Gossip and Rumours Evolution Gaming Rigged ?

[DonkeyEvo]

[maxd says: Please be aware that this person makes a number of accusations but never provided a shed of evidence. When repeatedly asked and invited to do so they simply left the forum without comment. Caveat lector.]

Dear community,

After working at Evolution Gaming for well over 7 years, as a Senior Software Engineer, it is now time for me to say goodbye to this company.

Reason for this is that the company is getting more and more agressive towards manipulating games.

I advise anyone to stay far away from this company and certainly do not bet big amounts of money there. While it is possible for you to win a small amount, to get you sucked in. You will certainly lose all your money over a longer period of time. This is because they make use of A.I. and some of their games are even illegally rigged.

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[johnnymcc1966]

Can you go into more detail? How?Which games,etc?

 

[The Dude]

Dear community,

After working at Evolution Gaming for well over 7 years, as a Senior Software Engineer, it is now time for me to say goodbye to this company.

Reason for this is that the company is getting more and more agressive towards manipulating games.

I advise anyone to stay far away from this company and certainly do not bet big amounts of money there. While it is possible for you to win a small amount, to get you sucked in. You will certainly lose all your money over a longer period of time. This is because they make use of A.I. and some of their games are even illegally rigged.

Those are pretty strong words. Please reread the forum rules before you post anything further.

Like this one:

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And this one:

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[satchnz]

Hi DonkeyEvo,

Firstly, can you provide any proof that you held the position you claim at this company?
Secondly, when you say manipulated, do you mean the games are manipulated in order to stay within the stated RTPs?

It’s your first post here after all…

 

[L&L-Jan]

You will certainly lose all your money over a longer period of time.

Nothing new, applies to all forms of gambling. Been having that issue personally for over 15 years now.

 

[Jono777]

Evolution...rigged, now where have I hear that before ...??

In all seriousness though, would love to see posted proof, never trusted this organisation and never will. I do think the OP will find a horse head on his pillow long before we get to see any proof however.

 

[neilw]

Welcome to Casinomeister.

That is some first post.

Let me get the right. You worked for Evolution for 7 years in the role of Senior Software Engineer and were presumably responsible for implementing the code you say is being used to manipulate the games illegally. But you only chose now to reveal this after 7 years?

As a community, we have been long been awaiting the arrival of someone that could provide evidence of Evolution games being rigged. Presumably, you have more than just words to back up your claims.

What games are you referring to, as most of the games are "live" and don't need code to determine the result?

 

[johnnymcc1966]

Welcome to Casinomeister.

That is some first post.

Let me get the right. You worked for Evolution for 7 years in the role of Senior Software Engineer and were presumably responsible for implementing the code you say is being used to manipulate the games illegally. But you only chose now to reveal this after 7 years?

As a community, we have been long been awaiting the arrival of someone that could provide evidence of Evolution games being rigged. Presumably, you have more than just words to back up your claims.

What games are you referring to, as most of the games are "live" and don't need code to determine the result?

Does he mean the servers are being manipulated too? Don't BTG use Evolution servers nowadays too for their slots?

 

[neilw]

Does he mean the servers are being manipulated too? Don't BTG use Evolution servers nowadays too for their slots?

I think the OP needs to be clear about which games, as Evolution is more than a Live Casino company now, with BTG and Netent part of them.

But as CM says, it may not be wise to show the evidence on a public forum. Perhaps he should PM it to CM or myself.

 

[DonkeyEvo]

Welcome to Casinomeister.

That is some first post.

Let me get the right. You worked for Evolution for 7 years in the role of Senior Software Engineer and were presumably responsible for implementing the code you say is being used to manipulate the games illegally. But you only chose now to reveal this after 7 years?

As a community, we have been long been awaiting the arrival of someone that could provide evidence of Evolution games being rigged. Presumably, you have more than just words to back up your claims.

What games are you referring to, as most of the games are "live" and don't need code to determine the result?

Well, you might think that none of the live games requires code, thats not the case.
In fact, let me tell you, all of their live games are ran by highly sophisticated scripts, they also adapt to your playing style. (yes thats right, wheel games, lightning roulette, and other live game shows).

Anyone with a excellent knowledge of Javascript, can DM me so I can prove myself.

 

[DonkeyEvo]

Those are pretty strong words. Please reread the forum rules before you post anything further.

Like this one:

And this one:

Im sorry, please feel free to remove my post

 

[The Dude]

Actually, I think the cat's already out of the bag.

 

[DonkeyEvo]

Actually, I think the cat's already out of the bag.

Sure, if you want to keep surpressing the truth, go ahead, its really what this industry needs more of.

 

[goatwack]

It's just great to see a whistleblower finally expose those bent gits

 

[neilw]

Well, you might think that none of the live games requires code, thats not the case.
In fact, let me tell you, all of their live games are ran by highly sophisticated scripts, they also adapt to your playing style. (yes thats right, wheel games, lightning roulette, and other live game shows).

Anyone with a excellent knowledge of Javascript, can DM me so I can prove myself.

Before we get into this and look at the code, can we establish some things for the thread's sake, as it's one thing to script games and have code to enhance the player experience and another thing to control the outcome and result of a game?

Are we just talking about the "Live" and "Live RNG" games?
Are we talking about the result of a game being manipulated, so it's in favour of the House?
What part of the game is being manipulated? Is it just the RNG elements, physical elements and or the final result?
You mention Lightning Roulette, Wheel Games and Game shows - is it the whole of the games or part of them?

It would be helpful if you could take one game and explain the process of how the game is being manipulated and rigged. Step us through the process of what is happening, so we can understand the extent of your allegations.

 

[nfehily]

Mmmmmm, should I click the 'watch tab?
Hell yes!

 

[Jono777]

Before we go any further, we will have NO PM's no DM's in fact no M's of any description

This thread will do just fine thank you very much

 

[trees]

i been stolen by them for years and never stopped and allways try to win back and never happen.
i feel exactly as what he wrote.
the more number u cover at the roulette the sooner it finds the empty spot.
before evolution came there were also live roulette those feels more natural.
like how the spin just goes.
now it bounce allways out of the part i bet and lands on the lowest bet or empty part. especially when u cover alot of numbers.
what can we do? nothing!! and even the regulators say they are legit!!
there is no way it is legit not evolution,, not pragmatic ... not playtech.
they run the same way.

if i go to landbase casino i have lot more chances on the roulette!!!!
how the ball sometimes moves is just impossible..
they look in a way that u think that it is natural way but it isnt!

 

[Sasukdcf]

i used to play the wheel games (mainly monopoly ) and stopped after a very lucky hit netted me 15K plus change....

but the cycles they go in defied variance day in day out and even though I dont think its evolution the alice in wonderland wheel, blatantly appears to speed up or slow down mid spin.... and IMHO is controlled.... and would be easy to do as would the people spinning it be able to hit positions after limited practice without doubt (on wheel games not roulette )

 

[Jono777]

When I worked land based I could on a good day 7/10 hit a section of 7-8 numbers and a really good day I could often spin into 3-4 number sections and had even spun exact numbers....honestly this was however after 2 years of working 40h a week on roulette.

Hold on back in a sec, phones ringing, oh its a Stockholm area code....?.....?....?

 

[Lemon]

Finally someone has lifted the lid and provided the irrefutable DNA evidence many for so long have craved...

 

[neilw]

Finally someone has lifted the lid and provided the irrefutable DNA evidence many for so long have craved...

No one has provided anything yet!

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Live games adapt to your playing style???

What about all the other players all over the world betting on the same game?? All on different numbers?? Does the game adapt to those as well?

Perhaps everybody gets their own video feed to fuck them over??

Or perhaps the game quickly works out the lowest payout across the board and delivers that number?? Which of course would mean thousands still win regardless?? Not affecting anybody’s individual session.

I don’t know why they just don’t go full ham and spin the ball out of the wheel onto the floor every spin.

Jeeez

 

[mack341]

Ladbrokes have really pushed those live wheel games ... I've never understood the appeal, also they're probably a magnet for martingale tactics.

With natural momentum not sure how you could control the wheel to land exactly where you wanted it, possibly the spin power is controlled mechanically by a computer rather than actually relying on the presenter's heave, then the force could be calculated and varied to land where you wanted, that though would seem to conflict with what you see, which is the presenter applying all the force.

 

[goatwack]

For weeks, maybe months I'd been placing bets on what you'd call my 'lucky number'. Yet it baffled me how with the law of averages, this accursed bet just wouldn't drop for me on Roulette, even the French version.

Turns out I'd been placing them on 37! A number that apparently only I could see!

Punters were just helping themselves to my money when I wasn't looking, the feckers. Rigged!!

 

[maxd]

No one has provided anything yet!

EXACTLY the central issue here. No proof = no case. Hearsay and opinions are cheap and plentiful.

 

[paul7388]

No one has provided anything yet!

Think you will find it was a tongue in cheek post by lemon.

 

[The Dude]

Sure, if you want to keep surpressing the truth, go ahead, its really what this industry needs more of.

Keep surpressing (sic) the truth? You're the one who deleted your post - not me. All I did was remind you that we have strict rules when it comes to threads like these. And we won't take the hit for posting libellous claims.

Good one taking a shot at me, in my forum, on my website. Let's just see how long this thread will last before you go all hominem on us.

 

[Jono777]

Live games adapt to your playing style???

What about all the other players all over the world betting on the same game?? All on different numbers?? Does the game adapt to those as well?

Perhaps everybody gets their own video feed to fuck them over??

Or perhaps the game quickly works out the lowest payout across the board and delivers that number?? Which of course would mean thousands still win regardless?? Not affecting anybody’s individual session.

I don’t know why they just don’t go full ham and spin the ball out of the wheel onto the floor every spin.

Jeeez

Have you watched "The Capture" ? - BBC i-Player

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

It wouldn’t surprise me if some of the nut jobs on here would think that kind of thing could apply to their losing spin tbf!!

 

[Mark_Lottomart]

I must admit, I admire the integrity of the OP in quitting his job. I mean, if I was a software engineer in a senior position in a huge company which is rigging their games, surely I'd know how the rig works and be able to profit from it? I guess the prospect of a money tree didn't appeal?

I'll speak to our account manager at Evo, we've obviously not been kept in the loop of this scam and we keep getting players winning on their games. Perhaps they are the OP's ex-colleagues who know how the system works? Just our luck they'd play at Lottomart.

 

[satchnz]

This thread feels like it’s nothing more than an “I’ve got a secret but I’m not telling you” type thing.

 

[Webzcas]

Have I mentioned that the Earth is actually flat?.....

 

[justdoit]

Every time I lose they are rigged, when I win the best provider

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[Sasukdcf]

When I worked land based I could on a good day 7/10 hit a section of 7-8 numbers and a really good day I could often spin into 3-4 number sections and had even spun exact numbers....honestly this was however after 2 years of working 40h a week on roulette.

Hold on back in a sec, phones ringing, oh its a Stockholm area code....?.....?....?

Yeah but this is on a roulette wheel with diamonds to bounce off and pockets to bounce in and out....

so after hours of practice how hard would it be to be able to hit an area on a wheel that just spins depending how hard you pull it....

I would think with 10 minutes i could get enough muscle memory to hit a zone easily on something like monopoly, however that said I think there is something more to these games than a random wheel

 

[justdoit]

Yeah but this is on a roulette wheel with diamonds to bounce off and pockets to bounce in and out....

so after hours of practice how hard would it be to be able to hit an area on a wheel that just spins depending how hard you pull it....

I would think with 10 minutes i could get enough muscle memory to hit a zone easily on something like monopoly, however that said I think there is something more to these games than a random wheel

all time I call my last balance on Roulette i am not pro player I just spin my luck, and I get lucky many times

 

[Sasukdcf]

Yeah but this is on a roulette wheel with diamonds to bounce off and pockets to bounce in and out....

so after hours of practice how hard would it be to be able to hit an area on a wheel that just spins depending how hard you pull it....

I would think with 10 minutes i could get enough muscle memory to hit a zone easily on something like monopoly, however that said I think there is something more to these games than a random wheel

but you must be wearing tin hats if you think there could be anything amiss with the provider....





(not sure on this one )

 

[Lemon]

This thread feels like it’s nothing more than an “I’ve got a secret but I’m not telling you” type thing.

I think the 'ex-employee' angle is an attempt to create an air of legitimacy in what is simply a run-of-the-mill grievance from an embittered punter.

 

[trees]

players who play long time on evolution and many hours behind they know what is goin on.
who play just few games and leave they never know what is goin on.
if u play 1 number for example u will never hit it unless they let u win or it can take ages.
and when u cover example 35 numbers and leave two empty.
then u will find out how it is possible it is hitting the empty spot in few spins.
before u know your balance is wiped out!

 

[Mark_Lottomart]

players who play long time on evolution and many hours behind they know what is goin on.
who play just few games and leave they never know what is goin on.
if u play 1 number for example u will never hit it unless they let u win or it can take ages.
and when u cover example 35 numbers and leave two empty.
then u will find out how it is possible it is hitting the empty spot in few spins.
before u know your balance is wiped out!

Hey Trees, Great to see CM getting more environmentally friendly with some foliage.

Thanks for your input. It’s an interesting theory, I have a question on your last point though if that’s ok. It was mentioned earlier in the thread too.

If Evo know to pick one of the 2 numbers of the 37 you didn’t pick, how do they do the same for the 1000’s of people who are backing the others on the same spin? The live wheel is shared between 100’s of operators and the video broadcast is the same?

Have a lovely evening.
Mark

 

[TheAddict]

I thought I'd take a dump in this thread and add that I've had some seriously awful sessions on Evo's Dead or Alive that are uncomparable to any I can remember during the (probably) tens of million of spins I had done prior to the change over. Just leaving that here. not even wiping.

 

[goatwack]

The truth always comes out in the end

 

[satchnz]

The truth always comes out in the end

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Dude, whatever you are on, share! ?

 

[DonkeyEvo]

I must admit, I admire the integrity of the OP in quitting his job. I mean, if I was a software engineer in a senior position in a huge company which is rigging their games, surely I'd know how the rig works and be able to profit from it? I guess the prospect of a money tree didn't appeal?

I'll speak to our account manager at Evo, we've obviously not been kept in the loop of this scam and we keep getting players winning on their games. Perhaps they are the OP's ex-colleagues who know how the system works? Just our luck they'd play at Lottomart.

Correct, every fine aspect of it. That doesn't leave me with a money tree tho ?

If your manager at Evo is straight up with you he will tell you to gather more volume. Since from your post I can already tell your casino doesn't run enough volume to benefit. Ask one of the big guys.

 

[Webzcas]

Ok I am going to bite. There are several people who are members of the forum who would be in a position to corroborate any evidence you may have. Such as @neilw the Live Games Moderator, who has a lot of experience when it comes to live casino games online.

How about instead of stoking the flames as it were, you contact someone like Neil using the private message system and open up a dialogue with him.

As currently all that you are doing is alleging something with not one iota of proof.

By taking this path you also will not be contravening the forum rules which Bryan spelled out at the beginning of the thread.

 

[satchnz]

@DonkeyEvo

I asked you a fairly simply question at the start of this thread that you chose to ignore, so I’ll ask you again in the hope of getting an answer from you.

When you say the live games are “manipulated”, do you mean that they are controlled in order to hit their advertised RTPs and nothing more?

I’ve never laid a bet on Lighting Roulette, but I have spent a small amount of time watching a few live spins. To me it is obvious that the physics of the ball look a bit off, and all I can conclude is there are some magnets involved in order to hit a specific number calculated from all bets placed that round (or over several/many rounds). I would imagine they are doing this in order to maintain the advertised RTP without the possible larger swings that a set of truly random spins might deliver. If this is the case, then the game is delivering to its advertised specifications.

I’d never play such a controlled game like this as I’d prefer true random - slots deliver me all the controlled action I need…

 

[LoopsterAU]

The affecting live games part is new to me but with all the dodgy shit that happens with Evolution n countless video's showing it, it wouldn't surprise me.
I had a theory quite a few years ago which as time goes on and more n more money was lost which he has hinted towards.
The theory is we as players think we are learning how to beat the system while in reality it is the exact opposite, the system adapts to you and your style of play, the more you stick to a certain pattern the more it stays against it. Switching that pattern results in a short term reward making you think you learnt how to beat the system with your new "trick", little do people realize that the new "trick" then becomes the new thing the system adapts against.
Kept testing this theory with many good short term results and profits however as programmed to do the system made sure I always lost in the end.
Glad to say I walked away from testing any methods against this system 4 months ago and now enjoy keeping my money in my pocket.

 

[DonkeyEvo]

@DonkeyEvo

I asked you a fairly simply question at the start of this thread that you chose to ignore, so I’ll ask you again in the hope of getting an answer from you.

When you say the live games are “manipulated”, do you mean that they are controlled in order to hit their advertised RTPs and nothing more?

I’ve never laid a bet on Lighting Roulette, but I have spent a small amount of time watching a few live spins. To me it is obvious that the physics of the ball look a bit off, and all I can conclude is there are some magnets involved in order to hit a specific number calculated from all bets placed that round (or over several/many rounds). I would imagine they are doing this in order to maintain the advertised RTP without the possible larger swings that a set of truly random spins might deliver. If this is the case, then the game is delivering to its advertised specifications.

I’d never play such a controlled game like this as I’d prefer true random - slots deliver me all the controlled action I need…

In general, to simply explain this is not possible as the complete process is very complex.

However for most games all players are put into a container. This container then decides the games outcome based on many different factors.

 

[neilw]

In general, to simply explain this is not possible as the complete process is very complex.

However for most games all players are put into a container. This container then decides the games outcome based on many different factors.

What games are you talking about?

Can you talk us through one of the games, how it works and what has been done to it? - high level is fine.

 

[LoopsterAU]

In general, to simply explain this is not possible as the complete process is very complex.

However for most games all players are put into a container. This container then decides the games outcome based on many different factors.

I would say large stakes would put a player at a low priority of that container (unless they have lost ridiculous amounts and long term RTP needs to correct itself) but there's no doubt that live isnt really "live" but controlled by an RNG with the live portion being for show purposes.