
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[tofu23]

I guess the main protagonists will thrash out a face saving truce behind closed doors in order to minimise the public shame of this Novotel Hotel rumble.

I can imagine (and understand) Fabiano not wanting to warmly welcome individuals, to an ostensibly CAP event, who threaten to further blow the lid on his festering corporate cauldron. It can be safely further stated that he well anticipated those said adversaries would indeed occupy a presence at least somewhere within the Novotel precincts given GPWA were hosting their own corporate room adjacent to CAP activities.

To what degree Fabiano orchestrated this confrontation is open to speculation having regard to things such as the accommodating performance of the Hotel security personnel. The challenge to Todd betrays a figure on the attack rather someone beckoning retreat.

I trust and pray all participants will reap what they sow.

..

 

[tofu23]

GPWA offer their version of events. If CAP survives this it can only be without Fabiano. This is a Shakespearean tragedy playing out before our eyes.

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The events of yesterday evening were pretty upsetting to me personally.

Alex Pratt, who works with the good folks at iGaming Business, and who does much of the hard work of organizing and putting on the events was also pretty clearly upset about what happened. I've known Alex for a long time, and have a great deal of respect for him, as I believe all in the industry who know him well do also.

And Warren of Affiliate Media - the company that operates the CAP website, and the company that partners with Alex's company in putting on the CAP events was clearly not happy about the situation either.

I'm going to try to avoid repeating what J.Todd said in his post earlier in this thread. He was present in the hotel lobby when the events occurred, and I was not, and the situation as he describes it is consistent with what I was told by Steven and by others present in the hotel lobby at the time.

I came down from a suite in the hotel when J.Todd called me about Steven to try to find out what had happened to him and where he was because all I knew from the phone call I received was that Steven had been forcefully taken away in the elevator from the hotel lobby.

So I took the elevator from the lobby level to street level, and found Steven outside the hotel. Steven was pretty shaken, but seemed to be doing as well as could be expected under the circumstances. Steven did not want to go back into the hotel at the time since he has been told the police would be called and he would be arrested if he came into the hotel again, but neither did he want to have to stay outside for long.

I went back inside and spoke with the three security guards that were inside the door to prevent Steven from coming inside. I explained that I did not believe they had a right to remove him from the hotel, and asked who they were. One said that he worked for the hotel and the other two security guards said they were hired by the event organizer.

I was told the order to remove Steven was given by the event organizer, and that I would need to talk with them. I agreed to be escorted to the event organizers office so I could discuss the matter with them. After a short delay I spoke with a woman who worked with Alex as part of the event organization team. She apologized for what had happened, and said that Steven should not have been removed from the building, and that he would be allowed to return inside.

Later I learned that the order to have Steven removed was given by Lou. I also learned that Lou was asked to leave the hotel by the other parties involved in organizing the event, that the hotel security staff were told that they were not to accept such order from Lou in the future, and that any future orders of that sort needed to be given by Alex.

When I went back outside to let Steven know he could come back into the hotel, I found him listening to an angry Lou who was waiting to leave in a taxi with his wife. While I was there Lou made a number of comments that were threatening to both Steven and I, and also that were threatening to J.Todd, and asked that we bring J.Todd outside. When Steven asked Lou if he really meant the threats that were being made, he confirmed that was the case and said we could publish it.

Shortly after I had gone back outside to see Steven, Alex and Warren also came outside. I learned that they had sent Lou outside to take a cab because they wanted him to leave the conference hotel. They made sure Lou got in the cab and we went inside. The four of us agreed to talk about the situation and to try to put things in a better place.

The four of us meet for a good hour, and we all were in agreement that it was not good for anyone for this sort of discord to exist.

Warren talked about wanting to work together as partners, and that an apology on our part would be a first step in making that happen. Personally, I had a hard time wrapping my head around the concept that we owe him an apology and he does not owe us one, but the conversation was in general a positive one with neither of us wanting public confrontations.

I talked with Alex later in the evening. As I said at the beginning of this post, I have known Alex for a long time and respect him very much. Alex said he was going to try to see that we were given passes for the conference because he thought that was the right thing to happen. This morning, while I was typing in this post, I received a text message from Alex letting me know that was the case. Thanks Alex, and thanks Warren for agreeing to Alex's request.

Personally, I just want to put this whole upsetting episode behind me. And I want to make sure that those who are upset about the situation don't associate it with Alex or Warren because it was not the doing of either of them.

Michael
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[heatherad]

What a shock to read about this fiasco!
Hard to believe that a grown man would stoop to such behavior and damage even further CAPs' reputation.
If anything, Lou should of been trying his best to put bandaids on the wounds he created instead of pouring vinegar into the cut. What a great opportunity for him to put himself out there and try to resolve as many issues as possible in an effort for damage control.
His actions in a public surrounding should be a clear wake up call to CAP that it is time to let Lou go and if it is overlooked then perhaps its time to put CAP to sleep.

 

[lots0]

Rob I been getting stuff like that from CAP ever since I put them on my Blacklist.

What a shock to read about this fiasco!

Not a shock to me... I've seen this side of Lou many times.

 

[jetset]

After watching in astonishment this story unfold at one remove (I had already left London when the excitement started) I can only endorse the following comment made earlier here:

"....and we all were in agreement that it was not good for anyone for this sort of discord to exist."

There has to be a better way of handling this situation than we have seen thus far, and hopefully some sort of truce has been agreed until professionalism and good sense can return.

And forget about who's going to apologise to who - don't let such an egocentric concept derail a sensible rapprochement.

 

[jas2587]

Dom, J Todd an them keep saying no 1 was hurt no punches was thrown
WTF they put this Steven kid in the police chicken wing stance an from what the Officers my daughter serves at her job say this is not a very smooth move Steven is hurting today because of a ASSHOLE named LOU
an I think the son might have a lawsuit against Cap the Hotel the private security etc if it proven he has done no wrong an from what I have read he hasnt

Lou a grown man with a heart condition yeah an I am pregnat with 8 kids on the way
Dom goes in 1 post I wasnt hit some 1 else posted didnt see where any 1 asked about you Dom
she also posted Lou isnt dead havent seen any reports of the demise of Lou

DRAMA they are trying to sidestep the issues an hope all will be forgot

I hope all the affilates Dump CAP an what ever they would do better on their own

of course this is all IMO an you affilates should be thinkin the same way

Good Luck to all

Cindy

 

[lots0]

Cindy, Dom has posted the same exact statement on just about every gambling forum board I have seen.

 

[jas2587]

Cindy, Dom has posted the same exact statement on just about every gambling forum board I have seen.

yeah I have noticed that like a prepared statement
shame it really is that it has all come to this
sad in deed
with the pending USA players problems an now this

Cindy

 

[mojo]

And forget about who's going to apologise to who - don't let such an egocentric concept derail a sensible rapprochement.

I would just add to this that many of us would feel a lot better if SOMEONE from the CAP camp could apologize publically to Steven. I think that much is due. I don't worry so much about JTodd, he can take it. But the incident with Steven is hard to take. An apology would go far.

 

[pokeraddict]

It seems a company that seems so quick to threaten lawsuits is dying to end up on the wrong side of several.

 

[Nandakishore]

I would just add to this that many of us would feel a lot better if SOMEONE from the CAP camp could apologize publically to Steven. I think that much is due.

I just checked the CAP forum. There is not a word there about the London incident.

 

[mojo]

I just checked the CAP forum. There is not a word there about the London incident.

Not unusual lol. But some brave souls have spoken out. I hope this tooo is not played down Nan.

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I'm not in London, but it sounds to me like there was a loud argument, and then Mr. Corfman was escorted from the building. Is that really such a big deal?

And given all the anti-CAP content produced by APCW and GPWA lately, one has to wonder why they are there at CAP Euro in the first place.

 

[spearmaster]

Let's keep the discussion civil please. A lot of information has come out of there but we do not have the whole picture yet, so please try to avoid wild speculation.

Methinks we'll hear more about this tomorrow.

 

[RobWin]

Personally I think that this whole incident in London is simply just another one of Lou's diversionary tactics to divert attention away from the real issue at hand here regarding their (CAP's) involvement in the Cardspike situation and whether or not they, (CAP) are in fact the owners of it or connected in anyway to ownership of the poker room.

Hope that's civil enough, but the article that I just finished writing and getting ready to publish on my website may not be as civil though! but that's the good thing about certain parts of the web, that we are still able to fully express our opinions and thoughts, seems as of late though that Casinomeister is becoming more and more regulated away from that freedom of speech...IMO

 

[Auditor]

Not unusual lol. But some brave souls have spoken out. I hope this tooo is not played down Nan.

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I see the thread is no longer viewable.

 

[jas2587]

Personally I think that this whole incident in London is simply just another one of Lou's diversionary tactics to divert attention away from the real issue at hand here regarding their (CAP's) involvement in the Cardspike situation and whether or not they, (CAP) are in fact the owners of it or connected in anyway to ownership of the poker room.

Hope that's civil enough, but the article that I just finished writing and getting ready to publish on my website may not be as civil though! but that's the good thing about certain parts of the web, that we are still able to fully express our opinions and thoughts, seems as of late though that Casinomeister is becoming more and more regulated away from that freedom of speech...IMO

Rob come on you been a member how long you know that Bryan has always been this way about the post made by members an you never made a stink till now hmmmm no one likes to be censered but if they didnt do it there would be all kinds of chit posted here they have to censer it an You know that


Cindy

 

[lots0]

I see the thread is no longer viewable.

Is anyone surprised?

I did read the thread before it was shut down, mostly long time CAP members voicing their outrage at Lou... I'll bet there have been more CAP bannings.

 

[mojo]

I see the thread is no longer viewable.

Oh for CRISSAKES! Another thread gone and probably pple banned. I am so dam SICK of this! Is it ME? Or are we all so very very tired of this. Really.

Sorry Auditor, not yelling at you. lol

Sorry I didnt copy the whole thing. At least I got the above post by NathanCap. Seems that's what you have to do at CAP.

 

[slotplayer]

the thread is perfectly viewable if you're logged in. Maybe it was moved to another area.

 

[mojo]

the thread is perfectly viewable if you're logged in. Maybe it was moved to another area.

Yes, similar to when Casinomeisters post was 'moved' and he was subsequently banned. Same same.

 

[pokeraddict]

the thread is perfectly viewable if you're logged in. Maybe it was moved to another area.

Correct, it is now in their private area.

 

[swampwitch]

Has anyone heard how today's festivities went? Have the parties involved all kissed and made up, promising once again to all work together for the WalMart-like stranglehold on the industry, er I mean, greater good that the two sides have enjoyed lo these many years?

Sorry kids, but considering the fact that until recently the GPWA has basically been a suburb of CAP, the conspiracy theorist in me cannot help but wonder if the whole thing wasn't a smokescreen devised by the higher-ups of both organizations.

 

[Auditor]

Not viewable by us banned folks.

 

[dominique]

I just spent over half an hour writing a lengthy account and when I hit the send button, the hotel internet system hijacked me to add another payment for more connection time. So I lost it all.

Now I don't have enough time to redo, so this post will be a lot shorter. The main points are:

I didn't post a "statement" on three boards, it was late at night and I wanted to give a quick update and I was too tired to rewrite it three times, so I took the shortcut and copied. Sorry.

Michael, Jtodd and Steve were all in attendance yeaterday with badges and all. Lou and Warren were also there and all went peacefully and as normal.

I met for some time with Michael and Jtodd and discussed the communities and we see eye to eye with these issues. We did not discuss anything pertaining to business as I have no involvement or influence there.

The rumors I posted a few days ago - 1600 people were talking in groups, and most people didn't witness anything. When I heard a particularly nasty rumor more than twice I posted a disclaimer so it would not be picked up by bloggers and circulated online. Looks like it worked, thank god. There are still a bunch of other rumors flying, as one can expect.

I am very frustrated - I spent all my time putting out fires and establishing communication instead of doing the work I came for. At least one good thing came of it, communication lines are wide open now for the communities.

 

[Simmo!]

...but that's the good thing about certain parts of the web, that we are still able to fully express our opinions and thoughts, seems as of late though that Casinomeister is becoming more and more regulated away from that freedom of speech...IMO

Casinomeister is "regulated" in so much as that posters are expected to be respectful, considerate and act with a degree of integrity. Deviate from that ethos and you can find yourself in the realms of gossip and slander which, as you quite rightly point out Rob, you can post elsewhere.

 

[jas2587]

I just spent over half an hour writing a lengthy account and when I hit the send button, the hotel internet system hijacked me to add another payment for more connection time. So I lost it all.

Now I don't have enough time to redo, so this post will be a lot shorter. The main points are:

I didn't post a "statement" on three boards, it was late at night and I wanted to give a quick update and I was too tired to rewrite it three times, so I took the shortcut and copied. Sorry.

Michael, Jtodd and Steve were all in attendance yeaterday with badges and all. Lou and Warren were also there and all went peacefully and as normal.

I met for some time with Michael and Jtodd and discussed the communities and we see eye to eye with these issues. We did not discuss anything pertaining to business as I have no involvement or influence there.

The rumors I posted a few days ago - 1600 people were talking in groups, and most people didn't witness anything. When I heard a particularly nasty rumor more than twice I posted a disclaimer so it would not be picked up by bloggers and circulated online. Looks like it worked, thank god. There are still a bunch of other rumors flying, as one can expect.

I am very frustrated - I spent all my time putting out fires and establishing communication instead of doing the work I came for. At least one good thing came of it, communication lines are wide open now for the communities.

you stated the other day the people would be unbanned
so why are registered people unable to access the area that pertains to the London incedent

also why has it completly vanished from the CAP website like nothing at all happened

it is clear that there was in fact words spoke between Lou an J Todd
it is clear that Steven was manhandled like a common criminal an ejected from the hotel
when his group was having a event there also and they had hotel rooms

why has this all vanished from the site

just cause they had badges an all went peacefully and as normal does not mean the all really is Normal

Cindy

 

[spearmaster]

...but that's the good thing about certain parts of the web, that we are still able to fully express our opinions and thoughts, seems as of late though that Casinomeister is becoming more and more regulated away from that freedom of speech...IMO

LOL, I didn't even see that...

Ok. Let's get this straight:

I (speaking for myself, not the other moderators) have no intention whatsoever to restrict speech or even discourage discussion. I have repeatedly made this clear on various occasions.

However, there are circumstances under which it is necessary to try to guide people who have strayed a bit out of their way - regardless of what you may think, there still have to be some rules and regulations for most things, including posting forums.

I don't run your blog - and thus I don't set the rules. This is why personal blogs exist. However, in a community, there needs to be a little bit of common sense used for everyone as a whole - and when things get a bit out of control I then ask for a little help from the members of this community.

Let's make that clear up front. And since I am the one most actively doing this, I must assume that I am being seen as the one restricting "freedom of speech".

So let's make another thing clear - everyone is welcome to speak their minds, offer their opinions, share their thoughts, their joys, their sorrows, etc, as they would in any other public situation. Casinomeister has always welcomed these postings provided that they do not breach the few rules of the forum.

However, if you wish to utter words which could potentially put you in a bit of a bind, the Casinomeister forums cannot permit itself to be used as a medium for this purpose, just as it is not permitted to use the forums or the facilities for the purpose of defrauding operators.

Kindly understand that this is being done for the benefit of the community as a whole, and not to accommodate the whims of a few.

 

[dominique]

you stated the other day the people would be unbanned
so why are registered people unable to access the area that pertains to the London incedent

also why has it completly vanished from the CAP website like nothing at all happened

it is clear that there was in fact words spoke between Lou an J Todd
it is clear that Steven was manhandled like a common criminal an ejected from the hotel
when his group was having a event there also and they had hotel rooms

why has this all vanished from the site

just cause they had badges an all went peacefully and as normal does not mean the all really is Normal

Cindy

I can see every thread I am aware of and posting in these continues. Cap has an area similair to the America the beautiful that is only accessible to full members.

If any threads have been moved I am not aware of it, I can't be actively moderating while I am not there. I have tried to make time to update the communities, usually late at night and very quickly.

Just like Bryan cannot be here while travelling, I can't either, I am making every effort to at least update on the day's happenings as they develop. One post does not negate another, they are merely accounts of what I saw on any particular day.

 

[jas2587]

I can see every thread I am aware of and posting in these continues. Cap has an area similair to the America the beautiful that is only accessible to full members.

If any threads have been moved I am not aware of it, I can't be actively moderating while I am not there. I have tried to make time to update the communities, usually late at night and very quickly.

Just like Bryan cannot be here while travelling, I can't either, I am making every effort to at least update on the day's happenings as they develop. One post does not negate another, they are merely accounts of what I saw on any particular day.

ok I can understand that Thanks
Cindy

 

[RobWin]

Casinomeister is "regulated" in so much as that posters are expected to be respectful, considerate and act with a degree of integrity. Deviate from that ethos and you can find yourself in the realms of gossip and slander which, as you quite rightly point out Rob, you can post elsewhere.

LOL, I didn't even see that...

Ok. Let's get this straight:

I (speaking for myself, not the other moderators) have no intention whatsoever to restrict speech or even discourage discussion. I have repeatedly made this clear on various occasions.

However, there are circumstances under which it is necessary to try to guide people who have strayed a bit out of their way - regardless of what you may think, there still have to be some rules and regulations for most things, including posting forums.

I don't run your blog - and thus I don't set the rules. This is why personal blogs exist. However, in a community, there needs to be a little bit of common sense used for everyone as a whole - and when things get a bit out of control I then ask for a little help from the members of this community.

Let's make that clear up front. And since I am the one most actively doing this, I must assume that I am being seen as the one restricting "freedom of speech".

So let's make another thing clear - everyone is welcome to speak their minds, offer their opinions, share their thoughts, their joys, their sorrows, etc, as they would in any other public situation. Casinomeister has always welcomed these postings provided that they do not breach the few rules of the forum.

However, if you wish to utter words which could potentially put you in a bit of a bind, the Casinomeister forums cannot permit itself to be used as a medium for this purpose, just as it is not permitted to use the forums or the facilities for the purpose of defrauding operators.

Kindly understand that this is being done for the benefit of the community as a whole, and not to accommodate the whims of a few.

I totally understand both you and Simmos thoughts and comments there, probably more than a lot here do since I have been around this forum for quite awhile now and I totally agree with both of you on your points here. You guys have to maintain a certain degree of order and ethical behavior in a forum of this size or else total chaos could ensue at any given time. In most instances I too would do the same if I were in your position as moderator.

That type of behavior would not be a professional or cordial way to act by any forum member here in any way; shape or form and I too agree that it should not be tolerated. I have never had any problem with any of you fine folks maintaining order in the forums in any way you thought fit to do so and this is the very first time in the five years that I have been here that I have ever even mentioned anything about or regarding the way or manner that the forum is policed.

The only problem in my view that I have noticed over the past few months is the quickness and agile manner that comments have been made to insure that no one dared say the wrong thing or act in the wrong way. Several of those occasions I could see your point and agreed in my mind that you had done the right and just thing before the issue escalated, but this last warning here in post #32 where you said "Let's keep the discussion civil please" was IMO just a bit over the top, and I mean no disrespect in that comment whatsoever.

I have read every post in this thread and for the life of me cannot see anything at all that you were referring to as not being civil. I think that the other posters that have posted in this thread have merely only stated their thoughts and opinions and the way I saw that comment was maybe you being either over zealous or merely trying to set a prerequisite for the manner in which anymore future thoughts and opinions are to be given, stated or formed. But that's merely my opinion in the way I understood that comment and I may have misinterpreted your thoughts there.

I also know that you are ardently active and intensely devoted to maintaining order in the boards here and I praise your efforts for doing such a fine an diligent job of it but in retrospect I can also see how this fervent style could possibly make a lot of potential great posters gun shy of this constant action. The past five years that I have hung around here I can hardly remember no more than one or two instances where certain threads have gotten out of hand, so in that respect I think that the forum members here, both past and present have done a purdy good job of maintaining civility without the need to be warned often.

Like I said, I mean no disrespect whatsoever toward you or any other mod here but this is just my opinion on this issue that has been bothering me for awhile now and if I did not speak my mind about it then I would not be the person that I am. Hope you can understand where I am coming from on this.

 

[jetset]

I'm all for keeping posts civil and balanced here, and I therefore endorse the comments made by Simmo and Spear.

Casinomeister remains one of the most liberal yet informative of the big message boards in the industry and that is due to the nature of the community and the efforts on the rare occasions that these are required of the mods here.