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Announcement Fake NetEnt Southpark/Aliens slots at 21Bet

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Right, we know that these games aren't available in the UK any more.

Can Netent or anyone else confirm that the games are gone permanently or are still there legitimately for any jurisdictions outside the UK?


aliens.webp


South Park also appears on this site.

Cheers D
 
Yes, thanks all of you, you confirmed my suspicions and managed to take a look from other jurisdictions for me. Brilliant.

It seems Bryan has some more typing to do....:laugh::laugh:

21bet.com - FAKE SLOTS!
 
paul7388 said:
If you access the site from UK tho there is no sign of those slots anywhere. Well wasn't for me i tried finding them.
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I accessed from the UK to take that incriminating image!
 
Gonna go through a few slots now, Jack is confirmed fake aswell so it might be the entire NetEnt section, who knows.

e: Fruit Shop Christmas Edition + Dracula (HTML5s) are faked aswell so im going to assume the whole thing is bull.... at this point.
 
dunover said:
I accessed from the UK to take that incriminating image!
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I thought you would have.

But when i try and access the site i get totally different looking page with no sign of those games and in trying a search of all games they appear nowhere for me.

Okay tried again. 21Bet uk site i had accessed first with UK licence and it is totally different from the Non Uk site as those games do appear on that one.
 
paul7388 said:
But work this one out lol.

Both Uk and non UK site have same 21Bet Logo.

Both sponsor Waterford FC.

But UK site even tho it is called 21Bet has this in their terms. We operate using the 21Bet brand and trademarks pursuant to an agreement with 21Bet. This website is not operated by 21Bet.
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Sounds like an unofficial white label.
 
Regarding 21bet.co.uk - tested them earlier this week and all games on the co.uk site are running valid RNGs and everything is legit. Made a £2k cashout on a minimal deposit, all processed within 24 hours without any fuss.

Just like Freaky Vegas (same group license) the co.uk and .com are run seperately so best not to drag in the FSB brand to the counterfiet debate.

Taking a look at the 21bet.com site - has anyone got an account there or tried to set-up an account to see if the real-play games still run the rogue domain?
 
they are the same company, legitimate or not in the uk I would suggest anyone should avoid them as they are happy to have pirate games listed

Hello and welcome to 21Bet live chat. My name is Mark, how can I help you?

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19:58
I was looking at joining but wanted to clarify something first please. Are you associated with 21bet.com

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Please note that 21bet.com website is not available for UK customers. You can find our Bonuses and promotions following this link Outdated URL (Invalid)

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I am aware of that, but are you the same company?

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As a customer support agent, I can not provide you with more info about this. You can contact our Senior team via this email [email protected] and they will help you with this question.

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well i opened chat over there and it was mark with the same logo who appeared and you have just gave me the .com email address, so I think its pretty obvious you are. So my next question was going to be, are the games on the .co.uk site legitimate or are they pirate ones the same as the ones on the .com site?

Still waiting for a reply to that :)
 
I really don't know what are you talking about. All or games on the UK site are legitimate.
The Sportsbook and Casino platform are provided by FSB Technology (UK) Ltd which is fully licensed and regulated by the Gambling Commision, there are more sites which work with this platform.

You can see all about our licence status on the homepage on the website when you scroll down to the bottom of the page.

Notice the total avoidance of the question :lolup::lolup:
 
Nicola said:
Regarding 21bet.co.uk - tested them earlier this week and all games on the co.uk site are running valid RNGs and everything is legit. Made a £2k cashout on a minimal deposit, all processed within 24 hours without any fuss.

Just like Freaky Vegas (same group license) the co.uk and .com are run seperately so best not to drag in the FSB brand to the counterfiet debate.

Taking a look at the 21bet.com site - has anyone got an account there or tried to set-up an account to see if the real-play games still run the rogue domain?
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Yes, they have and I'm in communication with the person, hence the OP.
As for FSB, you cannot surely be suggesting that presenting a site with .co.uk that's adhering to UKGC rules and using the same name to run a separate rogue operation for the rest of Europe is acceptable, whomever the registered owners are?

That's like supporting or promoting the 'legit' bcasino while decrying the scum oceanbets. Mind you, there are some that would do that.

As for FreakyVegas it's become apparent that the whole aff programme for the UK affs was a complete scam and piss-take from day one.
 
colinsunderland said:
I really don't know what are you talking about. All or games on the UK site are legitimate.
The Sportsbook and Casino platform are provided by FSB Technology (UK) Ltd which is fully licensed and regulated by the Gambling Commision, there are more sites which work with this platform.

You can see all about our licence status on the homepage on the website when you scroll down to the bottom of the page.

Notice the total avoidance of the question :lolup::lolup:
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Yep. Exactly the same shit that you'd get from bcasino the 'legit' branch of the fraudsters who run oceanbets et al.

P.S. I am going to remove ALL FSB sites from my sites and pages. Right now. I can no longer trust either their casinos or aff programmes.
 
Nicola said:
Regarding 21bet.co.uk - tested them earlier this week and all games on the co.uk site are running valid RNGs and everything is legit. Made a £2k cashout on a minimal deposit, all processed within 24 hours without any fuss.

Just like Freaky Vegas (same group license) the co.uk and .com are run seperately so best not to drag in the FSB brand to the counterfiet debate.

Taking a look at the 21bet.com site - has anyone got an account there or tried to set-up an account to see if the real-play games still run the rogue domain?
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You do know they have scammed affiliates?

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Right, I've removed them bar Mintbet and Quinnbet who only take UK/Ireland players and as far as I know don't have a separate .com operation. If anyone knows different from an EU IP let me know and they're going too.
 
The rogue domain slotomatic.net is very complex. It hosts hundreds of NetEnt titles, HTML5 Novomatic slots and has a random number generator connected on a seperate IP range.

The server has been running since 2012 in the United States and last year took on CloudFlare technologies which I have never seen on a legit game server. They have also chosen recently to hide their identity on both IP and WHOIS results. Back in 2012 it was registered to a individual at a residential street address.

Despite extensive lookups, probing and IP checks the UK site is completly different than the .com which is managed by a LTD company with a Curaco license. The post above saying the chat agent is the same of course raises concerns.

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Where is this supposed to be going? We know there are bent servers and games that supply several equally bent sites; here the issue is denial of association. You get the 'respectable' face of the business which to all intents and purposes provides, up to a point, superficial provenance and the main feeder business outside the reach of any recognized and effective authority. Think the Mafia's showcase restaurant with top chefs and a great location, and then of the numerous back street scam shops and broken legs that enabled it. :thumbsup:

Now you know how it appeared, would you eat there?
 
Nicola said:
AskGamblers relationship was terminated in 2015, which was 30 months before the UK site launched.
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Which proves there is no association .com and .co.uk how?
 
goatwack said:
Why are Netent themself not suing the pants off sites hosting pirated games under their name? :confused:
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Try suing a front company, shills and bogus mail drop addresses. :thumbsup:
 
dunover said:
Which proves there is no association .com and .co.uk how?
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Well I've e-mailed the CEO, affiliate manager and admin of the gaming platform to reply to this thread. It's up to them to explain the connections and why games are running from that server.

If they refuse to answer the important questions like Freaky Vegas did on the other thread, then no doubt Bryan will bring out the rogue hammer again.
 
Nicola said:
Well I've e-mailed the CEO, affiliate manager and admin of the gaming platform to reply to this thread. It's up to them to explain the connections and why games are running from that server.

If they refuse to answer the important questions like Freaky Vegas did on the other thread, then no doubt Bryan will bring out the rogue hammer again.
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Well good luck with the e-mails, as I'm really sure a group of scammers hosting bent slots will be open and honest with you. That much is already beyond doubt. Perhaps you'd be better off reporting this fact to your mates at the MGA as the .com site claims to be licensed there too.

As for here, Bryan would check this out and assess the answers himself before acting rather than take the word of third parties like us.

But ultimately there has to be some kind of action. Fake slots are inexcusable.
 
Nicola said:
Well I've e-mailed the CEO, affiliate manager and admin of the gaming platform to reply to this thread. It's up to them to explain the connections and why games are running from that server.

If they refuse to answer the important questions like Freaky Vegas did on the other thread, then no doubt Bryan will bring out the rogue hammer again.
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Support on the UK site gave the .com email address to use, and the same agent was on both the UK and .com site. The games are pirate on the .com site, thats a fact. Don't see what anyone from the company can say to explain any of those facts.
They are dodgy as anything and people should avoid them.
 
dunover said:
Perhaps you'd be better off reporting this fact to your mates at the MGA as the .com site claims to be licensed there too.
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I have no "friends" at the MGA and thats the very reason I left Malta for the UK after two of my work colleagues were murdered due to the corruption in this industry at that time in the country.

But ultimately there has to be some kind of action. Fake slots are inexcusable.
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Absolutely and thats why I spend 6-12 hours a week searching for fake gaming servers and reporting them to the developers. No excuses on this one :)
 
Nicola said:
I have no "friends" at the MGA and thats the very reason I left Malta for the UK after two of my work colleagues were murdered due to the corruption in this industry at that time in the country.



Absolutely and thats why I spend 6-12 hours a week searching for fake gaming servers and reporting them to the developers. No excuses on this one :)
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Where? In Malta? Can only find that journalist's case in recent times, but did find this, just the sort of aff manager you want, even AffEdge would be proud of him!

Wondering where your Betsson whales went?
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Easy mistake to make but the askgamblers thread seems to be about 21Bets.com which is a different site.

I brought this to dunovers attention a while back after finding what I thought was irregular novomatic games.

Yesterday when I noticed old DOA with # as currency and 45# max bet, Aliens and South Park, I brought it up again.
Happy to see something being done.
 
4048 said:
Easy mistake to make but the askgamblers thread seems to be about 21Bets.com which is a different site.

I brought this to dunovers attention a while back after finding what I thought was irregular novomatic games.

Yesterday when I noticed old DOA with # as currency and 45# max bet, Aliens and South Park, I brought it up again.
Happy to see something being done.
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Yes - it's beyond reasonable doubt that the two sites are inextricably linked, sharing the same e-mail addresses etc. if not the license for .co.uk (playing by the book) and the .com sites, as Colin has confirmed. The .com version is RAF (Rogue as F***) and supplies bent slots as indeed you pointed out correctly.
 
dunover said:
Where? In Malta? Can only find that journalist's case in recent times, but did find this, just the sort of aff manager you want, even AffEdge would be proud of him!

Wondering where your Betsson whales went?
You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.
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That mucker was my affiliate manager. Is it coincidence that my BIG players also disappeared during this period?

Nate
 
Ok - I've contacted the MGA and NetEnt to see if we can get some direct conformation of this issue.

If this is confirmed - which seems very likely - we'll be Blacklisting both 21Bet sites.

With regard to FSB Technologies - I don't see grounds to extend this issue to their other brands. FSB are a white label platform. 21Bet.co.uk are a white label running on this platform. 21Bet.com, whether owned directly by the same people (which would seem likely) or simply franchising out the brand so someone else to run outside of the UK are - if this proves to be true - working with people engaged in defrauding players. As FSB haven't provided these games themselves and there's no indication that they have any ownership control or decision making powers over the 21Bet.com brand, there doesn't appear to be much is the way of culpability on their part.

What does not help FSB's cause right now is that is two of their clients in short succession with very serious issues.

TP
 
Tengil said:
And people still think that a license from the banana republic called Malta has any weight/significance? The dirt that this so called regulator (money collector) has on its hands is so massive that you would have to hire quite a few novelists to write it down.
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Compared to curacao, a maltese license is gold.

21Bet however, has a MGA license for sportsbetting, and a license worth less than the dirt under your shoes for their games.

I have history, and a vengeance, with 21Bet and will with a good conscience give dirt on them if asked,
 
4048 said:
Compared to curacao, a maltese license is gold.

21Bet however, has a MGA license for sportsbetting, and a license worth less than the dirt under your shoes for their games.

I have history, and a vengeance, with 21Bet and will with a good conscience give dirt on them if asked,
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Tengil said:
And people still think that a license from the banana republic called Malta has any weight/significance? The dirt that this so called regulator (money collector) has on its hands is so massive that you would have to hire quite a few novelists to write it down.
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That is the problem with many casinos. I said it a few times that the MGA logo is very often misleading as it does not mean that the entire site runs under the MGA license. A single item from the entire casino/sportsbook running under the MGA allows an operator to display the trust-building MGA logo and the rest can all be under whatever they like, can be Curacao, Costa Rica or anything else.

Most players will see the MGA logo and think....."oh, I'm safe to sign up".....and when it comes to a complaint they find out that their gaming didn't fall under the MGA license. Very misleading, to say the least.

I was reviewing a casino just two weeks ago and they had 2 games, in clear words TWO, from one provider on their entire site which were running under an MGA license and the whole rest of over 2,000 games and sports were all under Curacao apparently. Upon researching in more detail, they didn't even have the Curacao license. But the MGA logo was shining bright and big on the bottom of the site. In essence, that site was running with no license at all but misled the players with the MGA logo. Only when I highlighted the issue, did they hastily remove the MGA logo. :rolleyes:

Now, which potential new player investigates a casino as thoroughly as I do because I take my duty to write a truthful review serious? The aff, I wrote the review for, blacklisted them but as usual, the outfit scores 8 stars on AG, a complete disgrace. :(
 
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