Bovada-Cheating or Not Cheating

[dreamguardian1]

So i got a question. And i have a feeling a Bovada rep will chime in which would be good. Winning again today on Bovada, UNTIL it disconnected me again from server due to inactivity which wasnt true so had to relog in, which then changed and lost. I dont know if this is intentional on the part of Bovada if players are winning and then forcing them to relog in but this is the second day in a row it has happened. YES, grateful to finally be winning something from them but also am concerned that this is going on regularly. Naturally the opposite could happen at which point a person wouldnt complain, losing, disconnect and then reconnect and WIN but finding that rarely happens because usually if it disconnects it just does it when game loads not 30 minutes into a session.

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[just play]

So i got a question. And i have a feeling a Bovada rep will chime in which would be good. Winning again today on Bovada, UNTIL it disconnected me again from server due to inactivity which wasnt true so had to relog in, which then changed and lost. I dont know if this is intentional on the part of Bovada if players are winning and then forcing them to relog in but this is the second day in a row it has happened. YES, grateful to finally be winning something from them but also am concerned that this is going on regularly. Naturally the opposite could happen at which point a person wouldnt complain, losing, disconnect and then reconnect and WIN but finding that rarely happens because usually if it disconnects it just does it when game loads not 30 minutes into a session.

If you think they are cheating, then stop playing there.

About 6 months ago I kept getting disconnected by a casino, I was in their live chat about 6 times in an hour, lol. Can't remember if I was winning or not, knowing me I was probably losing, haha.

I usually stick up for the player not the casino...but why would you think that they are cheating just because you got disconnected? Maybe you were on a winning streak and it suddenly turned into a losing streak and it had nothing to do with getting disconnected? That's gambling isn't it?

If your feeling that it was intentional on their part "to cheat", I would get outta dodge.

 

[Nifty29]

It's RIGGED I tells ya!!!

 

[bpb]

So you're mad at Bovada because you have a terrible internet connection.

That's actually a new one.

 

[slotplayer]

I've seen it happen before, even happened when I was having good sessions back in MG days. That was on 10 mb DSL.

I did mention in another post when I was playing my free rtg slots a couple months ago, that it would say disconnected by admin, this occured during amazing winning sessions. This was 50mb Fiber Optics.

I tried playing Bovada, last year but my deposit would never get processed, I'd enter all the info and it seemed it could not connect to the processor. I had the site not found error or something. I was told to keep trying. I tried a couple of different nights and finally gave up and closed the account. This was 20mb Fiber Optics.

I guess if you notice you get disconnected during a losing session then there is nothing to the conspiracy.

 

[chuchu59]

If the software is RTG then any period of inactivity amounting to 10 or so minutes will result in a disconnection. Its always been the case and has nothing to do with winning or losing. That said, the RTG server has been very poor lately and the reels seem to spin forever.

 

[bigjohn]

It's RIGGED I tells ya!!!

Is that your Pirate impression? Try this next time, it's a lot easier!

 

[dreamguardian1]

So you're mad at Bovada because you have a terrible internet connection.

That's actually a new one.

I dont have a terrible internet connection, i have a perfect connection. I have gaming speeds run off goldwite ethernet and this ONLY now happens after a certain period of playtime while winning, not while losing, not sure if coincidence or not but not the only person who has talked about this happening. Did not have to relog into internet had to relog into Bovada itself. And since it happened AGAIN today while winning here is the screenshot

 

[dreamguardian1]

If the software is RTG then any period of inactivity amounting to 10 or so minutes will result in a disconnection. Its always been the case and has nothing to do with winning or losing. That said, the RTG server has been very poor lately and the reels seem to spin forever.

Ya but there hasnt been any,. i am constantly spinning no delay on my end. So ya id have to agree with you they need to fix this because when you relog in naturally the RTG changes, for better or worse, usually worse.

 

[Nifty29]

I dont have a terrible internet connection, i have a perfect connection. I have gaming speeds run off goldwite ethernet and this ONLY now happens after a certain period of playtime while winning, not while losing, not sure if coincidence or not but not the only person who has talked about this happening. Did not have to relog into internet had to relog into Bovada itself. And since it happened AGAIN today while winning here is the screenshot

You can have the fastest connection on the planet. It won't help you if the delay is on the SERVER side, which I would think is most likely the case.

 

[BMWSTACK]

Most of the replys will not be in your favor, but let me ask you this, you obviously think there is a conspiracy to stop you from winning or else you would have not posted this thread, so why are you continuing to play? Why are you not cashing out if you are convinced they have thrown the lose switch?

 

[just play]

Most of the replys will not be in your favor, but let me ask you this, you obviously think there is a conspiracy to stop you from winning or else you would have not posted this thread, so why are you continuing to play? Why are you not cashing out if you are convinced they have thrown the lose switch?

Dream,

I'm not being a jerk, but I honestly have to agree with BMW. Why are you STILL playing there? We all get "feelings" about our gameplay, the only thing we can do about them is...

1. continue to play with these feelings
2. stop playing at said casino
3. take a break for a while from said casino or all casinos

I would pick #2 if I were you.


There are other great accredited RTG casinos you can play at, give them a shot if you haven't already, maybe you won't get disconnected, maybe you will have awesome luck, maybe your "feelings" will go away and you can start fresh.

Good luck to you

 

[weplant]

Well, glad you are winning there..I am still on the quest to get a payout..When playing the 3d slots (I play the rooks revenge) and that happens to
me also..i have not stopped playing, so it is not because I have stopped spinning..It will just pop up with disconnect because of excesive delay..
I don't like it either, I feel that I am having to start my number of spins again..for example, if I have already put in 100 spins and waiting to hit
that good one then get the disconnect notice, I feel like I am back at spin #1..

 

[Nifty29]

Well, glad you are winning there..I am still on the quest to get a payout..When playing the 3d slots (I play the rooks revenge) and that happens to
me also..i have not stopped playing, so it is not because I have stopped spinning..It will just pop up with disconnect because of excesive delay..
I don't like it either, I feel that I am having to start my number of spins again..for example, if I have already put in 100 spins and waiting to hit
that good one then get the disconnect notice, I feel like I am back at spin #1..

Spin #1 of what?

If you believe that a win is "due" or comes as a result of how many spins you have played in a session, then you believe that the slots are not random, and hence you should stop playing immediately as you will never win....all Bovada has to do is disconnect you when you're close to a win and you're shot!

Honestly, anyone who has read this forum longer than a week should never subscribe to this stuff.

 

[weplant]

Spin #1 of what?

If you believe that a win is "due" or comes as a result of how many spins you have played in a session, then you believe that the slots are not random, and hence you should stop playing immediately as you will never win....all Bovada has to do is disconnect you when you're close to a win and you're shot!

Honestly, anyone who has read this forum longer than a week should never subscribe to this stuff.

Well, excust me...Yes, I did feel that the number of spins has something to do with when you will hit the bonus round, etc..
I have heard 3dice say to make sure you have a bankroll to do 200 spins in hope of hitting the bonus round.
just stating my opinion, don't know why you always have the need to 'scold' and belittle another member.

 

[naththo]

It sounds like Bovada is having connection issue problem not on your side. If your internet is still connected to ADSL/DSL, and Bovada disconnect you, then it sounds like its Bovada server problem not you. I don't think they would deliberate to cheat any one in anyway. You should stop playing if you constantly lose connection with casino. Wait for 15 minutes or wait till next day when they get that server sorted out.

 

[weplant]

It sounds like Bovada is having connection issue problem not on your side. If your internet is still connected to ADSL/DSL, and Bovada disconnect you, then it sounds like its Bovada server problem not you. I don't think they would deliberate to cheat any one in anyway. You should stop playing if you constantly lose connection with casino. Wait for 15 minutes or wait till next day when they get that server sorted out.

I agree..I certainly do not think Bovada is trying to cheat anyone..It is just frustrating when you feel like you are on a run and get cut off..
I am sure they will do what they can to fix it..

 

[Nifty29]

Well, excust me...Yes, I did feel that the number of spins has something to do with when you will hit the bonus round, etc..
I have heard 3dice say to make sure you have a bankroll to do 200 spins in hope of hitting the bonus round.
just stating my opinion, don't know why you always have the need to 'scold' and belittle another member.

1. I did not belittle you

2. The whole theory has been debunked and explained over and over and over but some people just won't listen

3. By "needing 200 spins" it means....based on the AVERAGE hit frequency of the bonus round....that you will need to have a minimum of 200 bets in your bankroll to have a reasonable CHANCE to hit the bonus. The key words are AVERAGE and CHANCE. Only a rigged slot, or a "feature guarantee" slot, will guarantee you a bonus within a set number of spins. A slot with an average bonus frequency of 120 spins can still go 1500 spins without hitting. It can also hit 4 times in 10 spins, or 10 times in 100 spins.....because it is RANDOM.


Sorry, I can understand a noob thinking like you are, but not someone who has been around a while.

You have the same chance of hitting a bonus on every spin. Whether you were cut off or logged out makes absolutely NO difference. Some people say it "makes them lose" as a way to explain their losses, rather than educating themselves about the facts. The perception is skewed on the forums because nobody ever complains they were cut off, logged back in and started WINNING.

 

[weplant]

1. I did not belittle you

2. The whole theory has been debunked and explained over and over and over but some people just won't listen

3. By "needing 200 spins" it means....based on the AVERAGE hit frequency of the bonus round....that you will need to have a minimum of 200 bets in your bankroll to have a reasonable CHANCE to hit the bonus. The key words are AVERAGE and CHANCE. Only a rigged slot, or a "feature guarantee" slot, will guarantee you a bonus within a set number of spins. A slot with an average bonus frequency of 120 spins can still go 1500 spins without hitting. It can also hit 4 times in 10 spins, or 10 times in 100 spins.....because it is RANDOM.


Sorry, I can understand a noob thinking like you are, but not someone who has been around a while.

You have the same chance of hitting a bonus on every spin. Whether you were cut off or logged out makes absolutely NO difference. Some people say it "makes them lose" as a way to explain their losses, rather than educating themselves about the facts. The perception is skewed on the forums because nobody ever complains they were cut off, logged back in and started WINNING.

Thanks for the explanation

 

[dreamguardian1]

I actually did cashout. And its in other posts and i did stop playing it once i saw what was happening. It was a question to get other people's opinions and thoughts, which is why a forum is here. Honestly some of you have been around playing at these casino's a long time and some of us are still learning and asking for explanations rather than going off the deep end.

If a players actions are in question its ok but when you question somethng going on at a casino sometimes it turns into a thread of why didn't you do this or that. We are supposed to be helping each other IMO. Nifty does a good job of explaining how things work.

 

[naththo]

Very well post! It happened to me not getting any bonus/free spin for hundreds of spin before. I am not kidding. Oh well it happens when you run bad luck.

1. I did not belittle you

2. The whole theory has been debunked and explained over and over and over but some people just won't listen

3. By "needing 200 spins" it means....based on the AVERAGE hit frequency of the bonus round....that you will need to have a minimum of 200 bets in your bankroll to have a reasonable CHANCE to hit the bonus. The key words are AVERAGE and CHANCE. Only a rigged slot, or a "feature guarantee" slot, will guarantee you a bonus within a set number of spins. A slot with an average bonus frequency of 120 spins can still go 1500 spins without hitting. It can also hit 4 times in 10 spins, or 10 times in 100 spins.....because it is RANDOM.


Sorry, I can understand a noob thinking like you are, but not someone who has been around a while.

You have the same chance of hitting a bonus on every spin. Whether you were cut off or logged out makes absolutely NO difference. Some people say it "makes them lose" as a way to explain their losses, rather than educating themselves about the facts. The perception is skewed on the forums because nobody ever complains they were cut off, logged back in and started WINNING.

 

[dreamguardian1]

Ok so finally had voice communication with Bovada Player Advocacy team, and while sometimes i think they just play lip service. This girl on the phone was totally upfront and honest about the problems and agreed to have them really looked into. So we will see.

 

[pmutts]

Unexplained and repeated disconnections from their server are EXTREMELY suspicious

Back in my "glory days" of regular blackjack wins of many thousands at certain MG casinos, this started happening to me--always when I was on a roll.

If you know anything about card counting in Blackjack, then you will understand what the house is doing when they "shuffle up" on you. This is a common tactic used whenever you raise your bet in an advantageous situation--especially in a single or double deck game.

The dealer simply shuffles the cards--perhaps after only dealing a couple of rounds to shuffle away the mathematical advantage. I equate being kicked off the server to being shuffled up on.

It is not technically cheating; however, it is DEFINITELY an attempt to change things back in favor of the house and if often works.

This is just my opinion of course.

 

[GrandMaster]

Back in my "glory days" of regular blackjack wins of many thousands at certain MG casinos, this started happening to me--always when I was on a roll.

If you know anything about card counting in Blackjack, then you will understand what the house is doing when they "shuffle up" on you. This is a common tactic used whenever you raise your bet in an advantageous situation--especially in a single or double deck game.

The dealer simply shuffles the cards--perhaps after only dealing a couple of rounds to shuffle away the mathematical advantage. I equate being kicked off the server to being shuffled up on.

It is not technically cheating; however, it is DEFINITELY an attempt to change things back in favor of the house and if often works.

This is just my opinion of course.

With very few exceptions, the cards are shuffled before every blackjack game in online casinos, so there is no point in card counting or the casino trying to prevent it.

 

[a1exjet]

Does anyone ever win at a ratio that seems fair at the Bovada online casino?

Hi I'm Don in Marina Del Rey, CA via the Boston, MA area. I certainly have not. Yet like a schmuck I give them the benefit of the doubt because I don't read about them not paying. I have been playing for about 2 years and regularly I collected $1200 once but have like spent $30,000. And it's time after time session after session and lately to quick to be enjoyed. Obviously I can look to play elsewhere and will but what I want to know is what types of experiences have other members of casinomeister had with Bovada. I look forward to hearing back.

 

[bpb]

Bovada is as fair as they come. From personal experience, I'd call them the best US facing casino.

Do a google search for "bovada confiscated". Then do searches for "<accredited casino> confiscated" for other accredited US facing casinos. The difference is shocking.

 

[weplant]

I believe Bovada is trust worthy..However, I get absolutely no playtime there..I have made at least 40-50deposits and not close to a payout..I certainly do not expect a payout all the time, but I cannot even get decent playtime..Just my experience..Curious how other players do there, and what games they play...happy playing.

 

[MisterBJ]

IMHO Bovada return payouts are one of the worst. I wouldn't play there if they was the last US facing casino.

 

[leutseym]

I have had this happen to me also at Bovada when I am actually playing a game and it stops spinning to give me that message as well...too bad they don't have live chat to help us thru those times, heh?

 

[pmutts]

OK, a better analogy . . . The Pit Changes the Cards

With very few exceptions, the cards are shuffled before every blackjack game in online casinos, so there is no point in card counting or the casino trying to prevent it.

Of course I'm aware that cards are shuffled or hopefully "Randomized" between each hand online. So, comparing it to being "Shuffled Up" on was not the best analogy. Being kicked off the server while on a great run it is actually much more akin to the B&M Casino changing the cards--and doing so prior to the next scheduled change of cards--when a player is on a roll. This is a common tactic used in pretty much ALL casinos--especially if the game is single or double deck.

While changing the cards may or may not put an end to the players incredible run, in my experience it is more often than not an effective and perfectly legal tactic for the casino to use.

For the record, I have never experienced this at Bovada. I experienced it at several MG Casinos from 2002-2006. After 5 - 10 consecutive wins at max table limit "unable to communicate with server" is suspicious. Being kicked off the server has the immediate effect of stopping the run. Generally once I was able to log back into the casino, in most cases my incredible run was over.

It is perfectly legal for the B&M to change cards anytime they choose. Obviously, there are no laws to prevent booting someone from the server.

If you seem to be getting disconnected from the casino while having a great run with any higher level of frequency than the very rare server disconnect, this, IMO is suspicious.