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Beware!! Credit Card Thieves

BMWSTACK

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I am posting this as a reminder for all to pay attention to all Credit Card/Bank accounts.

I just received a call from bank that I had about 5 transaction attempt to go through for anywhere between $5 -$700. :eek: The transactions were both US and international. One was listed as a food bank one was listed as a book store, so the descriptors vary. The bank was smart enough to realize that something was going on, those transactions were blocked and no money was taken. The only pain in the neck is waiting for a new card.

I don't use the card much at stores, never give credit card info over phone or email, and am very careful about even a server at a restaurant walking away with the card.

The reality is the card is mostly used at online gaming, and mostly at one casino. The breach could have taken place anywhere. It could be a skimmer the card was run through (doubt this one because rarely use it at stores), it could have been an employee getting access to this information, an electronic breach, or im sure a dozen other scenarios.

You see the large breaches such as with a Target or Sony. You would think they would have the best security to protect from a mass breach. The reality is, no one is safe from having an electronic theft.

Look at your transactions online at least once a day. Usually the thieves will attempt a smaller transaction or authorization first, then will start trying to get larger amounts. If you can catch that $1 charge where you don't recognize the descriptor or know its not an authorized charge, you have a good chance of it never going through and preventing the attempt for larger amount. Of course we are all typically protected even if you don't catch it right away, but there's obviously a much bigger hassle after the fact.
 
Had this pop-up last week on my card which is solely used for gambling transactions. The web site itself (Shiny Templates) is just a template with expired SSL certificates and no way of actually buying anything.

CapitalOne are looking into the transaction and have been refunded.

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Did you get the card cancelled? Once you get one bogus transaction you unfortunately have to get that card cancelled and get a new one.
 
It happened to me last week with Capital one also...it is the one card I use solely for online gaming. They cancelled the card immediately and issued me new one. I do check that card often because of using it on line but Capital One caught it immediately.
 
Having experienced two instances of thefts by credit card - both completely inexplicable - my faith in the security of credit cards has been severely dented, and I use mine only sparingly (and really carefully) nowadays.

The banks are pretty good about reversing the charges in these genuine cases, but as BMWStack says, it's the hassle of changing credit cards and the anxiety while the bank investigates before reversing.

I have a back-up security measure whereby the bank emails and sms's me on every transaction over $100, so that I get immediate warning on such transactions - that enabled me to alert the bank within minutes of the last time these bastards managed to access a clone of my card in a neighbouring country.
 
What the fukers do is try taking small amounts and if works go for gold, There is alot of dogy sites out there and even if safe than what about the workers?
I see op mention do not give card server at restraunts? This does not happen where im from in uk, Yes in London more likely but all chip and pin now days, but there is a lot of scams and I no that alot of corner shops used to skim cards and cctv had the captuer of details, It still happens but mostly from european, E.G ploand ect, Please no 1 take offencse but where there used to be asian corner shops its now european shops & its rife for details to be cloned,
All these sites now days that are only in for our money, The dodgy 1s that is, take our details, than it only takes a employe to use this info to scam us of our hard cash,

Im glad that op bank clicked on, but saying that they must of known, saying a few transactions is from 1 place than another ? But agin these feffs use same internet probly in same cafe, If they can can get a few withdraws than why not keep tring,

Back to op, Where did they get numbers from? Surely if it was from a casino site they would of tried a 50 or 100 saying from casino+++ bank would of looked and said oh another gamble site, But as the bank most of known its was already dodgy it red light it,
 

Thats what all bank should do is sms if tranasaction over certain amount, What if you had a few millon and a few hundrud was taken every day, You would not no, As my reply stated above, not only do I no its rife but also no people that worked in banks and got numbers, Who the fuk can you trust now days
 
My Citicard was hit yesterday. I never use it for gambling. Strictly for purchases and it has been months since I last used it. When the bank called to say there was suspicious activity last night in the amount of $1.40, they asked if I made that charge.

Interestng to know that something so small triggered the fraud department. Glad to know they watch for these things. That was the only activity as I said for months so it was a double trigger in the fraud department thank goodness.

Thieves will try anything to steal other peoples money. Please take care, even with cards not used often. I usually start canceling my cards and requesting new card numbers around the 6 month period to avoid this. Consider doing this to help protect yourself. I do this on my cards I use for gambling, but I will be doing this on ALL my cards from here on out.

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I forgot to mention, Barcalys has a massive call center in india, They had millons of details swiped, If I can pull up the page I will put link in, Arsse wipes,
Sorry you cannot work here, Need I.D, certificates, health and saftey, green cards, gas safe regester, mot, tax, insurances, poll tax, tv license just to name a few. and u get f+uking I.D nicked with not even noing. employing people on a 50p an hr wage, Its about time this goverment got shut down as doing none of us in uk any favours
 
Back to op, Where did they get numbers from? Surely if it was from a casino site they would of tried a 50 or 100 saying from casino+++ bank would of looked and said oh another gamble site, But as the bank most of known its was already dodgy it red light it,

Normally the information is stolen and sold. So if it was a casino processor that had breach or employee theft, then its going to be someone completely different trying to process.

One of the charges was descripted as a Food Bank, so they are trying to use good causes to cover fraud.
 
Hey, if you somehow use 1 card per casino operator, we'd know who the culprit is!

Whoever did this obviously deserves to go to the rogue pit, but who is it...
 
Hey, if you somehow use 1 card per casino operator, we'd know who the culprit is!

Whoever did this obviously deserves to go to the rogue pit, but who is it...

Most of the time it would be the processor that has a breach or theft. There could also be a theft at the casino because of all the Docs that are sent to the casino. All it takes is one rogue employee.
 
Card had three further transactions on Friday and Saturday. Thankfully Capital One caught them all and blocked them.

Going to be hard to pinpoint where the details were leaked but have only used this card at NetEnt Casinos.
 
you should all discuss the gaming sites you play on with eachother

you should all post the gaming sites you have used in last 60 days if there enough people.
that way find the leak :) there's bound to be one person who only plays at one or two or see if there all mostly one casino group
could even just inbox each other and try and work it out then post results if there is a clear casino or proseser they use the name of the proseser should be on credit card statement
 
you should all post the gaming sites you have used in last 60 days if there enough people.
that way find the leak :) there's bound to be one person who only plays at one or two or see if there all mostly one casino group
could even just inbox each other and try and work it out then post results if there is a clear casino or proseser they use the name of the proseser should be on credit card statement

I have communicated via pm with others and so far it's hard to narrow down. Nicola now saying she only plays Netent makes it seem very widespread and harder to narrow it down. I have never played Netent only RTG. I would assume they wouldnt be using same processors. I wouldn't think Netent would have to use these shady RTG processors.
 
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I have communicated via pm with others and so far it's hard to narrow down. Nicola now saying she only plays Netent makes it seem very widespread and harder to narrow it down. I have never played Netent only RTG. I would assume they wouldnt be using same processors. I wouldn't think Netent would have to use these shady RTG processors.

Well, now I have had my second card hit. I only use two for online games and I use them exclusively for that----no other charges.

This morning my cardholder called me on the phone and said "are these your charges----?"
No they obviously weren't, since mine would have been processors.

This person hit TARGET Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA stores for $445.95 twice! Then went to 1-800-FLOWERS, New York, USA and evidently ordered flowers.

Then they bought what appears to be three tickets on ANTRAK AIR out of ACCRA, Ghana, AFRICA!!!!

I looked up this airline and it appears to be a very small commute airline. It goes from ACCRA to Kumasi, Sunyani, Takoradi and Tamale. If it comes to the US they don't advertise it.

They were once grounded because of a fire on their ONLY aircraft.

My cards certainly do get around the world!

Fortunately again the bank caught the charges and cancelled the card. Now the TARGET and the Flowers could have been ordered online, but they have to be in Ghana to use that airplane!

I guess I won't be playing online for awhile as those are the only two cards I will use.

MaryJean

p.s. I only play at InetBet, Jackpot Capital, Slotastic and Liberty.
 
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1st of I would try and find out where the flowers were geting sent to? This will most probably only be getting sent to an unexpected
victim whom the con artist in africa is also trying to scam by using other identity to try and take all there cash, 2nd let them get on the plane and hope it crashes,
Theres been programs on tv here in u.k about theses scammers in nigera ect, dozens of um al in a internet cafe, Terrible stuff
 
1st of I would try and find out where the flowers were geting sent to? This will most probably only be getting sent to an unexpected
victim whom the con artist in africa is also trying to scam by using other identity to try and take all there cash, 2nd let them get on the plane and hope it crashes,
Theres been programs on tv here in u.k about theses scammers in nigera ect, dozens of um al in a internet cafe, Terrible stuff


The Nigerian group has been around for a long time and really are ridiculous in their scams. I mean REALLY---I don't have a billionaire Uncle who lived in East Timbuktu and died leaving me his Mansion that I really must send all of my financial info immediately to receive this Mansion before it is destroyed by ------.

Nor did I win some Raffle that now must be collected in US coin.---I never entered---and I would have remembered!!!!

I guess someone must bite or surely they would give up.

The plane crash I like though.

MaryJean:D
 
When mine got hit for the clothes, I did email the store. Didn't call because they are in England. They answered immediately but would only give the bank any information and I wasn't going to involved them but I guess I should have. This particular business has online sales as well as walk in so I'm guessing that they ordered online.

I alerted all the casinos I used it at, CW group, Slotocash, SlotsCapital, Inetbet, and had them cancel the card on their end.

Knock on wood, haven't had it happen again.
 
This thread is rather worrying, seems the fraudsters in this case are being rather brazen.

Capital One are being unhelpful in my case and have only just cancelled the card (they said you don't need to cancel the card as you're covered for fraud!) Trying using that as an excuse when they take it over the credit limit.
 
One way to use stolen credit card details is that the crook sets up a travel agency, the unsuspeting customers pay him cash, but he charges the tickets to the stolen cards. By the time the customers realise that their tickets are no good, the crook has disappeared with their money. This could explain the plane tickets.
 
My mom had her card stolen last week. She banks with a credit union and they use an outside company to watch for fraud. They charged $175 at an online clothing store located in Britain then proceeded to try and charge 3 more times. She was refunded, but is still waiting on more info regarding this. Won't say where she gambles as it is not proven anything came from using it there. Just be careful everyone too many crazy people in this world.

I received a call today that I was in the emergency room on June 9th at a hospital 50 miles away from me and I was admitted. Yep, you guessed it I was not and someone used my identity to get admitted to the hospital. I have never been a victim of identity fraud before so this has really got my stomach in knots. The lengths people go to these days is sickening!!!
 
hmmmmmmmm,

Me too. 8 charges were attempted 6 overseas merchants and 2 in the US..........

No way for me to pin it down since I bounce all over between many sites.

But Fraud Service refunded all the charges immediately and cancelled the card.

I like the suggestion of one card per site so you can track it easier.

Fortunately no losses sustained and my fraud company which can be a pain the butt when I WANT to a larger charge did come through for me.

Diane
 
Hopefully whatever processor this is happening to has figured it out and took steps to resolve the breach.

A lot of the scenarios sound identical.
 
Contacted Casino

I contacted Slotastic last night (where I 'think' my problem originated) and they blocked both of my cards. They were very gracious and apologized for my problems.

I don't believe that 'they' had anything to do with it, but I think that one of their processors did, because it was there that I first was denied a deposit 'because my card had been overused'.(standard error excuse)

I supposed at the time that I had played there more than I thought, but then when I found that one of my cards had been hacked----it was the OTHER card than the one I attempted to use at Slotastic.

To check things out I went to Jackpot Capital and deposited---using the card that had been denied at Slotastic. It was at that time good. The next day I received the call from that cards fraud dept. and it too had been hacked.

Now the question is---how did the processor at Slotastic recognize that there was a problem with the second card when it was still active---and Jackpot Capital had accepted it???hmmmm?

MaryJean
 
Sometimes cards get denied for one reason or another , but will then go through a second time. Also they probably have more than one processor so it could have been a different processor when depositing at Jackpot.

Are you saying you have now had a second card that had fraud?
 
Sometimes cards get denied for one reason or another , but will then go through a second time. Also they probably have more than one processor so it could have been a different processor when depositing at Jackpot.

Are you saying you have now had a second card that had fraud?

Yes---two of them---One a MC debit card and the other a Visa credit card.

Within a day of each other. Both were ONLY used at online casinos.

Both had charges for Airlines. One in Africa and one in Dublin, Ireland. (plus other 'stuff').

Neither my card nor I ever left home.

MaryJean
 
Just a thought but are you all sure its employees of casinos that are getting your card details. Are you sure there is no virus on your pc or possibility that your pc has been hacked as then it would be easy for them to get your details. Especially if its a card that only gets used online and also someone had 2 cards hacked within a couple of days.
 
Just a thought but are you all sure its employees of casinos that are getting your card details. Are you sure there is no virus on your pc or possibility that your pc has been hacked as then it would be easy for them to get your details. Especially if its a card that only gets used online and also someone had 2 cards hacked within a couple of days.


I doubt that it is my computer. Three reasons at least---one: I ran all of my security checks since this happened and the computer is clean.

Second:---the ONLY two cards that are in question are the ONLY two that I use for online casinos----

Third:---online casinos are the ONLY place I use either one of them.

I doubt that it is an employee of the casino---it is probably the processor----look at how many of us have had this happen in the last few days, playing on different platforms.

The processors are a 'business' and as such surely 'work' for various clients.

MaryJean
 
That is why I asked maryjean as like you said you only use the 2 cards online at online casinos. So if anyone managed to hack your pc that is the 2 they would get. Many security checks and virus scans do not pick up every infection on a pc.

Why would it be the only 2? She siad she only used 2 cards for gamble and most probs use other cards for bills and shoping ect, If a virus than surley would of picked them up to? Hense pretty sure it was the casino side of things,
Also its pretty clear its a casino side of things as you do not see tesco or argos asking for scans of your I.D :)
 
Why would it be the only 2? She siad she only used 2 cards for gamble and most probs use other cards for bills and shoping ect, If a virus than surley would of picked them up to? Hense pretty sure it was the casino side of things,
Also its pretty clear its a casino side of things as you do not see tesco or argos asking for scans of your I.D :)

Was not saying it was a virus and I had not posted it just for maryjean. Had made the point that peoples credit card details can be obtained via there pc so its a possibility even tho the casino processor is probably the right call. And if you have id scanned on your pc that can be obtained the same way as your credit card details tho no one would need them to use your card. Anyway why is it these days everyone jumps on the offensive when someone makes a simple suggestion. Most credit cards and bank details are actually obtained from a persons pc which is why I suggested it. Don't know why I bother.
 
Was not saying it was a virus and I had not posted it just for maryjean. Had made the point that peoples credit card details can be obtained via there pc so its a possibility even tho the casino processor is probably the right call. And if you have id scanned on your pc that can be obtained the same way as your credit card details tho no one would need them to use your card. Anyway why is it these days everyone jumps on the offensive when someone makes a simple suggestion. Most credit cards and bank details are actually obtained from a persons pc which is why I suggested it. Don't know why I bother.

Didnt mean no offensive there, My wording my of sounded abit wrong, Please do not take this in any bad way, I was just saying that you are right and pc do get attacked, Its only happen to be the cards she uses on casinos, What was stoping them from taking details from other cards?

Happy Spinning
 
Didnt mean no offensive there, My wording my of sounded abit wrong, Please do not take this in any bad way, I was just saying that you are right and pc do get attacked, Its only happen to be the cards she uses on casinos, What was stoping them from taking details from other cards?

Happy Spinning

We are all certainly vulnerable to computer hacking, but from the experience I have had with this deposit problem and the fact that other people are experiencing the same type fraudulent charges at the same time and seemingly from the same sources, leads me to believe that it is probably the processors.

It would be a great coincidence if it were a computer hacker for my personal computer on my desk at home and another computer hacker for one of the others at the same time.

The evidence just seems to lean towards the processors. But ALL of our ideas put together will tend to keep us ALL on our toes!

AND perhaps the casinos will check up on the agencies that they use, if that is possible.

The last resort would be that we ALL quit playing online casino games. NOW there is a thought!

OR how about this one?----We ALL throw our computers in the trash and go back to paper and pencil????:D

MaryJean
 

pen and pencil sounds good, would save me alot of cash and alot less headaches,
No mater what security there is now days unfortunately theres always going to be fraud in this technology world, Only other week in other threads reps was saying that all is secure and goes straight to head of payments? But VWM insistead that sending emails is nether safe and when even if got threw syber safe than who is really at the other end of the email, Only takes 1 crook to snap a shot or foward emails,
We all to trusting really and 99% of the time there really is not need to send threw all documents ect
 
I remember clicking on a banner last month on CM to a RTG site and I entered my Mastercard (Capital One) number in the casino software but the payment rejected. When speaking with their support staff they told me they do not accept players from the UK using a Mastercard.

Would highly doubt it was any of the NetEnt sites I used as they have third party verification on all transactions.

Can't remember the RTG site I joined, sorry :(
 
The misappropriation of credit card details by bent staff in many businesses, especially in the third world is a bigger problem than they will admit. The problem is brushed under the carpet due to the businesses love of low-cost foreign outsourcing. Thieves are paid several dollars for each of the valid card details they supply, and then the fraudsters take over. No amount of online security will stop some low-paid employees doing this. But hey! they're cheap and it happens...
 
The misappropriation of credit card details by bent staff in many businesses, especially in the third world is a bigger problem than they will admit. The problem is brushed under the carpet due to the businesses love of low-cost foreign outsourcing. Thieves are paid several dollars for each of the valid card details they supply, and then the fraudsters take over. No amount of online security will stop some low-paid employees doing this. But hey! they're cheap and it happens...

Yes--everything looks REAL Secure!!! Just look at the spam on this forum today!!!

BUY CHEAP---REAL OR FAKE!

And they actually ADVERTISE it!!!!

"Where are the Cops when you need them?":eek:

MaryJean
 
Fraud

Well add me to the list. Five charges ranging from 4-285 yesterday on my debit card. Only one that went through was for match.com. It's most likely from Club World, perhaps Slots.lv. Last time I went through this with INB 2 years ago, 3 cards used, all 3 stolen within a 3 month period.

Just started playing at Club World again on June 13 after years of not playing so I'm pretty sure it's their processor. So damn irritating...
 
With all these cases I am getting very reluctant to use my cards online now... :eek2::eek2:
Mostly I use Skrill for deposits anyway which go through my prepaid MC,hopefully I won't be targeted by these vile scumbags... :mad:
 
We are all certainly vulnerable to computer hacking, but from the experience I have had with this deposit problem and the fact that other people are experiencing the same type fraudulent charges at the same time and seemingly from the same sources, leads me to believe that it is probably the processors.
MaryJean

It's either the processors or the casinos directly. My experience of using a replacement card ONLY at INB and having the card stolen within 10 days proved it for me. There are some serious problems with these casinos with security/processors/whatever the hell they are doing or rather are not doing.
 
It's either the processors or the casinos directly. My experience of using a replacement card ONLY at INB and having the card stolen within 10 days proved it for me. There are some serious problems with these casinos with security/processors/whatever the hell they are doing or rather are not doing.

I have been wondering what will happen when I get a replacement card.

I think I shall experiment one place at a time and s-l-o-wly.

Or maybe not at all---I am with you---I am getting leery. I have been playing for years with no trouble and now all of a sudden---two of them---both at places I thought were trustworthy.

I notice that none of the reps have chimed in to this thread at all! Even when we have named names.

MaryJean
 
I notice that none of the reps have chimed in to this thread at all! Even when we have named names.
MaryJean

I don't expect reps to really address the problem because it is obviously a huge issue. Remember, the people that are posting about this here are a very small fraction of players. So this type of fraud could affect hundreds or even thousands of players. What casino rep is going to state that kind of info and expect players to trust their security from now on? What guarantee and assurance can they give?

I've been dealing with fraud back to the days of using Paypal to deposit at casinos. Even had my name, address, phone number, credit card used, etc. along with hundreds of other players info posted on the web by some disgruntled employee (don't recall the casino) years ago. Was a bit freaky to see that info even though I canceled the card before it was posted.
 
I don't expect reps to really address the problem because it is obviously a huge issue. Remember, the people that are posting about this here are a very small fraction of players. So this type of fraud could affect hundreds or even thousands of players. What casino rep is going to state that kind of info and expect players to trust their security from now on? What guarantee and assurance can they give?

I've been dealing with fraud back to the days of using Paypal to deposit at casinos. Even had my name, address, phone number, credit card used, etc. along with hundreds of other players info posted on the web by some disgruntled employee (don't recall the casino) years ago. Was a bit freaky to see that info even though I canceled the card before it was posted.

At the same time it will most likely come down to processor, and lots of casinos use multiple processors. Im sure even if the casino were to ask the processor Iam sure the response would be "no problems here."

It is a shame that this is happening and will probably continue for a while until whatever or whoever is caught.
 
Thieves are paid several dollars for each of the valid card details they supply, and then the fraudsters take over. No amount of online security will stop some low-paid employees doing this. But hey! they're cheap and it happens...

this is indeed the case of the fellow americans. card details are sell packed for bitcoins but not really for several dollars, much more is involved because they are the main target because the chance to found an empty card is slim.

for americans read this thread and my post and walk with money like gangsters with blocks of cash than keeping 'safely' on card
https://sussexmskpartnershipeast.com/forums/threads/62232/
 
Got me worried for a while
Check bank and something not right, Money has gone in, Wait for it :) .49p I said no some ones trying to test my bank and dry me out, Straight on tele banking with barclys, Great stuff 30 seconds and was chating with some1, Im checking out the transaction details my self with a google search and 1st thing comes up (poker, and alot of nettler talk in there, Women I spoke to said let me check & said after she searched she seen poker come up, Thats all I need as I not play poker,
She passed me threw to fraud and they knew exacltly where it come from, Nettler, BUT it said nettler poker, I clicked on that the other day I uploaded my new details to nettler so I told bank its all good, Got to live chat to nets and said we send only amounts to 24p, So again I thought whats going on, Anyway I went to my account put in the vere box amount box the amount and whack all sorted,

It was actually nettler that added the deposit to make sure banks ok, But forget the google serch I done how vomes the 1st banker didnt no where it was from and done a serch the same as my self, & 2nd the fraud peole if thats who they was knew exact where the money come from, But why poker nettler

(bank transaction) BAR MER WIR GBP1 591952 BGC £0.49

All ready stressed out, non stop last 2 weeks, Just open an early beer again 1st in 2 weeks and seen that, so glad that it was not scam,
Im going to stick to using nettler ect now for any new sites I sign up to, Ive had the net+ cards for ages now so alow it charge me if wanted withdraw from atm its safer and quicker

Sorry about spells

Happy Spinning
 
Interesting

This thread is pretty timely. This Monday I had to cancel my card due to several attempted charges to Vueling Airlines in Spain. My bank declined the charges as the fraud detection caught it. Over 750 usd combined in the two charges.

My gaming deposits have been limited to iNetBet, Slotocash, and Desert Nights for this year.
 
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Gawd am i pissed -

i went to Vegas for my birthday and so during the stay i got a call from chase bank asking if i tried to purchase something from a sporting good store in Sacramento for 492 dollars i said hell no so they blocked my card, i was worried for a moment and then i realized we still have my wife's card for the trip but same bank - low and behold next day same thing and it was worst they tried about 10 different charges , so now while we are on vacation we have no cards both blocked and it was a Saturday with only 200 in my pocket and still need to pay for my room at end of trip (Wynn hotel aint cheap) so i pleaded with chase rep to help me i cant be stranded in Vegas, so they pointed me to nearest chase bank still open in Vegas - i rushed over there and they gave me new card and i took cash out in case-

now i only play at these casinos-
jackpot capital
grande
sloto
inetbet
lucky club

looking at this thread i too believe one of the casinos and their processors have been targeted and their customers, which one i don't know. and im not pointing fingers
to the casino themselves, too many perhaps to think of.

im concerned now playing at all or just getting a card for only online casinos. i dont use third party online banks cause its a headache i been fine with using card to deposit and western union when cashing out (fastest way for USA i believe)
 


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