UKGC gambling Review Announced; no more bonuses; Mandatory credit checks; 5 second spin times

[AndrewPearson]

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Online casinos will face tougher restrictions under government proposals to overhaul Britain’s gambling laws, but the majority of measures will be subject to further consultation, signalling even more delay to long-awaited changes.
A white paper, the result of a review

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, is due to be published on Thursday, after being

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[L&L-Jan]

Hahaha, this is too funny!
Mandatory credit checks? So the fucking retarted companies that do not so, are not being fined. The smart ass companies who do so, all got a fine? What is the added value of those checks? Jeeees....

I swear, the problem with all law makers is that those people are not operating in the field, they are sitting behind a desk reading peer-review-papers. Thats not science, thats academia!

Science relates to only people in the field with experience. And those should be eligible to draft laws and whitepapers. As a result now, the public and service providers will just laugh and hate those people.

Well done!

Let me leave this here, because this is what life today is about

 

[Jono777]

UKGC

Clueless.

 

[L&L-Jan]

UKGC

Clueless.

Hmmm dont fully agree, see Sweden or Holland.

 

[Reelsoffun]

Surely limiting under 25’s to rules not the same as over 25 is age discrimination? No? The uk has gone mad.

 

[Jono777]

Hmmm dont fully agree, see Sweden or Holland.

More of a frustration post Jan and apologies, I have little if any knowledge of markets outside of the UK

If I have to be totally honest one or two of their new rulings are sensible and warranted, quick example the blocking of deposits with credit cards was a good move.

However not so much when they ban auto play, slam stops, feature buys etc, SoW players who deposit £10/£20 a time who've done so without issue since 20 years ago lol, RG pop ups when you've been playing 10 minutes...

I'll stop here but also back track, maybe not totally clueless but far from ideal either

 

[mellody]

Just swiftly read the paper. Yes the UK Government has gone mad, the UKGC are useless and both are unbelievably slow at implementing anything. Also most of it has to go out for further consultation so even more delay. I know the worst of it will happen one day but I reckon by then, if the world keeps going the way it is, only the very wealthy will be able to afford to gamble...

 

[Mark_Lottomart]

Just swiftly read the paper. Yes the UK Government has gone mad, the UKGC are useless and both are unbelievably slow at implementing anything. Also most of it has to go out for further consultation so even more delay. I know the worst of it will happen one day but I reckon by then, if the world keeps going the way it is, only the very wealthy will be able to afford to gamble...

You’ve read the paper already?

 

[Jono777]

It is all "maybe" and "possibly" at the moment and a lot of water to run under the bridge yet....

However going on past experience and what we have witnessed so far, most of these "maybes" do actually get implemented.

I totally get that RG, AML etc has to be controlled and controlled well at that but all the nonsense that goes with it is going to see most UK gamblers either having to give up or emigrate

 

[kennygamerboy]

More of a frustration post Jan and apologies, I have little if any knowledge of markets outside of the UK

If I have to be totally honest one or two of their new rulings are sensible and warranted, quick example the blocking of deposits with credit cards was a good move.

However not so much when they ban auto play, slam stops, feature buys etc, SoW players who deposit £10/£20 a time who've done so without issue since 20 years ago lol, RG pop ups when you've been playing 10 minutes...

I'll stop here but also back track, maybe not totally clueless but far from ideal either

Man I miss slam stop

 

[Jono777]

Man I miss slam stop

Same mate.

Didn't do it all the time but if DoA was playing well, I'd start doing a few slams.

Totally know it makes no difference and it is coincidence but a few times the features and 5OAK seemed to fly in regularly using this "technique" where previously, normal spins had been pretty dead.

Remember like it was yesterday the one Saturday afternoon, I took £15ish up to £200ish on 9p-27p bets in about 30 minutes doing slams lol.

 

[mellody]

You’ve read the paper already?

lol no just the article in the paper!

 

[Video_Poker_Pro]

Hmmm dont fully agree, see Sweden or Holland.

What are you talking about we have it great in sweden (NOT)?

 

[jasonuk]

Naturally we need to see the full contents of the paper - but it feels like the industry is getting off fairly lightly, if anything the players are going to be targeted more?

• 1% levy on GGY (gross gaming yield) for responsible gambling campaigns - been discussed for ages, small price to pay and most of the industry agrees with it
• £2 maximum stake on slots for under 25s, higher for over 25s - they've been targeting young gamblers for years (after decades of promoting fruit machines to kids, it's a step in the right direction), it's not going to affect many older players but I'd prefer it to be reasonably capped (many sites cap at £10 anyway) subject to a check - if you're doing £40 or £80 spins regularly, you're going to hit all the other thresholds anyway.
• Measures to slow down games - feels unnecessary, 2.5 seconds already got rid of all the hyper-mega-super-turbo shenanigans going on from pragmatic and friends
• Looser restrictions for land-based casinos - ah yes, follow the lobbying money...
• Affordability checks - the early draft mentioned £1000 in 24h or £2000 in 90 days... that seems pretty generous, especially if it provides clarity to both operators and players (although how long before a casino offers an opt-in above £999/£1999 ? ), and stops malicious operators using documents as a way to slow/prevent withdrawals. There was a lot of pressure for this to be significantly reduced - even numbers like £100 per month were bandied around.
• Curbs on digital marketing (e.g. promotions offering free bets and bonuses) - this is really going to be a contentious one because we can see both sides of this, you take the promotions away and players will lose faster because average RTP goes down, but they have also been used to target players maliciously and coax them back into gambling. Hopefully the consultation steers towards cleaner marketing (opt in and opt out) rather than an outright ban.
• No changes to advertising - so we'll still be seeing shady crypto casinos on football shirts then (at least until the EPL heavily restrict it in 2026)

Given how long we've waited for this review, I think the industry will be breathing a sigh of relief?

 

[slot_zombie]

£2 a spin can destroy an entire wage packet in a couple of hours on a bad run , so how is this any protection for younger players. 20p would be more sensible.

I'm ancient and not short of cash, but I don't feel able to go over 60p due to the volatility.

 

[09237653]

So what casinos allow VPNs then? 5 seconds without auto takes the piss.

 

[brianmon]

You’ve read the paper already?

The paper is here if you want to read it

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[justdoit]

crypto casinos will make more $$$ well UK casino struggle to make £, great work UK GOV

 

[slot_zombie]

crypto casinos will make more $$$ well UK casino struggle to make £, great work UK GOV

This is how dumb the government is. They mentioned the black market in the review and announced that they will require internet providers to block illegal sites, as well as payment providers to prevent deposits.

Do they not realise we're all using a VPN and Crypto lol, good luck blocking any of that.

 

[AndrewPearson]

 

[justdoit]

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is crazy but losing £1000 a day or £2000 in 90 days per casino, do Gov know players can play in multi casinos at same time and lose £10.000 in 24hrs, and most of problem gamblers know all the tricks

 

[justdoit]

This is how dumb the government is. They mentioned the black market in the review and announced that they will require internet providers to block illegal sites, as well as payment providers to prevent deposits.

Do they not realise we're all using a VPN and Crypto lol, good luck blocking any of that.

I think Ppl in GOV are getting top money from Crypto casinos

 

[k6kaysix]

I know this is mainly a online casino community but I can walk into my local Admiral / Merkur...24 hours a day 7 days a week now by the way...load up the 'premium play' bag spins and easily do £2,000 through within 90 minutes let alone 90 days!

The staff usually solve all my gambling problems by asking if I want another drink...quite an expensive can of Pepsi

I like how the white paper claims they're still investigating the best way to safely implement debit card play for land based, here is some news you've been able to do it for months now by tapping your card on the ticket payout terminals to generate a cash value ticket of your choosing, and as for the 80/20 current 'limit' on B3 vs Cat C they've already exploited a sort of loophole in that for YEARS by just shoving some 10p play mini terminals in between the 500s that double up as a drink holder shelf

Crazy how you can walk into a pub these days and enjoy bl**dy Fishin' Frenzy with your pint to be honest!

 

[Mr_Slot5]

5 seconds spin time? It's clunky enough on some providers at 2.5 seconds, double that will be a nightmare.

Quite sick of the BS meddling to be honest. It's bad enough that auto spins have gone.

 

[dave1888]

5 seconds spin time? It's clunky enough on some providers at 2.5 seconds, double that will be a nightmare.

Quite sick of the BS meddling to be honest. It's bad enough that auto spins have gone.

battle buyins as opposed to winning the money on slots is getting more and more appealing now eh and then just turnover a 10 or 20 to meet the site requirements least that way you can quick spin spam and turbo to your hearts content.

 

[dave1888]

Even tournaments where there is extra incentive to win makes 5 secs just about worth it. ill spin less without these incentives, definitely.

 

[justdoit]

5 seconds spin time? It's clunky enough on some providers at 2.5 seconds, double that will be a nightmare.

Quite sick of the BS meddling to be honest. It's bad enough that auto spins have gone.

2.5 sec or 5 sec only in gameplay, but in bonus they add super turbo spin on ?

 

[shadow123]

At 5 second spins they can bollocks, imagine trying to get a feature on a NLC.Thought the idea was to reduce online playing
time.Waded through some of the report,purely academic approach by people who have never played a machine,wonder
how much it cost.

 

[Webzcas]

GAMSTOP's response to the white paper: GAMSTOP statement in response to gambling whitepaper

 

[justdoit]

GAMSTOP's response to the white paper: GAMSTOP statement in response to gambling whitepaper

she know all join gamstop and move to crypto lol, same time they are to many bad casinos with fake games.

 

[thebeast777]

If only the UKGC had just one senior member of staff who had the slightest clue how gambling works in reality. Here comes higher compliance staffing levels , It enables all the libtards at UKGC to keep themselves in a “ job “ and further RTP decreases so the punters can pay for the increased compliance costs.

 

[megadam]

At 5 second spins they can bollocks, imagine trying to get a feature on a NLC.Thought the idea was to reduce online playing
time.Waded through some of the report,purely academic approach by people who have never played a machine,wonder
how much it cost.

Imagine playing Bonanza on 5 second spin time. Dazza's videos will eclipse that of the LOTR trilogy just for a 2x bonus in a single video.

 

[AndrewPearson]

“We are encouraged that legislation will be introduced, allowing the Gambling Commission to apply for a court order as a last resort, requiring ISPs, payment providers and other service providers to implement measures aimed at disrupting the business of an illegal gambling operator. This will provide greater protection for GAMSTOP’s users.”

People will use VPNS. Nobody is gambling on Crypto sites directly from the UK.

 

[Lemon]

At 5 second spins they can bollocks, imagine trying to get a feature on a NLC.Thought the idea was to reduce online playing
time.Waded through some of the report,purely academic approach by people who have never played a machine,wonder
how much it cost.

Yeah, they can get to fuck with this 5-second spin time proposal. Just align it with the spin timings on land-based games, which it pretty much currently is already. Otherwise there will be a campaign to drop the AGC and LBO to 5 seconds as well. Honestly, the shite they are coming up with in these proposals is truly depressing and way over the top. Feels like they are trying to steer players back towards land-based gambling. I'd rather set fire to myself than set foot in an LBO. Horrible places filled with the dregs of society.

 

[Mouche12]

Actually, the Netherlands is not that bad. Very fast payments via bank transfer (iDeal), pretty good bonuses and responsive customer support.

Yes, there are quite a few pop-ups in relation to responsible gambling, and bonus buys are no longer allowed by the Ksa, but I can live with that. Fast spinning is still available, although automatic play has been banned. Also, all sites (as far as I know) have the highest RTP games.

 

[alcatraz]

Actually, the Netherlands is not that bad. Very fast payments via bank transfer (iDeal), pretty good bonuses and responsive customer support.

Yes, there are quite a few pop-ups in relation to responsible gambling, and bonus buys are no longer allowed by the Ksa, but I can live with that. Fast spinning is still available, although automatic play has been banned. Also, all sites (as far as I know) have the highest RTP games.

I took a closer look on how things are done in netherlands. I think they have found an appropriate way between player protection and freedom of choice.

 

[mack341]

Why not bring autoplay back if there is going to be a 5 second spin?

I think the gamemakers may have to rethink the bonus frequency, yes there'd need to be more dud ones paying little but at least you would get one before dying of boredom or rsi. [ mouse users ]

 

[Siohmy]

Bloody hell, 2.5 sec spins are only just about tolerable. On what level does 5 second spins make any sense other than to put the online industry out of business which, let’s be honest, is probably their end goal.

 

[bamberfishcake]

Fiona Palmer's declaration of gambling's increasing woes is a fine example of the nanny state mindset, which avoids dealing with problems and, instead, helps feed the saintly illusion of a regulator frantically firefighting a neverending evil for the benefit of humanity.

“In March 2023, GAMSTOP recorded its highest ever monthly registration figures since our inception in 2018, which shows that problem gambling remains a serious issue.”

If more people than ever are turning to GAMSTOP, then is it too radical to suggest the current approach, and the UKGC, is failing? Personally think she has some nerve showing her face, as well as the other charlatans, who fit neatly into the fail-your-way-to-the-top business model.

One could easily suggest that if we have more addicts, the policies and changes introduced by the UKGC to cut addiction are ineffective. Some might say they have made things worse.

Perhaps more education, individual treatment and support would be more effective rather than another revolving door of money fattening the greedy governmental monster of failure.

 

[justdoit]

Fiona Palmer's declaration of gambling's increasing woes is a fine example of the nanny state mindset, which avoids dealing with problems and, instead, helps feed the saintly illusion of a regulator frantically firefighting a neverending evil for the benefit of humanity.

“In March 2023, GAMSTOP recorded its highest ever monthly registration figures since our inception in 2018, which shows that problem gambling remains a serious issue.”

If more people than ever are turning to GAMSTOP, then is it too radical to suggest the current approach, and the UKGC, is failing? Personally think she has some nerve showing her face, as well as the other charlatans, who fit neatly into the fail-your-way-to-the-top business model.

One could easily suggest that if we have more addicts, the policies and changes introduced by the UKGC to cut addiction are ineffective. Some might say they have made things worse.

Perhaps more education, individual treatment and support would be more effective rather than another revolving door of money fattening the greedy governmental monster of failure.

how many of them join Gamstop to avoid UK casinos and move to Crypto casinos? Gov is ignoring black market problem, also problem with gamstop if you want to take like 6month 1 year off gambling when you start gambling again every casinos will target you as problem gambler coz you join gamstop

 

[justdoit]

If only the UKGC had just one senior member of staff who had the slightest clue how gambling works in reality. Here comes higher compliance staffing levels , It enables all the libtards at UKGC to keep themselves in a “ job “ and further RTP decreases so the punters can pay for the increased compliance costs.

I dont think UKGC has any power to change any gambling regulation, all changes was made by Gov (MPs)

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Fiona Palmer's declaration of gambling's increasing woes is a fine example of the nanny state mindset, which avoids dealing with problems and, instead, helps feed the saintly illusion of a regulator frantically firefighting a neverending evil for the benefit of humanity.

“In March 2023, GAMSTOP recorded its highest ever monthly registration figures since our inception in 2018, which shows that problem gambling remains a serious issue.”

If more people than ever are turning to GAMSTOP, then is it too radical to suggest the current approach, and the UKGC, is failing? Personally think she has some nerve showing her face, as well as the other charlatans, who fit neatly into the fail-your-way-to-the-top business model.

One could easily suggest that if we have more addicts, the policies and changes introduced by the UKGC to cut addiction are ineffective. Some might say they have made things worse.

Perhaps more education, individual treatment and support would be more effective rather than another revolving door of money fattening the greedy governmental monster of failure.

I’ve always said treat the root cause not the symptoms. Trouble is there’s too much hassle and expense in that…and that’s what things ultimately boil down to- money.

If the government was serious about attempting to eradicate addictive behaviour traits then they’d put more effort into mental health services and treatments. But no, it’s easier to set up a ‘regulator’ who sets increasingly demanding rigours of online casinos and then fine them for 7 figure sums.

I mean what the fuck does a 5 second spin delay achieve except for pissing the player off? It’s an action for action’s sake…it solves nothing and just damages the players experience and reduces the casino’s player base. It’s brainless.

It’s an utter farce.

 

[philderby]

Well, Like I've said on here before now because of the ukgc ive not played an online slot in comfortably over a year. Its saving me an absolute fortune as I started a good job 2 months ago and my head isn't in spinning slots mode

Plenty of other worth while hobbies out there to enjoy!

 

[gonzo fonso]

a few weeks ago i joined BETTI CASINO yes its offshore but its quite decent,deposit bonuses and autoplay,when will these new restrictions from the UKGC come into effect ?

 

[Video_Poker_Pro]

Well, Like I've said on here before now because of the ukgc ive not played an online slot in comfortably over a year. Its saving me an absolute fortune as I started a good job 2 months ago and my head isn't in spinning slots mode

Plenty of other worth while hobbies out there to enjoy!

Well, Like I've said on here before now because of the ukgc ive not played an online slot in comfortably over a year. Its saving me an absolute fortune as I started a good job 2 months ago and my head isn't in spinning slots mode

Plenty of other worth while hobbies out there to enjoy!

 

[justdoit]

a few weeks ago i joined BETTI CASINO yes its offshore but its quite decent,deposit bonuses and autoplay,when will these new restrictions from the UKGC come into effect ?

they not 100% on effect they just talking what could happen, if they go to effect maybe September, if you low stake player your over 25 years old no bad credit scoring, nothing to be worry

 

[Reelsoffun]

If they make it 5 sec a spin people will just resort to higher betting to try a quick hit approach so no help at all.

 

[bamberfishcake]

If they make it 5 sec a spin people will just resort to higher betting to try a quick hit approach so no help at all.

Then GAMSTOP will come out and say their registration numbers have hit record highs again and the UKGC need to take steps, and we rinse, and repeat, and rinse, and repeat....

 

[pinnit2014]

You'll have to be bed ridden to want to/be able to spin at 5 seconds a pop: i certainly won't be (i'd rather take a punt at a Crypto joint: DOA is bad enough as it is on 2.5s, no auto: x2 that and ugh....: that's before the horror of waiting on a BTG/Pragmatic bonus at that speed)

 

[mack341]

If they make it 5 sec a spin people will just resort to higher betting to try a quick hit approach so no help at all.

Aren't they going to block that as well, down to £2?

That's still a decent stake, but I wonder if cutting off higher stakes will concertina the maths [as it were], as you are literally not taking the same volume of money to time.