If you wanted to blackmail the public to try and change the outcome of the referendum, your 1st paragraph is exactly how you would do it, create a panic. Why are Honda leaving, do they seriously think europe esp germany's car makers wants a trade war with tariffs on their cars? Of course they don't, in which case Honda's trading position would remain unchanged. Do you see a lot of french and german' people driving hondas btw? - no they buy renault, peugeot etc..
But nothing I've said isn't true. Yes Honda leaving is guaranteed not to be because we are leaving the EU, but it certainly won't have helped, and it could have been the final straw that pushed them to go.
If you had an agreement which set out figures so people knew how better/worse off they'd be, the information would be out of date in 6 months as trading conditions changed and markets fluctuated.
I didn't mean figures like that, I meant things like, we won't have to pay the EU £9 billion a year (even though that figure is higher than real, it seems to be the closest net figure available) but we will put £2 billion of the savings into the NHS and £0.5 billions into the education services. Obviously no one could predict how much a packet of crisps would cost at the time of the vote, but some solid figures from the government would have gone a long way. That bus I mentioned had plastered all over it how we give the EU £350 million a week. We don't. Its £250 million. Whats 100 mill between friends though, its only £5.2 billion a year the leave campaign suggested we would save more than we would.
We will have more money to spend on the NHS, its common sense as we won't be paying in billions to the EU annually and will have less eu citizens living here to medically treat.
How? Are you suggesting all EU citizens are booted out the country if we leave? That won't ever happen, and just look at Norway, has a worse immigration problem than us, yet aren't in the EU. They do however want to trade with the EU, so have no choice in the matter.
All those things you've mentioned built with eu money, have come from our pockets in the first place, whatever we've had back in grants is far less than we paid in over the years.
You are only looking at headlines though, I'll use Nissan as an example as I know it better. Nissan are ONLY here because we are in the EU. That is a fact. They have been here for around 30 years. They employ around 7000 employees. Salaries are good, averaging over £20k with plenty of overtime. The add on jobs in the supply chain total another 20k or so. If you take just 20k employees earning and average of 20k a year you are talking a £400 million increase in money coming into the local area. That isn't included in the money coming in from the EU, but it is solely because we are there that we get it. Thats about £12 billion over the 30 years. I imagine there are plenty of other firms in the same position. If Nissan leave, which is a distinct possibility, while it won't be on April the 1st, I would be surprised if there is a plant here in 2025. Thats a hell of a lot of money to lose in a few years. Where will those 27000 highly paid jobs come from?
Can't you see how vindictive the EU is behaving, why would you want to be part of a union which requires us to take orders from these unelected people? all for the sake of the higher cost of porsches and things like fish fingers? Isn't the united kingdom's sovereignty and democracy worth more than these trivial concerns?
Yes of course I can, and its another problem I have with it all. They have us over a barel because our politicians had no plan and no clue what to do. The EU council know exactly what we have promised to do, and by when, so our chance of negotiating anything half decent is zero. Other countries can see the weakness too and while happy to trade with us, as long as we relax our (for example) food safety.
I haven't said I don't think leave is a bad idea, I think its a bad idea in our current position, and in no way think it should have been put to the vote for stupid/uneducated people to have a say (get rid of all the p*kis is NOT a reason to leave, yet something I heard more than once), and not for anyone, however educated they are to vote when they didn't have a clue what the outcome would be.
We can't do better deals on our own, that has been proven, so by default, it means we will get worse deals. Japan refused to give the UK the same deal as the EU just the other week. Don't know how anyone didn't see that coming. A billion potential customers vs 60 million. Who do you think will get the better deal?
Someone posted this on another forum as an analogy to a second vote, I see the logic
If I tell you, I hate salad, so go get me different meals.
Months+? go by and the best you could get for me is, Octopus on toast with a slug marinade.
Why would it be wrong to ask an: "Are you happy for me to go ahead with this, given this is the best I could get" question.
In any other aspect, one would be happy for a "are you sure, now you know more" follow up question to take place.
Even in personal home life, one would ask the same.
I feel it would be a pretty easy "sell" if explained correctly why a "are you sure" question to the public could be regarded as the right thing to do.
I also didn't say 'leavers' were the stupid ones either, guilty conscience?
