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Taking Legal action against Evolution gaming

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Quickwin

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Hi everyone,

I have in the last 1 year played heavly on evolution gaming, crazy time, monopoly live, mega ball, etc.

I come cross solid evidence that these live games are not random, The data and the evidence I'm sitting on is solid enough to have a case.

Now I am asking if any other members would like to join me on this class action against EVO gaming.

I am willing to put some serious amount of funds for lawyers, around 6 figures USD to fight this scam company.

Btw, they say they claim they have Ecorga approval and MGA approval but I cannot seems to find any document that they actually have it.

On their site, bottom, they have the logo but it just direct to their site and not the actual approval linsence.
 
Quickwin said:
Btw, they say they claim they have Ecorga approval and MGA approval but I cannot seems to find any document that they actually have it.

On their site, bottom, they have the logo but it just direct to their site and not the actual approval linsence.
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I dunno; took me about a minute

evo.webp
 
Halvor said:
One year of collecting "evidence" and you can not manage to spend 5 minutes looking up the very valid licenses?

And feel free to share the evidence.
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I guarantee the evidence is that he has a gut feeling, he's lost a lot, a ball bounced a bit funny and a video feed dropped out because his computer is so loaded full of malware.

Same as these threads always are; people unable to admit they lost through their own volition blaming it instead on the machinations of a corrupt "scam" casino.

Yawn.
 
Wouldn't publicly sharing sensitive evidence jeopardize this case? One can't do that willy-nilly

And anyway, we should be commending someone for taking them on, in fact after reading the Evolution thread for what seems like 34 years I'll even foot the bill
 
I will not show any evidence here in case i Jeopardize the case.

some of the evidence is similiar to this :



As you can see in this video, the dealer switch the card (I believe they know what card is about to come so they switch the value.

to Noen claws, it dosent matter if i won large or lost large, this is very typical answers from the industry people. All everyone wants is to have a fair game, but whenever large money get involved always greed come to play from both side, you in other hand seems to back up a claim where you even dont have any clue what you are talking about.
 


The dealer fumbled the card, it happens.
Are you proposing that the casino told him to do that, on camera no less, presumably multiple times?
 
If we're to scrutinize Live dealers online versus actual land-based ones, the comparisons aren't even close.

Online aren't anything resembling competent, I'm not even sure they're trained by industry professionals!

Noticed that disparity from day 1. So really instead of thinking they're cheating or manipulating the shoe, I'm more inclined to say they're just rubbish dealers. And there's a helluva lot of them, without much in the way of Pit Bosses or others to keep them to a standard
 
goatwack said:
If we're to scrutinize Live dealers online versus actual land-based ones, the comparisons aren't even close.

Online aren't anything resembling competent, I'm not even sure they're trained by industry professionals!

Noticed that disparity from day 1. So really instead of thinking they're cheating or manipulating the shoe, I'm more inclined to say they're just rubbish dealers. And there's a helluva lot of them, without much in the way of Pit Bosses or others to keep them to a standard
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Agree!
I don't know about others, but in Evolution, there are three weeks in house roulette, blackjack, baccarat training provided plus they teach how to behave in front of a camera (always smile and talk any crap).
Since everything, there is almost automatic - the dealing skills can be learned in a few days.

The money they get is shit. But from another hand, there is zero stress in comparison to real casinos.
 
Guntis said:
but it obvious - the dealer knew exactly what he is doing!
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Disagree. Looks more like a nervous tic than an action that could be deliberately and consistently replicated, maybe if you had 2-3 examples of him doing the same move. And why on earth would they deliberately cheat in plain sight when on camera? Just hope people don't notice? No one would ever use that as a business model and if they were there'd be dozens of these videos.
 


To me all that shows is evidence of human error. The dealer appears to be distracted by trying to read the chat and is therefore dealing subconsciously. He’s not even looking at what he’s doing and you can see his finger make several attempts to swipe the card before accidentally flicking it up and swiping the card behind.

Dealing cards might seem like the easiest thing in the world, but they are required to also read the chat and interact with the players so it is understandable why these errors happen so often.
 
neon claws said:
Disagree. Looks more like a nervous tic than an action that could be deliberately and consistently replicated, maybe if you had 2-3 examples of him doing the same move. And why on earth would they deliberately cheat in plain sight when on camera? Just hope people don't notice? No one would ever use that as a business model and if they were there'd be dozens of these videos.
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Nervous tic? Lol, maybe too! :D But I think every sensible person should be for 100% responsible for their actions, and these nervous tics avoided. Especially at such professions.
 
goatwack said:
If we're to scrutinize Live dealers online versus actual land-based ones, the comparisons aren't even close.

Online aren't anything resembling competent, I'm not even sure they're trained by industry professionals!

Noticed that disparity from day 1. So really instead of thinking they're cheating or manipulating the shoe, I'm more inclined to say they're just rubbish dealers. And there's a helluva lot of them, without much in the way of Pit Bosses or others to keep them to a standard
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Really agree on this one.

If you take a quick search and read some Facebook groups etc... You can see that live dealers with different languages are wanted all the time. No experience needed, training provided, know few peeps who have done that (not very long, shitty pay and many don't enjoy to in live camera non stop) and based on these things, i find it really hard to believe that majority of live dealers would even near capable to make these kind or tricks like in that video, you anyway have to do it front of watching eyes and would need bit more than week or two training where you possibly learn rules and payouts of BJ.
 
Most of the live dealers are students at university. Some go on to make long term careers at the live casino provider or move around between providers.

Full training is given, but as @gotwack said, they can't be compared with land-based dealers. the two are completely different jobs.

The live casino dealers are presenters and it's not as easy as it looks. I know, I've tried several times while visiting the studios.



They have to act in a particular way, make very precise movements and place the cards in a certain way or spin the wheel within certain parameters, etc while chatting. the more experienced dealers do it effortlessly while the newbies are quite deliberate with their actions to make sure they limit mistakes. Fair play to them all, especially when they can't the players and only have a tv screen in front of them giving them instructions on what to do next. Mistakes are a key KPI and they can miss their bonus payments if they make too many mistakes.

As for the video of the cheating dealer, I've covered it in this article - All is not what it seemed.

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The dealer was sacked when he refused to say what and why he did what he did.

I had my doubts about the guy in the video and it looks like i was right. This video explains what happened to him.

 
I'm happy our @neilw is a webmaster, affiliate guru, moderator and all that jazz instead of a "presenter" ;)
 
Oh i know exactly what this evidence is all about. The wheel, stopping, the braking, all that obvious stuff. Let me tell you this: it's allowed. It's part of the electronic RTP to ensure live games like crazy time do make a profit and not a loss on the casino floor.

Simular as a automatic / electronic roulette. We know it buzzes when you bet big and the ball is'nt supposed to land on there (By rtp rules). They get away with it because it's a licensed, RTP based thing. Simular as a slot. Crazy time needs alot of losses from players in order to throw out the 100x multipliers.

There is not one single casino in the world that runs games that make a general loss.
 
I have also played heavily and lost quite a bit at EVOLUTION mostly at live Baccarat. However, most of the time I lose on pure stubborness ie sticking with player/banker based on my hunches eg if there are 7 bankers in a row the feeling is the next one must be player.

That said, I did experience a couple of hitches eg. I placed $50 on the winning side but was not paid the win and only got my bet back. I contacted casino support and a few days later they returned my winnings. The system aint perfect but I do feel they play a fair game but then I already lost 1.2K today already. Sigh

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Oh i know exactly what this evidence is all about. The wheel, stopping, the braking, all that obvious stuff. Let me tell you this: it's allowed. It's part of the electronic RTP to ensure live games like crazy time do make a profit and not a loss on the casino floor.

Simular as a automatic / electronic roulette. We know it buzzes when you bet big and the ball is'nt supposed to land on there (By rtp rules). They get away with it because it's a licensed, RTP based thing. Simular as a slot. Crazy time needs alot of losses from players in order to throw out the 100x multipliers.

There is not one single casino in the world that runs games that make a general loss.
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I think the problem is that the visual representation of a wheel with equally-sized segments makes it appear as if every one has an equal chance, when it sounds like that may not be the case. That's not a dig at this game, virtually all slots do it, and it's misleading. I actually like how the
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Reckless Bets said:
I think the problem is that the visual representation of a wheel with equally-sized segments makes it appear as if every one has an equal chance, when it sounds like that may not be the case. That's not a dig at this game, virtually all slots do it, and it's misleading. I actually like how the
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They just done a terrible job of 'hiding' it sort of say. In legal ways, it's allowed. The machine got proberly tested with it's RTP just as simular as lightning roulette or in landbased, automatic (machine) roulette.

Like your not forced to play those games either.
 
I really don’t get it.

every - EVERY - casino game has a house edge. Roulette has 37 selections and it pays 35/1 - why would someone risk their whole license (if you’re playing at a legit place) for a few quid during a spin when they do about 1440 spins A DAY
 
Games like lightning roulette or crazytime are games that brings the worst greedy people ever on this planet out there. Like it never came up that there's no such thing as free money in playing in a casino, certainly not when doing live games.

For big wins to hit, you gotta have alot of losses in order to compensate for that. Why do you think games like dead or alive are so volatile. 99 out of 100 times they can pay shit. But there's one instance where it actually does pay. The question is if your lucky enough to hit that one game and still get out ahead.
 
I've been playing quite a lot of these Evolution live games the last couple of weeks - BIG mistake! :mad:
Been on Monopoly, Megaballs & Crazy Time. Wasted several £1,000s - literally.

They are seriously addictive because you know they CAN give big payouts... but as someone said above, they are actually very high variance and the chances of actually landing a biggie are very remote. In the meantime, it's just death by a thousand cuts...

Crazy Time is a good example: the chances of getting one of the four bonuses on any spin is 1 in 6 - but numerous times I have poured money down the drain for 20, 30 even 40 spins with no hits. Then when it does hit you are lucky if you get more than 20 x your bet on that ONE bonus which is scant consolation for your lost bets on 4 different bonuses for dozens of spins... :(

Don't get me wrong - I believe the games ARE random (the stats back this up), but they are just evil addict attractors.
My advice is: Unless you have money to literally throw away - NEVER play these games.

KK
 
I think the biggest win for Evolution (and loss for the player is that when they win on CT, the players forget/ do not realize they also bet on the other bonusess, which ofcourse cant hit at the same time
 
Peoples' perception of these games and their expectations for winning when playing are skewed by all the Youtube videos and streamers advertising ridiculous wins. Slot streaming is becoming an insidious side-economy that ought to be stamped down on. What started out as people posting big wins innocuously so others could share the moment has turned into a tool for parasites and middle-men to hoodwink people and line their own pockets.

What exacerbates the problem is when slot studios actively target streamers to include their new games in their next videos. You cannot tell me this doesn't happen. I just think it's plain wrong. These Evolution live games are no different to Megaways games when you strip the glitter and lights away; the person who goes to the beach and picks the right grain of sand is happy, everyone else feels conned because of the aforementioned. The 'Roll Up! Roll Up!' showman aspect of it just reinforces the illusion.
 
I have same experience. Evolution Gaming is a big time rigger. They are doing this openly and I am shocked to see that they are not afraid of regulators. The unnatural movement of wheel in crazy time, the manipulation of multipliers on mega Ball by sensing the bets made by the players. All these are clear evidences that these games are rigged and surprisingly they are all going unnoticed!

Considering international players are participating in these games, the European countries should be mindful of such acts and take immediate cognizance for a fair resolution. Otherwise the consequences on these Europeans countries will be bigger considering the direct finger pointing is on the governance system which is a pre-requisite for any type of relationship or deals.
 
Can't see Evolution Gaming, the giant of Live Casino, owner of BTG, Netent, Red Tiger etc, etc rigging a thing.

Why would they jeopardise the hold they have on the market?

They are in a fantastic position. Live Casino is exploding. The games themselves do the work and make money - end of.

Risking all for the sake of making a few percent more than what they already make would be monumentally stupid.

Not saying for one minute the industry is as good as it portrays but it just doesn't add up that a company with the market share they have would rig the games.
 
Evolution gaming would be the dumbest provider ever to rig anything. They earn more than enough without cheating. If you would have won 20k from 100 euro deposit or something playing roulette or blackjack whatever you wouldn't complain. Don't play evolution then. I know I don't because I moved on to the other moneyburner named slots..

I myself lost a few k in the last two months. If you can't take the loss just take a break. Evolution doesn't care about your few k's losses claiming they are rigged.
 
l know i’ve said on here many times certain games feel
rigged but i do genuinely believe evo are corrupt to the hilt. i have been getting bonuses lately from will hill for
monopoly and the new evolution money drop game and also have watched the games without playing for a while. there are also thousands of videos out there showing how dodgy that wheel is and flapper. one incident i witnessed on money drop was the flapper stop at x2500 completely stops and then about 3 seconds after stopping it ticked back to the lower number next to x2500 the chat was going ballistic!! also i’ve been on money drop when
the x2500 has actually landed a few
times in a row but there were only
101 people
playing and it was mega early morning too. also notice things on monopoly as well the 4 rolls and 2 rolls are rare if there are a lot of people playing it will just collect. but i seriously have seen some of the most bizarre things with those flappers that i can’t come
to any other conclusion than the wheel games are rigged for sure. i wonder if anybody has took
evo to court and won? or
if it was thrown out before court and settled. and also the games being in latvia which is no mans land when it
concerns rules and regs.
 
That's the beauty! These facts that you have highlighted makes it less evident for them to rig the games and they know it as well. But, I have seen it from my own eyes and experienced it over last 4 months where I lost $60k plus. They are B2B operators and they are part of the bigger Nexus they are running with live casino operators and this has to be busted. I also feel they are providing ways for live casino operators to manipulate the odds as they feel to choose. This is not difficult in the technological space that we are operating today.

I know there are many of their agents operating in social media network to trap people and promote their rigged games. I am just hoping you are not one of them. I am so convinced about these rigged games and I just want to warn ppl abt it. There are some logical questions which needs answers? why the top slots and multipliers are operated through digital wheels? But running mechanical wheels also don't assure anything considering they are remotely operated with mechanical breaks which can be operated through sensors. The biggest of questions, how such illegitimate acts are going on in the name of being regulated and their equipments being tested. This questions the regulation mechanism and its people as well of their role in this Nexus. It's a multi-billion dollar industry afterall.

Friend, pls answer the questions I have put forward in a logical and unbiased matter. Just Protecting such crooks will not help as the acts are real and visible.l to everyone.
 
Hey I'm one of their agents operating in social media to trap people and promote their rigged games. Can't believe you've finally foiled our operation, if this ever gets out I'll be ruined...

Cease your investigations and I'll reimburse you your paltry $60,000.
 
LuckyMe2021 said:
Friend, pls answer the questions I have put forward in a logical and unbiased matter
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I thought I had :) To me, logic says Evo don't rig because they don't need to.

And no, I can honestly say I am not a victim of social media trapping, I can't remember the last time I logged into fakebook.

My judgement is based purely on logical conclusions. No inside info, no extensive experience. Just a hunch.

Admittedly, having a strong market position has not stopped companies before from doing dodgy stuff, I just can't see it when the games are designed to make money anyway.

p.s. If the acts are that real and visible, I think there would be more evidence than vague assumptions and speculation. Show some evidence, this is probably the best place for it. Casinomeister would literally go crazy if something concrete was presented.
 
neon claws said:
Hey I'm one of their agents operating in social media to trap people and promote their rigged games. Can't believe you've finally foiled our operation, if this ever gets out I'll be ruined...

Cease your investigations and I'll reimburse you your paltry $60,000.
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how is £60k paltry? you are such a arrogant tosser i can’t stand you on here
 
The thing that gets me about these threads is that it'd be more difficult to rig these games than it would be to just let random chance do its thing and make money that way. Every single Evo game has clearly stated RTPs in the rules, and they are all under 100% (usually around 94-96%), so whichever way you place a bet, cover certain things or don't, bet more on certain results etc it ultimately makes no difference, because statistically, over time, every single bet will lose you money and will make Evo money.

That said there are definitely elements of the games that be controlled, such as on Crazy Time where the Pachinko game can be engineered to give a high pay with the position of the light that the presenter drops the ball into. If you understand the very high chance that the ball has of finishing directly below where it started, it's easy to see how a high paying Pachinko round can be created, or the opposite.

I go into some detail on this in a video.

 
neon claws said:
Hey I'm one of their agents operating in social media to trap people and promote their rigged games. Can't believe you've finally foiled our operation, if this ever gets out I'll be ruined...

Cease your investigations and I'll reimburse you your paltry $60,000.
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How can you reimburse the money? And don't get angry. I am pissed about the operation of evo games. I am strongly convinced they are rigged and operate based on the bets being placed. My history from Jul 2021 to Sep 2021 at lottoland.asia will reveal everything. Their host Dita (the taller and slimer host) admitted of the forgery when I tricked her with a different username and made her admit that I was tricked. If you are not an agent then accept this fact man they are crooks.
 

Haha..RTP :) This term is used as a gimmick to lure players and buy-in into the genuinety of these games but the fact is that it has no impact when you are playing at any given point of time. The financials of these gaming and online casinos speaks it all that they are winners. As I said earlier they will go to any extent to win. Rigging is just one means.
 
The Latvian point made is very valid. This country has a history of corruption. No wonder why these games are being operated from Latvia. This country is so small and one of the poorest countries in the east europe. This helps in every way to rig these games and get uncaught by the authorities. I am still pondering why no one is taking notice of this international crime! They are doing it live and openly.
 
LuckyMe2021 said:
The Latvian point made is very valid. This country has a history of corruption. No wonder why these games are being operated from Latvia. This country is so small and one of the poorest countries in the east europe. This helps in every way to rig these games and get uncaught by the authorities. I am still pondering why no one is taking notice of this international crime! They are doing it live and openly.
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They run from there because it’s cheaper to run a 24/7 operation from there than anywhere else.

No great conspiracy.

And on 2500x wins only appearing early in the morning? These games are available across most of the world. It’s always early in the morning somewhere that they’re being played.
 
Good that this topic is still open. You're not the only person who have doubts about Evolution Gaming's fairness. The internet is full of complaints. The truth is that they can manipulate every single game they provide. They use a combo of RFID embedded cards and bots in their blackjack games enabling to know and control the cards coming and who gets them. They use a magnetic routlette ball to control / prevent outcomes during spins. Their wheel spinning games all have a brake systems that allows them to pick where the flapper stops on games like monopoly or crazy time. Even their dice games are rigged and make clever use of pre-recorded outcomes. The only way to find out because these rigged systems, is by playing it for many hours, days, weeks, years. And this is not the best forum to open a topic like this. People will defend it while having no clue.

The dealer in the video knew which cards were in the deck. I don't believe that's the case with Evolution Gaming. The dealers know nothing about the fraud at all. The system do everything. I experienced the bots in the game alot when i was playing on numerous casino's. Specially with big bets they will make you lose so you have to deposit again and again.

I can deal with the fact that a casino can determines the RPT of a slot machine. And I can deal with the fact that certain blackjack and other table games are unfair. But don't mess with live casino with real dealers! People have lost their savings because they thought they could win. But the game is anything but fair.

The only reason they have so much revenue and were able to take over these other providers is because they are the best at misleading people.
 
Pls keep observing the eye movements of the Latvian hosts. Just before the game is about to start they will peak on the left side of their front screen. I wonder why they do that. All the time they reply to chats by looking straight or to the right. Their front screen seems to act like some sort of message sender. I am not denying there are times when the games do show up with high multipliers but the question really is if this is a game of chance then why can't it happen again and again but it doesn't. This all leads upto the same thing that these all are controlled which also means it can be manipulated. I am writing these msgs to help innocent ppl who can become victims of such scamsters. If you want to get entertained there are free alternatives like candy crush which is feel is the best value for money unlike these games which cannot be trusted.
 
Rogier said:
Good that this topic is still open. You're not the only person who have doubts about Evolution Gaming's fairness. The internet is full of complaints. The truth is that they can manipulate every single game they provide. They use a combo of RFID embedded cards and bots in their blackjack games enabling to know and control the cards coming and who gets them. They use a magnetic routlette ball to control / prevent outcomes during spins. Their wheel spinning games all have a brake systems that allows them to pick where the flapper stops on games like monopoly or crazy time. Even their dice games are rigged and make clever use of pre-recorded outcomes. The only way to find out because these rigged systems, is by playing it for many hours, days, weeks, years. And this is not the best forum to open a topic like this. People will defend it while having no clue.
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Really?? This forum is 23 years old and has exposed its share of scams and unethical behavior, but you sign up today and know it all.

Where are the disgruntled employees who spill the beans? Show us the evidence that back up your claims.
 
I really appreciate your thoughts and feelings and I can't agree more except for the opinion you shared about hosts or dealers. I feel they are equal partners in crime. They know these games are rigged but they act like they don't. Pls search for Australian crown casino videos on its debacle on youtube. This is a very good example to take lesson from. They operated in china illegally and the hosts or dealers who operated acted like they were doing a normal job but they were partner in crime. They except sympathy but I would say they are equal partners in crime.
 


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