BTG Extra Chilli Buy A Feature Review/Experience/Concern

[dogshead1]

I'll leave this here for you all to make up your own conclusions on the slot. Defo made me quit online gambling. Action certainly needs to be taken as I have my views and points I've expressed outside of this forum and shall keep outside.
FYI

My original strategy was to gamble to 16 spins, attempt to gamble and collect 12 if lost the 16 and and gamble to 20 if +4 dropped in on the buy. Finally after multiple loss of return at 16-20 spins even 1x 24 and extreme crippling of my balance I was forced to gamble and pray for 12 without success multiple time. What I can recall from last nights session. After I collected however many spins and I gambled the next for 12 I lost every time. It certainly felt compensated but also had that feeling of preempting the behavior of the gamble wheel. The risk for reward strategy advised by BTG clearly crippled my bankroll.

As an overall experience and warning to others my starting balance was my biggest every online coup from other slots. I was unable to withdraw at the time even when verified and within the stated max withdrawal limit per week as day limit was not stated and support that was advertised as 24 hour was offline. I'll admit taking on chilling was a lack of control on my behalf but the file here when broken down will highlight how its set up to tilt the player and induce larger risk for no reward.

Unfortunately although I have requested it, they would not show at what point of the wheel I lost the feature. Though you can clearly see by the behavior of the returns that something is off.

Finally I have requested why the casino operator refer to Extra Chilli as an NYX game which I find concerning and alarming. This you can clearly see in the betting history file.

 

[Jono777]

NYX is the platform / agreement that BTG run some of their games via, depends on actual casino.

 

[dogshead1]

NYX is the platform / agreement that BTG run some of their games via, depends on actual casino.

So how does that work and where can this agreement be found?

 

[Jono777]

So how does that work and where can this agreement be found?

Unsure mate, only have a basic understanding.

From what I do understand, all game providers and developers need a platform to run their games.

For example, Jurassic Park is made by Microgaming but runs via the Quickfire platform which is the logo you will see while the game is loading.

WMS games run via their own Platform Scientific Games (SG) again displayed during loading process.

Similar set up with Chilli, WWTBAM, Bonanza etc running at certain casinos via NYX platorm, in BTG's case tho they have also recently started using the Quickfire platform which you will maybe notice during load times at casino 'x' or 'z'......

Edit: From their website

About Big Time Gaming:

Big Time Gaming is the thought leader in slot development, providing the world's largest online casino operators with its revolutionary OMNI product range. Big Time Gaming continues to lead the charge with its most recent release White Rabbit, breaking all other providers previous records in turnover since its launch last month. Big Time Gaming has a growing portfolio of innovative slots and games available through a wide range of network partners including NYX, OpenBet, Microgaming Viper, Microgaming Quickfire and Leander.

 

[aceking123]

its like micro gaming allowing the new BTG games on there servers . im thinking its no different. just a plugin kinda deal.

 

[Reelsoffun]

I'll leave this here for you all to make up your own conclusions on the slot. Defo made me quit online gambling. Action certainly needs to be taken as I have my views and points I've expressed outside of this forum and shall keep outside.
FYI

My original strategy was to gamble to 16 spins, attempt to gamble and collect 12 if lost the 16 and and gamble to 20 if +4 dropped in on the buy. Finally after multiple loss of return at 16-20 spins even 1x 24 and extreme crippling of my balance I was forced to gamble and pray for 12 without success multiple time. What I can recall from last nights session. After I collected however many spins and I gambled the next for 12 I lost every time. It certainly felt compensated but also had that feeling of preempting the behavior of the gamble wheel. The risk for reward strategy advised by BTG clearly crippled my bankroll.

As an overall experience and warning to others my starting balance was my biggest every online coup from other slots. I was unable to withdraw at the time even when verified and within the stated max withdrawal limit per week as day limit was not stated and support that was advertised as 24 hour was offline. I'll admit taking on chilling was a lack of control on my behalf but the file here when broken down will highlight how its set up to tilt the player and induce larger risk for no reward.

Unfortunately although I have requested it, they would not show at what point of the wheel I lost the feature. Though you can clearly see by the behavior of the returns that something is off.

Finally I have requested why the casino operator refer to Extra Chilli as an NYX game which I find concerning and alarming. This you can clearly see in the betting history file.

Well you didnt really explain all your data other than what you gambled on the log, but I have done loads of feature buys of various buy amounts and over 17,000 spins and found the gamble wheel close to expected probability and the RTP won is a bit above theoretical as well, so why cant it just be luck?

 

[chiya]

Well you didnt really explain all your data other than what you gambled on the log, but I have done loads of feature buys of various buy amounts and over 17,000 spins and found the gamble wheel close to expected probability and the RTP won is a bit above theoretical as well, so why cant it just be luck.

Because he lost badly so it MUST be rigged. Your RTP in the game, nor his RTP in the game are nothing to make conclusions of. The theoretical RTP is based on millions of spins, no?

 

[paul7388]

Seriously its been a month and you are still banging on about this slot and how rigged it is.

The problem seems to lie with you and not the slot. You are the one that is chasing losses and gambling stupid stakes away to nothing. Just because you had a crazy bad run at stupid stakes does not been anything is up with the slot.

But after way you chased losses and blew so much trying to recoup those losses and now blame the slot for being rigged then i am glad at least it has made you quit online gambling.

 

[mariafbb]

but why somebody will keep on playing a slot that dosent pay him/her ?

 

[Jono777]

but why somebody will keep on playing a slot that dosent pay him/her ?

Don't answer that Paul

 

[dogshead1]

Unsure mate, only have a basic understanding.

From what I do understand, all game providers and developers need a platform to run their games.

For example, Jurassic Park is made by Microgaming but runs via the Quickfire platform which is the logo you will see while the game is loading.

WMS games run via their own Platform Scientific Games (SG) again displayed during loading process.

Similar set up with Chilli, WWTBAM, Bonanza etc running at certain casinos via NYX platorm, in BTG's case tho they have also recently started using the Quickfire platform which you will maybe notice during load times at casino 'x' or 'z'......

Edit: From their website

About Big Time Gaming:

Big Time Gaming is the thought leader in slot development, providing the world's largest online casino operators with its revolutionary OMNI product range. Big Time Gaming continues to lead the charge with its most recent release White Rabbit, breaking all other providers previous records in turnover since its launch last month. Big Time Gaming has a growing portfolio of innovative slots and games available through a wide range of network partners including NYX, OpenBet, Microgaming Viper, Microgaming Quickfire and Leander.

A news report I just picked out: (Gives you food for thought and why I don;t trust the software, platforms or casinos)

This was reported 2016

A month after announcing the

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from Vitruvian Partners LLP,

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Gaming has released a statement confirming that the £270 million deal is now finalised.

Nyx was joined in the deal by co-investment partners

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, who chipped in £80m, and Sky Betting and Gaming, who contributed £20m. The agreement will see Nyx Gaming clear £95 million in debt that

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currently owes, in addition to acquiring OpenBet's platform that hosts an extensive portfolio of over 2000 online casino games from various developers. The deal boosts Nyx's workforce to over 1100 employees that are now based in 14 countries around the world.

In a solid example of corporate buzzword-lingo, Nyx CEO Matt Davey remarked "Today is an exciting day for Nyx as we look to the next phase of the company's growth. We now turn our focus to planning and executing the strategy to leverage the collective strengths and benefits of scale that the combined business brings to our customers and shareholders." Bingo!

 

[pinnit2014]

What exactly does this show? That a platform provider is consolidating?

 

[nutnut]

It's as rigged as Bonanza that is why it paid me 5k last week in hush money. but my hush lips is 10k so send me other 5k or its all rigged bgt

 

[robby811]

Don't answer that Paul

Paul is going crazy on the battles he got a good Place yesterday at Street Magic i m his Stalker

 

[robby811]

It's as rigged as Bonanza that is why it paid me 5k last week in hush money. but my hush lips is 10k so send me other 5k or its all rigged bgt

Wrong time Wrong Thread what are you doing here

 

[pinnit2014]

It's as rigged as Bonanza that is why it paid me 5k last week in hush money. but my hush lips is 10k so send me other 5k or its all rigged bgt

That's you snookered if it was 'hush' money cos you've not exactly hushed

 

[goatwack]

It is true with this and WWTBAM that if the 8 want to pay, they will. Gambling away for four or more spins is not worth the grief to be fair. Gambled one time to 12 for a laugh, only to recoup 24 pence. Was worth it

Also had most of my best hits on Bonanza & co round about the 6x multiplier, so the whole feature is just an unnecessary risk and should be avoided if one wants to remain sane

 

[paul7388]

Paul is going crazy on the battles he got a good Place yesterday at Street Magic i m his Stalker

So i noticed lol

 

[robby811]

So i noticed lol

you can run but you cant hide

 

[paul7388]

you can run but you cant hide

Not from you anyway lol.

As for street battle don,t even think i had ever got a win on that slot before. But thought should get 25 spins reward. Then when i logged in this morning was like WTF how did i get 75 spins. Used them anyway lol.

 

[robby811]

Not from you anyway lol.

As for street battle don,t even think i had ever got a win on that slot before. But thought should get 25 spins reward. Then when i logged in this morning was like WTF how did i get 75 spins. Used them anyway lol.

yes that was a pretty good score 180K or something

 

[colinsunderland]

A news report I just picked out: (Gives you food for thought and why I don;t trust the software, platforms or casinos)

This was reported 2016

A month after announcing the

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from Vitruvian Partners LLP,

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Gaming has released a statement confirming that the £270 million deal is now finalised.

Nyx was joined in the deal by co-investment partners

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, who chipped in £80m, and Sky Betting and Gaming, who contributed £20m. The agreement will see Nyx Gaming clear £95 million in debt that

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currently owes, in addition to acquiring OpenBet's platform that hosts an extensive portfolio of over 2000 online casino games from various developers. The deal boosts Nyx's workforce to over 1100 employees that are now based in 14 countries around the world.

In a solid example of corporate buzzword-lingo, Nyx CEO Matt Davey remarked "Today is an exciting day for Nyx as we look to the next phase of the company's growth. We now turn our focus to planning and executing the strategy to leverage the collective strengths and benefits of scale that the combined business brings to our customers and shareholders." Bingo!

I don't understand? Why would that stop anyone trusting them?

 

[dogshead1]

Well you didnt really explain all your data other than what you gambled on the log, but I have done loads of feature buys of various buy amounts and over 17,000 spins and found the gamble wheel close to expected probability and the RTP won is a bit above theoretical as well, so why cant it just be luck?

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So boring you are. There is not one tracking software out there that records your stats when you buy the feature! Secondly not one person has even read the file I posted. All gang up and defend the slot and BTG call me a bad loser I'm past caring. I'm no bad loser just a guy who has been caught up in the farce of a game it is. Yes it's addictive so is gambling full stop can't tell me otherwise. There were multiple factors that led me to get sucked into the game for starters last night which none apart from one person here knows of. For multiple reasons that could have been different I would have been £4500 better off and not even entertained Chilli. That is a matter only one person here know's of also.

I have taken liberty to to share my experience with all knowing dam well the post will get trolled by the haters at large including yourself with no real coarse to your posts! Like I stated if you breakdown the behavior of the game within the 24 hour period and is a large sample size which was actually a little under 8 hours broken is way off and unfair. There is no randomness to it but pure one way robbery.

You guys wanted stats I've posted them real live data! There clearly is reason why they casino wont provide a full detailed report as to the gamble wheel and at which point I collected what spins or gambled on etc. Same reason the BTG rep has still refused to acknowledge my request for such data so I can present to you guys.

That file alone I've posted proves that the gamble is way unfair. Sure there was 11 or 12 straight losses and that was at 50/50. This is where players like myself get roped in. Then get sucked in even more when your only getting 10-90% return of you buy amount almost every time when you finally get 16-20 spins. Its clearly designed to pray on gambling addicts and emotion at the time.

Even more concerning BTG actually promote players to take the gamble feature. Clearly taking advantage and promoting irresponsible gambling.

I loved online slotting until this slot came out but now its ruined it. The very reason is everything it promotes but does not deliver plays on your emotions and catches more than just myself. Many a silent gambler will have suffered the same fate and many more will.

I just want to advise to stay away from this game.

 

[goatwack]

Gamble Features aren't the main part of the game, just a shortcut to the good stuff.

Blew £60 leftover winnings on White Rabbit fairly recently and got well and truly stuffed, though I managed to get maybe 15 rounds out of it.

But then I knew it would do me over, given that I'd have to get 100x just to bloody break even. It's fool's gold and unfortunately not a get-rich-quick scheme

 

[dogshead1]

What exactly does this show? That a platform provider is consolidating?

It raises eyebrows. They are not only working with NYX but Open Bet too whom where bailed out of 95 million pounds worth of BY NYX. Surely there is a conflict of interest here business wise. But hey ho all get brushed under the carpet in online forums as we never really know who we are talking to do we? Pokerstars have become so corrupt after they merged with Full Tilt Poker who ripped off players for millions. Just Saying!

 

[dogshead1]

Gamble Features aren't the main part of the game, just a shortcut to the good stuff.

Blew £60 leftover winnings on White Rabbit fairly recently and got well and truly stuffed, though I managed to get maybe 15 rounds out of it.

But then I knew it would do me over, given that I'd have to get 100x just to bloody break even. It's fool's gold and unfortunately not a get-rich-quick scheme

Its not a get rich quick scheme but should reflect the base games RTP no? After all you still forked out 50x Stake before the action starts. That soon mounts up buy after buy.

 

[Reelsoffun]

So boring you are. There is not one tracking software out there that records your stats when you buy the feature! .

YES there is its call excel and do it yourself simples.....

Logged all my buys amounts, gamble wheel results, start spins, end spins and end results.

 

[sueyh]

There is no randomness to it but pure one way robbery.

"Gambling Feature" is not something you have to do, it is your choice. BTG made "gamble feature" attractive and addictive? That's what all game providers are doing. Make games attractive and addictive.

You cannot say it is not randomness just because of your experience. There are a couple of games that I'm not doing well with. I believe RTP for that games for me is less than 50%. But I never thought those games are rigged. Just you are unlucky with gamble feature, that's all.

And people here are not BTG lovers. Please go read a Bonanza thread, you will not feel any love for BTG there.

 

[dogshead1]

YES there is its call excel and do it yourself simples.....

And that’s why they opted not to have such data tracked. Because like myself it will cost thousands of real money to gather such report and evidently no one in this forum is prepared to do it. I’ve sampled this too in Free and it certainly does play different. They are relying on the fact nonene will tack live data over a large sample size manually and I’m referring to buy a feature results here not the base game gamble!

 

[colinsunderland]

It raises eyebrows. They are not only working with NYX but Open Bet too whom where bailed out of 95 million pounds worth of BY NYX. Surely there is a conflict of interest here business wise. But hey ho all get brushed under the carpet in online forums as we never really know who we are talking to do we? Pokerstars have become so corrupt after they merged with Full Tilt Poker who ripped off players for millions. Just Saying!

I read your file and it matches my experience, not as many spins, but I've had 12 losing gambles in a row too, more than once, which is so unlikely it makes me think it isn't the odds they say it is. I have never had 12 winning gambles in a row.

I don't see any conflict of interest. BTG need the gaming platform to get the games out there. Without them they would probably have a tenth of the exposure they do.

 

[Reelsoffun]

And that’s why they opted not to have such data tracked. Because like myself it will cost thousands of real money to gather such report and evidently no one in this forum is prepared to do it. I’ve sampled this too in Free and it certainly does play different. They are relying on the fact nonene will tack live data over a large sample size manually and I’m referring to buy a feature results here not the base game gamble!

I bet more people track the live data than you think, its not hard to do manually if you got a sheet set up right, you only need minimal amounts and the sheet works the rest out for ya.

I have over 1250 feature buys using real money in my sample and am happy with the results, but if your not happy with the game dont play it anymore surely? I have many PnG games im not happy with and no longer play lol

 

[dogshead1]

I bet more people track the live data than you think, its not hard to do manually if you got a sheet set up right, you only need minimal amounts and the sheet works the rest out for ya.

I have over 1250 feature buys using real money in my sample and am happy with the results, but if your not happy with the game dont play it anymore surely? I have many PnG games im not happy with and no longer play lol

Well share the data then and prove us wrong. Prove to us were are just the minor unfortunate!

Oh and certainly becomes more reliable when backed up with real live casino data!

 

[mack341]

I have a lot of sympathy for how you feel re this chilli gamble wheel and your recent experience. I'm no maths wizkid, so am not sure how btg replicate a 50/50 gamble, maybe they use 1000 numbers and 500 are assigned win and the other 500 lose, in which case it would probably be easier for a rng to pick out 11 losing results than if only two numbers were used, say 1 =win 2 =lose, would an rng pick 2, 11 times in a row?

Btg's advice to always gamble the feature is maybe right over thousands of bonuses and if your stake is £2/5 instead of 20/40p that is going to be financially impossible for most to ever experience the benefit of [or even recoup some of their losses], and it probably only needs to be a 1% rtp positive difference to entitle btg to say 'it's the best strategy'..

When I have occasionally played it just for a change, you do feel just going with the basic 8 spins is a doomed endeavour, but saying that if 7 of the 8 win with cascades you can win big. If the natural bonus frequency was 1 in a 100, you could see more of a case for the gamble wheel but it seems pretty hard to trigger to me

I've noticed coral and ladbrokes have recently introduced extra chilli [and coral doesn't even have bonanza the last time I looked], so the revenue/profit figures that the btg sales rep is showing casinos must look good.

I think it quite easily falls into the 'dangerous' bracket of games because of that bonus set up and gamble wheel and the higher the stake the greater the potential for harm, at low stakes it's not as bad and some will do well from it as they leveraging a much better bonus
from a 20/40p stake than that would normally provide.

 

[Harry_BKK]

A news report I just picked out: (Gives you food for thought and why I don;t trust the software, platforms or casinos)

This was reported 2016

A month after announcing the

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from Vitruvian Partners LLP,

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Gaming has released a statement confirming that the £270 million deal is now finalised.

Nyx was joined in the deal by co-investment partners

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, who chipped in £80m, and Sky Betting and Gaming, who contributed £20m. The agreement will see Nyx Gaming clear £95 million in debt that

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currently owes, in addition to acquiring OpenBet's platform that hosts an extensive portfolio of over 2000 online casino games from various developers. The deal boosts Nyx's workforce to over 1100 employees that are now based in 14 countries around the world.

In a solid example of corporate buzzword-lingo, Nyx CEO Matt Davey remarked "Today is an exciting day for Nyx as we look to the next phase of the company's growth. We now turn our focus to planning and executing the strategy to leverage the collective strengths and benefits of scale that the combined business brings to our customers and shareholders." Bingo!

NYX was acquired by Scientific Games in 2017, so that info is redundant. All NYX and SG brands run now under SG Digital, a total of 9 game studios such as BetDigital, WMS, Red 7, Bally etc.

NYX Interactive is an aggregator platform and thus can host games from different developers. Quickfire, Oryx Gaming, Leander Games or Relax Gaming are other examples. Nothing unusual as smaller developers simply can't afford their own platform and host their games then with one or more aggregators. The integration with casino platforms is also made easier.

 

[Harry_BKK]

You can see all game providers and games running on the NYX Interactive/SG Digital platform here:

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[zreb]

Well you didnt really explain all your data other than what you gambled on the log, but I have done loads of feature buys of various buy amounts and over 17,000 spins and found the gamble wheel close to expected probability and the RTP won is a bit above theoretical as well, so why cant it just be luck?

So boring you are...

...I have taken liberty to to share my experience with all knowing dam well the post will get trolled by the haters at large including yourself with no real coarse to your posts!

You continue to act with outright hostility to the mildest of criticism or disagreement while painting yourself as the victim. Debates can sometimes be intense or emotional, but I don't think that is an appropriate way to respond.

 

[dogshead1]

You continue to act with outright hostility to the mildest of criticism or disagreement while painting yourself as the victim. Debates can sometimes be intense or emotional, but I don't think that is an appropriate way to respond.

Still waiting on you to post your Exta Chilli Stats on the Buy A Feature backed up with live casino data to prove me wrong

 

[Reelsoffun]

You continue to act with outright hostility to the mildest of criticism or disagreement while painting yourself as the victim. Debates can sometimes be intense or emotional, but I don't think that is an appropriate way to respond.

Its why I have decided to let him collect his own data. Just because my data shows favorable results don't mean anything either way.

 

[Reelsoffun]

Well share the data then and prove us wrong. Prove to us were are just the minor unfortunate!

Oh and certainly becomes more reliable when backed up with real live casino data!

I don't dispute your data, or that your running at a loss but at the end of the day the expected result is loss slots are there to make money.

As for the 11 50/50 losses, ask any roulette player how many times in a row they have lost a 50/50 type bet and im sure they will say it can do 11 in a row more often than you think. I had a quick scan through and my highest loss in a row on the green wheel seems to be 10 and biggest run of wins on the 50/50 was 9 so its certainly volatile as expected.

 

[trancemonkey]

A news report I just picked out: (Gives you food for thought and why I don;t trust the software, platforms or casinos)

This was reported 2016

A month after announcing the

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from Vitruvian Partners LLP,

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Gaming has released a statement confirming that the £270 million deal is now finalised.

Nyx was joined in the deal by co-investment partners

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

, who chipped in £80m, and Sky Betting and Gaming, who contributed £20m. The agreement will see Nyx Gaming clear £95 million in debt that

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

currently owes, in addition to acquiring OpenBet's platform that hosts an extensive portfolio of over 2000 online casino games from various developers. The deal boosts Nyx's workforce to over 1100 employees that are now based in 14 countries around the world.

In a solid example of corporate buzzword-lingo, Nyx CEO Matt Davey remarked "Today is an exciting day for Nyx as we look to the next phase of the company's growth. We now turn our focus to planning and executing the strategy to leverage the collective strengths and benefits of scale that the combined business brings to our customers and shareholders." Bingo!

I love a good conspiracy thread... but I have no idea whatsoever what any of this proves. It's a news story about companies merging. Asda might merge with Sainsbury's... does that mean there is a huge grocery store conspiracy going on in the UK?!

 

[pinnit2014]

I love a good conspiracy thread... but I have no idea whatsoever what any of this proves. It's a news story about companies merging. Asda might merge with Sainsbury's... does that mean there is a huge grocery store conspiracy going on in the UK?!

Or indeed, what on earth are Argos doing in Sainsbury’s? That’s a conspiracy. Or, they just wanted their supply chain.

 

[trancemonkey]

Or indeed, what on earth are Argos doing in Sainsbury’s? That’s a conspiracy. Or, they just wanted their supply chain.

Argos in Sainsbury's proves slots are rigged. How did you miss that?!

 

[pinnit2014]

Argos in Sainsbury's proves slots are rigged. How did you miss that?!

i was too busy eating the Haribo's that they lured me in with to play those rigged wotsits

 

[Siohmy]

i was too busy eating the Haribo's that they lured me in with to play those rigged wotsits

Well they got me with lots of small packs of Haribo’s which were great but then showed me this huge tub which looked amazing. I willingly parted with some serious coin to get my hands on it only to find when I opened it, there was just one small pack like I had before.

Edit: Strangely this guy in an Sainsbury’s T-Shirt next to me got an extra 5 tubs full of packs.

 

[Playford7]

I love a good conspiracy thread... but I have no idea whatsoever what any of this proves. It's a news story about companies merging. Asda might merge with Sainsbury's... does that mean there is a huge grocery store conspiracy going on in the UK?!

Yes and them pesky Russians are at the bottom of it!!!.

 

[Jono777]

Sainsbury's actually brought out Argos a couple of years or so back and they are now going to also buy out / merge with Asda.

Their first step is to close our local Asda, right next to Molineux football ground (a real gold mine) so we can see just how much money they have or don't need

See, I can make none gambling related posts

 

[pinnit2014]

I used to shop at Waitrose. Then Bonanza came along and I eat from the bins outside the local Chinese.

How times change.