Do all online bingo sites have house players?

[Redponyfan]

I have played at several online bingo sites and it seems like they all have one thing in common. They have all seem to have a certain group of players that manage to win an unreal amount of games each and every night. I was told about a new site called Canadian Dollar Bingo, it was supposed to be a great place to play, good bonus offers and friendly CMs. Well the CMs are friendly, the bonus offers are good although they have dropped in quantity, but here is the rub. The same group of players manage to win hundreds of dolllars each and every night. Are they house players ? Well as my old drill instructor used to say " Don't crap on my forehead and try to tell me it's chocolate! "
Name changes there are as easy as crossing your fingers and big JPs seem to get won by names you have never seen in chat before or by the regular big winners. One player in particular may be the new Stonelady of Zany bingo fame, J*bes, don't know if I could get in trouble for giving this players screen name so the * substitues for a letter in her nick. She wins hundreds each and every night for a total of thousand every week. If a pot gets very large at all you can count on her or one of small group winning it. One other thing I have observed to happen on a regular basis is to have a strange name show up, win a multitude of games and then never be seen again. Last week a new name showed up, T*kki, won seven games in two and half hours and has not been seen again under that name.
Remember this is a new site so no large base of players built up over the years where you might expect to see names that only play every now and then. These are true hit and run artists
I have tried the wonderful world of online bingo because of changes in the law for U.S. players at online casinos. Bingo sites seem to ignore this and willingly accept us. But I have never(thanks in a large part to the Casinomeister and this sites great info) run into such obvious cheating at online casinos as I have in the bingo world.
Well thats my rant and I'm sticking with it. And thanks to Bush and congress for wrecking a good thing.

 

[BingoT]

Can I ask you something?

Can I ask you something? How long have you been going to any type of forums? Why I ask is Stonelady of Zany bingo Her name has been in all forums for a long time now. I guess she's well known.
And this is your first post.
I myself think you can have house players But that would be dirty if they were caught doing this. It's like Poker I know some guys that team up and play in the same room and they talk to the group on the phones to clean house from other players.And they are not house players They are Phone Players lol.
When it comes to online I say stick to slots and Table games but a bingo player is a bingo player just try to have the winning card. It's all luck in that game.
I do promote Bingo at my place but I don't care about that Zany one

Good Luck

 

[Gots]

I myself think you can have house players But that would be dirty if they were caught doing this.

You're kidding right? There is no way for any of them to be caught. People can speculate and point fingers all they like, but online bingo, poker and casinos can do as they please and I'm quite sure they do. There are no laws to stop them. Sure word of mouth might stop some people that are already seasoned online gamblers from playing at a site, but come on, how many brand new people to the world of online gambling actually research BEFORE they spend a nickle online.

It's like Poker I know some guys that team up and play in the same room and they talk to the group on the phones to clean house from other players.

I found this statement repulsive. I'm positive such groups do exist, there is no question in my mind. It's a simple way for a group to make money. What I find repulsive is that you claim to KNOW such a group and choose to do nothing about it. Are you part of the group? If not you're either flat out lying about knowing such a group to try and better your post or you do know such a group and could care less about fairness in online gambling.

 

[BingoT]

I have No reason to lie Thank You I come from a very good upbring
And yes I do know a group Oh I forgot to say I met them playing poker at Foxwoods and they were talking about it and I see this group all the time playing at Foxwoods So that would mean I know them. and i'm not in it because I do also promote poker and on top of it they don't do it in a place I promote.And if that was the case I would not say Shi.

Stick to your WatchDog Bingo Ok You seem like your in at the BPU and you like to start Sh..

 

[BingoT]

Oh I forgot to say I have no reason to better myself.
I'm just saying this goes on. Like this thread is about the same names winning all the time in bingo and that goes on as well.
If someone wants to find a way to cheat online they will do the best they can to do it.And I have no reason to cheat in anything I do.

Good Day

 

[shirlsplay]

house players

I believe that every bingo has there own ghost players. but they can't win all the time.lol. i do not mind them i think it's there way of making up the difference on the bonuses they give.I guess if i ever lose a lot of money than i might change my mind lmao.But if you love bingo like me, you just accept it.
thank you,

 

[kaufman]

This is a subject that gets thrown aroun a lot, but to this day i have not yet seen any solid proof! I am not saying it does not happen. What I am saying is that I haven't seen any solid proof of it. A winners list of the same names is not valid proof. It just is not. If sites did create house players I am sure they would go to greater ways to cover it up than displaying it for all to see on the winners pages.

I think that the ability to create house/ghost players would depend on the software itself.

Before I get leapt upon by herds of angry people, I am not saying they don't exist equally I am not saying they do - just that I find it hard to believe that sites would be that obvious. I suppose I am somewhat playing devil's advocate.

Final thought: I also play land based bingo regularly. I don't win very often, others do. Does that mean that my local bingo hall has house players too?

 

[Gots]

And yes I do know a group Oh I forgot to say I met them playing poker at Foxwoods and they were talking about it and I see this group all the time playing at Foxwoods So that would mean I know them.

That's quite different from what you said before, thanks for clearing that up.

Stick to your WatchDog Bingo Ok You seem like your in at the BPU and you like to start Sh..

This is an insult to the highest degree. I am not a bingo watchdog for any forum. I played at a few sites, saw some wrong shit and posted it. As far as BPU goes, well, those people are a bunch of whackos. They accuse accuse accuse, but show no proof whatsoever of anything, but they do like to make lists and point fingers. Cya should be thrown off the internet entirely, probably right along with the rest of the so called staff at that joke of a forum.

Don't ever associate me with those halfwits again please.

 

[BingoT]

I'm sorry I did'nt say Foxwoods

That's quite different from what you said before, thanks for clearing that up.
.

I'm sorry I did'nt say Foxwoods
And I did say I knew them so how is it quite different on what I said?
The only thing I did'nt say I knew them from Foxwoods.
And when I saw your Quote to Quote to Quote I was thinking the only one's that do that stuff are the one's from that group.
I'm very Sorry

 

[Gots]

And when I saw your Quote to Quote to Quote I was thinking the only one's that do that stuff are the one's from that group.

Well excuse me for trying to simplify direct answers to direct quotes. If that's how I got associated with a bunch of halfwits, then I will never do it again, but you did tell me to stick to watchdoggin bingo, which inferred you knew me from there in other ways. I haven't played bingo for months.

Allthough it can never be proved one way or the other if a site has house players, it's entirely too easy for them to be able to do it in the first place. If regulation ever hit the online bingo scene, I would give it some minor thought to play again, but probably still wouldnt, since it is nothing more than a game of chance. I think I'll stick to poker. Oh yes, there are whiners in that category too, but it's my hand and how I play it determines the outcome. The whiney losers will cry rigged, let them. I play on 2 sites and I am up a total of 16k over 3 months.

 

[BingoT]

Good for You

Good for You
Keep Winning
I hope your not mad at me in anyway. I did'nt mean any harm.
Peace

 

[Redponyfan]

Just passing along observations

It seems this thread took a hard right into the online poker world but my intent in starting this thread was to pass along my observations. Information is the best tool any player can have in choosing how to spend their money at any gambling site. I think sometimes people get too wrapped up in the illusion of an online gaming site. They forget that they are playing with software provided by the very people your are trying to win money from. Can that software be manipulated by the owners? Of course it can. You then must depend upon how trustworthy the site owners are.

I would much rather play at online casinos but due to law changes that is not too easy for U.S. players now. However during the time I did play at online casinos I relied on this site and its forums for my primary source of information to help me determine which sites were trustworthy. I think I did learn how to pay attention and I do have the ability to recognize a pattern when I see one. Can I give you hard proof, no I can not. So I give my observations, a sustained winning streak that seems to have no end by a small group of players that all seem to know each other onsite and off. The ability to change site nicknames at will is also a negative in my opinion. One other factor to consider is the economics for the bingo site. For example if the are playing 90% payout and the pot is $90 then the rake for the bingo site is $10, meaning that $100 total was taken in on ticket sales for that game. If they play 12 games in one hour then the rake is $120, not too much of a profit considering they have to pay expenses out of that 120 and that hour may include one or more games with a special higher jackpot.

When a house player wins a pot then 100% of that pot is the rake. So just observe and come to your decision about how trustworthy you think a site is. Does "land" bingo cheat ? I know of three cases in my area where groups were prosecuted for doing just that, cheating. If its a game of chance then someone has figured a way to rig it. information is your only defense.

 

[dominique]

Guys, just about any multi player gaming situation online starts out with houseplayers.

Who will be the first to play an empty room? Who will play for a pot with no money in it?

Of course there are houseplayers in Bingo, Poker, Backgammon, skill game tournies and everything else that requires more than one person to play, and especially games that depend on a pot to make them attractive.

There is a legitimate use for house players, and you would be hard up to find any multi player place that has never used them.

In a normal situation they contribute to the pot like everyone else, and they win or lose like everyone else, since the goal of the exercise is to provide a realistic playing environment in a new gambling situation.

Is this ever abused? I am sure it is, everything is abused if certain types of people can figure out a way to do it.

But in a new establishment, abuse would defeat the purpose. The purpose is to create a pool of happy players, playing for a decent sized pot with friendly roomies and winning and losing in a natural way. That is what makes people come back, and that is what blows life into a new place, and that is how it is normally done.

Just like with any other online game, the bad apples do get outed eventually. Players are not stupid, they watch and take notice and come here and other places when they see foul play.

That said, Redponyfan, you wouldn't be an emissary from the "bingo watchdogs", would you?

 

[LadyHoldem]

In response to the group of people that win all the time...

I used to work as a chat manager for an online bingo room.. We had some of those all the time winners.. seemed they won thousands monthly, while others barely put a drop in the bucket.

What you have to take into account though is that these same ladies would be with me from the moment I opened the virtual doors, till the minute I got done, 12 hours later... $1 per card, they'd buy the max amount of cards available, and play all day..

They weren't always big winners, as the site stated.. because they were spending much much more than they won.

~LadyH

 

[whatwedontknow]

Gots said:

This is an insult to the highest degree. I am not a bingo watchdog for any forum. I played at a few sites, saw some wrong shit and posted it. As far as BPU goes, well, those people are a bunch of whackos. They accuse accuse accuse, but show no proof whatsoever of anything, but they do like to make lists and point fingers. Cya should be thrown off the internet entirely, probably right along with the rest of the so called staff at that joke of a forum.

Don't ever associate me with those halfwits again please.

You must know im not going to just let that go.
If that is so true Pat, then why did you ask our help last week?

 

[Gots]

Gots said:


You must know im not going to just let that go.
If that is so true Pat, then why did you ask our help last week?

I see there's one of the halfwits now.

You are obviously lost on who I am, because I don't have an account at bpu and if I did have one, it certainly wouldn't be used to ask a bunch of finger pointing fools for help. It would instead be to tear you apart for accusing both sites and people of various things without one shred of evidence.

On a more pressing matter, no BingoT, I was never mad at you.

 

[whatwedontknow]

well for a half wit.... i could sure prove it was you easily enough dumbass.
but ill rise above your level n let you continue on.

 

[Gots]

well for a halfwit.

Exactly, move it along on back to the accusatory site with no proof.

 

[whatwedontknow]

you should never take a quote out of context.
Originally Posted by whatwedontknow

well for a half wit.... i could sure prove it was you easily enough dumbass.
but ill rise above your level n let you continue on.

 

[Gots]

well for a halfwit

Yes, ok. Now can we get back to the topic of this thread or shall we start another one and carry on quoting?

 

[whatwedontknow]

once a liar always a liar.....carry on

 

[Gots]

once a lier always a lier.....carry on

Yes, ty. BTW, it's liar...carry on.

This is a subject that gets thrown aroun a lot, but to this day i have not yet seen any solid proof! I am not saying it does not happen. What I am saying is that I haven't seen any solid proof of it. A winners list of the same names is not valid proof. It just is not. If sites did create house players I am sure they would go to greater ways to cover it up than displaying it for all to see on the winners pages.

I think that the ability to create house/ghost players would depend on the software itself.

Before I get leapt upon by herds of angry people, I am not saying they don't exist equally I am not saying they do - just that I find it hard to believe that sites would be that obvious. I suppose I am somewhat playing devil's advocate.

Final thought: I also play land based bingo regularly. I don't win very often, others do. Does that mean that my local bingo hall has house players too?

This was a great post. Too many of the same names you see going forum to forum complaining about house players have admitted they lost money. It seems they can't accept the fact they gambled their money and lost. They have to have someone to blame and can not hold themselves accountable for their actions, so they claim foul by the sites.

What are they claiming? Someone wins more often then they do, so then the site must be cheating. All the time thinking that they spent so much money, when in fact they've probably spent a fraction of the amount of the person they are claiming is a house player.

If the sites wanted to cheat, they sure as hell could easily since there are no regulations in place, but no owner in their right mind would keep the same made up player name winning over and over to draw attention to it....that just makes no sense.

Are there house players? Who knows, but just like kaufman, I've not seen one shred of proof or evidence that house players exist, just whiners that need to blame someone.

 

[BingoT]

Gots You Got it

Yes, ty. BTW, it's liar...carry on.
This was a great post. Too many of the same names you see going forum to forum complaining about house players have admitted they lost money. It seems they can't accept the fact they gambled their money and lost. They have to have someone to blame and can not hold themselves accountable for their actions, so they claim foul by the sites.

What are they claiming? Someone wins more often then they do, so then the site must be cheating. All the time thinking that they spent so much money, when in fact they've probably spent a fraction of the amount of the person they are claiming is a house player.

If the sites wanted to cheat, they sure as hell could easily since there are no regulations in place, but no owner in their right mind would keep the same made up player name winning over and over to draw attention to it....that just makes no sense.

Are there house players? Who knows, but just like kaufman, I've not seen one shred of proof or evidence that house players exist, just whiners that need to blame someone.

Oh my I have to say THIS IS THE TRUTH
I say this time & Time again
Gots You Got it
Watch out if you go to them they will walk on you if you want to say your 2 cents

 

[I BEEN THERE]

I just have to add my 2 cents here since it does appear to be the appropriate place.. Would you consider anyone taking free BBS from a CM because they are friends a house player ? I am sure many of us don't like to play against someone receiving extra benefits because they are roomates and good friends. I suppose that does not count huh ? It is highly unlikely this same behavior does not happen at most if not all sites. Nobody likes to lose but against those odds no wonder there are so many whiners. If sites would clean up their act there would sure be a lot less complaining.

https://sussexmskpartnershipeast.com/forums/threads/bingoland.13249/

I BEEN THERE

 

[dominique]

Hmmm, what a collection of posters.

Liars, half wits, dumbasses....

Geez guys, can we stay away form all the insults and discuss something here?

1. Of course there are house players. Every multi player online game starts out with house players.

2. Like ladyholdem said, some people play all day long investing lots of money and get a lot of wins that way. Do they actually end up ahead? Probably occasionally, but you need to consider the investment here.

3. Sorry if I offended someone by thinking they were an emissary of BPU.

And, finally, a quote:

If the sites wanted to cheat, they sure as hell could easily since there are no regulations in place, but no owner in their right mind would keep the same made up player name winning over and over to draw attention to it....that just makes no sense.

Exactly.

 

[winbig]

My definition of a bad loser:

Someone that can't believe they keep losing; so they try and put the blame on someone/something else to justify their losses.

Honestly though....isn't the "house player" topic played out too much already? Cut your losses, quit beating a dead horse, and move on. If you think a site has a bunch of house players and hardly any legit players, quit playing there and find a reputable site to play at.

Constantly bitching about it isn't going to change their business practices, so what good does it do?

 

[Gots]

I just have to add my 2 cents here since it does appear to be the appropriate place.. Would you consider anyone taking free BBS from a CM because they are friends a house player ? I am sure many of us don't like to play against someone receiving extra benefits because they are roomates and good friends. I suppose that does not count huh ? It is highly unlikely this same behavior does not happen at most if not all sites. Nobody likes to lose but against those odds no wonder there are so many whiners. If sites would clean up their act there would sure be a lot less complaining.

You can bring up bingoland all you like. It still holds that both jcn and myself had an unfair advantage over other players, but that didnt make us house players. A house player is someone that plays for the house. If they win they can't, by their choosing, cash out. Likewise any pots won with those bbs were won in cash, not bbs. There was never a restriction on either one of use that we couldn't cash out if those bbs turned into cash.

Unfair advantage, sure. House player, no.

 

[Redponyfan]

Didn't know what I started

Ok first let me answer a couple of questions and or accusations about my posts. No I am not hooked up with any bingo watchdog site, the only forum I belong to or have ever posted at is here. Begining to think posting here was a bad idea. No I am not a bad loser who can't get over the fact that I gambled and lost. I am mature enough to understand why it is called gambling and at online bingo I have had wins and losses, thats the nature of the beast. I know there is a very real risk of losing my money just don't try and cheat me out of it. All I ask is a level playing field , house advantage taken into consideration.

Yes I have read other posts here about house players and I was not trying to duplicate those posts,i.e. Zany bingo. Only to add my own observations for the possible benefit of others. As I said this is the only forum I belong to so I am not running around posting at a bunch of different forums. As far as all sites having house players to draw other people in? Isn't that called being a schill ? and woouldn't people already have to be logged into a site to see these schills, so wouldn't that mean they were going to play at that site anyway, schills or not ? maybe my logic is a little fuzzy on this but I don't think so. Anyway, so much for my attempt to post something helpful. I guess once a subject has been discussed it shouldn't be brought up again, it will just fix itself and fade away. I know this is my last comment on it.

 

[dominique]

Begining to think posting here was a bad idea.

No it's not, you just happened to step into something you could not have known about.

Once it was settled you were not yet another incarnation of some previous posters, BingoT and I apologized.

I don't think the remainder of the comments were written with you in mind, but were general comments and had to do with previous threads.

Like I said, you just happened to step into the middle of something here.

I hope you will continue to post and ignore what has happened so far, it really had nothing to do with you personally.

BTW, welcome to Casinomeister, Redponyfan!

 

[BingoT]

Redponyfan your input is a big help to many

Redponyfan your input is a big help to many.
And please your a great person and I say speak your pease and don't mind what others say. The old saying is "In one ear and out the other ear"
And you did find a great forum here.Bryan is a great person to know and if you run into anything dirty he will help you all the way too. And I can say most here that post here will too.
Have A Great Day
Christmas is almost here too lets all see a smile on everyone's face
Merry Christmas and A Happy New Year and may the New Year bring in best of Luck & Health to all and God Bless

Tom

 

[LadyHoldem]

Well thats my rant and I'm sticking with it.

I'd stick with it, at any forum you are welcome to your opinion, and your going to run into other peoples opinios.

There's a couple of things to keep in mind here.. 1. There is no tone of voice, so sometimes it seems like we are being jerks, when really, we just didn't read the post in the correct tone of voice.

2. In a discussion forum, things tend to get discussed... to death.

Don't worry to much about it, or take any offense, if a debate arises, then you brought up a decent topic for discussion.. don't take it to personal

Welcome to forums in general, especially this one

~LadyH

 

[BingoT]

Hey Redponyfan I will add this

Hey Redponyfan I will add this
You could not ask for two better people to know.
Dominique & LadyHoldem
If you ever need any help with any type of gaming ask them.
And I know they will help you all the way.
I love them both and i'm glad I know them.
Like myself I will help anyone I can. One of my sayings is:
"People Helping People"
The World would be a better place if we all help out for a better tomorrow

 

[canadian57]

New ssite that poped in in novemeber from what i was told by a player in chat

I have played at several online bingo sites and it seems like they all have one thing in common. They have all seem to have a certain group of players that manage to win an unreal amount of games each and every night. I was told about a new site called Canadian Dollar Bingo, it was supposed to be a great place to play, good bonus offers and friendly CMs. Well the CMs are friendly, the bonus offers are good although they have dropped in quantity, but here is the rub. The same group of players manage to win hundreds of dolllars each and every night. Are they house players ? Well as my old drill instructor used to say " Don't crap on my forehead and try to tell me it's chocolate! "
Name changes there are as easy as crossing your fingers and big JPs seem to get won by names you have never seen in chat before or by the regular big winners. One player in particular may be the new Stonelady of Zany bingo fame, J*bes, don't know if I could get in trouble for giving this players screen name so the * substitues for a letter in her nick. She wins hundreds each and every night for a total of thousand every week. If a pot gets very large at all you can count on her or one of small group winning it. One other thing I have observed to happen on a regular basis is to have a strange name show up, win a multitude of games and then never be seen again. Last week a new name showed up, T*kki, won seven games in two and half hours and has not been seen again under that name.
Remember this is a new site so no large base of players built up over the years where you might expect to see names that only play every now and then. These are true hit and run artists
I have tried the wonderful world of online bingo because of changes in the law for U.S. players at online casinos. Bingo sites seem to ignore this and willingly accept us. But I have never(thanks in a large part to the Casinomeister and this sites great info) run into such obvious cheating at online casinos as I have in the bingo world.
Well thats my rant and I'm sticking with it. And thanks to Bush and congress for wrecking a good thing.

in that last 2-3 days there are players i have never seen in the month i player and they win win win..some up to 4 or 5 times in a row..u start to see players deminised slowly, i gues like myself get fed up and leave..i have never experienced this at a few sites i played regularly for years the odds of someone winning 4 games and missd a game and then win 4 more and miss again and then 3 more..with 12 players int he room..i started writing it down, in a one hojr season this new players never seen before won 10 and one more as i was typing this..in the last threee days new names appearing like flys and disappear and the next day more new names doing the same thing im wondering if i should continung playing..i wish ther was a way to find out..toally unfair..i referred a few friends becasue int he beginning i was winning and then all of a sudden nothing for 4 days nothing..sometimes i would go as far as 17 calls ..that alot of calls and then bingo and it be the same player..tonight 6 different names i havent seen and they pulling in between the 6 of them..i dont understand doing this since u can lose real players that actaully pay to play...im hoping i can get my money there have the biggest wager requiremt i have ever experience 20 buks 75 dollar bonus and u have to wager 1200..wow so there making huge on the players,, i dont usually say anything but tonight i oopen chat and said never seen anyone win to that degree in an hour season without naming name..i bet tomorrow there will be some more new names appear and then those new names that appeared arent there been paying attention the last 4 days..not one game in 2 hours could i hit in 4 days with chance and more chances..maybe im wrong but i got this gut feeling that maybe its not worth playing..if there are house players therenot much u can do i guess..just needed to vent on this new site with a huge wagering requirement and players that win more than half the prizes..question is there a way to do anything any way to find out the site is being fair..guess ill find out when i try to withdraw..1800 plus back they got for my requirement, just on bingo i dont bothe with the casino games u get nothing 5-10 cent on the buk so why bother. hopefully i dont have to pitch if they dont pay me..that would not be good..after ewallet stole all my money..i just didnt beleive the story..i actaully stopped playing..for awhile almost since ewallt i thought i give it a try and then this keeps happening..sorry for typing this long message im in a non trusting mood right now i want to be wrong but im hearing complaines from players in chat my friends who get fed up and turn it off..im not recommending any more most hate the large requirent..imagine the wager req..if u put in a few hundres at 300-500% they add that on..so 10 times say 300 and the bonus at 300 means serious wager.

oh well on to going back to the hall..lol i dont play as much as i use to but atleast where i do play i no its fair..i hit 5000 twice and im a real person not a fake player. ( i no in the past it was happening..that bingo is not gone)

i dont want to say the sites name right at this moment unless they dont pay me. i think ill go back to poker tourneys i have never had issues with tiger..and i do win....thanks for listening..

canadian57

p.s. i have no idea idf they come and read commnets so i use a differnt user name..i biotch about a sites yeas ago..they kicked me out for winning they used a casino..bingos bingo and what am i suppose to lose..dumbness thing i experince..im a honest oerson and thet reall peeved me..that site is now gone..

wow..hope u dont mind my long message..i have to vent its really bugs me to see same name wining evry game or more than half..they could be buyig allt he cards but even that a chance tried it sisnt work for me..back to 8..lol..have a geat night

crazy canadian57

 

[KasinoKing]

in that last 2-3 days there are players i have never seen in the month i player and they win win win..some up to 4 or 5 times in a row..u start to see players deminised slowly, i gues like myself get fed up and leave..i have never experienced this at a few sites i played regularly for years the odds of someone winning 4 games and missd a game and then win 4 more and miss again and then 3 more..with 12 players int he room..i started writing it down, in a one hojr season this new players never seen before won 10 and one more as i was typing this..in the last threee days new names appearing like flys and disappear and the next day more new names doing the same thing im wondering if i should continung playing..i wish ther was a way to find out..toally unfair..i referred a few friends becasue int he beginning i was winning and then all of a sudden nothing for 4 days nothing..sometimes i would go as far as 17 calls ..that alot of calls and then bingo and it be the same player..tonight 6 different names i havent seen and they pulling in between the 6 of them..i dont understand doing this since u can lose real players that actaully pay to play...im hoping i can get my money there have the biggest wager requiremt i have ever experience 20 buks 75 dollar bonus and u have to wager 1200..wow so there making huge on the players,, i dont usually say anything but tonight i oopen chat and said never seen anyone win to that degree in an hour season without naming name..i bet tomorrow there will be some more new names appear and then those new names that appeared arent there been paying attention the last 4 days..not one game in 2 hours could i hit in 4 days with chance and more chances..maybe im wrong but i got this gut feeling that maybe its not worth playing..if there are house players therenot much u can do i guess..just needed to vent on this new site with a huge wagering requirement and players that win more than half the prizes..question is there a way to do anything any way to find out the site is being fair..guess ill find out when i try to withdraw..1800 plus back they got for my requirement, just on bingo i dont bothe with the casino games u get nothing 5-10 cent on the buk so why bother. hopefully i dont have to pitch if they dont pay me..that would not be good..after ewallet stole all my money..i just didnt beleive the story..i actaully stopped playing..for awhile almost since ewallt i thought i give it a try and then this keeps happening..sorry for typing this long message im in a non trusting mood right now i want to be wrong but im hearing complaines from players in chat my friends who get fed up and turn it off..im not recommending any more most hate the large requirent..imagine the wager req..if u put in a few hundres at 300-500% they add that on..so 10 times say 300 and the bonus at 300 means serious wager.

Jeeeze!
Good luck to anyone reading that - I didn't want to break my eyes trying!
A few carriage returns and blank spaces make a LOT of difference to the reader - the second part of your post was fine!

And thanks for bumping a 9-year-old thread - I had forgotten some of it!
And by-the-way - the OP's account is dormant and she hasn't visited the forum for 5 years...

KK