Conservative Party Leadership Odds

[News Hound]

On Brexit Day, we cover the contenders for the Iron Throne, I mean the keys to Number 10. Full details: Top Contenders Jockey for Position to Replace May as Prime Minister

 

[mack341]

Dominic Raab is a decent man, resigned from his job out of principle, he'd be my choice.

 

[SkyHooks]

Dunno about you bloody poms. Shes given an impossible task that is purposely sabotaged by opposition to delay and render her incompendant in public eyes. Whoever wrote the question when you had the referendum was the incompetent one. I thought the Aussie parliament was a joke. You poms make Australia look organised.

 

[steveh35]

Dunno about you bloody poms. Shes given an impossible task that is purposely sabotaged by opposition to delay and render her incompendant in public eyes. Whoever wrote the question when you had the referendum was the incompetent one. I thought the Aussie parliament was a joke. You poms make Australia look organised.

You are correct that the opposition to brexit are making it as hard as possible but May should never have gone for the election and lost a majority, she is tied by the DUP and the ERG and the remainers.

I don't even think a general election would sort this as it's possible the Tory seats in Scotland would go to the SNP making it even harder for a decision to be made.

Where I live we were the highest voting leave area in Yorkshire but this town is so Labour they could be hanging children in a public square every Sunday and still people here would vote for them, the Tories cannot take control of Labour voting leave areas so a general election is useless.

I was hoping that we would be out today but it's getting to the stage now where the EU will just say bugger off on April 12th we have had enough, the mp's voting today think the EU will extend for a long period I don't I think they are fed up and will just tell us to go.

 

[mack341]

I think saint Theresa's the engineer and architect of her own downfall, her 'deal' that's taken 2 years to negotiate is dire, but I agree our parliament is a joke, there's about 200 max decent mp's who respect the will of the people and the rest are clearly in the wrong job, they want us to take orders from unelected bureaucrats and pay for the privilege of doing so, that's the long and short of it.

 

[dunover]

OH joy! Roger Daltrey just recently been interviewed at Wembley stadium regarding a new tour by the Who.

Lefty young brainwashed reporter gets owned - classic! I'm going to get Mr. Daltrey a pint via buying a few of their back catalogue....

 

[shadow123]

Give them a chance to sort it out, its only been nearly 3 years since the referendum,these things take time

God knows why the stupid cow called an election, it would have been sorted long ago if she hadnt

 

[mack341]

OH joy! Roger Daltrey just recently been interviewed at Wembley stadium regarding a new tour by the Who.

Lefty young brainwashed reporter gets owned - classic! I'm going to get Mr. Daltrey a pint via buying a few of their back catalogue....

typical sky news, ratbag remainers. people think it's a conservative news channel but it's a blairite channel

 

[steveh35]

OH joy! Roger Daltrey just recently been interviewed at Wembley stadium regarding a new tour by the Who.

Lefty young brainwashed reporter gets owned - classic! I'm going to get Mr. Daltrey a pint via buying a few of their back catalogue....

Finally someone who has said it, how did the Beatles or The Stones or the 80s bands ever make it big without the EU, I mean my goodness Elvis managed to have a career without ever setting foot in the UK, I hope that reporter feels stupid now.

 

[steveh35]

The farce continues let's hope we just go on April 12th whatever that may mean.

 

[goatwack]

It's basically unbelievable and become a joke. What a mess it's become.

SkyHooks, susanjbo & crikeym8 were all the same person

 

[lockinlove]

Wasnt planning on going anyways. You violent bunch!

 

[steveh35]

Wasnt planning on going anyways. You violent bunch!

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Canadians lead by the biggest snowflake in the world and that warning proves it.

 

[09237653]

Still at least we were lucky to avoid chaos with Ed Miliband.

 

[irish-ranger]

What a fucking joke 17 million voted to leave and yet we are being held to ransom by Europe and the very people who are suppose to speak for us in parliament.
What happens if we have another referendum and the result is the same do we drop the voting age to 12 and keep going until the remainers get the result they are looking for.
Let's just pull the pin and leave and let the pain begin even tho employment is at it highest since 1973 how the hell do they explain that one??

 

[goatwack]

The Cons never wanted to leave the EU, I think that much is obvious, and now we see this whole process go through every possible permutation except the one people actually voted for!

So hard Brexit has now become 'not really a full exit, we still want to stay in Europe' and Theresa May's done her best to bungle the whole process. And I bet David Cameron's still weeping into his frappucino about 2016's Referendum result

By the same token, what is this crap notion of 'Democracy' that we're still supposed to abide by. The Cons say they want to honour the people's vote and preserve the sanctity of Democracy. How about outright sabotage and trying to save face more like.....

And today's generation are pathetic anyway. Didn't get the result you wanted? Throw a hissy-fit, wail on all the 'Socials' and become an armchair slacktivist until you get your way!

Of course it's only fitting that Boris Johnson ascends to PM. From party maverick and laughing stock to top spot. Then the circle is complete

 

[dunover]

Wasnt planning on going anyways. You violent bunch!

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I wouldn't laugh actually - the undercurrent is extreme anger and if you want to see civil unrest of a kind not seen since the 1800's then offer another referendum with remain as an option or keep us in. MP's will be targeted and I can envisage a mob storming the houses and marching the MP's to the Tower, ceremonially if they're lucky. Parliament ceases to have authority when it disobeys a people's instruction. I would be very worried people. My end, no taxation without representation. Cancel my TV Tax, Council Tax payments and withhold income tax. Civil disobedience will be the least violent result. There's a lot of scaffolding around the Houses of Parliament at present - let's hope it isn't put to its more traditional use.

 

[The Viking]

Yeah Kafka new what he was writing about

 

[steveh35]

Still at least we were lucky to avoid chaos with Ed Miliband.

As someone worked in the civil service under three prime ministers I can tell you just count yourself lucky Gordon Brown wasn't prime minister never has a person had no negotiating skills, a union rep once told me they went to negotiate with him and he basically stood by a white board and told the union what he was going to do and had no idea that a union meeting meant he was supposed to negotiate and compromise he couldn't understand that they were not there just to listen to him and agree with him.

He also had totally contempt for the public and the bigot comment he made to the woman during election was typical of him and his attitude.

Out of the three prime ministers he was the worst which isn't saying much Tony Blair just wanted to be mr popular and David Cameron well he just wanted to sack the whole civil service and did quite a good job of it.

 

[irish-ranger]

As someone worked in the civil service under three prime ministers I can tell you just count yourself lucky Gordon Brown wasn't prime minister never has a person had no negotiating skills, a union rep once told me they went to negotiate with him and he basically stood by a white board and told the union what he was going to do and had no idea that a union meeting meant he was supposed to negotiate and compromise he couldn't understand that they were not there just to listen to him and agree with him.

He also had totally contempt for the public and the bigot comment he made to the woman during election was typical of him and his attitude.

Out of the three prime ministers he was the worst which isn't saying much Tony Blair just wanted to be mr popular and David Cameron well he just wanted to sack the whole civil service and did quite a good job of it.

Blair might have wanted to be Mr Popular but in the eyes of the armed forces he was a liar and a war criminal....

 

[mack341]

Dominic Raab is a decent man, resigned from his job out of principle, he'd be my choice.

For the record I'll have to retract this now, just found out he voted in favour of Theresa's terrible deal earlier today

Re Tony Blair, I wish all remainers would think about the fact that he is one of the biggest backers of remaining in the EU, what did Blair ever do that was actually good for the uk?

 

[DreamRJ]

For the record I'll have to retract this now, just found out he voted in favour of Theresa's terrible deal earlier today

Re Tony Blair, I wish all remainers would think about the fact that he is one of the biggest backers of remaining in the EU, what did Blair ever do that was actually good for the uk?

For what it is worth. Raab was and is an hard brexiteer. Only reason he voted for the deal was because of the fact Maybot said she will resign. Plus the fact there was a huge risk of there being a long extension. I am a remainer and always will be. I will never change my views on it. We need the EU just like the EU need us.

And to which a long extension is now basically a sure thing as long as the other 27 member states vote in favour of it on 10th April at the emergency summit. Maybot will also have to give them a good reason for asking for one as well. It will also mean we will have to partake in the EU elections as well.

Obviously I do think that most people on this forum might be hard brexiteers more so than remainers. So our views will clash of course

 

[mack341]

For what it is worth. Raab was and is an hard brexiteer. Only reason he voted for the deal was because of the fact Maybot said she will resign. Plus the fact there was a huge risk of there being a long extension. I am a remainer and always will be. I will never change my views on it. We need the EU just like the EU need us.

And to which a long extension is now basically a sure thing as long as the other 27 member states vote in favour of it on 10th April at the emergency summit. Maybot will also have to give them a good reason for asking for one as well. It will also mean we will have to partake in the EU elections as well.

Obviously I do think that most people on this forum might be hard brexiteers more so than remainers. So our views will clash of course

All this talk of 'hard' brexiteers, what about 'hard' remainers, you can't get much more inflexible than not recognising the democratic result of the referendum, like these mp's [conservative and labour]

I don't really follow the logic of Dominic Raab voting for it because May promised to resign, vote against it and she'd most likely have to resign anyway ? She surely can't keep losing votes and still be PM, it's making our country look silly. Rees Mogg is just as bad, everything he's been saying up to now e.g. principles, democracy, honesty etc.. he's just done a 360 u-turn, what a plonker and a let down.

As an avid remainer do you support an EU army, the new copyright laws, ditching the pound for the euro?
[ just three issues out of many ]

I'm all for polite, logical debate, and some remainers believe they are doing the right thing for the future of the country [and not just for themselves], so I wouldn't accuse all remainers of being traitors or unpatriotic.

I hold a different view of the media, and describe them as ratbag remainers, as they seek to circumvent democracy and will shamelessly lie and distort issues to achieve their aim, they know they're not presenting a balance view now on this parliament debacle, just as they were biased in the lead up to the referendum.

Channel four is one of the worse culprits, the bbc gets a lot of stick and rightly so, but people forget C4 is basically a state owned tv channel, it's not independent so will pump out propaganda as and when required.

Luckily the majority of brits saw through it and stood firm, saying that we haven't left yet and the vote was nearly 3 years ago

 

[DreamRJ]

All this talk of 'hard' brexiteers, what about 'hard' remainers, you can't get much more inflexible than not recognising the democratic result of the referendum, like these mp's [conservative and labour]

I don't really follow the logic of Dominic Raab voting for it because May promised to resign, vote against it and she'd most likely have to resign anyway ? She surely can't keep losing votes and still be PM, it's making our country look silly. Rees Mogg is just as bad, everything he's been saying up to now e.g. principles, democracy, honesty etc.. he's just done a 360 u-turn, what a plonker and a let down.

As an avid remainer do you support an EU army, the new copyright laws, ditching the pound for the euro?
[ just three issues out of many ]

I'm all for polite, logical debate, and many remainers believe they are doing the right thing for the future of the country, so I wouldn't accuse all remainers of being traitors or unpatriotic. I hold a different view of the media, and describe them as ratbag remainers, as they seek to circumvent democracy and will shamelessly lie and distort issues to achieve their aim, they know they're not presenting a balance view now on this parliament debacle, just as they were biased in the lead up to the referendum. Channel four is one of the worse culprits, the bbc gets a lot of stick and rightly so, but people forget C4 is basically a state owned tv channel, it's not independent so will pump out propaganda as and when required.

Luckily the majority of brits saw through it and stood firm, saying that we haven't left yet and the vote was nearly 3 years ago

Well obviously there is some aspects of the EU I do not like. But as for the Euro. Well we have a concession with the EU so we do not need to have it. But if for example we did leave and a new Party who came into power decided to hold a referendum again to rejoin the EU. It would probably result in us then losing the old rules we had, so yes we would be then forced to sign up as a new member state and all previous concessions we had and opt out clauses would all be lost.

As for the Army, well no I am not a fan of an EU army, we already have the Nato and the UN armies. So we really do not need an EU army as that will just drain resources from Nato and UN armies and also the troops will need to switch as well.

As for copyright laws changing. Well I am not too bothered about that to be honest. There is other EU laws which I hate more than that one anyway lol. Like the E-Cig laws that basically now enforce a 2ml tank size and also max nicotine strength of 20mg. I vape at 3mg, but you can now only buy juice without nicotine in them. So you then have to buy the nic shots and mix your own.

But again as for Raab, I personally dislike him. I find him a total pompous git lol All politicians only care for their own career. Do never be fooled when they use the soundbites of "I care for the people of the country" As they do not care what so ever. Most of them anyway (Mainly conservative MP's)

 

[steveh35]

To be honest the one true mp who has stuck by her constituents is Caroline Flint she knows 68.4% of her constituents voted leave and has gone against Labour policy and Momentum are trying to get her deselected. good luck with that she will have full support from the locals for sticking by what they voted for.

Does anyone think this new snowflake Tony Blair inspired do-gooding numpties of the TIG group will get anywhere or will they soon go back to their parties when Corbyn and May disappear?

 

[mack341]

Well obviously there is some aspects of the EU I do not like. But as for the Euro. Well we have a concession with the EU so we do not need to have it. But if for example we did leave and a new Party who came into power decided to hold a referendum again to rejoin the EU. It would probably result in us then losing the old rules we had, so yes we would be then forced to sign up as a new member state and all previous concessions we had and opt out clauses would all be lost.

As for the Army, well no I am not a fan of an EU army, we already have the Nato and the UN armies. So we really do not need an EU army as that will just drain resources from Nato and UN armies and also the troops will need to switch as well.

As for copyright laws changing. Well I am not too bothered about that to be honest. There is other EU laws which I hate more than that one anyway lol. Like the E-Cig laws that basically now enforce a 2ml tank size and also max nicotine strength of 20mg. I vape at 3mg, but you can now only buy juice without nicotine in them. So you then have to buy the nic shots and mix your own.

But again as for Raab, I personally dislike him. I find him a total pompous git lol All politicians only care for their own career. Do never be fooled when they use the soundbites of "I care for the people of the country" As they do not care what so ever. Most of them anyway (Mainly conservative MP's)

I think that's a bit sweeping regarding tories, Tony blair came across as 'caring' to some people from the labour party and looked what human suffering and carnage he caused, and you've only got to look at the danger of political correctness [ which developed massively under blair's labour govt and carried on under tory PM david cameron] that ended up in the police and social services deliberately turning a blind eye to the gang raping of children in places like rotherham. ['caring' not to offend the pakistani community, 'caring' not to do their job]

BTW someone I admired from the left, Tony Benn, a giant of british politics and the labour party couldn't stand the EU.

 

[mack341]

 

[DreamRJ]

I think that's a bit sweeping regarding tories, Tony blair came across as 'caring' to some people from the labour party and looked what human suffering and carnage he caused, and you've only got to look at the danger of political correctness [ which developed massively under blair's labour govt and carried on under tory PM david cameron] that ended up in the police and social services deliberately turning a blind eye to the gang raping of children in places like rotherham. ['caring' not to offend the pakistani community, 'caring' not to do their job]

BTW someone I admired from the left, Tony Benn, a giant of british politics and the labour party couldn't stand the EU.

I could not disagree with you more about Tony Blair. I admired him. He was a great PM. Only thing that caused issues with him was that Iraq war that he coerced with President Bush to goto War in Iraq. As for human suffering and carnage, please do elaborate? As Labour always made sure that people who was vulnerable was always looked after. It was and always has been the conservatives who care only for the rich and not for the poor and disabled and vulnerable. So you could not be more wrong. I think you totally misunderstand and are confused about what party is on what political scale. Conservatives are mainly right and now edging towards being more centre. As for Labour. Under Blair he made them more centred but Now under Corbyn the Labour party is now more left. Left = socialists and right = capitalists. Centre is pretty = towards both ends of the scale. Hence why they call it centre

But please do elaborate and humour me on how Blair caused human suffering and carnage?

 

[steveh35]

I could not disagree with you more about Tony Blair. I admired him. He was a great PM. Only thing that caused issues with him was that Iraq war that he coerced with President Bush to goto War in Iraq. As for human suffering and carnage, please do elaborate? As Labour always made sure that people who was vulnerable was always looked after. It was and always has been the conservatives who care only for the rich and not for the poor and disabled and vulnerable. So you could not be more wrong. I think you totally misunderstand and are confused about what party is on what political scale. Conservatives are mainly right and now edging towards being more centre. As for Labour. Under Blair he made them more centred but Now under Corbyn the Labour party is now more left. Left = socialists and right = capitalists. Centre is pretty = towards both ends of the scale. Hence why they call it centre

But please do elaborate and humour me on how Blair caused human suffering and carnage?

Oh dear Blair a great pm if only you had been in the civil service for the 7 years I was under Blair you would know very different, if you had seen people queing down the streets waiting for tax credits and supergluing their hands to tax office tables, the fundermental flaws in the tax credit system which left people penniless as Tony blair and Gordon Brown didn't understand that people's re;ationships changed and that the tax credit system didn't account for people with unstable lives which meant they ended up paying thousands back, also Labour introduced food banks in 2004 to cope with the issues.

Tony Blair cared nothing for the vulnerable he just wanted to be in the limelight and seen as some kind of hero.

 

[Luckyscouser45]

I don’t care who will be the next Tory leader!! I’m labour through and through. We are all entitled to our opinions. Conservatives have destroyed Liverpool ruined our schools with no funding my little sisters school on brink of closure education secretary doesn’t give a toss even after letters from hundreds of parents in support of the school. No police in the area hence all the drug dealing and stabbings in Liverpool. This isn’t just Liverpool it’s all over the UK. Disabled people treated with utter contempt. So tell me again why most of you vote Tory? Yuck! All this is going on and there is brexit Theresa May was a remainer it makes my blood boil that she is still in a job I don’t pity her I despise her and I despise the Tory party.

 

[Luckyscouser45]

She couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery and the rest of the party are out of touch snobs. Conservatives do not care about the little people the working man or woman or families they care about themselves number one and two there rich freinds and party donors.

 

[steveh35]

If Corbyn gets in and gets his customs union with the EU he won't be able to nationalise the industries he wants to as under EU law countries cannot nationalise companies so he actually needs us to have a no deal or else his manifesto will be unnforcable.

 

[steveh35]

I don’t care who will be the next Tory leader!! I’m labour through and through. We are all entitled to our opinions. Conservatives have destroyed Liverpool ruined our schools with no funding my little sisters school on brink of closure education secretary doesn’t give a toss even after letters from hundreds of parents in support of the school. No police in the area hence all the drug dealing and stabbings in Liverpool. This isn’t just Liverpool it’s all over the UK. Disabled people treated with utter contempt. So tell me again why most of you vote Tory? Yuck! All this is going on and there is brexit Theresa May was a remainer it makes my blood boil that she is still in a job I don’t pity her I despise her and I despise the Tory party.

If you think things are bad now just imagine what it would be like under a Momentum run Labour government with John McDonnell the country will be strike ridden and all the companies who invest and provide jobs will run for the hills under Labours plans, I do think this country needs one period of Momentum Labour to show the millenium generation just what it is like then it.

 

[steveh35]

Wasnt planning on going anyways. You violent bunch!

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I see the Canadian PM is involved in a scandal

 

[mack341]

I could not disagree with you more about Tony Blair. I admired him. He was a great PM. Only thing that caused issues with him was that Iraq war that he coerced with President Bush to goto War in Iraq. As for human suffering and carnage, please do elaborate? As Labour always made sure that people who was vulnerable was always looked after. It was and always has been the conservatives who care only for the rich and not for the poor and disabled and vulnerable. So you could not be more wrong. I think you totally misunderstand and are confused about what party is on what political scale. Conservatives are mainly right and now edging towards being more centre. As for Labour. Under Blair he made them more centred but Now under Corbyn the Labour party is now more left. Left = socialists and right = capitalists. Centre is pretty = towards both ends of the scale. Hence why they call it centre

But please do elaborate and humour me on how Blair caused human suffering and carnage?

I don't think there's any much need for me to elaborate on the blinking obvious re T.Blair, the man was an odious creep. I could post images of war wounded people, soldier and civilian, from the Iraq and afghanistan wars if that would help you understand one of the reasons the man is regarded with utter contempt by the country?

 

[goatwack]

I can't believe anyone would admit to liking Tony Blair! He had a 'good' start back in 1997, I remember the optimism and upbeat vibes after landsliding John Major & co.

All was tickety-boo round about 'til he decided to drag us into unwinnable, Vietnam-esque wars in the Middle East, which if I recall everyone and their dog were dead against, including marching to protest etc.......back when there were valid reasons to march and not whether we'd get a soft or hard Brexit

Tony Blair is a war criminal that should be hung, drawn & quartered. Him and his master are responsible for the mess the world's in now, the pair of murderous TWATS

 

[steveh35]

I can't believe anyone would admit to liking Tony Blair! He had a 'good' start back in 1997, I remember the optimism and upbeat vibes after landsliding John Major & co.

All was tickety-boo round about 'til he decided to drag us into unwinnable, Vietnam-esque wars in the Middle East, which if I recall everyone and their dog were dead against, including marching to protest etc.......back when there were valid reasons to march and not whether we'd get a soft or hard Brexit

Tony Blair is a war criminal that should be hung, drawn & quartered. Him and his master are responsible for the mess the world's in now, the pair of murderous TWATS

Tony Blair just arrived at the right time politically, he was around when Britpop was in full flow, girl power and a general mood of change in people of a certain age who didn't want to be associated with the 80s and wanted their voices heard. The Conservatives were just seen as an old throwback to the 80s he seemed like he would bring a new future.

Anyone could be the new Tony Blair now to bring change but there isn't anyone in either party who has the style, charm and dominance that politics needs all parties are just full of wet, limp nobodies, where is the Churchill, Thatcher, Blair presence of MP to be prime minister there is just nobody.

 

[goatwack]

Tony Blair just arrived at the right time politically, he was around when Britpop was in full flow, girl power and a general mood of change in people of a certain age who didn't want to be associated with the 80s and wanted their voices heard. The Conservatives were just seen as an old throwback to the 80s he seemed like he would bring a new future.

Anyone could be the new Tony Blair now to bring change but there isn't anyone in either party who has the style, charm and dominance that politics needs all parties are just full of wet, limp nobodies, where is the Churchill, Thatcher, Blair presence of MP to be prime minister there is just nobody.

He was what the party needed at the time, maybe even the country, because Labour were stale as week-old bread and their best hope in the form of John Smith had unexpectedly died if I recall. So Blair seized the opportunity well, there's no denying. I think I still have the 'Education, Education, Education' speech etched in my Thalamus

He was undoubtedly charming at first and very un-politician-like. It's what endeared everyone to vote for him and nuke that grey bore John Major. We'll ignore that he nicked half of Conservative policies and spun them into something else

Now it's like Labour has gone back 60 years with Commie Corbyn, kinda hilarious how he's trying to get down with the kids by basically bribing them and appearing at pop concerts to look 'hip'. All the while looking like a throwback to when people could leave their front door unlocked

 

[Luckyscouser45]

Who do the Tory’s have Jacob reese mog who would have us all back in the work house Esther Mcvile Sajid Javid the man who’s own father was an immigrant yet he is still carrying out the hostile environment that Amber Rudd started there all scum bags. Maybe you all live in places were the Tory’s haven’t destroyed your towns and city’s in Liverpool we will never forget what the Tory’s done to our city and we will never vote Tory

He was what the party needed at the time, maybe even the country, because Labour were stale as week-old bread and their best hope in the form of John Smith had unexpectedly died if I recall. So Blair seized the opportunity well, there's no denying. I think I still have the 'Education, Education, Education' speech etched in my Thalamus

He was undoubtedly charming at first and very un-politician-like. It's what endeared everyone to vote for him and nuke that grey bore John Major. We'll ignore that he nicked half of Conservative policies and spun them into something else

Now it's like Labour has gone back 60 years with Commie Corbyn, kinda hilarious how he's trying to get down with the kids by basically bribing them and appearing at pop concerts to look 'hip'. All the while looking like a throwback to when people could leave their front door unlocked

 

[steveh35]

He was what the party needed at the time, maybe even the country, because Labour were stale as week-old bread and their best hope in the form of John Smith had unexpectedly died if I recall. So Blair seized the opportunity well, there's no denying. I think I still have the 'Education, Education, Education' speech etched in my Thalamus

He was undoubtedly charming at first and very un-politician-like. It's what endeared everyone to vote for him and nuke that grey bore John Major. We'll ignore that he nicked half of Conservative policies and spun them into something else

Now it's like Labour has gone back 60 years with Commie Corbyn, kinda hilarious how he's trying to get down with the kids by basically bribing them and appearing at pop concerts to look 'hip'. All the while looking like a throwback to when people could leave their front door unlocked

Even D:Ream singer and writer Peter Cunnah must hate Blair he single handedly took one of the most recognised and played pop songs of the 90s straight off the radio airwaves and lost a fortune in royalties as no one would touch the song, only now is the song getting more airplay again thanks to oldies tv and radio but he must regret letting that song be used.

 

[goatwack]

Who do the Tory’s have Jacob reese mog who would have us all back in the work house Esther Mcvile Sajid Javid the man who’s own father was an immigrant yet he is still carrying out the hostile environment that Amber Rudd started there all scum bags. Maybe you all live in places were the Tory’s haven’t destroyed your towns and city’s in Liverpool we will never forget what the Tory’s done to our city and we will never vote Tory

I don't recall saying I liked the Conservatives? 20+ years ago I actually voted Labour, I think 2010 Conservatives because let's face it, Labour were tired and Gordon Brown incompetent.

What the Conservatives have done in the David Cameron era (and before no doubt) is nothing short of criminal, Welfare cuts, austerity etc.....a very miserable, elitist, hating the everyman kinda bunch. There's no doubt if they could have made the unemployed work in Work Houses, they would, they despise the poor.

That's why I see little benefit in voting for either of the big parties. Lib Dems are a cameo sideshow now. But there's no denying Labour would equally f*ck the country up in their own unique way.....like paying for lots of nice things, a little something for everyone, all provided for by the magical money fairy in the sky

 

[goatwack]

Even D:Ream singer and writer Peter Cunnah must hate Blair he single handedly took one of the most recognised and played pop songs of the 90s straight off the radio airwaves and lost a fortune in royalties as no one would touch the song, only now is the song getting more airplay again thanks to oldies tv and radio but he must regret letting that song be used.

Can't have it both ways. No point retroactively whining about it, he no doubt benefited from the publicity from hawking that song to death. Now he decides 'Oh shucks, Tony Blair was a tosser, I hope no one remembers my part in promoting him'

No doubt he regrets it now, that song will always be linked with that Labour campaign of Tony Blair

 

[steveh35]

Can't have it both ways. No point retroactively whining about it, he no doubt benefited from the publicity from hawking that song to death. Now he decides 'Oh shucks, Tony Blair was a tosser, I hope no one remembers my part in promoting him'

No doubt he regrets it now, that song will always be linked with that Labour campaign of Tony Blair

The link doesn't work anymore but seems he changed his mind

THE pop star behind New Labour's anthem insisted last night Things Can Only Get Better - if voters DUMP the Party.
D:Ream singer Peter Cunnah - whose track was Tony Blair's theme tune when he swept to power in 1997 - backed The Sun as he declared: "We need to give David Cameron a chance."



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[dunover]

I don't recall saying I liked the Conservatives? 20+ years ago I actually voted Labour, I think 2010 Conservatives because let's face it, Labour were tired and Gordon Brown incompetent.

What the Conservatives have done in the David Cameron era (and before no doubt) is nothing short of criminal, Welfare cuts, austerity etc.....a very miserable, elitist, hating the everyman kinda bunch. There's no doubt if they could have made the unemployed work in Work Houses, they would, they despise the poor.

That's why I see little benefit in voting for either of the big parties. Lib Dems are a cameo sideshow now. But there's no denying Labour would equally f*ck the country up in their own unique way.....like paying for lots of nice things, a little something for everyone, all provided for by the magical money fairy in the sky

I think it's more of a case they despise the lazy poor. Welfare cuts were partly to appease public pressure and partly because of the bankrupt treasury Liebore left in 2010. Now, 'workfare' has been tried in some US states IIRC and proved reasonably successful although not by the means of workhouses. Austerity was a result of economic turbulence, not spite and without it economically we'd have been in the real shit now. 'Good housekeeping', I believe Maggie T called it.

 

[lockinlove]

I see the Canadian PM is involved in a scandal

That's what happens when you are a complete clown act.

 

[pinnit2014]

I think it's more of a case they despise the lazy poor. Welfare cuts were partly to appease public pressure and partly because of the bankrupt treasury Liebore left in 2010. Now, 'workfare' has been tried in some US states IIRC and proved reasonably successful although not by the means of workhouses. Austerity was a result of economic turbulence, not spite and without it economically we'd have been in the real shit now. 'Good housekeeping', I believe Maggie T called it.

Really? Portugal seem to have done OK after the newly elected socialists kicked it the the kerb many years ago

 

[DreamRJ]

I can't believe anyone would admit to liking Tony Blair! He had a 'good' start back in 1997, I remember the optimism and upbeat vibes after landsliding John Major & co.

All was tickety-boo round about 'til he decided to drag us into unwinnable, Vietnam-esque wars in the Middle East, which if I recall everyone and their dog were dead against, including marching to protest etc.......back when there were valid reasons to march and not whether we'd get a soft or hard Brexit

Tony Blair is a war criminal that should be hung, drawn & quartered. Him and his master are responsible for the mess the world's in now, the pair of murderous TWATS

But you do know there was actually a vote in Parliament about it? So they could have easily voted against going to war in Iraq. Just saying. Yes that vote I think was not a free vote, so MP's in the Labour Party was whipped to vote in favour of it.

EDIT: And yep, I was right Parliament did get a vote on it.

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[mack341]

But you do know there was actually a vote in Parliament about it? So they could have easily voted against going to war in Iraq. Just saying. Yes that vote I think was not a free vote, so MP's in the Labour Party was whipped to vote in favour of it.

EDIT: And yep, I was right Parliament did get a vote on it.

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course we know there was a vote but that doesn't absolve Blair from the primary culpability, he and other leading politicians and advisers [jack straw alistair campbell etc..] were the chief proponents and instigators.

 

[dunover]

Really? Portugal seem to have done OK after the newly elected socialists kicked it the the kerb many years ago

Really? Check out the economic facts about debt and unemployment. Tells a quite different story alas. The joys of living under socialism's effective bankruptcy.

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[steveh35]

Really? Check out the economic facts about debt and unemployment. Tells a quite different story alas. The joys of living under socialism's effective bankruptcy.

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Unfortunately Dunover the only way this generation will find out what it's like is for them to experience it, if that means the country has to go through a huge economic crisis for them to find out then so be it.