Roulette Strategy

[davey]

Roulette is a game of chance but unlike most other casino games, the player has the advantage of only betting if the 'law of averages' are in his favour.
If you record number at land or online casinos after 1000 spins you will see that all numbers hit pretty much as often as the next. In my opinion this gives the player a chance to develop a successful strategy.

Sure, I agree there are no 'certainty systems' but there are many stategies one can use to make losing less of a certainty.

Most experienced roulette players will agree that in the majority of their roulette sessions there was a point when they were in front. The problem with most of us is knowing when the tide has turned against us and being able to quit whilst we are ahead.

That has been my challenge sinse I started playing online 2 years ago. I have a couple of lessons I have learned and they are-

(1) You must treat every session as a new beginning. In other words have an amount you want to win on the session. If it is $100 make sure you stop at $100. Don't think foolishly that this could be the day when you get back all the losses of the past 10 years!

(2) Stick you your staking plan. If you start to lose don't double up, and up, and up. A certain recipe for disaster.

(3) Probably a gamblers most difficult attribute to attain....Patience! You must have a strategy of some kind or you will lose for sure. Follow your strategy rules even if it means you may have to watch the wheel for 5 minutes. It should not be a problem with online gaming as unlike land casinos games are much faster.

(4) Another difficult strategy for all of us is also the most important and its to do with self control. Have a maximum amount you can lose in any session and stick to it!! It's taken me 30 years but I finally think I have have this one beaten.(well, at least most of the time!)

Another reason I like Bet Voyager is that you can take a certain stake into each game from your main bank at the site. Sure you can reload but it gives you a chance to have a think before you do so. Along with NO ZERO this allows you to have a real chance at actually winning.

Good luck and a lucky and happy new year to all.
Davey

 

[pokeraddict]

Roulette posts in the skill game section? Is there any game that requires less skill? Keno and slots require about the same skill....

 

[KasinoKing]

Most experienced roulette players will agree that in the majority of their roulette sessions there was a point when they were in front. The problem with most of us is knowing when the tide has turned against us and being able to quit whilst we are ahead.

This is true of ALL casino games. The other points you made were equally valid for other games, which is why I thanked your post. Great advice!

There are some forums which are just full of Roulette "systems" - all complete nonsense of course, because whichever way you look at it Roulette wheels do NOT have memories; ANY number can come up on ANY spin regardless of what has gone before, and wherever or whenever you place your chips on the table, your bet is ALWAYS exposed to the HA of the game. You can't avoid it.

KK

 

[Rick Deckard]

There are some forums which are just full of Roulette "systems" - all complete nonsense of course, because whichever way you look at it Roulette wheels do NOT have memories; ANY number can come up on ANY spin regardless of what has gone before, and wherever or whenever you place your chips on the table, your bet is ALWAYS exposed to the HA of the game. You can't avoid it.

KK

That's of course very true that Roulette wheels are without memories as they are true random giving mechanical devices, though davy mentioned at the end of his post that he plays at Betvoyager which doesn't have live mechanical roulette only software roulette. Realistically your playing against a near randomness generating computer algorithm (as with all online casino software games). with each result then being relayed to a 2D Roulette wheel and ball simulation, that said, it's possible the computer algorithm has a memory though unlikely. It does mean however that software results cannot produce true randomness results, only very near randomness results so much so that it's almost impossible to detect a difference through statistical checks of millions of collated spins.

As I play both mechanical and software roulette, I do observe more repeating numbers with software roulette (I put this repeating anomaly into Lost in Statistics) to which I don't see on live roulette. This could be due to many things like the fewer numbers that are spun and observed in live roulette as it much slower than software based roulette and maybe selective memory plays a part with the subconcious memory or it's possible algorithms actually do emit small runs of observable bias. Whatever it is, I win more at software online roulette playing for the repeats of numbers and that's my strongest skill/strategy along with some of the good strategy points davey posted like a proper staking plan and keeping control not going bonkers after a winning streak.

 

[SlotMonster]

Great post, Rick!

By the way, as for BetVoyager, it's pretty easy to check their RNG by yourself, because you are able to generate as many sequences as you want, and then put them into any analyzing tool.

 

[vinylweatherman]

The starting point is going to be an analysis of THOUSANDS of spins to see if there is any evidence of "bias" in the wheel. This can be the case with mechanical wheels, but casinos know this, and are ALSO analysing outcomes to check for it.

Online software is random, but software can also have ERRORS. It is possible that an error creates a bias in the outcomes.

It is easier to carry out an analysis online (no pitboss asking what the notebook is for).

Microgaming software even HELPS you do this.

If bias is found, you then need to calculate what effect it has on each number bet, and whether it is possible to create a bet pattern that produces a long term edge for the player.

A software cock-up has currently rendered Crypto Single Deck BJ slightly +EV by around 0.05% (dealer stands on soft 17, but is supposed to hit).

It DOES happen

 

[dazlazz]

When williamhill bookmakers 1st put roulette machines in their land based shops, there was a technical fault on the system, wherby you could track where the ball would land within a range of 8 numbers - this lead to a lot of people winning and getting completely hooked. Hills eventually realised the problem, changed the software and put an inbuilt house edge into the machines (about 20%) - seeing as these machines are not audited under UK gaming law - they can get away with it. Unfortunately those hooked are still playing and still losing.

 

[Jufo]

Online software is random, but software can also have ERRORS. It is possible that an error creates a bias in the outcomes.

It is easier to carry out an analysis online (no pitboss asking what the notebook is for).

Microgaming software even HELPS you do this.

I very much doubt that such "errors" are not deliberate as they always seem to favour the house. So learning which numbers come often is not likely to help as the patterns will change depending on what you bet on.

I have some doubts about the fairness of MG roulette, given how many times I seem to lose a bet on two dozens which in all fairness, should win more than lose. But it's not rare to see 5-8 losing spins in a row on two dozens and the ball seems to be really scared to land on a number that has a bet on it, so to speak.

Also, casino software Orbis Openbet has a warning of nearly impossible losing results on Roulette:

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. Orbis Openbet is the software provider for the games section of many reputable bookies, including Ladbrokes, so these bookies might take a risk with using a software that has a history of statistically abnormal losing results, because they have a lot to lose if they get caught.

 

[vinylweatherman]

When williamhill bookmakers 1st put roulette machines in their land based shops, there was a technical fault on the system, wherby you could track where the ball would land within a range of 8 numbers - this lead to a lot of people winning and getting completely hooked. Hills eventually realised the problem, changed the software and put an inbuilt house edge into the machines (about 20%) - seeing as these machines are not audited under UK gaming law - they can get away with it. Unfortunately those hooked are still playing and still losing.

I heard of that

They are effectively "Fruit Machines", which are prone to "emptiers", of which was the William Hill error.

The problem is that players probably thought it was their SKILL that helped them win, rather than an "emptier". They are hooked because they are trying to re-learn that lost "skill".

Unless they make the 80% RTP quite clear, they could find Trading Standards after them, because "life experience" tells us that Roulette is NOT a slot game, and should have an edge according to the paytables.

Where a game is "rigged", like most Fruit Machines, it is now required that a statement about this is on the front of the machine. These take the form "it is possible that the player will be presented with a choice for which there is no winning outcome", and, "the odds of winning are not necessarily those displayed", which is used on machines with a Hi/Lo gamble reel with numbers. This allows the machine to throw in "12" on an "11" more than the natural odds would suggest. Skilled players KNOW this, and more

 

[rouletteguy]

Don't even waste your time discussing roulette strategy on this forum go join a roulette forum .......I did. You can argue til your blue in the face betting 11 streets gives you an advantage, Most here will say nope it don't, YOu can argue betting 35 numbers is a pretty sure bet you'll win 1 or 2 times easy they'll say no you won't you can argue common sense cover 66 % of the board and triple up if you lose most times you'll win 3rd spin max and again you'll get a nope there's no winning strategy in roulette response. Trust me keeping roulette strategy discussions to a roulette forum is much more enjoyable and less frustrating. Do what works for you and makes it fun Most of the posters here love the slots.
As roulette players I hear you we like to design different strategies and methods of play in an attempt to beat the wheel I'll say this once It is super easy to put into practice a winning roulette strategy time and time again what kills you is time at the wheel. GET IN , WIN, GET OUT! I can do this time after time after time, So yeah put your definition on what's long term I consider winning short term repeatedly for the long term to be a long term strategy. But over here ...........Nope black is white and you ain't gonna change it.
Common sense dictates if you play a certain way and do it back to back constantly your gonna have a bad run if you employ progression it's gonna hurt so like I said take small wins and quit forget about winning all day every day cause it won't work. But you can win 1 or 2 times a day every day pretty easy.

 

[Sentinel]

Good post davey

Many people think ROULETTE Isn't beatable over the long term. This may be true. But I can tell you without hesitation, it most certainly is beatable over the short term. And the key is to play alot of short term sessions making small but consistent profits. As the saying goes from little acorns grow mighty oaks. And this thought should be applied to roulette. I have developed two strategies over the last five years that consistently beat the numbered wheel. AS LONG as you play relatively short sessions. You will profit. Over the coming weeks I will share these strategies with other members of casiomeister. I will leave you with some food for thought. How often do you see the ball hit any dozen four times OR MORE, to then hit another dozen four or more times straight afterwards? VERY SELDOM, Do some testing on that one piece of information alone. IT WILL AMAZE YA.

 

[StaceyLee]

Yay roulette chatter :yahoo: Great thread Davey
Gotta say I do agree with roulette guy but I am a die hard fan of this forum so I just keep waiting for little gems like this one.

Way to go Sentinel. I too have been formulating my own betting strategies for roulette, even given a pet name to my favourite so far: "The Famous Five". God that sounds like I need a life, when I actually only do this in my spare time when I'm not doing stuff with my kids or studying. Swear I'm going blind from all the number crunching tho - but it's all in a good days work and worth the pay off.

So I will certainly be one member waiting with a pos response to your techniques. Look forward to hearing some more. Thanks for your post.

Cheers
Stacey Lee

 

[StaceyLee]

Well I did a bit of research Sentinel and found you to probably be one and the same as Fender1000 on another forum.

I was able to read your strategies being the Zone, which you claim to use as your bread and butter; and the Crossplay 5.

I have modified the Zone strategy and started simulations and I have to say that so far I like what I see. Win $1k and lose $300 after every 100 sets is definitely good bread and butter cashflow.

I would be interested to hear more from yourself and any other roulette players if they care to share.

Cheers
StaceyLee

 

[Sentinel]

hello staceylee

Lol I am fender1000 but how did you find the zone. It is an excellent strategy but I tweaked its fundamentals to come up with what I consider an even stronger strategy I call "TWO OF A KIND". Like the zone it is based on covering the dozens, but instead of trying to target a winner between spins 5---8 as the zone does. We go after a pair of dozens. For example if we wait until the ball hasn't hit two consecutive dozens for 4 consectutive spins. We then aim to hit a pair over the next 5 spins. I have found there are less streaks that go beyond 9 with this or double figure streaks than with the zone. The zone is fantastic. But two of a kind has so far delivered an even better strike rate. Of course you will get streaks that go beyond 9 but its uncommon to get two in a row. And virtually unknown to get three. With the zone from time to time you would get something as follows 5,5,6,7,6,--10--12--09--7,6,7,8. See how long you'd wait to get that with two of a kind. And with my clause for stopping after two consecutive wins between 5---9 you could go weeks without a loss as I have done. Like the zone I always commence betting AFTER there has been a losing streak below is an example of TWO OF A KIND.

M--L--H--L--M--M=WIN
M--L--H--L--M--L--H--L--M--H--L--L=LOSS

Staking would be over five spins 1pt--1pt--2pts--3pts--4pts=total risk 11pts But like I say the strike rate for TWO OF A KIND might be one of a kind. Because with a disciplined approach of playing no more than two consecutive games a session you can go ages without losing your 11pts while racking up several more. I have a winning streak of 66 in a row without loss using this approach. Interesting?

 

[StaceyLee]

Couldn't agree with you more Sentinal, it's very interesting and compliments what I am working on at the moment with the 12's results. I tweaked to start at 5 misses; stop at one hit (hate missing out on the doubles but of course they certainly not consistent enough to lose win over); and end at bet 6 if no hit or break even (even though this is a 21 point loss it is minimal to overall win strike rate), then miss next trigger to look at avoiding streaks. I also pick all triggers even if the trigger started 2 hits before my last bet. And of course money management: set targets then stop work for the day.

I still have loads more sims to check out and probably tweak further, but it certainly shows a better strike rate than a lot of other strategies.

Finding a few good strategies and tweaking them in roulette is the same to me as a slots players knowledge of finding the right slots to play, knowing when to play, when to change, how much to play, etc. And although we don't have the pleasure of being one in a million to hit a jackpot, the consistency of wins with a good strategy in roulette adds up in the long run to be a jackpot paid in instalments.

Cheers
StaceyLee

P.S. One forum had the Zone details posted and reference to you, so I copied and printed. There were posters in and out of favour with it after the post but I didn't read too much further as I was only interested in looking at the strategy. I think because so many cons out there tout they have a guaranteed way of making money gambling, all skills games strategies are thrown into the pile of "They are all Crap and YOU WILL LOSE" and for sure there is a lot of crap in the pile. But there are players who are experienced, (and/or learning), to be past the gullible stage and realise that combination strategies, (as Davey and other successful, experienced skills games players state on this forum), can make for rewarding returns. So if something interests me I look at it with an open mind then apply research into as many angles as I can and arrive at my own opinion. As my "Famous Five" uses the dozen in conjunction with numbers hit over a set number of spins, I was keen to see this strategy and am having fun with my sims.

 

[Sentinel]

Absolutely!!!!!

Good morning staceylee just curious about a few things did you find the zone at the vlsroulette forum? A. please go into more depth about the rules/workings of the FAMOUS FIVE such as staking plan, strike rate etc, I am always openminded to new concepts. I used the zone for ten years until another member came up with the Crossplay 5 idea as a result of the Zone being posted.The only annoying problem with both of them was what to do with twin qualifiers, TWO OF A KIND has addressed this as you can only have one qualifier at a time even though you might have to wait a while for it. Totally agree we are making our money in small increments rather than one jackpot hit. PATIENCE is everything...Sorry meant favourite five...

 

[raj]

In roulette you are playing a random,skill less game with a built in house edge. Any half decent mathematician in the world can prove that such a game, if played fairly, is unbeatable (save for any software errors or phsyical bias in wheel). Roulette should be treated as a fun game you will have good times and win sometimes, mayhbe evn big, but ultimately it a game that you will lose at in the long term, the financial cost of losing should be seen as your payment for being entertained/amused.

The roulette machine in bookies shops also play fair, despite many rumours to the contrary. They are random and payout in the long term around 97% , as expected by the built in house advantage. They are not compensated machines and each spin is random and independant. As an ex manager for a big betting firm I have seen years worth of figures which show this to be true.

Everyone loves a conspiricy theory.....but sorry to dissapoint
1) No roulette system can ever work
2) Roulette machine in bookies play fair

Raj

 

[Sentinel]

Sorry but I do not share the mass attitude towards roulette being unbeatable. WHY? because I have been beating it for eleven years now. You mention longterm, that has always been the crux of. My argument. WHO SAYS YOU HAVE TO PLAY LONGTERM? My sessions are often over in less than thirty minutes and most of that time is spent waiting for qualifiers. Mathematicians don't think outside the box their thinking is rigid and logical.Therefore it has no real worth when applied to a random game like roulette. Of Einstein were still alive id make him rethink his take on the game.ROULETTE IS ABSOLUTELY BEATABLE over short sessions with an excellent strategy such as the ZONE,TWO. OF. A KIND and THE CROSSPLAY 5, DECODER 3 etc....

 

[raj]

Sorry but I do not share the mass attitude towards roulette being unbeatable. WHY? because I have been beating it for eleven years now. You mention longterm, that has always been the crux of. My argument. WHO SAYS YOU HAVE TO PLAY LONGTERM? My sessions are often over in less than thirty minutes and most of that time is spent waiting for qualifiers. Mathematicians don't think outside the box their thinking is rigid and logical.Therefore it has no real worth when applied to a random game like roulette. Of Einstein were still alive id make him rethink his take on the game.ROULETTE IS ABSOLUTELY BEATABLE over short sessions with an excellent strategy such as the ZONE,TWO. OF. A KIND and THE CROSSPLAY 5, DECODER 3 etc....

"qualifiers" ??? The wheel has no memory, each spin is completely independant, the results of previous spins and the results of future spins are in no way influenced by the current spin. There is therefor little point in having any qualifying criteria.

By the "long term" I mean that any winning session you have is purely the result of good luck, the cumulative affect of all short term sessions over a long period will tend towards a net loss of around 3 percent of tunrnover.

If you have beaten a fair game of roulette over the long term then either
a) you are very lucky
b) you have found a location to play your game which is not playing fair and random, has a bias , and you have exploited that bias

If you genuinely are in front and have been over a long period of time and are not in denial then I honestly wish you the best of luck and hope that it continues. But to so say the game is beatable is a mathematical untruth which I do feel the need to correct.

Raj

 

[rouletteguy]

Gotta agree with Sentinel when you employ a strategy in roulette you are betting that the specific sequence of events that will kick your A** won't come up. The more "demanding" that sequence is and specific the better your chances of winning.

For example say your extremely careful and play 11 streets BUT ONLY after a street has repeated 3 times and you then place your bets that that street will not repeat a 4th time so you leave that street uncovered. 99 times out of 100 that street is gonna miss and your up.

Yep it can happen that it'll repeat and you lose but more than likely it won't
This is a simple "specific" strategy there are better ones that look for extremely specific patterns before betting. but This simple strategy works for me regularily without waiting for a street to repeat just go in and bet the last 1 won't appear (repeat) and you won't hit a zero and don't be greedy. If you play this over and over a street will repeat and then your out 11 times what you would have won.

 

[Sentinel]

Yes Rouletteguy here are the results for a session I just played at Betfreds for the ZONE.

I always wait for a losing game before commencing betting. I was hit by two in a row but then came a lovely run of winners I quit once 2pts up

5,6,5,8,5,7,5,5,(11=qualifier)12=lost 7pts--6,8,5,8,8 finish=2pts profit,5,7,5,7,5,7,6,5

I quit betting at the end of game 15 even though I could have won more. This discipline is whats required to win at roulette you average 5 wins after two consecutive losing games.

 

[Sentinel]

"qualifiers" ??? The wheel has no memory, each spin is completely independant, the results of previous spins and the results of future spins are in no way influenced by the current spin. There is therefor little point in having any qualifying criteria.

By the "long term" I mean that any winning session you have is purely the result of good luck, the cumulative affect of all short term sessions over a long period will tend towards a net loss of around 3 percent of tunrnover.

If you have beaten a fair game of roulette over the long term then either
a) you are very lucky
b) you have found a location to play your game which is not playing fair and random, has a bias , and you have exploited that bias

If you genuinely are in front and have been over a long period of time and are not in denial then I honestly wish you the best of luck and hope that it continues. But to so say the game is beatable is a mathematical untruth which I do feel the need to correct.

Raj

Raj when it comes to the ZONE and TWO OF A KIND, what went before does effect what will occur in the near future, if you've studied the game as I have over the last 15 years you know there are certain limits rarely breached.Virtual limits if you like. Couple this knowledge with a solid strategy that delivers a consistent strike rate and ROULETTE becomes VERY BEATABLE *LUCK* doesn't even enter the frame STRIKE RATE is what its all about...

 

[Sentinel]

Gotta agree with Sentinel when you employ a strategy in roulette you are betting that the specific sequence of events that will kick your A** won't come up. The more "demanding" that sequence is and specific the better your chances of winning.

For example say your extremely careful and play 11 streets BUT ONLY after a street has repeated 3 times and you then place your bets that that street will not repeat a 4th time so you leave that street uncovered. 99 times out of 100 that street is gonna miss and your up.

Yep it can happen that it'll repeat and you lose but more than likely it won't
This is a simple "specific" strategy there are better ones that look for extremely specific patterns before betting. but This simple strategy works for me regularily without waiting for a street to repeat just go in and bet the last 1 won't appear (repeat) and you won't hit a zero and don't be greedy. If you play this over and over a street will repeat and then your out 11 times what you would have won.

AGREE totally I will say this again and again, there are certain limits rarely breached,find out what they are and you are on your way to beating the game consistently enough to turn a profit. And Btw Rng's are about as random as the queens parade. Tell me the next time you see the ball hit a number six times in a row or a dozen 15 times in a row on a live wheel They are predatory meaning they figure out your pattern of play and do whatever necessary to defeat you if your foolish enough to play them avoid at all costs play live wheels only...

 

[Sentinel]

Gotta agree with Sentinel when you employ a strategy in roulette you are betting that the specific sequence of events that will kick your A** won't come up. The more "demanding" that sequence is and specific the better your chances of winning.

For example say your extremely careful and play 11 streets BUT ONLY after a street has repeated 3 times and you then place your bets that that street will not repeat a 4th time so you leave that street uncovered. 99 times out of 100 that street is gonna miss and your up.

Yep it can happen that it'll repeat and you lose but more than likely it won't
This is a simple "specific" strategy there are better ones that look for extremely specific patterns before betting. but This simple strategy works for me regularily without waiting for a street to repeat just go in and bet the last 1 won't appear (repeat) and you won't hit a zero and don't be greedy. If you play this over and over a street will repeat and then your out 11 times what you would have won.

AGREE totally I will say this again and again, there are certain limits rarely breached,find out what they are and you are on your way to beating the game consistently enough to turn a profit. And Btw Rng's are about as random as the queens parade. Tell me the next time you see the ball hit a

number six times in a row or a dozen 15 times in a row on a live wheel They are predatory meaning they figure out your pattern of play and do whatever necessary,to defeat you if your foolish enough to play them avoid at all costs play live wheels only...

 

[raj]

I guess I am never going to agree with you "system" guys....all I can say is if you are correct then all my years studying Mathematics at University were wasted and the laws of probability are flawed.

Any paterns you see from past results in a fair game with a fair RNG are purely coincidental and will not affect future outcomes in any way shape or form.

The only way your "systems" could hold any plausability is if the RNG used wasnt truely random....which is quite possible I guess.

Raj

 

[Sentinel]

maths and roulette

The reason people steeped in pure maths cannot believe/accept that a well thought out strategy applied in a disciplned manner can best roulette, is your thinking is too rigid.You think purely on what is layed out in front of you.The layout, the house edge, the numbers.
Yes, roulette is random but at the same time controllable as to what limits it abides to consistently enough to be beaten. THE ZONE takes it to pieces and I DON'T PLAY RNGS. ONLY LIVE WHEELS. Rngs are not random end of story.

 

[lots0]

The reason people steeped in pure maths cannot believe/accept that a well thought out strategy applied in a disciplned manner can best roulette, is your thinking is too rigid.

Ya, Rigid like the laws of mathematics.

If your system really worked, why are you not not off spending all those BILLIONS of dollars your system generates? LOL...

 

[pokeraddict]

I'm pretty sure this entire thread is one massive level. It's a funny read though. Next we will discuss keno systems.

 

[Sentinel]

Ya, Rigid like the laws of mathematics.

If your system really worked, why are you not not off spending all those BILLIONS of dollars your system generates? LOL...

I make a living from it but you don't become a millionaire or billionaire from a betting system. Especially if you are drawing a living wage from it. (01) no casino is going to allow you to win too much and (02) my systems are percentage grinders not get rich quick scams.I love you sceptics,so beaten down by your own losing and what you are fed about what is and isn't possible,you dismiss everything without even paper testing it.

The. ZONE and TWO OF A KIND WORK if you run them properly accept small but consistent profits If you're lazy and undisciplined no way will you win.

 

[StaceyLee]

Just gotta have my 2 cents worth.

Randomness to some is in itself "a pattern". It takes a lot of work to define patterns, within patterns, within patterns, but while the casinos provide a framework with a minimal set of numbers and rules to work with, there is always a way to look for clues to the pattern of random numbers which "have no memory"; for those numbers that have amnesia are trapped within a pattern. Mathematics is a language, a framework that is manmade. Look outside the "box", look with another language and you will see a whole host of different perspectives. Mathematics is constantly evolving and taking new shapes and I thank God for our courageous pioneers who were labelled "crazy" for not giving up on what they saw with a different perspecitve, or we would not be enjoying the fantastic advanced era that we live in today.

The majority of people swim together in the same direction. However there are always those that stray from the pack and explore the edges of the stream. Upon returning to the pack they are instantly labelled: stupid, crazy, dangerous, etc. Something inside the wanderer goes against "common sense" and they continue to stray only to return with more information which usually falls on deaf ears. It is lonely for the wanderer as no matter how he shares his experiences, be they painful or glorious, there is no comfort given from the pack. It then gets lonelier for the wanderer for when the pack "lose", (that is the inevitable net arrives to scoop them to their doom), the wanderer is left completely alone to enjoy the benefits of his findings: until of course he stumbles across another wanderer and then they live happily ever after.

The moral being:

There are no "guarantees", the wanderer could still meet his doom by wandering into a pit of sharks, however by learning from other wanderers, dangers can be avoided. The pit of sharks in gambling being the cons who lure the naive into their hungry stomachs with false hope.

Paradise can be found by breaking from the pack and having the courage to explore. You wonder why those that have found paradise are still returning to the pack. The majority don't return, hell why would they. Some do, but will eventually cease to return for no matter how hard they try they cannot convince the pack to just try and swim in a different direction and avoid the inevitable net of doom. For to swim in a different direction takes more than courage, it takes energy, time and persistence to learn something new; and unfortunately change is something we as humans continually avoid.

There are those that make "so called billions" and of course they are way too busy spending it to be bothered returning to the pack. There are those that are comfortably living off their profits, but have to spend their profits to survive, (hence making a living from strategic gambling as opposed to a regular day job).

Bankroll balance and finding the "pattern" of knowing when and how to bet and when not to, is what determines "making millions" and eventually some bread and butter winners will be in a position to "save" some of their profits to increase their bankroll, which of course will lead to a bigger profit and bigger bankroll, which of course will lead to an even bigger profit and even bigger bankroll, until one day they too will never again return from paradise.

I do wholeheartedly agree with the protection the pack provides when they are advising a naive wanderer not to wander; for if the wanderer is choosing to wander from misinformation he will inevitably meet his doom. But there are those that have the courage and the "common sense" to research, test and attempt to find codes that fit the mathematical models that are provided to play with; without losing the roof over their heads.

It is insulting sometimes to hear the continual contempt directed toward "intelligent, responsible" wanderers who are having a lot of fun that is also financially rewarding because they enjoy the challenge of looking and searching outside the box; especially if you carefully listen to these people and hear them strongly advocate the golden rules of money management; not chasing losses; having the willpower to stop when the strategy demands it; etc, etc.

Strategy players are not all "stupid" that they need to continually be berated with the same tedious whip which says "you are a fool and you will lose". Maybe those that are doing the berating are just pissed at those that are winning in a different stream.

Cheers
StaceyLee

 

[KasinoKing]

I make a living from it but you don't become a millionaire or billionaire from a betting system. Especially if you are drawing a living wage from it. (01) no casino is going to allow you to win too much and (02) my systems are percentage grinders not get rich quick scams.I love you sceptics,so beaten down by your own losing and what you are fed about what is and isn't possible,you dismiss everything without even paper testing it.

The. ZONE and TWO OF A KIND WORK if you run them properly accept small but consistent profits If you're lazy and undisciplined no way will you win.

Very interesting thread!

Roulette generates a lot of opposing opinions in my head (and probably in other's too). The logical mathematician in me says "systems can never work long-term", but the logic of probability says to me that they should and can work.

I used to dabble quite a bit with my own systems way back in the last century (literally!) before I discovered online casinos, and for a short time online too. But in the end roulette was just too much of an emotional roller-coaster for me to stomach, so I quit playing it. One day, if decent casino bonuses for slots dry up, I may go back to the devils wheel and have another go.
One thing is for sure - it's not for the feint-hearted!

KK

 

[Sentinel]

Stacey I wasn't sure if you were having your say or showing us a chapter from a manuscript you hope to have published but I'm with you on the message
Sheep mentality,most. People are conditioned to think a certain way.If I tell everyone on this forum, make that the entire world that I can consistently beat roulette and there is a virtual AND REALISTICALLY workable limit in roulette that you can profit from. Not even one in a 100 will take it seriously.I. accept that such is human nature.

The ZONE was developed when I noticed that the majority of losing streaks for the dozens that went beyond 4, came to rest by the 8th spin approx 66% .The strategies real power and worth was realized when I found that while you could enjoy more than 15 wins in a row, you would RARELY suffer more than 4 losses in a row in other words A VIRTUAL LOSS LIMIT. Now no mathematician can explain that. But I sure can profit from it. So when I hear people say no system can work with roulette, the ball has no memory. I say that may be so but it does have a virtual limit.

 

[StaceyLee]

Yeah I tend to ramble when I get going. Have always failed in trying to say more with less.

I am happy though that the bee and the hummingbird do not understand English and so continue to do what the laws of physics and mathematics tell them they cannot and how they have provided these disciplines with another angle to work with. I also wonder when manmade mathematics became a religion and the laws of mathematics became GOD!

I consistently win using the 111 spin theory but, like any "job", some days this can be tedious and boring and/or I don't have the time to break even for a few hours before hitting the profit margin and logging out. Then there are the days when I have time up my sleave and I'm looking forward to spending some time playing and bang I've reached target in 5 minutes and it's all over - bit like getting the thirst after a couple of beers and finding the fridge empty!

Then my mind starts wandering into other patterns. And as we know, it is developing the greater strike rate in a betting sequence that has one pulling one's hair out whilst throwing away reams and reams of paper - like writing a manuscript, over and over again until the best one arrives!

Curiosity leads me to wanna peak at what the guy in the next cubicle is up to: has he cracked a better strategy; what would he think of mine; maybe talking and listening to other ideas will be a trigger for me to see the missing piece in the jigsaw of my current design; etc, etc. Like the famous five I am working on - sorry can't share a beauty with you in return for yours yet, as the optimum strike rate can take a while to reach and it is still too high risk. It is based on the 111 spin theory, (X amt of numbers will hit more than others), but modified to betting the last 5 spins of each 20 spins according to the dozens. The main purpose is trying to add a bit of extra fun to the 111 spin along the way.

Also by finding/discovering other consistent strike rate patterns it gives me the opportunity to keep playing when: a) one strategy peaks in a very short time and/or b) one strategy has reached loss margin for the day.

Ah I did it again maybe I should give up playing and become a blogger

All said and done I am very grateful for the shared info on this thread

Cheers
StaceyLee

 

[Sentinel]

I was only messing around stacey your input is appreciated.Would be interesting to hear about the FAVOURITE FIVE, when you are ready to drop it. I Intend to start a separate thread for the zone and 2 of a kind strategies soon. To give a full insight into how they Work, how good they're, posting my results so that others can see roulette really can be beaten...

 

[Sentinel]

staceylee

Obviously this forum has no room for anyone who doesn't stay in the pack and bow to everything. Thus Far written about roulette. to anwser your? Why I try so Hard, because Such is Human nature, So Many mathematicians say Something is so. All of a sudden the books Closed. Minds turn off.

I know there is another direction to tackle the game from. And with all this free time on My Hands have Made it my endeavour to Spread the word. This is only the Second forum ive Attempted it on in less than a year. Will try 10 more if I Can't Get One soul to See the light, I'll Let it go.

You are an open minded person never lose that. Never just accept what you are told about the possibilities. See you On the Next forums. Stay in touch if you want to. Take care...

 

[StaceyLee]

Thanks for the warm and fuzzy Sentinel, I do enjoy my choice of game and although I don't agree with everything or understand why you are so driven I do wish you well. Take care.

Cheers
StaceyLee

 

[bitchard]

"You can't beat roulette..." Yeah I heard that somewhere.... Even the almighty Einstein said "You cannot beat a roulette table unless you steal money from it"
Well, I agree that for most of the population, it's like a law of physics, come on, it's friggin Einstein! :notworthy
And then, there are individuals making steady profit at roulette, despite what mathematicians said. LONG TERM. I believe roulette IS a very hard game, to be beaten in long term, but it is possible! So my friends don't get discouraged by others saying it's not possible and find your way to financial freedom. You can see what I mean here
I am sorry, I am not going to comment, sell or share my system.
(videos are speeded up)

 

[Da_Gambla]

Obviously this forum has no room for anyone who doesn't stay in the pack and bow to everything. Thus Far written about roulette. to anwser your? Why I try so Hard, because Such is Human nature, So Many mathematicians say Something is so. All of a sudden the books Closed. Minds turn off.

I know there is another direction to tackle the game from. And with all this free time on My Hands have Made it my endeavour to Spread the word. This is only the Second forum ive Attempted it on in less than a year. Will try 10 more if I Can't Get One soul to See the light, I'll Let it go.

You are an open minded person never lose that. Never just accept what you are told about the possibilities. See you On the Next forums. Stay in touch if you want to. Take care...

Sure, I'm up for watching another thread get closed...

Sentinel, there is exactly one person who you are describing as closed-minded, and it's you. You act like you believe in what you're doing (I have my suspicions about that now. FTR, I truly believe you are an attention-seeking forum troll). That's all fine and dandy, but then you have started trolling gambling forums to tell people that your system is the way. Even though it's obviously NOT the ONLY way, and no more successful than any other sytem in that genre, you keep using double speak and all sorts of smoke screens floating around to avoid direct questions or scrutiny of either your logic behind it, or your random posted results.

You espouse a direct dislike and contempt for science purely so you can disregard any scientific tests to your 'system'. Again, you are just trying to create the EXACT environment where your method will exceed expectations, and you tell us if we don't validate your control surfaces, we are flawed.

You freely admitted in the other thread that you didn't come here to make any friends. In as much, you certainly succeeded in that goal. It's apparent that you also didn't come here with any intentions of participating in any threads not focused on YOU. You're not here to help anyone, you have no casino experiences that might benefit others with less. While none of this is criteria for membership, it does in fact make a better member in someone who is willing to stop talking about themselves for 5 minutes in order to help someone else. Therefore, your only purpose here is entirely one dimensional, and as such, you are the one who is narrow and closed.

If the shoe fits, mate.

- Keith

 

[Da_Gambla]

[..snip.. you can read it above..]

When Einstein made that quote, there was not electronic gaming allowing for 80-100+ spins per hour. You can make money from roulette, I have done it. It's the only game that I've ever walked away from with a sizable profit to be proud of.

Some of the more annoying people who are obsessively pro-roulette systems have started twisting what we're saying into thing we've never said. As for me, I've never said you can't beat a roulette session. Never said you can't earn a profit, nor ever said you can't earn a profit multiple times.

What I've said, and what is fact is, a roulette system based on patterns is not real. It's a belief system. You believe you're seeing something. If you win, you believe it proves your pattern or theory. It transcends a game of chance and becomes a religion, and we all know how discussions of religion ALWAYS turns out.

Unless you are some sort of savant, you cannot be a 'professional' anything inside of 2 years. You haven't seen the worst yet. We applaud your success, but 2 YouTube videos, nor 20 for that matter, really means much to the bigger picture. Grats on your winnings!

- Keith

 

[The Dude]

Obviously this forum has no room for anyone who doesn't stay in the pack and bow to everything...

I disagree - this forum has no room for scam artists. People who push roulette systems are scam artists exploiting this forum and their accounts will be closed. I gave you some slack over the weekend since I just can't be bothered with this. But all it will take is a few Google searches on your postings, email addresses, IPs, user name, etc., etc., and I'm sure I'll connect you to the "systems" you are touting.

You can then kiss your membership here goodbye. I've already warned you, so it's tough titty if you have no account no mo'.

 

[bitchard]

Unless you are some sort of savant, you cannot be a 'professional' anything inside of 2 years. You haven't seen the worst yet. We applaud your success, but 2 YouTube videos, nor 20 for that matter, really means much to the bigger picture. Grats on your winnings!

- Keith

I pasted my videos only for people who do not believe in a profit from roulette. You would be suprised how far you can go, when you play this game for 2 years everyday for several hours. Your understanding of things goes from shity "systems" like martingale to advanced techniques. I personaly don't use any "system". I play dynamicaly and just adapt to the table. But I am not here to teach my roulette religion, nor persuade people about "my way". All I wanted is just to contribute to the topic. Yes, I agree, 2 videos mean nothing in the big picture, but I am recording every game, test or real and all pro players should do the same.
Peace.

 

[vinylweatherman]

They don't seem to be trying to sell anyone roulette systems, which makes a nice change for a "Roulette system" thread

It seems to be the mathematical logic vs the human desire to see predictable patterns in a random, but fairly complex, system.

Live roulette CAN be beaten, but only when a certain set of circumstances coincide. Casinos know this, so continually move the wheels around, and rotate croupiers to prevent them going on "autopilot", where the outcomes lose some of their randomness.

RNG roulette, on the other hand, is effectively a robot croupier on an unbiased wheel. If the RNG is fair, the game is unbeatable.

Those who are making a living with roulette systems are either playing on a live dealer game, or are using the leverage of bonuses online.

The short term systems discussed are nothing more than disciplined bankroll management, as in "play, win, get out". Provided players know when to quit, as in "play, lose, quit", rather than "play, lose, sell the house", it is very likely that MOST sessions will end with a profit.

The scientific way to validate any system is to keep accurate records, and stick at it for many years. Forget theory, if the results of experiment contradict theory over a very long period of time, the theory needs to be reconsidered.

In 10 years time, it will be interesting to see whether the SAME people as now are STILL in long term profit with their roulette systems.

The same thing applies to slot systems, yet there has been a recent trend by casinos of calling out SLOTS players as "bonus abusers", and some players have even been told that they are "too clever with the slots" and banned. Even the OPERATORS seem to be doubting the mathematical logic in the face of contradictory results.

Even if these systems don't work, it is FUN TRYING to find that novel way to beat the house. My dad spent most of his life trying to find a system for the horses based on the previous results of each horse in a race. He often had systems that worked for a couple of years, consistently, but eventually they all fell apart, and he had to invent new ones. He died never having found his "holy grail" of a system to beat the bookies based purely on the daily racing pages in the newspapers.

 

[Da_Gambla]

If we can discuss this civilly, this is all good information for people to know. There's some inconsistencies with what you've said. I'll point it out, feel free to correct me where I'm misunderstanding you...

Keep in mind, I use roulette systems. Not because I think they work, but because it makes a meaningless game have a meaning, hence more entertaining while I'm playing.

[..snip..] Your understanding of things goes from shity "systems" like martingale to advanced techniques.

Martingale is not a system, it's a wagering progression. Systems pick numbers, wagering progressions dictate how the pick is wagered. Unless each wager is dead on first loss, every system has a wagering progression attached.

If I say play any extreme outside group (1-18, 19-36, Even, Odd, Red, Black at 1:1 odds) if it has lost 9 times in a row, wager 10 units, and if it loses, start over, then that is a system without a progression. If I say then, if it loses, add x number of units to your previous wager, then that's a system with a progression. A Martingale progression is extremely defined and rigid. Most wagering progressions are modified Martingales.

I personaly don't use any "system". I play dynamicaly and just adapt to the table.

Well, I'll have to disagree with that statement. It's impossible to play an organized roulette session without a selection process. I want you to think about the most ludicrous way you could place a chip on a selection or region and not use a system. How about we turn our back to the table, and politely toss a chip onto the table, behind our back and without looking. Random enough? Great. Except that's now a system! Any system ever devised has just took that basic idea and expanded upon it!

Whatever criteria you are using to 'adapt' to the table, and then wager, is a system.

To say you play 'dynamically' states you use a system. There is no way to adapt and change a wager from any selection or region to another without some criteria to dictate it. No matter what that trigger is, it's a system. Again, if the lady next to you coughs twice in a row, and you then play 'Black', that's a system. For most people, and I'm going to say fairly assured, including you, the only trigger available that makes any sense to the human brain (even though it doesn't make ACTUAL sense), is to use spins that have passed. Why? Well, it's impossible to use spins forward! Why, if we knew those... What other criteria exists? The game only sports numbers that have dropped, and numbers that will drop in the future. We cannot know the latter, so we're left with little else to work here with.

So at this point, we're not asking you to reveal your secrets. Just tell me honestly, do you make wagering selections on the past results? I certainly do. If you absolutely do NOT, again, without revealing ALL of it, please let us know what you do use? That would make for a vastly interesting subject!

Here's what I've come to understand about roulette discussions... using a system (as defined above) has had a stigma attached to it, and it has grown more pronounced since the information age has developed. Back in the 80's, roulette systems were sold out of the backs of magazines or the backs of station wagons on the strip in Vegas, and there were no Forums available to discuss or debate them. You either 'believed' and invested your bankroll, or you wussed out and just played slots all night.

Nowadays, people who use systems have started to try and obfuscate what exactly a system is, and after defining it to their satisfaction, they label their system - wait for it - not a system! Well, I believe we've taken care of that load of excrement!

Maybe people who say they do not use a system actually have OJ's syndrome and actually believe they aren't using one if they repeat it enough times... but they are. I think that more than likely everyone knows they are using a system, but are just a bit shy of the huge overwhelming tidal wave of brow beating they are going to endure. Instead, they use all kinds of polite and arbitrary ways to describe their system and then announce "but it's not a system!"

I don't bite. Care to discuss this?

- Keith

 

[bitchard]

I decided to not share my experiences. I was wrong hoping casinomeister is a good place to share ideas about roulette. This place is full of people blaming roulette players of selling systems and shit. I am not interested in being judged as scam artist after every of my posts. Goodbye

 

[BingoT]

Roulette Systems other thread.
I would love to see this Roulette System thing work in action.
If you plan a trip to Foxwoods or the Mohegan Sun please let me know so I can see it making the Roulette player a big bankroll.
After all this I may retire from my real job & get into Roulette.
I just don't believe in this stuff.
If all casino's had players that had a winning system all casino's would have to close.
Next we will hear how you can Win at Slots.

My concern is that newbies are lead to believe that Roulette Systems work. My experience shows that there are a high number of unscrupulous individuals that will exploit forums such as these to gain SEO rankings on key words (you don't necessarily need a link). Once in a while one of these guys will post the same thing in a number of forums hoping that people will either start Googling key terms or PMing him for further info. The end point is the Roulette system website that has affiliate links to whatever casino.

The way these system hype artists are making money is by convincing people to make deposits at these casinos, and he makes a profit from their losses. So much for a system that works

This is one of the reasons I'm pretty hard-nosed against "system" touting threads. Me no like 'em.

https://sussexmskpartnershipeast.com/forums/threads/confused-about-strategy-discussions.42313/

The Closed Thread On Roulette Systems
https://sussexmskpartnershipeast.com/forums/threads/how-to-win-at-roulette.42235/

 

[Sentinel]

I disagree - this forum has no room for scam artists. People who push roulette systems are scam artists exploiting this forum and their accounts will be closed. I gave you some slack over the weekend since I just can't be bothered with this. But all it will take is a few Google searches on your postings, email addresses, IPs, user name, etc., etc., and I'm sure I'll connect you to the "systems" you are touting.

You can then kiss your membership here goodbye. I've already warned you, so it's tough titty if you have no account no mo'.

I shouldn't even be acknowledging this scandalous post. I CHALLENGE YOU to find me selling ANY SYSTEMS. I have no need to do so as the two that I use ACTUALLY WORK. Ever thought about that? Don't worry I won't be posting anything else on this forum to your delight.

Some people want to stay in the dark, and believe outdated flawed maths theories. I will leave you there, good day...

 

[Pulver]

I shouldn't even be acknowledging this scandalous post. I CHALLENGE YOU to find me selling ANY SYSTEMS. I have no need to do so as the two that I use ACTUALLY WORK. Ever thought about that? Don't worry I won't be posting anything else on this forum to your delight.

Some people want to stay in the dark, and believe outdated flawed maths theories. I will leave you there, good day...

But seriously, good for you that it works. Have you taken up my advice to get increased limits to really start earning money? Or does the ZONE only work up to a certain betsize?

And is it really that wize of you to give away all the details regarding the ZONE? I mean, if everybody start using it, the casinos will go bust\roulette will be removed from the casinos. How are you then planning to bring food on the table?

 

[alkazam]

I guess I am never going to agree with you "system" guys....all I can say is if you are correct then all my years studying Mathematics at University were wasted and the laws of probability are flawed.

 

[petro]

Michael Shackleford says that anyone selling a 'system' is a scam artist.
Computer simulations show that no system will ever overcome the HE.

 

[spiderman]

When Einstein made that quote, there was not electronic gaming allowing for 80-100+ spins per hour. You can make money from roulette, I have done it. It's the only game that I've ever walked away from with a sizable profit to be proud of.

Some of the more annoying people who are obsessively pro-roulette systems have started twisting what we're saying into thing we've never said. As for me, I've never said you can't beat a roulette session. Never said you can't earn a profit, nor ever said you can't earn a profit multiple times.

What I've said, and what is fact is, a roulette system based on patterns is not real. It's a belief system. You believe you're seeing something. If you win, you believe it proves your pattern or theory. It transcends a game of chance and becomes a religion, and we all know how discussions of religion ALWAYS turns out.

Unless you are some sort of savant, you cannot be a 'professional' anything inside of 2 years. You haven't seen the worst yet. We applaud your success, but 2 YouTube videos, nor 20 for that matter, really means much to the bigger picture. Grats on your winnings!

- Keith

So which is it? You knock Bitchard but claim to win yourself. You can't grasp that he is winning within two years. I believe him more than I believe you.