New Slot Announcement Primal by Blueprint - 7776x multiplier in FS!

[dunover]

Yes, this latest incarnation of Megaways will have @ChopleyIOM foaming at the mouth with possible wins of millions x bet yet with a cap of 50,000x bet OR 250k, whichever is reached first.

Sorry for the long video, but this game is mad. I have in fact noticed two wilds on some reels which means the theoretical potential of some free games on 6-scatter triggers could be in excess of 100million x bet. Buuuuuulshit!!!!

EDIT - there can only be 1 wild multiplier each reel in FS so that figure above is wrong, but you can definitely get 50x bet x 7776 = 388,800 x bet for every ONE Mammoth on reel 1 with 5@6x multipliers. So if it were possible to get the full stack of 6 on reel 1, than that's 2,332,800x bet for that combo. You can get at least 3 Mammoth on reel 1 in the base game.

 

[Betreels Casino & Sports]

Why make a game that can pay millions and then cap the max win to 50,000x / 250k...

 

[dunover]

Why make a game that can pay millions and then cap the max win to 50,000x / 250k...

Exactly. It's bollocks.

 

[lotusch]

Why make a game that can pay millions and then cap the max win to 50,000x / 250k...

Exactly my thought.
Blueprint has lost the plot all together.

 

[Betreels Casino & Sports]

Technically (and probably legally) speaking, they need to cap the max bet to £5 (and currency equivalent) if the most you can win is 50,000x.

 

[dunover]

Technically (and probably legally) speaking, they need to cap the max bet to £5 (and currency equivalent) if the most you can win is 50,000x.

I'm not sure there's any rules requesting them to do so, but it would certainly be fair.

Blueprint Gaming are German by the way, so when Volkswagen booted the people responsible for their false emissions and fuel economy software I reckon I know where they went to be re-employed.....

 

[Betreels Casino & Sports]

Lol!

 

[goatwack]

Sorry but this is deception 101, how can something purport to pay out millions of times stake, luring players in on that premise, and yet be capped at 50Kx?? We joke about it but how is this bollocks even legal?

The industry's fast becoming a joke and a parody of itself, and I don't find it funny how companies are at 'piss-take' levels with their claims

 

[steveh35]

Primal-evil or Primal Scream after you have played it.

 

[TheresNoDInBonanza]

@dunover regarding your question as to whether or not you can get two 6x's on the same reel for 6x to the power of 7: the hint is in the pre feature screen you saw (2x or 3x up to 243x). So no it's not possible or it only pays as one 6x.

As to a game like this having a built in max pay (as opposed to per casino) far exceeding the games expected potential I fully agree with you it is scummy behaviour.

 

[thr0b]

All very messy; disappointing, as Blueprint's Megaways slots are often vastly more fun than the BTG ones.

Apart from Millionaire, which is A Bit Shit, natch.

 

[dunover]

@dunover regarding your question as to whether or not you can get two 6x's on the same reel for 6x to the power of 7: the hint is in the pre feature screen you saw (2x or 3x up to 243x). So no it's not possible or it only pays as one 6x.

As to a game like this having a built in max pay (as opposed to per casino) far exceeding the games expected potential I fully agree with you it is scummy behaviour.

Yes, good spot. So obviously in FS the reels will only display one Wild - it has to be that as having 2 in view would effectively offer more than 6x (if they were both 6x and only one 6x counted as you suggested) as the other Wild would act as another 'way facilitator' and effectively offer 7x on the reel.

It also remains to be established if the stacks of Mammoth are still possible on reel 1 in FS - assuming they are then my proposition still stands that you could hit 150xbet x 7776 i.e. over 1.16 million x bet. That's with 3 Mammoth, it may be that 4, 5 or even 6 is on the reel 1.

 

[TheresNoDInBonanza]

Yes, good spot. So obviously in FS the reels will only display one Wild - it has to be that as having 2 in view would effectively offer more than 6x (if they were both 6x and only one 6x counted as you suggested) as the other Wild would act as another 'way facilitator' and effectively offer 7x on the reel.

It also remains to be established if the stacks of Mammoth are still possible on reel 1 in FS - assuming they are then my proposition still stands that you could hit 150xbet x 7776 i.e. over 1.16 million x bet. That's with 3 Mammoth, it may be that 4, 5 or even 6 is on the reel 1.

You'd be pretty happy if you hit that.
On a $0.01 spin.

 

[sapit222]

It looks cool, but they seem to have forgotten the winnings when i played just now..
40Euro gone in 1 minute on 0,4-0,6 spins...

 

[dunover]

It looks cool, but they seem to have forgotten the winnings when i played just now..
40Euro gone in 1 minute on 0,4-0,6 spins...

I told you that in the video - the base game is mostly vile compared to Bonanza's. It became apparent quite quickly to me that this slot is set up differently, more volatile in both base game and feature.

 

[dunover]

You'd be pretty happy if you hit that.
On a $0.01 spin.

You wouldn't, as you'd only get 500 bucks lol....

 

[goatwack]

I love me some volatility in games. Especially when there's a 1-in-3 million chance of me hitting 10,000x.

It's dream slotting

 

[L&L-Jan]

This release was the reason why I stopped working early today

Good start of the session:

 

[kazzi]

Just put 5000kr through this 10/20kr bets and omfg... money just goes poff, managed 2 feature nothing to write about, a single 58x in basegame.

Crazy volatile compared to any other BTG slot tbh.

 

[mariafbb]

had few € left in my VS account and opened the game, got 100x from the first spin.
I will give the slot a proper run another tim,e but not bad for my first spin on it

 

[SpinUk]

How can something deliver a stated return to PLAYER if the wins are artificially cut to those limits? Or would the rtp have taken that into account, which I cannot see how it could.

 

[VismundCygnus]

They definitely would have to include the cap in the RTP calculation @SpinUk. OTherwise they could make >100% RTP game and use caps to get it to 96 or some bullshit. I wonder what the regulation is on operator caps and how it relates to displayed ingame RTP. Anyone know?

Btw on the game; Thanks @dunover for the in-depth review. I would lie if I didn't say this game looks at least somewhat intriguing, but that cap is utter bullshit.
I think another thing that makes this basegame worse than bonanzas is no new symbols cascading in.
So at first glance of the basegame, we got:

• weaker paytable than bonanzas
• less possible ways
• no new symbols cascading in

So even though it's totally possible, i'd be very surprised if this basegame wasnt awful (as bonanzas can be fine but won't get you back in shape after your 1st deposit or so).

 

[myke35]

Reminds me of FOBTs capping your win at 500 & keeping the rest.

Think the game should be designed to only pay out a max of what the player can win.

 

[goatwack]

Yes because if left unchecked we know how this is going to go. The gap between potential payouts and actual payouts is going to widen until it becomes the ultimate Bullshit Chasm, soon it'll be billions of megaways but capped at 1000x.

God I love the future

 

[rostonix]

At least it looks better than other blueprint slots

 

[Steviedoo]

150$ at 40 and 80 cents bets. No feature. Nothing.

I’d rather go buy lottery tickets.

The megaways has become overdone.

I was never a fan of megaways or blueprint. This just sealed it for me.

Blueprint has gone overboard. Every game release is now megaways.

 

[dunover]

150$ at 40 and 80 cents bets. No feature. Nothing.

I’d rather go buy lottery tickets.

The megaways has become overdone.

I was never a fan of megaways or blueprint. This just sealed it for me.

Blueprint has gone overboard. Every game release is now megaways.

As I said in the video, the base will suck you dry long before Bonanza's will......bad luck there.

 

[goatwack]

Maybe we'll see Megaways featuring Megaways soon

Don't put it past them!

 

[slotter999]

Reminds me of FOBTs capping your win at 500 & keeping the rest.

Think the game should be designed to only pay out a max of what the player can win.

the Max win is, of course, factored into the RTP. This is the same for FOBTs. You can still achieve RTP and %age with fixed payouts no drama

 

[dunover]

the Max win is, of course, factored into the RTP. This is the same for FOBTs. You can still achieve RTP and %age with fixed payouts no drama

But what is it though? The 50,000x bet or the 1m + xbet? Now for the RTP to be kosher it wold have to be the 50,000 that's factored in which is what I think you're getting at. In which case it's stooooopid having the pay tables that infer wins 22x greater.

Or is it a case of if somebody won 1.1m x bet and was only paid 50,000x, the game factors the limit in and adds the unpaid amount back into the RTP which sounds farcical when typing it.

Or is it simply not possible to get those kind of results? In which case the game should say so, specifically.

I think it must work like those RTG slots like Raindance which will automatically stop the bonus when 2500x bet is reached or whatever it is, so the RTP is based around that as a maximum result irrespective of what stupidity is shown on the reels. This means that effectively ALL the thousands of reel combinations in FS that COULD pay >50,000x MUST be in the 'pool of balls' as @ChopleyIOM puts it, at the same 50,000x result MINUS preceding pays in the bonus until that point. It's the only way I can see it be both fair and to make the right RTP over time.

So some sort of code which says "any@50,000> = 50,000" or something. @trancemonkey would know and then could stop me going on with this ballcocks...

 

[smart_croatia]

50 spins in on min bet 2 bonuses payed 5 € and 9 €, and 70% of bonus spins where dead

 

[CC07]

Couldn't believe my luck when I hit the bonus on my very first spin.... hmph

Re-triggered twice for this beauty

 

[nikantw]

I don't like how it looks (the animals are stupid childish cartoons) and I hate Blueprint's fun play. Not fan of the cap either.

Basically, as Dunover said, how is the RTP and the game the same for every bet size if bigger wins than the cap are possible?
They can't be possible, not really. Or it is rigged

 

[TheresNoDInBonanza]

Dead or Alive MegaWays™

All the fun of the original but instead of 9 lines there's up to 117k! Cascading wins! A wildline awards 59 extra free games with increasing multiplier!

*Maximum win 250,000x bet or $100, whichever comes first.

 

[lotusch]

Tried 30 spins...Also my last 30...
What a crap slot...

 

[BillyGoldblum]

This higher volatility than queen of riches?

Tried 400 spins on it on .80 and I lost $277..whats that like 14% rtp?

Wont be playing this beast again

 

[goatwack]

Everyone playing this is basically funding the slot's "potential"

Keep going!!

 

[BillyGoldblum]

had 9 auto spins left on it before leaving. Hit the bonus. All those retriggers and spins. Great result

Stay away from this disaster. I was the guinea pig. You are welcome

 

[goatwack]

I'd like my 3 and a half minutes back

 

[BillyGoldblum]

I'd like my 3 and a half minutes back

lol me too and my $300

 

[dunover]

Everyone playing this is basically funding the slot's "potential"

Keep going!!

People must hate me for putting up these new slots....my Blueprint Tariff will be good this month!

 

[shadow123]

Actually I am ok with this game, base play was not too tight and got quite a few features, none of
which were spectacular.ended up a few hundred after a few hours plays,better than the recent BTG
incarnations.
Sure my view will change after it resorts to normal shite mode but at the moment I am enjoying it.
Withdrew £500 last night and will only be playing with piss around money this weekend.

 

[lockinlove]

They messed up on this slot. They have made it so its near impossible to play because the base game just destroys you. I tried it today and out of 100 spins on $1.2 I lost $90. Not a big sample obv but along with others posts it looks like all the rtp must be in the bonus game.

The math distributed in this one is just terrible because most bonuses pay zero too. So its completely loaded to give someone one big hit and everyone else demolished.

 

[shadow123]

Amazing how different it can play for 2 people, found the base play kind enough to play
at £2 which I rarely do.Not doubting that it played crap for you, probably will for me next time

 

[L&L-Jan]

unlucky on reel 6

 

[rostonix]

got two bonuses for x14 ±
i guess it's kinda common for this greedy slot
it eats your balance like crazy and doesn't give anything in return to keep your balance during main game.

it's like bonanza with 90% of dead useless spins and tons of mystical symbols which can cover all reels 2-6 without any match on reel 1

upd: so today i decided to play bonanza and deposited 50$ in casumo. i played 0.2$ bets for 1 hour 40 minutes. had ups and downs, 3 bonuses x20, x50 and final x250. so after almost two hours of gameplay and with 56$ on my balance i decided to try primal for 0.2$ bets too)))))))
well, i had 20 minutes of gameplay for these money) not a single win above 10x. that's kinda it. lol. this slot is not about entertainment at all.

 

[slotmaster]

Ya this game is not on the top of my list but I am a sucker for revealing symbols so they got me there. I FINALLY hit 2 bonuses and the one was o.k. and the other crap and I think the base game is crap so it's just going to be a just try it here and there for something different.

 

[goatwack]

So now we're getting crap Bonanza clones minus Bonanza's base game longevity. All hail the future of slotting!

 

[Kingks]

Bonus 1 10x 20 spins
Bonus 2 60x 45 spins
joke of a slot

 

[zreb]

But what is it though? The 50,000x bet or the 1m + xbet? Now for the RTP to be kosher it wold have to be the 50,000 that's factored in which is what I think you're getting at. In which case it's stooooopid having the pay tables that infer wins 22x greater.

Or is it a case of if somebody won 1.1m x bet and was only paid 50,000x, the game factors the limit in and adds the unpaid amount back into the RTP which sounds farcical when typing it.

Or is it simply not possible to get those kind of results? In which case the game should say so, specifically.

I think it must work like those RTG slots like Raindance which will automatically stop the bonus when 2500x bet is reached or whatever it is, so the RTP is based around that as a maximum result irrespective of what stupidity is shown on the reels. This means that effectively ALL the thousands of reel combinations in FS that COULD pay >50,000x MUST be in the 'pool of balls' as @ChopleyIOM puts it, at the same 50,000x result MINUS preceding pays in the bonus until that point. It's the only way I can see it be both fair and to make the right RTP over time.

So some sort of code which says "any@50,000> = 50,000" or something. @trancemonkey would know and then could stop me going on with this ballcocks...

Did we ever get confirmation on how exactly RTG's win caps are accounted for - whether or not the player is compensated for losing out due to those caps?

The closest I ever found was here, but from almost a decade ago from someone who worked for the company that designed the real series slots: Feature Guarantees - RTG -- How long do you spin?

But it still sounds kind of ambiguous to me - the perspective of that person seems to be that most slots are .1% or less so it doesn't really matter, and on the two biggest slots "but even then it was slightly over 1%". So from that post, it sounds like one game was compensated for the chance of breaking the cap - guessing it was triple twister since that game is now a forced 50 line game. But it's unclear whether or not rain dance was compensated for the loss. They also stated in another post that RTP calculations were based on a "cycle" of the reels, no mention of factoring in the caps. But who knows what has or hasn't changed since then.

Regarding the slot at hand, I'm guessing it's pretty likely that the RTP loss is compensated elsewhere since they actually have to deal with real regulators (unlike RTG most of the time), but it would be nice to get actual confirmation. I always feels a bit uncomfortable when I don't know for sure that a game pays out how I expect it to or not. Also curious what happens if you bet over $5, since the cap is even lower? (Unless $5 is just the maximum, I can't test from here.)