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Alexandre

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Ive discovered RoccosCasino.com (UK focused) 1 month ago while I was digging for SEO optimized casino websites.
In the beginning I thought it was a copy of the 888 software but after looking for the company who was behind the website, Ive found it was owned by Intersafe Global a sister company of Cassava Enterprises, the legal name of 888.
But the most interesting thing is that website and software are the first to be fully developped under Microsfot .Net language.
I was wondering when we were going to see this because its obvious that in the future (I wont list the reasons here), most of the casino sofwtares are going to be developped this way.
The website URL extension are .aspx and you need to install the .Net framework to use the software.
I feel that its a kind of experiment from 888 because there are few users who have the the .Net framework instaled on their computer and you need to download a huge file from Microsofts website to run the software.
Also the look and feel isnt as good as the orginal software.
For example, if you look at the slots, youll see for 1 second the final results of the spinning wheel at the moment you click on the spin button, before the reels start spinning...not very sexy.
Also if you use a 16/9 screen like on the 17 laptop screen, you wont be able to see the registration form properly in the software window.
It looks very buggy but Im impressed by this moove and by the SEO work done on this website....I wouldnt have done better myself and Im sure we will see soon RoccosCasino.com on competitive querries in Google.
On the other side, the name of the casino surprises me...all the people I've talked with about it told me the same thing: "It makes me think about Rocco Sifredi, the famous italian male pornstar". Not very glamour.
Does anyone know something about this ?
 
any1 knows if i have got signup bonus at casinoonnet, then am i still eligible for sihnup bonus at roccos?
 
Interesting post, Alexandre.

I think your comment about more widespread use of Microsoft.net language may be borne out by a recent report on the new Betfair development centre in Roumania, which noted that Microsoft.net was among the languages they were using to develop a new sportsbetting platform and improvements to existing products like poker.
 
I'm not too sure what this .net stuff is. It is an option that does not come with Windows, but I have found a few things that require it & have put it on my new PC - the first time it crashed!!!! Incompatable with Windows - WTF Bill:mad:
I tried again because I wanted to install digital rights management & "4od", which offers a selection of UK's Channel 4 programming, including for free the last 7 days or so of selected broadcast programs.
It is also required by the Grand Privvy companion (although not any more:p)


It's a big file, but with broadband and a decent PC it should be worth the effort for the future. It seems better to install it first, rather than let software try and pre-install it on finding it not present (this might be why I had the original crash). Once installed, Windows update will take care of managing fixes and upgrades.
 
I played this casino a while back. Its quite clearly rigged. I played I think 30 games, and lost about 25 of them. I then played some more, and it continued like that

You can try it in the play gaming, and it seems to have the same rigged outcone

It would definatly be interesting to hear from others, but this sftware seems unfair
 
Not at all!

They have nothing to do with 888, and there software is a clone of 888, but obviously the RNG will be different.

The software is their own, and once you play there, you will see what I mean

What makes you think the software is a clone ?
As I wrote in my first post, I've found out that RoccosCasino.com is "owned by Intersafe Global a sister company of Cassava Enterprises, the legal name of 888".
Maybe you have other information you would like to share with us but you just forgot to ?
On the other hand, claiming that a software is rigged after 30 games, without giving any further information, is just a poor statement I won't even loose time to comment.
 
I contacted them, and they told me they are not affiliated in any way to 888, how did you find out that they are?

You are right that I cannot say for difinate that it is rigged. I have played in many casinos, and having tried playing there and other reports that I have heard about them (other layers thinking its an unfair game), the games on BJ seems rather unfair.

It was actually 39 games, and I won 5 of them, I may have played a couple of games wrong, due to software problems, (ie you click a button, software doesnt respond, then you find out that the software has responded, so i thought i pressed deal, bothing happened, i clicked agin the cards game, and it hit for me)

I have the logs, and, which i can put up if required. The games dont even play and pay correctly

I cant say for definate thats why I ended I would like to hear from anyone else
 
What makes you think the software is a clone ?
As I wrote in my first post, I've found out that RoccosCasino.com is "owned by Intersafe Global a sister company of Cassava Enterprises, the legal name of 888".
Maybe you have other information you would like to share with us but you just forgot to ?
On the other hand, claiming that a software is rigged after 30 games, without giving any further information, is just a poor statement I won't even loose time to comment.
There is Global Intersafe and Intersafe Global.
http://www.roccoscasino.com/about.aspx: "www.roccoscasino.com & www.roccospoker.com are wholly owned by Global Intersafe Limited".
http://www.intersafeglobal.com: "Intersafe Global (Europe) Ltd. is part of the 888 Group".

According to http://www.gobignetwork.com/profiles/Karl-Joseph.aspx, the director of Global Intersafe is/was looking for funding, this would hardly be necessary, if the company were connected to 888.com.

The graphics on roccoscasino is similar to 888.com's.

My guess would be is that Roccos has nothing to do with 888.com, but is trying to create an impression that it has.

http://www.roccoscasino.com/about.aspx:
"we are proud to be licensed and regulated by the Government of Costa Rica." :eek: I can hardly wait to deposit all my money there.
 
This an interesting one I think.

Looking at the site design, colours and graphics, along with the use of the "Global Intersafe" name, one gets the distinct impression that this is related to Cassava/888.com/Casino On Net.

I wonder if that is not intentional to deceive players into thinking they are playing with a big well established company?

This UK-facing site is another of those Costa Rica "licence" places with ownership by Roccos Entertainment Group SA, a subsidiary of Global Intersafe (or is that Intersafe Global?) If it's a 888.com why would it license in Costa Rica instead of under the rest of the group's far more credible Gibraltar licence?

The processor seems to be Meta Charge Merchant Service working with Natwest Bank in the UK.

The software is described as " powered by Casino Corporation" which does not seem to lead anywhere, instead of the more usual 888.com provider subsidiary Random Logic.
 
When they opened the site, it even had 888, instead of roccos on the T&C's, however they changed that. It seems that when they cloned the websites, some things were still left in its place, hence it says they are part of the 888 group

This is my log from the casino. The first game is game 39. Look at all the games, and the bust rate is crazy. Also look how and who won, on these games

4, 7, 12, 29
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I will leave you to decide
 
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I have some concerns related to Random Logic software used by Casino-On-Net...

I’ve noticed that during the week-ends the win/loss ratio at Blackjack changes dramatically in favor of the dealer. I played last week and this week and from Monday to Thursday and things seemed pretty ordinary... lose some and win some, overall you end up where you started or slightly above. But from Friday to Sunday things begin to get a little crazy... Not quite like in uungy’s case, but still... the dealer busts less often... you feel from the very first 20 hands that you will not last long... 5 and 6 become 20 or 21 after the dealer draws combinations of 3-4 cards... he also gets lots of BJs and 10s... Last Friday I’ve lost 360 $ in 5 hours (3$ flat betting), yesterday 60 $ in less than one hour and today 20$ in 30 mins (1-2$ flat betting). The way things are going, the next week-end won’t find me playing at 888.

Maybe it is just a personal impression ... but I wonder if others noticed the same thing...
 
there is a big difference between what you zre claiming in regards to 888.

losing $20 in 30 minutes doesn't mean its riggec. its the hands that proove it. if you play BJ, you will always end up losing at the end


my post above shows besides for the unlikly chances (i can't say definite rigged) but after seeinb the payouts are completely wrong, I believe it is rigged
 
Two obseravtions about your blackjack hands.
Firstly you keep drawing and so often bust, there is nothing rigged about that.
Secondly a rule of any blackjack I ever played was that the dealer had to draw until they hit a minimum of 17, that does not seem to be the case here.

In any regard as has been mentioned the fact that they have bastardised the intersafe global name, that they are registered in Costa Rica, that the site has been copied, that the software is bugged, that they are a totally unknown quantity, the fact that there are proven reputable Casinos out there offering the same games means that you would have to be clinically insaine to want to deposit and play there.
Just IMO of course :p
 
Well except for the first few hands (as stated in my previous post, that the software is crazy when you think the cards havent drawn yet, then you realize you clicked hit) all other games have been played according to optimal strategy, so, yes I bust, but shouldn't have been that often I would have thought. But there again, it could have been a very bad streak, but the payout is completely wrong

One game I got 21, and the dealer got 20, and it shows a draw. Another game the dealer stood on 15, so 4 games out of 39, which have paid out incorrectly, dont say much about the software.

As I have said before, try the free games, and report back
 
One game I got 21, and the dealer got 20, and it shows a draw. Another game the dealer stood on 15, so 4 games out of 39, which have paid out incorrectly, dont say much about the software.
:eek: I wonder how this got past the tough Costa Rican regulators. :rolleyes:

I think this outfit should be put on the rogue list for having such buggy software.
 
Oh well, it must have slipped through! It only happens about1 in 10 games, so thts very possible, since it is so remote that it will happen :lolup:

I lost 500 trying out that software, and I wouldn't want anyone else doing so, thats why as soon as I saw someone thinking about it, I posted.

I dont think its bugged, it just wanst meant to pay out, so the software doesnt give a monkeys what the cards are. If it pays out on the slots it pays, otherwise forget it!

To their credit they gave me 25 back (the first time it went wonky) but havent bothered for the rest, may do so some time, but will get them to see this thread first
 

Both sites seem dead now, I can't load either casino or poker, but I can post just fine here, so not my end.
 
I got fooled so easily ! Sorry Uungy.
What made me believe it was 888, even if in the first sight I thought it was a clone, is the fact the website and software is developed with .Net.
You must be very confident to launch a .Net website today.
The 2nd thing is that their games are clones of 888.
Who would be crazy enough to copy MicroGaming, Playtech, Intercasino or 888 ?
Especially in .Net !
Usually, these kind of guys copy more unknown software like JackpotSoft did (their website is also down since weve talked about them here).
The 3rd thing is the Intersafe Global namebut as Uungy and GrandMaster said it, its not the same InterSafe.
From Link Removed (Old/Invalid) this is RoccosCasino's Intersafe:
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And this is 888's InterSafe:
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It looks like RoccosCasino has copied the games from 888 and as GrandMaster said:
Roccos has nothing to do with 888.com, but is trying to create an impression that it has

Finally, as Ive said before, I was impressed by the SEO work done on the website and I thought that nobody would spend that money and effort (quite a lot, theyve built blogs, bought links, directory and article submissions, all this done by professionals, etc) to promote a clone website developed with the .Net framework, which is, I repeat, quite a revolution.
I still dont get it.
There is something which doesnt fit in any of the scenarii Im thinking of.
But the fact the website is down, now that that weve started this thread is quite weird.
I think we really got something interesting here.
 
I have just recieved an email from them

:lolup::notworthy
 
Legal action in the Costa Rican juridiction ? :lolup:


Hit Squad:eek2:


Clearly, they are very keen to stifle discussion. What have 888 to say about this, or are they turning the proverbial "blind eye". I still remember the "Reef Club" issues, where 888 denied any connection, yet they used the same software, same support offices, same processors etc.... AND cross promoted each other.
When Roccos turns bad (publically that is), how are 888 going to counter the accusations of a connection.
 
Why are you giving 888 stick with all this

IT IS NOT AFFILIATED TO 888, AND THE SOFTWARE IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.


Well, earlier you posted

Not at all!

They have nothing to do with 888, and there software is a clone of 888, but obviously the RNG will be different.

The software is their own, and once you play there, you will see what I mean

First impressions were indeed that they were deliberately trying to ride on the reputation of 888, even to the extent of giving the company a name VERY similar to the processor behind 888. When this discussion was brought to their notice, they acted like they had something to hide, the site went down for a while, and they replied to you in a threatening tone, implying they were not interested in an informed/experienced player, but were specifically targeting the UK.

I can find absolutely NO terms & conditions for promotional chips, and the general terms have inactive links, such as the "prohibited programmmes policy" that goes nowhere, and the dropdown menu for phone numbers that trips a "denied access" from the web server. They also use a non-specific 0845 number that makes it impossible to work out where their support is based, and also prevents players outside of Europe from phoning them.
They claim to have been operating since 2005, so they should be over "teething problems".
I rather suspect they have set up shop to target the UK come September, when online gambling goes "mainstream", and could certainly attract some initial media coverage. New players will be lured in by what they see as a UK company (even has a UK company number), and they may not realise the significance of them being "legally regulated in Costa Rica". I wonder if they are "insured" there too:D

Better off playing at Palace of Fat Chance, at least we know HOW they are going to rip us off.
 
i will just run away from this site. downloaded the software, looks like a buggy software, it will freeze my computer, registerd for practice play and if i try to play bj, nothing will happen and graphics and interface is same as casino on net. just making me confused.
 
Hit Squad:eek2: Clearly, they are very keen to stifle discussion. What have 888 to say about this, or are they turning the proverbial "blind eye".

888.com have been informed - what they do about it is up to them.

It was nice of the casino management at Roccos to inject a note of levity into this thread - "legal action" LOL!

All in all, I'd say these fellows have just about qualified for a rogue listing - they've certainly earned a Casino Caution!!
 
No Problems at roccoscasino.com

I have played at roccoscasino.com and have thoroughly enjoyed it, there are a few things graphically that are not 100% but i dont think their games are rigged at all.

I think Uungy should really be careful about posting comments based on the small amount of games played, do you really think that after 30 games you can make the claims that you have.

Anyway i recommend it if you are looking for a casino with 3d graphics and a slightly different feel to the rest!

Regards
Cluedup :thumbsup:
 
Anyway i recommend it if you are looking for a casino with 3d graphics and a slightly different feel to the rest!

Haha, nice first post.

Anyway, I would not recommend anyone to download this software just to check them out, or in order to test for riggedness. Who knows what extra 'features' this software might have.

Rigged or not - those guys should be insta- rouged.

One question to the casino though (maybe cluedup can answer). Who is Rocco? Is this the official casino of Rocco Sifredi? :what:
 
Nice friendly attitude. Btw, if it is in writing, then it could only be libel, not slander, and the truth is a very good defence in libel cases.

Would you care to explain why the dealer stood on 13 in game 4, on 26 in game 7, on 15 in game 29, and why game 12 is a draw when the dealer had 20 and the player 21? It is so full of bugs that the exterminators should be called in before this software is released to the public.
 
Anyway i recommend it if you are looking for a casino with 3d graphics and a slightly different feel to the rest!

:lolup:

It's a clone of 888 !
Are you the same Link Removed ( Old/Invalid) ?
There is something I've mentionned in my 1st post but I didn't insist enough on and which makes me wonder about who is really behind this website.
I don't know if there is reports about that but I doubt that there is more than 20% of users who have downloaded .Net framework on their PC.
You can always develop alternative version of your software but RoccosCasino's software is exclusively .Net and it doesn't work on a non equiped PC.
Who can afford to say to 80% of their customers to download their software + a huge framework they've never heard of before ?
They must have a very very low traffic -> download/deposit ratio.
It's a big loss of money.
Strange...
 
Roccos Manager

Hi Everyone

I am Karl Joseph the Casino Manager at Roccos.

I was made aware of this discussion and thought I would comment.
I would like to state that we are in no way affiliated with 888 and we have never claimed to be. Secondly we are in no way affiliated with Rocco Sifredi and would not want to be!

Now lets talk about the issues posted here;

1. Our casino is not rigged and is completely random to show this our games are currently undergoing independent RNG TESTING
2. Due to the players concerns in this thread we have temporarily taken all games offline for testing and will put them back online as soon as we are sure that there are no bugs or errors.
3. The member uungy is a dishonest person and has been banned from our casino for trying to cause deception. He claimed his card had been stolen and that he was not in fact a registered member, when we produced faxed and signed authorisation forms to his card company, he had to admit the truth and his card transaction were upheld by his card issuer. We do not welcome this type of person at our Casino!
4. When a player asks for a withdrawl from Roccos, all are processed the same day without delays.
5. We are an independent Casino Group with the highest integrity and welcome emails to [email protected] regarding any issues any of our players may have.

I would like to emphasise further that we are an honest independent Casino Group and we address all players concerns seriously and without delay. If our software has showed some errors or if there are areas we can improve we would invite your feedback. We would like to work closely with our members and as an incentive to players we are offering 25 free bonus money and 3000 roccos points for every player who completes feedback about legitimate errors/bugs in the casino. Working closely with our members will allow us to bring you the most advanced gaming experience in the market.

Best regards
Karl Joseph
Roccos Casino Manager
 
Hi Everyone

I am Karl Joseph the Casino Manager at Roccos...
Hi Karl, and welcome to the forum. Would you care to comment on your player "cluedup"? Is this the same player who won on Treasure Twirl? If so, that's pretty cool :thumbsup:
 
Jackpot Winners

Hi

Our Jackpot winners list is dynamically generated from the database and I have just been made aware since checking your request that it was not accurate and contained errors which I was not aware of until now.

I have asked our webmaster to check the data in that form to make sure it is correct up to date and accurate. I will keep you informed of progress on that front.

Regards
Roccosmanager
 
So who is the player cluedup who posted here earlier? Is he a real player at your casino?
 
Player cluedup

We currently have no players but the username cluedup however, we did have a player by theat username in the past. Our database validates all users every month before we send out our newsletter, if a players email addresses returns an invalid code then we remove that user from our database the following month.

Best regards
Roccosmanager
 
We currently have no players but the username cluedup however, we did have a player by theat username in the past. Our database validates all users every month before we send out our newsletter, if a players email addresses returns an invalid code then we remove that user from our database the following month.

Best regards
Roccosmanager
Then who was the guy who was posting here earlier?
 
Cluedup

I am not entirely sure, my support staff had brought this discussion to my attention, it maybe that they had posted something or know the person who had posted this comment. I will find out about that on their next shift.

Best regards
Roccosmanager
 
So I am a dishonest pesron?

My credit card company claimed that I had not authrized the transaction, which was completely untrue. I told them that many times, however they are as thick as the ace of spades.

They requested documentation from you, and you provided that. If you would ask them for my full claim which I had sent in to them, you would clearly see that i claimed for the reasons below

Legally British credit cards have to refund on these cases

This is the reason of my chargeback, was as stated above. You can contact the credit card company with my full authrisation, and recieved all correspondence I sent in

The credit card company did not take my side, and they gave you the money back. I am in the process fo taking it to the arbritator, as I feel it was unjust of them to do such a thing.

It took you this long to sort out the problem, only once it was put on a public forum.

I contacted you via the chat complaining about the first problem with the gameplay

I got a response dated 05 Feb
Our technical team have tested the roulette rng and the gameplay from your account and have found no faults.
We have at present had no other complaints from players.

As a gesture of good will we are prepared to match your next deposit at Roccos with a 200% bonus,
we have also added 1000 Roccos Points to your account!

Which goes to show how you had checked into my account

I sent you an email later on the 5th (after I played some more hands You responded
You were aware of the errors, as I sent you an email about it however you took no action.
 
I am not entirely sure, my support staff had brought this discussion to my attention, it maybe that they had posted something or know the person who had posted this comment. I will find out about that on their next shift.

Best regards
Roccosmanager
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Cut the BS Karl.
You have STOLEN every single file of 888's software, same graphics, same lobby, same names, your software is a 100% clone of 888 !
Maybe someone who have both softwares (I have them but on different PC and I've never inserted screenshot on CS) could make screenshot of the slots for example, there is no possible doubts.
Karl or wathever your name is, you are just another f...... thief, spammer and liar.
I just can't understand how is it possible that nobody spotted you before I did.
You've 100% cloned the software of the n1 online casino worldwide !
What do you think your future will be made of ?
Digg a hole and loose yourself.
 
Jackpot list

I have just stated that our webmaster is correcting problems on the jackpot winners list. Changes are being made and as soon as it is corrected I will inform you here.

RoccosManager
 


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