Roshstein outed himself as fake?

[helafast]

Saw this earlier this morning. Not sure if it’s proof but very interesting.

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I apologize for posting a website, but in order to see any “proof” you need to see the videos.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Haha literally two minutes ago someone sent me the link to this.

Certainly got himself in a flap didn't he...

No doubt we'll have someone coming along saying it was a technical error blah blah. I've never had demo play show my 'real' balance though in 8 years of slotting!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Very interesting.

As Mr_Slot says above, I've never seen that behaviour at any online casino, ever. Since when does a real play balance carry over into demo play? Unless they're the same thing?......

 

[brianleeporter]

Haha he’s got nothing to say has he.

For once.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I feel a video coming on.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

If you look closely, you can see the exact moment he starts thinking 'oh shit'

 

[Kroffe]

If you look closely, you can see the exact moment he starts thinking 'oh shit'

He closed down the demo mode real quick when he noticed, haha

 

[dunover]

It's always been known he uses view bots, but I didn't know about fake money. The thing is, if the casino is providing bonus funds with a limit on what he can be paid in withdrawals, is it fake, real or somewhere in between? Or is this something else altogether?

 

[slotter999]

@homerbert explicitly stated in this forum that Roshtein uses real money at N1 casino (I assume he represents the casino in some way).

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[Mr_Slot5]

@homerbert explicitly stated in this forum that Roshtein uses real money at N1 casino (I assume he represents the casino in some way).

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As I said in another thread last week, some people would tell you black was white where money/business is involved.

 

[dunover]

Haha literally two minutes ago someone sent me the link to this.

Certainly got himself in a flap didn't he...

No doubt we'll have someone coming along saying it was a technical error blah blah. I've never had demo play show my 'real' balance though in 8 years of slotting!

I actually had the opposite happen at Trada once, where a fresh deposit on The Rapist was made, went back to the game recycled the balance via the button on the black bar and carried on, and about 2 minutes later I realized that somehow I'd been auto logged out and instead of playing £1.20 spins I was in fact playing 40p spin off of a £1000 balance the default demo setting! I only noticed because I had a bonus guarantee feature and thought how the **** can my winnings only be £4 off a £1.20 stake.....

 

[goatwack]

This will end up the greatest mystery of our times

Although as we know, Twitch itself is more bent than Right Said Fred

 

[homerbert]

Hey guys. Just to confirm - roshtein playing with real money at N1 casino. And from what I know - it's impossible to somehow show play money and real money. At least at N1.

Br,

V.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

I actually had the opposite happen at Trada once, where a fresh deposit on The Rapist was made, went back to the game recycled the balance via the button on the black bar and carried on, and about 2 minutes later I realized that somehow I'd been auto logged out and instead of playing £1.20 spins I was in fact playing 40p spin off of a £1000 balance the default demo setting! I only noticed because I had a bonus guarantee feature and thought how the **** can my winnings only be £4 off a £1.20 stake.....

Haha yeah that's quite a common one.

Whole different kettle of fish having your 'real play' balance open in demo though

Any normal reaction if it was an error would be 'wtf, why is my real play balance showing in demo' Not a look of complete fear and a quick close down of the screen as if to say 'oh shit' lol.

 

[Nordog]

Maybe hombert can explain what happend?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Has anyone got an account at N1 Casino they can quickly test this with? Just replicate what Roshtein did and see what happens?

1) Close Gonzo's Quest in real money play, make a note of your balance.
2) Open Rise Of Merlin in Practice mode, do you see your real balance, or a demo balance?
3) Open Victorious, do you see the same balance noted in Step 1?

 

[bamberfishcake]

Any normal reaction if it was an error would be 'wtf, why is my real play balance showing in demo' Not a look of complete fear and a quick close down of the screen as if to say 'oh shit' lol.

Exactly! I dont know enough to know what the hell is going on but I know a little about human behaviour and the body language says a lot to me....

 

[YouTubeSlots]

This week its all been going of. (Streamers Exposed DVD) Coming soon.....Also available in 4K

No but in all seriousness it makes me sick the lows these scumbags stoop to achieve monetary gain. Do these people even have morals? Seems not. As long as they can milk money out of the vunerable as quick as possible thats all they care about.

Most of these streamers are NOT even real gamblers but just people that jumped on the bandwagon when they realised how easy a quick buck could be made. Thats what really pisses me of when they try advise the viewer about casinos and slots when they themselfs have no clue what there talking about. Its obvious to spot the gamblers who stream compared to the scam artists that put on an act to fool viewers to fatten there pockets. I can see it a mile away within minutes of watching them. Just my 2 cents!

 

[YouTubeSlots]

Has anyone got an account at N1 Casino they can quickly test this with? Just replicate what Roshtein did and see what happens?

1) Close Gonzo's Quest in real money play, make a note of your balance.
2) Open Rise Of Merlin in Practice mode, do you see your real balance, or a demo balance?
3) Open Victorious, do you see the same balance noted in Step 1?

Already been done choppers, The guy who made the original article then made an account at the same casino to test the theory, did the same exact steps. And what a surprise didnt have the same outcome as our friend Roshstein did

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Yes I've seen that video, but for completeness I'd like to see the exact steps that Roshtein performed be replicated. If needs be I'll sign up to the casino myself and test it.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Hey guys. Just to confirm - roshtein playing with real money at N1 casino. And from what I know - it's impossible to somehow show play money and real money. At least at N1.

Br,

V.

So how did his balance stay exactly the same when he went from real money play, to demo play, and back to real money play again?

I've seen that before at any online casino. Ever.

 

[goatwack]

To be honest, I'd rather hear Playford's balanced take on this issue

 

[Mr_Slot5]

To be honest, I'd rather hear Playford's balanced take on this issue

 

[dunover]

OK, I've just watched the video (I knew about the viewbots a while ago) and it does seem pretty damning. I know streamers and vloggers get accusations, trolls, cynicism - that's all part and parcel of being in public view or providing content. The fact the real balance is carried to a demo game is impossible unless you're running fake software (this isn't fake) OR by design.

As you may know (not UK IP's any longer) I post video reviews and written reviews of upcoming slots and this includes putting in urls' for visitors to play the demo games. They have different codes from real play url's and the game server/aggregator cannot mix demo and real play up as a result, for obvious reasons.

I cannot see any other explanation here (I haven't got time to be more expansive right now as I've left a task to type this) but the fact the casino interface has been set-up to mean a demo balance can be transferred from slot-to-slot. The casino has the means to do this as you'll all know when for example they identify balances as bonus or withdrawable cash or want to load free spins into their system on certain games. This has all the hallmarks of a specially-integrated account set up for R********n for advertising purposes.

Obviously I anticipate more detailed information from maybe casino reps, @trancemonkey etc. who can explain it better than me. Luckily I have numerous contacts with many developers and they should be able to confirm the facts regarding this and explain exactly how this can be possible.

 

[Slottery]

This will end up the greatest mystery of our times

Although as we know, Twitch itself is more bent than Right Said Fred

For sure, just requested to have my Christmas holiday already to be able follow up on this more closely Was bit disappointed when while ago there was already last game money streamer thread, but so excited it wasn't

 

[dunover]

Has anyone got an account at N1 Casino they can quickly test this with? Just replicate what Roshtein did and see what happens?

1) Close Gonzo's Quest in real money play, make a note of your balance.
2) Open Rise Of Merlin in Practice mode, do you see your real balance, or a demo balance?
3) Open Victorious, do you see the same balance noted in Step 1?

Sorry, Kou beat me to it. As you may know, I've played over 10k different demo slots over the years for my work and sometimes if I re-open the DEMO game it will recognize a cookie or my IP and retain the settings/stake I had it on before I closed it, but I've never seen it happen across multiple slots.

 

[goatwack]

I've been logged out of Real Play after extended durations, only to reload other games in Demo Mode, if that helps.

Albeit this has never happened whilst highrolling to a livestream audience of devotees (yet)

 

[helafast]

To be honest, I trust @homerbert. He has given me no reason not to trust what he says. N1Casino is tip notch and one of my favourite places to play.

It’s always been obvious there were tons of viewbots on Roshteins channel but I don’t think anyone really cares about that. It’s pretty well known within the twitch community.

Roshtein’s change of demeanor is definitely the tell here. Now maybe his account is set up differently but is playing with real money, but the change in demeanor is definitely suspicious.

 

[dunover]

So how did his balance stay exactly the same when he went from real money play, to demo play, and back to real money play again?

I've seen that before at any online casino. Ever.

It's not possible unless a player ID has been integrated into the back end for that reason. It's possible that this is bonus money (which cannot be withdrawn ever) so isn't actually DEMO money (there is a difference) but it's equally as worthless.

P.S. It seems to me the 'arrangement' R*******n has with the casino hasn't been properly integrated - you can tell by his shock when opening the demo to 'prove' the 'real' funds wouldn't be there and they actually were. He expected his balance not to be in the demo and think about it - if you were streaming like he does you would anticipate some of the non-bot viewers to ask him to prove real play and therefore his answer should have been all tried, tested and ready. It seems he's been let down here lol....

 

[Mr_Slot5]

I've been logged out of Real Play after extended durations, only to reload other games in Demo Mode, if that helps.

Albeit this has never happened whilst highrolling to a livestream audience of devotees (yet)

Yeah that happens.

This was his real money balance being transferred into the demo version of the game though. As Dunover said, impossible.

 

[helafast]

@dunover on Caddell casinos while playing demo mode on blueprint, the balance carries over to each of game.

That’s the only instance I’ve seen of demo money carrying over.

 

[dunover]

@dunover on Caddell casinos while playing demo mode on blueprint, the balance carries over to each of game.

That’s the only instance I’ve seen of demo money carrying over.

Yes, it's possible and come to think of it even likely at the same developer's demo server, your slot details and setting are 'cookied'. I've had it happen on some developer's demos too thinking about it, I've had say a £50 demo balance on a Kalamba game, bought a demo feature, ended up with 10 quid left, opened another Kalamba and found I didn't have enough for a bonus-by as it retained the 10 quid balance - I then had to run crapcleaner to restore the 50 quid.

 

[dunover]

Hey guys. Just to confirm - roshtein playing with real money at N1 casino. And from what I know - it's impossible to somehow show play money and real money. At least at N1.

Br,

V.

Well given the shitstorm this has started, maybe you could investigate how this could have happened, because his bots aside, this looks highly, highly sniffy at best. Then explain it to us lot. Luckily I have a Dev contact at Play'n Go and know a few of them personally, so can run the explanation past them for confirmation.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Well given the shitstorm this has started, maybe you could investigate how this could have happened, because his bots aside, this looks highly, highly sniffy at best. Then explain it to us lot. Luckily I have a Dev contact at Play'n Go and know a few of them personally, so can run the explanation past them for confirmation.

 

[brianmon]

But if Gonzo was in demo mode, it would alternatively show the balance, stake and wins, and the words "Playing For Fun", at the bottom of the game, as all NetEnt games do.
So he's probably playing on some kind of test account

 

[irish-ranger]

Classic body language (shit I’ve fucked up) his behaviour says it all when he catches on what he has just done.

 

[Chipmonkz]

Excuse my ignorance im just a noob streamer.
What will happen to N1 Accrediation if this is proven to be a test account?
Also does this break any laws by doing this ?
@dunover

 

[dunover]

But if Gonzo was in demo mode, it would alternatively show the balance, stake and wins, and the words "Playing For Fun", at the bottom of the game, as all NetEnt games do.
So he's probably playing on some kind of test account

That's what I suspect strongly and it has indeed been said many times before, the account is loaded with not demo, but bonus money for play purposes that cannot be withdrawn. It certainly cannot be real money as the demo game he selected wouldn't have retained the balance. It is clear though that his account is not a normal player account and is an advertising creation for his streams, however they've set it up.

He won't lose many subscribers though as the bots don't give a monkey's.....

 

[EkJR]

Hey guys. Just to confirm - roshtein playing with real money at N1 casino. And from what I know - it's impossible to somehow show play money and real money. At least at N1.

Br,

V.

 

[paul7388]

Sorry, Kou beat me to it. As you may know, I've played over 10k different demo slots over the years for my work and sometimes if I re-open the DEMO game it will recognize a cookie or my IP and retain the settings/stake I had it on before I closed it, but I've never seen it happen across multiple slots.

Suppose some casinos could if they wished have a demo balance that stays the same next time you log in.

Ladbrokes MG casino used to do it. You played the demo left and next tie you logged in the demo balance was as you left it. Think you started with £500 and every time you logged in it was as it was when you left it.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

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[ChopleyIOM]

When I load this game in demo mode, there's a clear PLAY FOR REAL button in the bottom right hand corner. That is not visible on Roshtein's screen when he loads the game, despite the fact he clearly clicked on the PRACTICE PLAY button to open it up.

My demo mode:

Roshtein's 'demo' mode:

 

[dunover]

Excuse my ignorance im just a noob streamer.
What will happen to N1 Accrediation if this is proven to be a test account?
Also does this break any laws by doing this ?
@dunover

No laws here as N1 doesn't take UK players and has no UKGC license so is not subject to our CAP or UKGC regulations. A test account is an arrangement between him and them so no laws being broken as far as I can see. It's more an issue of ethics and how it's presented to the viewers.

As for accreditation, that's not my decision it's above my pay grade as they say. I can't see any rules against a casino using a streamer but there are rules concerning misleading advertising. If this is proven 100% to be the case which would be very difficult.

 

[trancemonkey]

There should be no way a real money balance can be taken in to a practice money game.

I am of course not saying that it is impossible. There may be a glitch of some sort, but I admit I have never in all my time seen a real money balance open in a demo game.

It is possible that the casino has his account set up to run demo games regardless of the link he clicks, and that the balance is passed to those games as his wallet amount. I dont know if this is possible or not, its just a theory - but his reaction (he doesn't seem surprised to see it, he seems nervous to see it, and then doesnt ever click another one) seems suspect.

I can't and won't say for definite that N1 is complicit here or that Roshstein is clearly fake, although my thoughts on him have been made clear before, but I will say that I think N1 owes a good explanation here (which they have so far failed to give, although I expect a "technical problem" reply).

Can someone else do exactly the same steps to see if the same problem exists?

 

[dunover]

When I load this game in demo mode, there's a clear PLAY FOR REAL button in the bottom right hand corner. That is not visible on Roshtein's screen when he loads the game, despite the fact he clearly clicked on the PRACTICE PLAY button to open it up.

My demo mode:

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Roshtein's 'demo' mode:

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There you go, a bespoke account integration for him at the casino, loaded up for him, with a few mistakes it appears....

 

[trancemonkey]

Btw, it is possible that it Loaded the real money version of the game and not the practice mode, given Chopleys post above

 

[bowki]

When I load this game in demo mode, there's a clear PLAY FOR REAL button in the bottom right hand corner. That is not visible on Roshtein's screen when he loads the game, despite the fact he clearly clicked on the PRACTICE PLAY button to open it up.

When Im logged in and open the game in Demo Mode I don't have the PLAY FOR REAL button. Not taking any site here, but that's not a proof.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Btw, it is possible that it Loaded the real money version of the game and not the practice mode, given Chopleys post above

He definitely clicked on the PRACTICE button to open the game, perhaps practice mode doesn't exist for his account at that casino so it always goes into 'real money' mode with the fake money bonus funds dunover alluded to above?

 

[Nordog]

Well if n1 casino would give a decent explanation, and not just he plays with real money i would appriciate it.
If its a glitch, i think its a serious one. If you expect to play with play money but a glitch makes you use your real cash thats a scandal. Can be many explanations, but without any explanation i think its safe to say roshtein is fake.

 

[homerbert]

Hey guys!

Love this thread

Once again, I can see all transactions in the system made by Roshtein, and once again, I can confirm that he making deposits, making withdrawals, making real bets.

Also, I want to confirm that it is IMPOSSIBLE to set any test account in our system which will use 'fake' or 'fun' money in real mode. It's impossible to manipulate the system in any way.

Why the thing happened in the video (made by casino daddy I guess, and I know they hate Rostein ) - I do not know and to be honest not really interested to spend my time investigating it. I know that there is no fake money with Roshtein, and I can prove it to any regulator / judge if needed. It's simple fact.

As for the thread - I think even such amount of posts shows how Roshtein is popular and even bad PR is still PR. Or not, I do not know, and honestly I think I can leave it to him personally.

What I should care about - N1 casino. And as a representative of this brand here - I confirm that all his transactions is real.

And if Max or Bryan will decide that this video is enough reasons to take away us from accredited - okay, we can discuss it and if all parties including Roshtein is okay - I will confirm and prove to Bryan or Max that he is playing with real funds.

But you can enjoy guys, it's Friday. And I'll better spend it with a beer

BR,

V.