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Planet 23 and Apollo are both closing their doors. Apparently because of issues with Rival.

Looks bad for Rivals...

From what I know ( I may be wrong, there may be others) the only Rival not using the Rival software processing is Slotocash.

I would be careful depositing into other Rivals at this time...
Just to clarify; from what I understand it is just the Affiliate / Casino Management who are quitting - the casinos themselves will probably carry on running as normal, but under 100% Rival control. (As what happened with Tradition casino).

Box24/Black Diamond and BetUS also do NOT use Rivals processor.

However, I must agree - this does not look good at all for Rival casinos. :(

KK
 
Just to clarify; from what I understand it is just the Affiliate / Casino Management who are quitting - the casinos themselves will probably carry on running as normal, but under 100% Rival control. (As what happened with Tradition casino).

Box24/Black Diamond and BetUS also do NOT use Rivals processor.

However, I must agree - this does not look good at all for Rival casinos. :(

KK

So, no change there then:rolleyes:

The closure of Vanguard and Slot power showed that it was REALLY a marketing portal, or "super affiliate", in charge of MARKETING the casinos. They had NO POWER to change the customer experience which was run by Rival, but ONLY the power to design and market the various promotions.

Nothing is going to IMPROVE now that the marketing partners have walked, and if such professionals decide to walk because Rival are providing such a poor level of service, surely PLAYERS ought to seriously consider taking the same walk with them.

Rival are slowly bleeding to death, yet seem unwilling to take action to stem the losses. Rival management need to consult their remaining partners, and come up with improvements that will encourage them to stay.

This entire arrangement has always been less than transparent, and we now know that we have been regularly misinformed in the past so as to prevent the nature of the arrangement from becoming known. Initially, Rival were "just the software provider", an argument which was steadily weakened when it seemed that casino OPERATORS often used the excuse that they had little or no control over even the minor issues, and had to get back to "the software provider" about issues that had nothing to do with the gaming software, but rather decisions that had been made on player accounts.

I suspect the Tradition fiasco put the boot in, since after this the hemorrhage of "marketing partners" began, and perhaps with an accompanying hemorrhage of players.

There is more chance of England winning the world cup than of Rival emerging from this pile of $h1t smelling of roses:D
 
From my mailbox:


and

Dear affiliates, Due to the ongoing issues we are having with processing and Rival management we will be closing down our site in the next few days. We are committed to providing top standards of gaming and support to both players and affiliates. This decision was not easy , but the ongoing issues are not allowing us to offer these standards. Please terminate all affiliate deals within the immediate , we hope (we can't enforce this as its Rival that holds all fees), that Rival will respect and honor the current and future revenue that you are entitled to. Thank your, Michael and Emma, Royal Apollo Affiliates

What apparently happened is that Rival is now holding 40% of all deposits for an extremely long time. Hence the small casinos have to close there is no way they can pay Rival, employees, winners and affiliates.

The above is hear-say and not verified by me as yet.
 
Hence the small casinos have to close there is no way they can pay Rival, employees, winners and affiliates.
AFAIK the small casinos don't pay winners and affiliates - Rival hold all the money and do all the paying (or not).
Logically then, the casinos don't pay Rival either.
What all that boils down to is that Rival are not paying the owners of the casinos their share of the profits - and so they can't pay their employees. That's why they're shutting down.

Just my interpretation of the facts I have gathered over the years - this has not been confirmed as gospel by anyone that I know of.

KK
 
Hi there

I recently started playing at VegasAces Casino, and i really like the software but never played so much on Rival casinos, as some times the money i deposited just went straight in the bin in short time :)
But ive decieded to give it a go again with VegasAces casino ;)

But i sent them all my identity docs etc and asked how long they are with withdrawals etc..., and it all seems quite positive?
I recieved answer within 1 hour :)


Thank you for contacting VegasAces Casino,

We have received and uploaded your documentation in your account, will be reviewed and eventual approved by our processing department. We also need you print, and sign the form we sent you in our other email.

As far as payouts, we can send your money back via Money Bookers, it will take 3 business days to be processed, and few minutes to hit your Money Bookers, once the money are removed from your account.


Now that they are actually part of BetUS, does it mean they are good? and that i havent got any risk depositing here?
Just because i see all this negative talk about Rivals now, so im a bit worried etc, just want to be sure i can deposit and dont risk never seeing any withdrawals.....

But this casino should be fine as i understand, because they are run trough BetUS? sorry guys just really confused right now hehe, because everyone screaming on other forums to stay away from rivals :confused:
 
Since BetUS apparently doesn't use rival processing, it's a better bet than the ones who do.

I wouldn't leave any funds lying around though...looks like there are just a lot of other issues now too. Processing was and remains the major one though, and the casinos handling their own appear to have a better chance.

Notice though that my language is very tentative here...
 
Live Chat said............


 
Last week I have had a few wins at Vegas Regal Casino. Had to send in Documents for the first win. They took care of things very quickly and received both wins in 3 days.
 
Just an update regarding Vegas Aces Casino....
Superb support!!! after my docs where verified etc...
One of their supervisors misunderstood, and had my winnings setup for withdrawal without i even had to make deposit.... i made playtrough on their 27$ free chip, and had 81$ max payout.
I wanted to make deposit and play as well, i made big confusions lol, guess a whole other world than the way casino la vida does.... i had answers of emails i sent straight away. Where they never answered my emails.
But went to livechat and they helped out with everything, i couldnt make deposit because system blocked for it etc.., they have now manually removed the 81$ and sent them to my moneybookers for withdrawal!!!!
What a NICE service!!!! by the way it was JILL from support who helped out in close talk with her boss.....all credit to them ;)
Wish there were more casinos like that, no doubt im playing there in future...
Just wanted to let U guys know, will update about my withdrawal etc...
Well im off now to deposit and play some more :lolup:
 

have I understood it correctly that you won on their no deposit bonus and you requested a withdrawal? and before the withdrawal was processed you deposited? well, I won the max amount of 81$ on their no deposit, too. I requested a withdrawal, they asked for documents, I sent them to them, they accepted them and told me the money would hit my moneybooker account in some days. however, they didnt keep their promise. I am still waiting for my money after a long time now and they didnt reply when I emailed them asking when I will get my money. :mad: that is not so good, is it? I hope my affiliate will be able to help me.
so maybe you shouldnt have deposited yet. I would have waited until I get the winnings before I might deposit.
 
Planet 23 and Apollo are both closing their doors. Apparently because of issues with Rival.

Looks bad for Rivals...

From what I know ( I may be wrong, there may be others) the only Rival not using the Rival software processing is Slotocash.

I would be careful depositing into other Rivals at this time...

Hi Dom

Just to clarify, Box24 Casino and Black Diamond Casino - like Sloto - are independent of Rival. Everything from processing to support is done in house.

Thanks
S
 
have I understood it correctly that you won on their no deposit bonus and you requested a withdrawal? and before the withdrawal was processed you deposited? well, I won the max amount of 81$ on their no deposit, too. I requested a withdrawal, they asked for documents, I sent them to them, they accepted them and told me the money would hit my moneybooker account in some days. however, they didnt keep their promise. I am still waiting for my money after a long time now and they didnt reply when I emailed them asking when I will get my money. :mad: that is not so good, is it? I hope my affiliate will be able to help me.
so maybe you shouldnt have deposited yet. I would have waited until I get the winnings before I might deposit.

The promotion clearly states You have to deposit before withdrawal. That was why i contacted them, because their system would not let me deposit etc..., but the nice girl in live chat, contacted her boss who was there, and also sent email for me to their department... And she got it arranged so they would withdraw my winnings to my moneybookers in 3 days proccesing time maybe earlier, also was told i cant deposit until they are cleared. Seemed to be some kind of block or something.
 
Not Recommended

All Rival White Labels are in the Not Recommended section of the rogue pit. Players and affiliates should be avoiding these sites.

This applies only to the white label casinos and not the independently run: Slot o' Cash, BetUS, Box24, Black Diamond, 21 Magic.

https://sussexmskpartnershipeast.com/rogue-casinos/
 
All Rival White Labels are in the Not Recommended section of the rogue pit. Players and affiliates should be avoiding these sites.

This applies only to the white label casinos and not the independently run: Slot o' Cash, BetUS, Box24, Black Diamond, 21 Magic.

https://sussexmskpartnershipeast.com/rogue-casinos/

does that mean that these rivals (Slot o' Cash, BetUS, Box24, Black Diamond, 21 Magic) are reputable sites one can trust? Doesnt BetUS have a rather bad reputation? :confused:
 
does that mean that these rivals (Slot o' Cash, BetUS, Box24, Black Diamond, 21 Magic) are reputable sites one can trust? Doesnt BetUS have a rather bad reputation? :confused:

I'm not implying anything except they aren't included in the NR list since they run their own support and payment processing.

If any reps of the listed casinos feel that they should be excluded from the list, they should let me know.
 
Hello.

Excuse me. But it is not 21 Magic Casino is it. The only Rival Casino I could find is called 21 Grand Casino, with 21 in its name...?
Yep - I've never heard of 21 Magic casino either, and 21 Grand IS a white label.

KK
 
those 21:s

Is it possibly Vegas Casino 21? I just joined them lately and made a note I like them but I'll be damned if I remember what software. Man am I gettin old. :o

Hello.

VegasCasino 21 has TOP GAME software
21 Magic Casino has RTG software
21 Grand Casino has has RIVAL software

End of confusion... :)

Kind regards

L'aresenne
 

Take care, im waiting a cashout for more than 27 days, and they give me a new excuse every time that i cantac them.
 
I dont know, i contacted them yesterday, seem to be longer in their email answers now.....ill give them 5 hours from now and then get on livechat.... :what:

Email i recieved last night >>>>

Thank you for contacting VegasAces Casino,

At the present moment Accounting department have your payout, they should release the funds and send them to you between today and tomorrow.

Should you need further assistance, please contact our Casino staff via live chat.

Best Regards


It should be positive or?? :confused:

Have u had any info like this?
 
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I recieved all type of excuses, i sent the document june 4 and eceived an email that said all are great, my cashout will be pay in the next 10 business day, after that nothing hapen, so new chat and i ask what hapen and they say that i must send the docuemnts again..... and now is july 2 :eek2: lol
And they have their chat offlinie, but you can contact via this char:
You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.
that work :eek2:
 
:lolup:

From: "Firepower Trading (via Moneybookers)" ([email protected])
You may not know this sender.Mark as safe|Mark as junk
Sent: 02 July 2010 17:07:20
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

You have received new funds

Dear xxxxxx

Greetings from moneybookers.com! You have just received money from Firepower Trading ([email protected]).




Transaction details

Amount: USD 81.00
Moneybookers Transaction ID: 2901909xx
Your Transaction ID for this payment:
Detail 1:xxxxxxx
:lolup:

I'm impressed of that :)

I guess You to use more power like me to get them, but seems quite good to me.....
Cant see any problems in depositing and playing here...
3 days is a long time for me, but guess i can survive... :notworthy:
 

WOW you received it, great, i dont received nothing :D
 
:sob:
WOW you received it, great, i dont received nothing :D

My friend You need to chase this up, As soon possible get on livechat when its available, and ask to speak with Jill, just be nice and calm to her, she is superb and fantastic.... i will promise You that she will make sure that You recieve the winnings asap. :thumbsup:

I will make deposits here and play here in future, but because of all these problems with Rival, i think i will wait for a bit, until i can be 100% sure to recieve winnings etc..
My only problem is i love the software that Rival uses :(
 
Just a suggestion...have you tried Black Diamond? I played Thursday and Friday morning requested a cashout to QT and it was there Saturday morning. So far they are the fastest. Good luck!
 
just seen this thread, and I would like to say that I think it is a little unfair to be classing all white labels together,

Both 21 Grand Casino and Supreme Play have there own in house 24/7, support in English, French and German, who are all very knowledgeable, professional and friendly, available on live chat and on the phone.

There have been the processing problems due to the visa issue, which we are personnaly working on to find an answer to.

We also know and accept CM to be a fair website, and have been a great user and follower, but we feel that it is not fair for 21 Grand Casino and Supreme Play to be on here as we do match the full criteria of a white label casino.
 

Whilst you have your own in-house support, you are STILL at the mercy of Rival when it comes to processing of withdrawals. It is NOT just the processing issues, but the total inability for players to have promises of payment KEPT, or be on the receiving end of incessant BS excuses.

The "VISA issue" was some months ago, and this should NOT be affecting players NOW. Further it should NOT be affecting NON-US players AT ALL!

IF the "VISA issue" was so bad that it has left Rival with ongoing "cashflow issues", then any warning is justified, since this means that there is the possibility of Rival being unable to pay players should there be another unexpected "hit" to the balance sheet, such as an unusual amount won by players, or another "processor issue".

The only warning that would not apply to your properties would be that regarding failings in Rival central player support, since you don't use it.

Rival casinos are also rather secretive as to what is meant by the various types of "white label", therefore it is not possible to make the warning more specific than the generality of "Rival white label casinos" without further information from operators, or Rival themselves.
 
I have the understanding that other platfroms with players from the US are all having problems at the moment with processing,

I am also reading on other threads for a white label it is Rival that do Proscesing and CS
So as we have stated 21 grand casino and supreme play do not meet this therefore are not white lables if they are going to b included in the white label list then you need to change the critria of what a white label casino is!

With white labels, the software provider provides the software, the ecash processing, and the player support. The casino owner/operator provides the funding and the marketing
 
I have the understanding that other platfroms with players from the US are all having problems at the moment with processing,

I am also reading on other threads for a white label it is Rival that do Proscesing and CS
So as we have stated 21 grand casino and supreme play do not meet this therefore are not white lables if they are going to b included in the white label list then you need to change the critria of what a white label casino is!

With white labels, the software provider provides the software, the ecash processing, and the player support. The casino owner/operator provides the funding and the marketing
In the interest of full transparency, who is the casino owner??:what::what::what:...Sorry for the hard question;)

Nevermind that silly error on your website:

"21GrandCasino is a casino owned and operated by Silverstone Overseas Limited, Ingles Manor, Castle Hill Avenue, Kent, Folkestone, United Kingdom (hereafter "Silverstone") a company wholly owned by Bonne Chance NV (hereafter "BC"). Bonne Chance NV is a company incorporated, licensed and regulated by the Government of Curacao for the purpose of operating an online casino."

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.
 
I have the understanding that other platfroms with players from the US are all having problems at the moment with processing,

I am also reading on other threads for a white label it is Rival that do Proscesing and CS
So as we have stated 21 grand casino and supreme play do not meet this therefore are not white lables if they are going to b included in the white label list then you need to change the critria of what a white label casino is!

With white labels, the software provider provides the software, the ecash processing, and the player support. The casino owner/operator provides the funding and the marketing

Well, given that the main issue is (and always has been) the payment processing aspect of Rival operators, your casino should actually be included with the other 'White' labels. Providing your own CS doesnt help players get paid any faster.

However, given that your casino doesnt meet the full criteria for a 'White" Label, maybe we should create a new category called 'Grey Label' or possibly even 'Off-White Label' to make sure players are aware of the differences.
 
Well, given that the main issue is (and always has been) the payment processing aspect of Rival operators, your casino should actually be included with the other 'White' labels. Providing your own CS doesnt help players get paid any faster.

However, given that your casino doesnt meet the full criteria for a 'White" Label, maybe we should create a new category called 'Grey Label' or possibly even 'Off-White Label' to make sure players are aware of the differences.

Well, if the Rival setup was not so DELIBERATELY deceptive, 21Grand would NOT have this problem. Players, and watchdog sites, will err on the side of caution, so refusal to give information is going to be seen as "has something to hide".
Where Rival & white label operators HAVE given information in the past, THEY HAVE LIED (or at least mislead), and have later been found out.

Often, what is said is contradicted by what is on the website (such is the case with 21Grand). The 21Grand website states the casino is WHOLLY owned & operated by Silverstone (AKA Rival), and NOT by the "marketing partners" at 21Grand. 21Grand provide the marketing, CS, but NOT the processing, and they have NO POWER WHATSOEVER to make Rival pay THEIR players any faster than other players whose payments are being processed by Rival.

The planet23 website (above) is yet ANOTHER example of confused players logging in to what WAS their casino, and where they still have money, and nearly dying of shock:eek: because the website seems to have been hijacked, and they have heard NOTHING about this.

Normally, when a casino changes hands, it's fronting domain goes along with it. What is happening at Rival is not only unusual, it is UNIQUE, but is one of the arrangements Rival & operators worked very hard at to keep secret from players. With this secret suddenly out, and with Rival completely wrong footed (no chance to prepare a "press release", not even of the "firefighting" type), players have bolted for the exit as fast as they can, and now doubt EVERY SINGLE Rival white label because of what ELSE has been kept secret, and will come along to rob them of their balances.

The problem with the domains, as illustrated above with planet23, is that players can no longer go to the website to make contact with the original casino, because not only has it changed into a general affiliate marketing site (and revealing the TRUE nature of these Rival white label "operators" in the process - yet ANOTHER recently exposed secret), the process has been acrimonious, and all evidence that there ever was a planet23 casino has been erased - no information to players, not even a link forwarding them to the new entity to contact with planet23 casino related issues. This also happened when Vanguard closed, and although they told AFFILIATES, they did not tell PLAYERS. A couple of affiliates posted the notification from Vanguard, and it was clear that Vanguard felt Rival was to blame, and it was obvious the closure was down to an acrimonious dispute between Rival & Vanguard, and they were NOT prepared to assist Rival in any way in taking over the casino & continuing to run it. As a result of this, players were left out in the cold, being used by Vanguard as pawns in the dispute to "win points" against Rival by forcing them to set up a new domain to continue operating Vanguard, rather than passing them the original Vanguard domain such that as far as players were concerned, the process was seamless, and they could access the website & customer support at all times during the transfer process.

More recently, the Rival white label casinos have been removed from the not recommended list because the CEO of Rival has told Bryan that Rival WILL continue to honour payments to players and affiliates when white label operators cease operating their white label casino.

In the case of Rival, who runs the processing is the most important determination of risk to players, since those casinos who operate their own processing will NOT be affected by this "domino effect" caused by white label operators failing to meet their obligations to Rival, which then leads to Rival processing not having the expected liquidity, thus leading to payment delays.

The statement from the Rival CEO indicates that whilst there may be delays, Rival are committed to making good on all payments due.

In one respect, this makes Rival SAFER than some other casinos, where the software provider does NOT step in to make good on payments due to players and affiliates when the operator goes bust. Far from keeping this secret, Rival should have made it clear to players that the white label model offered this additional safety feature to players that is lacking in most other casinos.
 
I would have to say their processing is a huge issue. I remember the good old days when I could withdrawal off free chips, not worrying about all these terms and such. But Rivals are excessive, my girlfriend has all sorts of money on a rival casino, but she does not have a bank account, but will be getting one shortly. And the support informed me that she cannot not withdrawal, any other method then the method you deposited with, well with us being in the usa, we had planned on depositing using our netspend or significant other processing, then request a check, I mean betonsoft, best customer service and response I have ever seen. However I am having issues with them greatly right now on betonsoft, with a specific group that previously had ducked and dodged affiliates and changed their software quite drasticly. :eek:
 
I have the understanding that other platfroms with players from the US are all having problems at the moment with processing,

I am also reading on other threads for a white label it is Rival that do Proscesing and CS
So as we have stated 21 grand casino and supreme play do not meet this therefore are not white lables if they are going to b included in the white label list then you need to change the critria of what a white label casino is!

With white labels, the software provider provides the software, the ecash processing, and the player support. The casino owner/operator provides the funding and the marketing


Hi 21 I'm a player that had a huge 'disappointment' shall we say, with a rival last year which was too bad for both of us, but that aside and almost forgotten thank you, I feel a good percentage of us would love for you to be what you say you are and as soon as we see the 'pudding' as in proof in the pudding, we will or at least I will be glad to toot your horn with you. But we have had one rival casino rep after another promise the best of everything and then what we see is that nothing changes and as a matter of fact, only worsens. Are employees allowed to play at their casino or do most of you play before becoming employees by any chance?
thank you;)
 
Now I can't keep quiet


I have tried 21 Grand Casino three times. I have used promotions once or twice of these times. I have never made a withdrawal.
Now I get e-mails from 21 Grand Casino with promotions frequently, but there are no promotions available in my account. I asked support why. First they said I was bonus banned. For what? Then they say that I have become blind; the support could see the bonus, but I couldn't.
(Maybe I need stronger glasses????)
Then they say that a manager should look into my account. And today I just wanted to ask why the latest promotion I was offered wasn't in my account, the support closed the chat right into my face, and when I retried, all agents were busy, unless I used another name at the chat.
So, I was blocked at the chat aswell?
Fair, professional, friendly. No. I don't think so.
I don't demand any promotions. I demand to be treated with respect.

Kind regards
L'arsenne
 

MORE rogue behaviour then, lies, then deliberately blocked. It's a bit like a common ailment that afflicts children, called "selective deafness".

Example:-

Say "do the washing up" from 1 foot away, and they cannot hear you, even if you shout.

Whisper, "want to go down the park", and they hear you perfectly from the bottom of the garden:D

When they "bonus ban" a player, why LIE to that player by pretending it is some kind of "technical problem", what's the problem with HONESTY, just TELL the player they have been "bonus banned", and let them decide whether they still want to play without them, or move elsewhere.

It looks like they want the player to deposit believing it is a "technical problem" that will be fixed manually after they deposit, and THEN they will be told they are "bonus banned", when it is too late & the casino has the deposit, which they will THEN insist is played through x times before withdrawal. Even though they didn't follow through on the promise, they resist just giving the money back, since the deception would not only have failed, but would have cost them fees that they would NOT have incurred had they been honest in telling the player right from the start that they had been "bonus banned".

This BS is NOT new though, it has ALWAYS been an issue with Rival casinos.
 
I have tried 21 Grand Casino three times. I have used promotions once or twice of these times. I have never made a withdrawal.
Now I get e-mails from 21 Grand Casino with promotions frequently, but there are no promotions available in my account. I asked support why.

Same thing here, this is what I got.

Please wait for a site operator to respond.

You are now chatting with 'Stephane'

Stephane: hello

Stephane: how may i help you

ME: Hi, I was wondering why I don't have any promotions available

Stephane: one moment please

Stephane: we dont give free bonuses for your country

Stephane: I can anyway offer you 20$ free on slots

ME: ? you don't offer bonuses, but still you're offering one. what's the catch?

Stephane: sorry you re bonus banned

Stephane: for more information pelase send a mail

ME: but what's that 20$ free

Stephane: not for you

Chat session has been terminated by the site operator.

I mean if they don't offer bonuses to my country, why they keep sending those offers to my mail.
 

That was just down and out rude on the part of the CS Rep imo:mad:

Laurie
 

No sence in that is there, especially that they contradicted themselves n said 1 minute you can have the free chip, then the next "not for you" and then closed the chat.

IMO for years iv hated rival sooo much I could shake my empty tobacco pouch at them

Numerous times on the forum I have had problems with rival.

I remember planet 23 being the biggest BS in the world.

They gave me a signup free chip. I met wr, then went to cashout and saw their terms, with your minimum deposit you had to wager it 2x or so before you could cashout..... madness... even spoke to jenny nolan their rep about it who told me about it as well

No way was I gonna do this cause it could of meant losing money.

In the end I wagered the entire amount for fun... lost it all...

a few days later they changed their terms so you dont have to wager your minimum deposit

then a few days after that they told me I now dont even have to make a minimum deposit to cashout the no deposit bonus...

They made no attempt to rectify their errors and in the end when I asked lived support to close my account they ended the chat session... it was only after I got hold of a manager that they closed it

All "whitelabel" casinos I have played at have given me problems...

Vegas regal were poor a month back.. I won nearly $400. I asked that it was flushed and was NON REVERSIBLE ever. They did that for me... a few weeks later I still hadnt been paid... As I felt like gambling I stupidly asked support to reverse it... rightfully they should of said no since I asked before to make it so I could never reverse it... but what did they do?? reversed it and I lost the lot...

Since their free chips have turned awful, all I got was a $50 free chip with 66x wr and max cashout of $50.... great


Rival is just a waste of space, poor support, games that recently have been playing tighter than anything iv seen before, very very slow payouts, bonuses that make your cringe (iv seen some 1000% bonuses with 60 wr... I mean whos gonna be that stupid to claim it and have to wager through a minimum of $/£10,000 depending on how much they deposited?), even worse no deposit bonuses that have stupidly low max cashouts and heavy WR amounts... The crap where you can deposit via card and not be able to withdraw to your card (in fact you cant withdraw to any method at all unless you deposit via a method they payout to.... wheres the logic? if they cant payout to card and cant pay to another method unless you deposit using that method then they shouldnt be accepting card...or at least state it clearly on their page)


umm what else... Slow withdrawls... some are happy to pay out a few times with no ID requests, but then all of a sudden they ask for ID...

The list goes on...

I have dropped all rivals off my affiliate list ages ago... im sure this could well be the downfall they deserve
 
I have to say it is sad. I love Rival software and have had more withdrawals on Rival than any other platform. I've had a couple of very large withdrawals from RTG but not consistent. I'm down to 3 Rival's (Black Diamond, Tropica and Vegas Regal). I had my first withdrawal from Tropica the 6th of July. Part of the delay in getting docs approved was my fault (printer wasn't working for a couple of days), however, everything was approved on Friday night. The money was in QT Monday night. I hadn't had a lot of luck there (one time I couldn't find the cashout button:D) but this time I did and now I am almost even. Black Diamond pays VERY quickly (a day or two) and my first withdrawal was $900 from a $10 free chip. I'm not waving a flag or trying to promote them but just saying there are a few that seem to be trying.

Disclaimer (My opinion and experience only...this does NOT mean anyone else will have the same;))
 
I'm so fed up with the Rival bs ... Still have $3100 processing from OrangeGamez, since June 25th...not a word have I heard from them, and they no longer respond to e-mails. Their rep on here won't respond either...I don't care how much fun their software is, if they won't pay the few times I actually win. THAT takes EVERY bit of fun out of it....SO fed up with them :(
 


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