Providers that offer lower RTPs versions of their slots

[satchnz]

I had a bit of spare time today so put together a list of all the main slot providers (in my view), and whether or not they offer lower RTPs versions on their slots.

To do this I compared RTPs for at least two slots from each provider, Unibet vs Leo Vegas. Unibet, as far as I know, haven't taken on lower RTP versions. Leo Vegas have. I also chose these two online casinos as they both have large slot catalogues.

This is by no means a complete representation (nor will it be 100% accurate), but it is enough to at least get an idea of which slots you might get the best value across the various casinos.

If you think I have made a mistake with any of the providers, please say so in a reply.

I hope someone finds this helpful.

(Mods - if there is a better way to represent the table below, please let me know!)

PROVIDER	LOWER RTP VERSIONS OFFERED?
Netent	Yes
Play'n Go	Yes
Red Tiger	Yes
Pragmatic Play	Yes
Microgramming	Unsure from the data I have
Big Time Gaming	No
Push Gaming	No
Relax	No
Blueprint	No
Quickspin	No
YGGDRASIL	No
Elk Studios	No
Stakelogic	No
No Limit	No
Thunderkick	No
Lightning Box Games	No
Nextgen Gaming	No
Kalamba Games	No
PG Soft	No
WMS	No
Just for the Win	No
High 5 Games	No
Inspired Gaming	No
Fantasma Games	No
Barcrest	No
Realistic Games	No
Hacksaw	No
Iron Dog Studios	No
All41Studios	No
Triple Edge Studios	No
ReelPlay	No
Novomatic	No
IGT	No
4ThePlayer	No

 

[CasinoNinja]

Pretty sure there is alot more than what you have said no at.

Microgaming, IGT, Hacksaw (VS run it at 92%!), High 5 Games (IGT games), No Limit, Just for the winm Stakelogic all run lower RTP profiles I believe.

 

[satchnz]

Pretty sure there is alot more than what you have said no at.

Microgaming, IGT, Hacksaw (VS run it at 92%!), High 5 Games (IGT games), No Limit, Just for the winm Stakelogic all run lower RTP profiles I believe.

Are you able to provide some examples? I can check them out and update the table.

 

[Kroffe]

CasinoNinja is correct about the providers he mentioned, all of them offer multiple rtp versions.
Too lazy to bring up comparisons tho, so you have to check for yourself if you dont believe it.

To add to the list, Thunderkick&Novomatic also offer multiple rtp:s.

Edit: all41studios aswell. I would assume most, if not all the studios making games for microgaming offer multiple versions.

 

[satchnz]

…so you have to check for yourself if you dont believe it.

Nothing to do with not believing it.

But the first Hacksaw game I checked on VS (Chaos Crew) and it’s set at 92.4%. Holy crap that is low.

Looks like either I’ll have to cross check my results with VS too, or my effort was a waste of time ?.

 

[CasinoNinja]

Are you able to provide some examples? I can check them out and update the table.

All of no limit games run at 94% on VS for example, same for Stakelogic games. Microgaming revamps run at lower RTP too like Thunder Struck 2, Immortal Romance etc.
If you want to check if a provider runs at a lower RTP, just go to Videoslots, they always go for the lower RTP version these days sadly.

And yes @Kroffe is right, Thunderkick run Pink Elephants 2 at 94% on some sites too

 

[satchnz]

I’ll spend some time tomorrow to go through RTPs on VS and update the table.

 

[Kroffe]

Im not sure what the easiest way to check is.
I looked just now at slotcatalog, and they dont list hacksaw as having multiple rtp versions, so that site is no good for this.
I guess comparing games on Unibet & Videoslots would give you a good idea.
If they are using the same rtp for a slot there is a good chance that provider only offer one version.

Some providers, Thunderkick&Netent (first ones that come to mind) only offer multiple versions on some of their slots.
I think Thunderkick only has a couple slots with multiple versions, and Netent has not yet re-made all their slots so they have multiple versions, but i assume its coming.

 

[satchnz]

My logic is that if a provider offers some of their slots at lower RTPs, I’ll avoid them at all casinos other than the couple that don’t take lower versions of any slots (which is a dying thing I know).

Just trying to help myself and others to get the best value for their gambling dollar…

 

[brianmon]

I had a bit of spare time today so put together a list of all the main slot providers (in my view), and whether or not they offer lower RTPs versions on their slots.

To do this I compared RTPs for at least two slots from each provider, Unibet vs Leo Vegas. Unibet, as far as I know, haven't taken on lower RTP versions. Leo Vegas have. I also chose these two online casinos as they both have large slot catalogues.

This is by no means a complete representation (nor will it be 100% accurate), but it is enough to at least get an idea of which slots you might get the best value across the various casinos.

If you think I have made a mistake with any of the providers, please say so in a reply.

I hope someone finds this helpful.

(Mods - if there is a better way to represent the table below, please let me know!)

PROVIDER	LOWER RTP VERSIONS OFFERED?
Netent	Yes
Play'n Go	Yes
Red Tiger	Yes
Pragmatic Play	Yes
Microgramming	Unsure from the data I have
Big Time Gaming	No
Push Gaming	No
Relax	No
Blueprint	No
Quickspin	No
YGGDRASIL	No
Elk Studios	No
Stakelogic	No
No Limit	No
Thunderkick	No
Lightning Box Games	No
Nextgen Gaming	No
Kalamba Games	No
PG Soft	No
WMS	No
Just for the Win	No
High 5 Games	No
Inspired Gaming	No
Fantasma Games	No
Barcrest	No
Realistic Games	No
Hacksaw	No
Iron Dog Studios	No
All41Studios	No
Triple Edge Studios	No
ReelPlay	No
Novomatic	No
IGT	No
4ThePlayer	No

MicroGaming and NetEnt only offer lower RTP on a selection of slots, not the entire catalogue.
IGT have always had variable RTP

 

[dunover]

Taking a starting point of say Jan 1 2020, it's easier to name the ones that don't offer variable RTPs.

 

[09237653]

Thunderkick: Yes, but only on three games currently (Sword of Khans, Pink Elephants 2 and Jin Chan Pond of Riches)

Microgaming: Yes, on their 'remasters' and any new releases, older classics seem to be safe but most have been discontinued.

No limit: Yes reduced RTP versions at videoslots.

BTG do have versions of 'feature drop' games with feature drop removed, this must affect the rtp slightly.

 

[Kroffe]

Thunderkick: Yes, but only on three games currently (Sword of Khans, Pink Elephants 2 and Jin Chan Pond of Riches)

Microgaming: Yes, on their 'remasters' and any new releases, older classics seem to be safe but most have been discontinued.

Quickspin: Yes, they have reduced rtp versions at videoslots.

No limit: Yes again they have reduced RTP versions at videoslots.

BTG do have versions of 'feature drop' games with feature drop removed, this must affect the rtp slightly.

I may be wrong, but i think Jin chans pond of riches only exist in 94% version.
Sites like Vera&John, nordicbet that run everything at full rtp have it at 94% same as videoslots.

 

[09237653]

I may be wrong, but i think Jin chans pond of riches only exist in 94% version.
Sites like Vera&John, nordicbet that run everything at full rtp have it at 94% same as videoslots.

Cant seem to find it in many places to check so you may be right.
also I removed quickspin from the list as well as they appear to be on 96% even at VS now.

 

[bamberfishcake]

Add the following as yes for definite:

Microgaming
Push Gaming
Stakelogic
Hacksaw Gaming
IGT

Some single version developers have started releasing in the 95%/94% arena.

Low, but honest and upfront as opposed to the variable providers.

p.s. as far as I know Thunderkick are still single versions.

 

[bamberfishcake]

Oh, any partnered with Microgaming such as Gameburger Studios and Just for the Win also offer variables.

 

[Kroffe]

Cant seem to find it in many places to check so you may be right.
also I removed quickspin from the list as well as they appears to be on 96% even at VS now.

Yeah its just something ive assumed since sites that run everything at max have it at 94% never asked about it.

@bamberfishcake
PE2 exists in 94&96% version for sure.
Source: My eyes just looked at PE2 at V&J vs Videoslots and saw two different versions.

Edit: most of their slots only have one version tho it seems.

 

[bamberfishcake]

Oh and add No Limit City to the definites also

Two versions, normally 96 and 94ish.

 

[bamberfishcake]

Yeah its just something ive assumed since sites that run everything at max have it at 94% never asked about it.

@bamberfishcake
PE2 exists in 94&96% version for sure.
Source: My eyes just looked at PE2 at V&J vs Videoslots and saw two different versions.

Edit: most of their slots only have one version tho it seems.

PE2?

I know it will be obvious but acronyms are just a bunch of letters to me

 

[Kroffe]

PE2?

I know it will be obvious but acronyms are just a bunch of letters to me

Pink elephants, the sequel.

 

[flyerskyangle]

LeoVegas a suck casino! Stay away.

 

[satchnz]

After a night to sleep on this coupled with the feedback received, I’ve come to the realisation that this will be a fruitless effort. It looks as if most providers are offering multiple RTPs on at least some of their games now. As disappointing as it is, it’s also reality now.

It looks like I’ll have to stick with the known three UK casinos that don’t run lower RTP versions (Unibet, Novibet, and Bet365).

Mods - if you want to either delete or close this thread, all good.

 

[bamberfishcake]

After a night to sleep on this coupled with the feedback received, I’ve come to the realisation that this will be a fruitless effort. It looks as if most providers are offering multiple RTPs on at least some of their games now. As disappointing as it is, it’s also reality now.

It looks like I’ll have to stick with the known three UK casinos that don’t run lower RTP versions (Unibet, Novibet, and Bet365).

Mods - if you want to either delete or close this thread, all good.

No, it's not futile.

You can play Relax Gaming, Yggdrasil Gaming, Big Time Gaming, Fantasma Games, ReelPlay, Avatar UX and many many more who offer single version slots.

Good thread and one that helps players and raises awareness.

 

[satchnz]

Based on a bit of encouragement from @bamberfishcake above (thanks), I decided to spend the time and cross reference slot RTPs with Videoslots’ offerings.

Now please appreciate that I could not compare every single slot game, so there may be a couple of errors in my table if some suppliers only offer different RTPs on only a couple of their games. Also if you believe any of the entries are incorrect, please reply with a specific example so I can update the table. I cannot go searching for a needle in a haystack.

The only gap in my table is for Novomatics. Videoslots wouldn't let me into any of the Novos as my balance was too low (3p), and I don't really feel compelled to deposit to Videoslots again given the damning information I have discovered below!

I no longer have access to edit the table in my first post so I have copied again below. Perhaps one of the mods could give me access to edit the post indefinitely so I can keep it updated?

PROVIDER	LOWER RTP VERSIONS OFFERED?
Netent	Yes
Play'n Go	Yes
Red Tiger	Yes
Pragmatic Play	Yes
Blueprint	Yes
Stakelogic	Yes
NoLimit City	Yes
Thunderkick	Yes
Just for the Win	Yes
Hacksaw	Yes
Triple Edge Studios	Yes
IGT	Yes
Microgramming	Yes
Big Time Gaming	No
Push Gaming	Yes
Relax	No
Quickspin	No
YGGDRASIL	No
Elk Studios	No
Lightning Box Games	No
Nextgen Gaming	No
Kalamba Games	No
PG Soft	No
WMS	No
High 5 Games	No
Inspired Gaming	No
Fantasma Games	No
Barcrest	No
Realistic Games	No
Iron Dog Studios	No
All41Studios	Yes
ReelPlay	No
4ThePlayer	No
Novomatic	Yes

 

[Kroffe]

You can add Novomatic and All41studios to yes.
I know book of ra has a 95% version (Swedes get 92%) and Forgotten island has a 96.25% version compared to videoslots 93.95%

 

[satchnz]

You can add Novomatic and All41studios to yes.
I know book of ra has a 95% version (Swedes get 92%) and Forgotten island has a 96.25% version compared to videoslots 93.95%

Checked and updated table. Thanks.

 

[bamberfishcake]

Great work, thank you for this info.

You can add Quickspin and Push Gaming.

Both introduced variable RTP's this year.

 

[satchnz]

Great work, thank you for this info.

You can add Quickspin and Push Gaming.

Both introduced variable RTP's this year.

Thanks for this. I’ve updated the table for Push. Would it be possible for you to provide an example of a Quickspin slot with different RTPs? I can’t for the life of me find one.

 

[satchnz]

Updated table below. Mods cannot give me access to just edit this thread so I’m going to have to post a new table each update. Let’s hope it doesn’t need many more changes (unless providers decide to scrap lower RTP offerings….yeah, right!).

PROVIDER	LOWER RTP VERSIONS OFFERED?
Netent	Yes
Play'n Go	Yes
Red Tiger	Yes
Pragmatic Play	Yes
Blueprint	Yes
Stakelogic	Yes
NoLimit City	Yes
Thunderkick	Yes
Just for the Win	Yes
Hacksaw	Yes
Triple Edge Studios	Yes
IGT	Yes
Microgramming	Yes
Big Time Gaming	No
Push Gaming	Yes
Relax	No
Quickspin	Yes
YGGDRASIL	No
Elk Studios	No
Lightning Box Games	No
Nextgen Gaming	No
Kalamba Games	No
PG Soft	No
WMS	No
High 5 Games	No
Inspired Gaming	No
Fantasma Games	No
Barcrest	No
Realistic Games	No
Iron Dog Studios	No
All41Studios	Yes
ReelPlay	No
4ThePlayer	No
Novomatic	Yes

 

[CasinoNinja]

Great work, thank you for this info.

You can add Quickspin and Push Gaming.

Both introduced variable RTP's this year.

I'm also wondering, which Quickspin slots have variable RTP?

 

[bamberfishcake]

I'm also wondering, which Quickspin slots have variable RTP?

Sakura Fortune, Big Bad Wolf and Eastern Emeralds have variables for certain.

 

[CasinoNinja]

Sakura Fortune, Big Bad Wolf and Eastern Emeralds have variables for certain.

I'm shocked, it's on the quickspin page at 90%! The original is 97%.

So far VS is running on the higher end, but it would not suprise me if they now take onboard these ones. Disgusting.

 

[bamberfishcake]

I'm shocked, it's on the quickspin page at 90%! The original is 97%.

So far VS is running on the higher end, but it would not suprise me if they now take onboard these ones. Disgusting.

Particularly as all of those three have a serious fan base and are very popular.

Combined with the lack of understanding there will be some serious scratching of heads with deposits being rinsed.

 

[johnnymcc1966]

Novomatic offer reduced RTPs? That's nothing short of a disgrace considering how hard they are to bonus anyway.

 

[riva]

Does anybody know if Amatic also has different RTP versions of their slots ?

 

[09237653]

Worth noting that most Netent games are still on fixed RTP 96% versions, most of their back catalogue is unaffected for now.

Thunderkick are releasing all their new games at 96% so hopefully they have packed in the silliness now.

Still advise checking every game before playing.

 

[justdoit]

I'm also wondering, which Quickspin slots have variable RTP?

some have very bad I think 90% is for Germany market

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[justdoit]

Does anybody know if Amatic also has different RTP versions of their slots ?

on Partycasino max RTP

 

[riva]

on Partycasino max RTP
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Do all Amatic games on Partycasino show the RTP ? At the casinos I'm allowed to play in Belgium and that offer Amatic games (Bwin, Circus and Casino777) I can't seem to find the RTP on any of their Amatic games

 

[justdoit]

Do all Amatic games on Partycasino show the RTP ? At the casinos I'm allowed to play in Belgium and that offer Amatic games (Bwin, Circus and Casino777) I can't seem to find the RTP on any of their Amatic games

yes all show RTP
1. press ? on right

2. than press S

scroll the page down you get RTP

p.s. Bwin, Circus and Casino777 i think they are same group as partycasino

 

[09237653]

Spoke too soon on thunderkick, looks like they have a new game with variable rtp, Fortune Cats Golden Stacks
(VS left, Pokerstars Right)

 

[Kroffe]

Spoke too soon on thunderkick, looks like they have a new game with variable rtp, Fortune Cats Golden Stacks
(VS left, Pokerstars Right)

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Was it only Pink elephants 2 before this game or are there other Thunderkick slots that has more than one version?

 

[09237653]

Was it only Pink elephants 2 before this game or are there other Thunderkick slots that has more than one version?

Sword of Khans is the only other one I know of, other recent releases are 96% such as Gods of rock and Baron bloodmore.

 

[dunover]

Thunderkick offer variable RTP now.

 

[The Dude]

Updated table below. Mods cannot give me access to just edit this thread so I’m going to have to post a new table each update. Let’s hope it doesn’t need many more changes (unless providers decide to scrap lower RTP offerings….yeah, right!).
...

You should have pinged me, I could've done it

Excellent thread by the way.

 

[bamberfishcake]

Thunderkick slots come in four versions - 96.xx%, 94.xx%, 92.xx% and 90.xx% RTP models.

Gods of Rock was the first I think with variable models. Everything since comes in four versions.

 

[bamberfishcake]

Just dawned on me also that they sent an email, in December I think, proudly announcing they do an 88.xx% RTP model now also

 

[Kroffe]

Thunderkick slots come in four versions - 96.xx%, 94.xx%, 92.xx% and 90.xx% RTP models.

Gods of Rock was the first I think with variable models. Everything since comes in four versions.

Pink elephants 2 also have different versions (only know 96&94 for sure)

 

[bamberfishcake]

Pink elephants 2 also have different versions (only know 96&94 for sure)

Probably hit their back catalogue, pretty certain I've seen a Baroon Bloodmore at lower and closed it straight away.

 

[09237653]

Have not seen a reduced Gods of Rock RTP anywhere, the two other games that use the new interface are both affected though, if TK start reducing all their games I just wont play them anymore, fixed RTP games will be the only option soon.