When you win a nice amount do you feel casinos lock your account down a bit?

[Savatage79]

So I haven't played tons online but I started around April and I've had a nice little run but noticed on two occasions a similar happening and my father almost having an identical situation.

I won 4000 bucks in early may, and I hit a cold streak that seemed unnaturally sparse, couldn't even get one decent hit... It forced me to stop for a few months.

I came back and all of the sudden I'm hitting again like crazy, won 1000, 1500 and then 9500 all within a very short amount of time and my father won 2000.

Since we've gotten our money both of us can not even work up a bankroll to 3 or 500 bucks. Can't do it. It's almost like the casino is slowly getting their money back. And I think that's extraordinary coincidental that both of us are having the same identical issue after winning some cash. If he was hitting still I'd then feel I'm simply on a cold streak. But we're both not able to do anything and it doesn't matter which game we move around to.

This is with bovada. But I'm curious if when someone wins they get lower percentage reels possibly, say normal 10% is the norm but when they tag you you're maybe at a 4% reel set to prevent really any bankroll building.

I dunno but just odd neither of us can hit after similar money winning circumstances.

 

[goatwack]

It does appear to be like that. I'd like to think that each session and therefore each spin is independent but I find that playing at one site continuously after a win sees a massive downturn in fortune, almost seemingly as if the money is being recouped.

Some sessions do feel compensatory and getting even slightly ahead is an exercise in futility, to the point of being blatant. I mean dead spin after dead spin with no bonus rounds.

Do casinos regulate this? Who knows. Do slots have a 'memory' that ties in with your returns? We'll never know!

 

[spintee]

I can certainly relate to that one,

It does feel like the switch has been flicked, There is alot on here after a good streak they take a break and reason being is what you in-counted,

Its a funny old game, I get a few hits than bang, take take take, its like 1 step forward than 3 steps back, As soon as your started the win than it drags it back and more,

 

[Harry_BKK]

You are getting it all wrong because you are forgetting one thing:

Losing on slots is the norm, winning the exception!

Hence, of course after some wins we will lose again. There is no need for switches or the like. How we lose, doesn't really matter whether it is with lightening or crawling speed, speak a deposit gives us some good playtime and 'hope' or not.

 

[goatwack]

You are getting it all wrong because you are forgetting one thing:

Losing on slots is the norm, winning the exception!

Hence, of course after some wins we will lose again. There is no need for switches or the like. How we lose, doesn't really matter whether it is with lightening or crawling speed, speak deposit gives us some fun and 'hope' or not.

Of course we all lose over the long-term, it's just how it appears during any particular session. It's the abruptness of certain gameplay, when everything leading up to it was pretty 'balanced'.

How can a game take you steadily from 20 to 60 and then go murderously cold?

That's the spike every slotter dreads and you can almost predict them with alarming regularity. It's as if that's the threshold for the game and everything else is downhill!

I'll have my purple tinfoil hat now please, with a little antenna by the left side

 

[Savatage79]

You are getting it all wrong because you are forgetting one thing:

Losing on slots is the norm, winning the exception!

Hence, of course after some wins we will lose again. There is no need for switches or the like. How we lose, doesn't really matter whether it is with lightening or crawling speed, speak a deposit gives us some good playtime and 'hope' or not.

But the issue with that is when it doesn't matter when I return or what time of day or what game after huge withdrawals I can't even build a few hits... Not massive hits, just hits that make it fun... For literally then hundreds of dollars.

Like I played enough of a few of my favorites slots to know hitting for 50 bucks, 100+, sometimes 600 etc... It happens a bit regularly but I still tend to keep rolling and can spin it away, that's what makes it fun.

But then after moments like this, day after day, week after week, hundreds of dollars I can't even increase my money once... Not once... And then my father who plays the same game has about the exact cold streak? It just seems to be blatant as said above.

I'm fine with losing, but the fun is when you are getting hits here and there...but when it goes this cold it feels its absolutely set to not let you enjoy any type of hit

 

[snotter999]

You are getting it all wrong because you are forgetting one thing:

Losing on slots is the norm, winning the exception!

Hence, of course after some wins we will lose again. There is no need for switches or the like. How we lose, doesn't really matter whether it is with lightening or crawling speed, speak a deposit gives us some good playtime and 'hope' or not.

Hehehe
This should be a sticky that you see every time you log on!

 

[Savatage79]

The thing is when time passes and pre money withdraws, the pattern is typically the same where I spin and win some, lose some, win some, lose some... My hits fluctuate and it's a game of cat and mouse almost but it's fun because my hits can be big and small. But it's been predictable as within 25 to 100 bucks I could generally build a bank roll. This is typical "until" I make the actual withdraw.

What happens after my clock out is I put 50 in and boom right to zero not even a small hit or bounce back. Put another 50 or 100 in, straight to zero. Next day same thing. Next day same thing, next day same thing...its like a blatant "hi, we're taking our money back now".

That's my issue with it currently and how it feels

 

[Harry_BKK]

Of course we all lose over the long-term, it's just how it appears during any particular session. It's the abruptness of certain gameplay, when everything leading up to it was pretty 'balanced'.

How can a game take you steadily from 20 to 60 and then go murderously cold?

That's the spike every slotter dreads and you can almost predict them with alarming regularity. It's as if that's the threshold for the game and everything else is downhill!

I'll have my purple tinfoil hat now please, with a little antenna by the left side

The thing is when time passes and pre money withdraws, the pattern is typically the same where I spin and win some, lose some, win some, lose some... My hits fluctuate and it's a game of cat and mouse almost but it's fun because my hits can be big and small. But it's been predictable as within 25 to 100 bucks I could generally build a bank roll. This is typical "until" I make the actual withdraw.

What happens after my clock out is I put 50 in and boom right to zero not even a small hit or bounce back. Put another 50 or 100 in, straight to zero. Next day same thing. Next day same thing, next day same thing...its like a blatant "hi, we're taking our money back now".

That's my issue with it currently and how it feels

You both are describing what i call the winner blues. Slots play is 5% luck and 95% psychology!

A slot is all but predictable. Getting to a sizeable balance or a withdrawal does not change how a slot runs. But the trap we players mostly fall into is one the winner blues and two that we play mostly the same slots.

- you made it from 20 --> 60: "oh, this is running well today, lets stay a little longer or increase my bets, maybe i am in for the monster hit today, i can feel it." ....you loose some of the balance and now you start chasing losing even more to the point where you think: "i might as well stay on it now, no need to change the slot, it should/must pick-up again" .....which 98/100 never happens.

- you won a sizeable amount and withdrew: a few days later you go back to the SAME slot thinking: "i should be able to do this again". You are even looking for similar patterns as in the previous session but of course it all runs different. Now your saying: "This can't be true, it is not the same slot, they rigged it to get the money i won back.... well, I'll show them I'm smarter, I will win again, lets put one more deposit in, i know it will run better soon" ....you pump in more money, get more frustrated, tin foil hat getting bigger and the will to win it all back as well.

Both cases end up in misery 98 or even 99/100.

And there is a good reason for it: A lot players have to lose, many even in a dreadful way with a very low RTP, for one or two players to get that run with 400-500% RTP. I have studied the VS battles and can give you the perfect example as it repeats itself over and over again:

--> Jimmy Hendrix battle (low variance slot, so you will win the battle most likely with a 250-300% RTP over the 100 spins and will have more than usual medium winners)

- 451 players registered and 438 played the spins
- total 43.800 spins played which is a good sample size
- 2 players at the top got past the 250% RTP mark
- about 14 between 200-250%
- another 100 between 100-200%
- on the low end over 100 barely got 50% RTP or less

So from 438 you have
- 16 getting a really good run, that is one in 27 or 4%,
- about 100 are in the medium category, that is one in 4.4 or 22%,
- the reminder of 74% are losers with some 25% really bad losers with a RTP of 50% or lower.

In straight numbers if you do 100 sessions, you should see 96% sessions that are really bad to OK and only 4% really good ones. Hence, the feeling that it runs bad comes up naturally as most of the time you will have a mediocre run.


And this on a low variance slot!! Just imagine how much worse these numbers will look for high variance slots like DOA!

 

[Savatage79]

But how can two people who had withdraws at approximately the same time, same online casino, get their money and both simply unable to hit anything whatsoever for the next few weeks?

That's the biggest thing. If it were just me then ok I'd have to say well I'm hitting one insane cold streak. But my dad who plays as well is doing the exact same thing, putting money in and it going straight to zero each and every time no matter the game.. How can we both virtually be experiencing the same exact thing and not one of us with a decent hit? The probability of that seems so unlikely of slots are truly 100% random or uncontrolled in some ways.

The timing is astoundingly coincidental as we both have recently withdrew over 2000 dollars.

I just don't see how 2 people on 2 separate accounts can have virtually the same identical experiences after a nice withdraw.

 

[chris87]

I hear what you say Harry and it makes sense, but I have to agree with what the guys are saying.

Over the years of playing and thousands of spins I did get the feeling that after a decent win and withdrawal things go a bit cold, especially at the casino where you had the win. I also found that if you took a break from a casino for a while your luck appears to be better when you return, especially if you've been away for a while.

I play regularly at about 6 or 7 casinos and the interesting thing is that they seem to follow the same pattern, that if your luck is out, it's out at all of them, or if it's in, it's a bit better at all of them.

I posted that the other week that for the first time ever on IR I hit 4 wild reels on the wild desire feature paying £3.5k. I did have a small withdrawal at the same casino (Leo Vegas) after, but since then everywhere I play the slots have been very cold. I certainly wouldn't expect to hit big again so soon after, but it does feel like the software provider is pulling their money back across all my casinos!

Yes, there is the psychology in play here, but there is certainly a pattern too.

Chris

 

[Savatage79]

I hear what you say Harry and it makes sense, but I have to agree with what the guys are saying.

Over the years of playing and thousands of spins I did get the feeling that after a decent win and withdrawal things go a bit cold, especially at the casino where you had the win. I also found that if you took a break from a casino for a while your luck appears to be better when you return, especially if you've been away for a while.

I play regularly at about 6 or 7 casinos and the interesting thing is that they seem to follow the same pattern, that if your luck is out, it's out at all of them, or if it's in, it's a bit better at all of them.

I posted that the other week that for the first time ever on IR I hit 4 wild reels on the wild desire feature paying £3.5k. I did have a small withdrawal at the same casino (Leo Vegas) after, but since then everywhere I play the slots have been very cold. I certainly wouldn't expect to hit big again so soon after, but it does feel like the software provider is pulling their money back across all my casinos!

Yes, there is the psychology in play here, but there is certainly a pattern too.

Chris

Interesting you mention this as I meant to add that not only do I feel cold at the casino I won money but every casino I try right now Is nothin but an instant cash sink. I thought well I'll dabble at a few others and I literally can't do anything anywhere... And I just find the whole thing peculiar. Do you think it's simply IP addresses they crack down on?

Be interesting to get a different ip address and go spin some and see what happens.

 

[Harry_BKK]

I hear what you say Harry and it makes sense, but I have to agree with what the guys are saying.

Over the years of playing and thousands of spins I did get the feeling that after a decent win and withdrawal things go a bit cold, especially at the casino where you had the win. I also found that if you took a break from a casino for a while your luck appears to be better when you return, especially if you've been away for a while.

I play regularly at about 6 or 7 casinos and the interesting thing is that they seem to follow the same pattern, that if your luck is out, it's out at all of them, or if it's in, it's a bit better at all of them.

I posted that the other week that for the first time ever on IR I hit 4 wild reels on the wild desire feature paying £3.5k. I did have a small withdrawal at the same casino (Leo Vegas) after, but since then everywhere I play the slots have been very cold. I certainly wouldn't expect to hit big again so soon after, but it does feel like the software provider is pulling their money back across all my casinos!

Yes, there is the psychology in play here, but there is certainly a pattern too.

Chris

Understand Chris but it is still all random.

Do you remember how many bad sessions you had prior to your big win? The slots were eating your deposits then just like now. It is always the psychological feeling of a slump after a big win or a number of good runs that drives our brain into tin foil territory.

I had in several periods between 2 - 15 withdrawals in quick succession in the past 2 years, even big amounts and it kept going for quite some time, mostly a few weeks. But i knew very well that it won't carry on like that, the odds are just against the player.

That it has similarities for 2 players is nothing unusual either. We know very well that slots go in cycles. Long losing ones and short winning ones. And since they even play at the same time the same slot i am not surprised that they experience similar sessions.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Interesting you mention this as I meant to add that not only do I feel cold at the casino I won money but every casino I try right now Is nothin but an instant cash sink. I thought well I'll dabble at a few others and I literally can't do anything anywhere... And I just find the whole thing peculiar. Do you think it's simply IP addresses they crack down on?

Be interesting to get a different ip address and go spin some and see what happens.

I do travel quite often to different countries, hence IP's are changing fairly often. Have not seen an "iota" difference on how the games play.

 

[Savatage79]

I get that probably no matter what I or we say will change your stance on it being totally random but I'm convinced still that "something" is different because here is why.... You mentioned sinking in cash just as much before, but the difference is that when I'm playing after a break almost every session is good fun. And it stays that way for weeks as long as I don't cash out. When I cash out on a nice pay day, my fun instantly turns to sheer annoyance.

It's happened this "exact" same way on two big payouts forcing me to stop for a few months. That isn't random, random to me is winning big money and then a few days later winning big money again or winning any money at all.. The way it currently is for me is once I cash out my slot playing goes so cold it makes me not even want to spin anymore. And that doesn't happen pre cash outs.

Pre cash out they spin 100% differently and I feel they know what's up, they aren't gonna just hand money out, they have ways to draw it back in I believe

 

[Harry_BKK]

I get that probably no matter what I or we say will change your stance on it being totally random but I'm convinced still that "something" is different because here is why.... You mentioned sinking in cash just as much before, but the difference is that when I'm playing after a break almost every session is good fun. And it stays that way for weeks as long as I don't cash out. When I cash out on a nice pay day, my fun instantly turns to sheer annoyance.

It's happened this "exact" same way on two big payouts forcing me to stop for a few months. That isn't random, random to me is winning big money and then a few days later winning big money again or winning any money at all.. The way it currently is for me is once I cash out my slot playing goes so cold it makes me not even want to spin anymore. And that doesn't happen pre cash outs.

Pre cash out they spin 100% differently and I feel they know what's up, they aren't gonna just hand money out, they have ways to draw it back in I believe

Oh no, don't think that. I too have plenty of tin foil moments, the difference is i gave up looking for a pattern because it drives you/me nuts. .... I go mostly with my gut feeling now, much more relaxed and enjoyable sessions.

And i certainly do experience similar things happening once in a while, patterns in slot play are common but never repeat themselves every time.......quite often i can predict a bonus round on a slot to within 1-5 spins and that goes on for a few sessions....and every time i will be spot on.... only for it to abruptly change again. Did the casino or game provider realize i raised my bet every time just before the bonus round and pushed a button to kick me in the b*tt? Who knows, but basically tin foil conspiracy theory.

 

[Jono777]

Here's another one for the tin foil crew (including myself )

I sometimes think (and almost believe it too!) that the slots are irrespective / irrelevant.

What I mean is (and I'm sure we've all experienced this a few times) It doesn't matter what game we play, what stake, how many spins we do, you will still lose.

Almost as if it is decided the moment we log in whether it will be a wining or a losing session, game choice will make zero difference.

What makes me think this from time to time (obviously more so after a winning streak suddenly turns cold) is that the odds for supposedly 'random' games to ALL be losers, despite changing games several times must be 1,000's to one!

For this to happen 5 sessions on the trot must be Millions to one.

These discussions, theories, thoughts will unfortunately 'haunt' us forever, the truth will never be told!

 

[chris87]

Interesting you mention this as I meant to add that not only do I feel cold at the casino I won money but every casino I try right now Is nothin but an instant cash sink. I thought well I'll dabble at a few others and I literally can't do anything anywhere... And I just find the whole thing peculiar. Do you think it's simply IP addresses they crack down on?

Be interesting to get a different ip address and go spin some and see what happens.

I note what Harry says about different IP addresses not making a difference, but it does make me wonder (multiple bonus abuse issues aside) whether this is why casinos are so against players having multiple accounts?!!

(Think my tin foil hat is firmly on now!)

Chris

 

[goatwack]

You both are describing what i call the winner blues. Slots play is 5% luck and 95% psychology!

A slot is all but predictable. Getting to a sizeable balance or a withdrawal does not change how a slot runs. But the trap we players mostly fall into is one the winner blues and two that we play mostly the same slots.

- you made it from 20 --> 60: "oh, this is running well today, lets stay a little longer or increase my bets, maybe i am in for the monster hit today, i can feel it." ....you loose some of the balance and now you start chasing losing even more to the point where you think: "i might as well stay on it now, no need to change the slot, it should/must pick-up again" .....which 98/100 never happens.

- you won a sizeable amount and withdrew: a few days later you go back to the SAME slot thinking: "i should be able to do this again". You are even looking for similar patterns as in the previous session but of course it all runs different. Now your saying: "This can't be true, it is not the same slot, they rigged it to get the money i won back.... well, I'll show them I'm smarter, I will win again, lets put one more deposit in, i know it will run better soon" ....you pump in more money, get more frustrated, tin foil hat getting bigger and the will to win it all back as well.

Both cases end up in misery 98 or even 99/100.

And there is a good reason for it: A lot players have to lose, many even in a dreadful way with a very low RTP, for one or two players to get that run with 400-500% RTP. I have studied the VS battles and can give you the perfect example as it repeats itself over and over again:

--> Jimmy Hendrix battle (low variance slot, so you will win the battle most likely with a 250-300% RTP over the 100 spins and will have more than usual medium winners)

- 451 players registered and 438 played the spins
- total 43.800 spins played which is a good sample size
- 2 players at the top got past the 250% RTP mark
- about 14 between 200-250%
- another 100 between 100-200%
- on the low end over 100 barely got 50% RTP or less

So from 438 you have
- 16 getting a really good run, that is one in 27 or 4%,
- about 100 are in the medium category, that is one in 4.4 or 22%,
- the reminder of 74% are losers with some 25% really bad losers with a RTP of 50% or lower.

In straight numbers if you do 100 sessions, you should see 96% sessions that are really bad to OK and only 4% really good ones. Hence, the feeling that it runs bad comes up naturally as most of the time you will have a mediocre run.


And this on a low variance slot!! Just imagine how much worse these numbers will look for high variance slots like DOA!

You had me until you spelt lose as 'loose'. Two brownie points deducted just for that!

I respect your point and expect to gradually lose whenever I play over extended play. But my personal observations stand and the abrupt nature of some slot play does feel like the lights have been turned off and I've been asked to close the door behind me.

It's simply a feeling and not based on statistical facts, and most certainly brought on by playing demon-variance slots almost exclusively

I'm due a good win myself and no doubt will revert back to common sense once my cold streak is over!

 

[Harry_BKK]

You had me until you spelt lose as 'loose'. Two brownie points deducted just for that!

I respect your point and expect to gradually lose whenever I play over extended play. But my personal observations stand and the abrupt nature of some slot play does feel like the lights have been turned off and I've been asked to close the door behind me.

It's simply a feeling and not based on statistical facts, and most certainly brought on by playing demon-variance slots almost exclusively

I'm due a good win myself and no doubt will revert back to common sense once my cold streak is over!

Sorry for the spelling mistake

Had that happening on DOA playing some CB. From 15 - 112 in 150 spins with low bets, up to 0.45-0.90 and it turned into the usual monster taking 517 spins to the next bonus round. By that time i was down to 24$ and it paid 6x bet

I knew it would happen yet i stayed staunchly as if i have to prove a point.

 

[lotusch]

What I tend to do is when hitting a big win on a certain slot at a certain casino to leave that slot alone for the time being.
We all have our personal theories and believes about how online gambling exactly works.
But yes,I do believe when hitting a big win on a certain slot, my personal RTP on that slot might be sky high and on the long run it has to come down to the normal values of 96%-98% ish, the average RTP% of that slot.

It might be a load of bull because maybe I can hit big again on it but I do not believe in that.

I do not and will not believe that any reputable casino here can tweak your personal payouts and/or change the amount of money that you will win or lose.
If that would be the case I would stop playing right now.

What I DO think is that gaming providers might save your IP address and when you would have a few big wins on a certain slot it eventually will lead to a long cold streak on that slot as that would be the norm, right?
Especially if you play at different casino's from the same casino group it makes me very aware of the fact that when having a 300% RTP on a certain slot at casino A might lead to an RTP% of for example 45% at casino B from the same casino group.

I had a monster hit on untamed bengal tiger at GUTS casino and because of that I would never play it at Rizk casino because I think my win is registered there as well in the background (same owners / platform / servers).


Maybe I am way off here, but that is my personal approach when playing online.

That said, it might be a bullshit theory LOL.

But I do hope people understand what I am trying to say.


Mark.

 

[goatwack]

I don't see it beyond the realms of possibility that the software providers, and not the casinos, have some form of data tracking present. It's prevalent in every other aspect of our online presence and the software itself is very simple.

Everything run from one shadowy server straight out of the twilight Zone that no one has any real transparency on or ever likely be able to analyze. It does all point towards the guy in the tower flicking the switch but it may not even be as easy as that.

In a multi-million dollar industry you'd expect some form of monitoring of gameplay, and what better way than via IP addresses? Much like any type of software AI can be altered to accomodate the player, so can slots. Hardcoded? Perhaps in B&M.

I find slot play to be less random but more erratic than anything else to fully convince me otherwise.

(that's the cue for NE to sort out that long overdue triple-wildline for me - cheers)

 

[Jono777]

What I DO think is that gaming providers might save your IP address and when you would have a few big wins on a certain slot it eventually will lead to a long cold streak on that slot as that would be the norm, right?
Especially if you play at different casino's from the same casino group it makes me very aware of the fact that when having a 300% RTP on a certain slot at casino A might lead to an RTP% of for example 45% at casino B from the same casino group.

I had a monster hit on untamed bengal tiger at GUTS casino and because of that I would never play it at Rizk casino because I think my win is registered there as well in the background (same owners / platform / servers).


Maybe I am way off here, but that is my personal approach when playing online.

That said, it might be a bullshit theory LOL.

But I do hope people understand what I am trying to say.


Mark.

Totally understand and totally agree, BIG TIME.

This theory has been proven my end numerous times. Won't name any casino but quick example..

Playing my faves and usual 'go to ' games (following a few back to back but small withdrawals) - Game after game, spin after spin, dead, nader, nowt, nothing.

Suddenly the 'penny drops' and I think 'Let's try a game I've never played before'.

Hey presto, as If by 'magic' ( ) I get a bonus, then a small base game hit, another feature, etc etc.

Usually would think little of it but happened a lot more than just the once and with others showing that they think this way also, then my mind really is starting to wonder.......

 

[Karri]

First off, casinos can't do any of this. The slots come from the manufacturers, and casinos don't get to touch their RNGs or anything else really.
Secondly, the casinos don't even care. You will lose anyways. Or if you don't someone else will. That's how casinos work. It has nothing to do with individual players*, and everything to do with house edge and RTP.
Thirdly, you have selective memory. Now this one is the hardest for people to accept. Most people wont believe that they haven't lost 50 consecutive spins even when shown the data proving otherwise. Easier to believe in conspiracies and whatnot. Especially small wins go completely unregistered for most players.


*The most they will do is encourage you to deposit more and play more...because that is how you lose.

 

[goatwack]

Totally understand and totally agree, BIG TIME.

This theory has been proven my end numerous times. Won't name any casino but quick example..

Playing my faves and usual 'go to ' games (following a few back to back but small withdrawals) - Game after game, spin after spin, dead, nader, nowt, nothing.

Suddenly the 'penny drops' and I think 'Let's try a game I've never played before'.

Hey presto, as If by 'magic' ( ) I get a bonus, then a small base game hit, another feature, etc etc.

Usually would think little of it but happened a lot more than just the once and with others showing that they think this way also, then my mind really is starting to wonder.......

Your delusional ramblings are of the highest tinfoil order.

But nowhere near my tinfoil status. That shit takes practice! I'm at level Tinfoil Centurion III

 

[Savatage79]

First off, casinos can't do any of this. The slots come from the manufacturers, and casinos don't get to touch their RNGs or anything else really.
Secondly, the casinos don't even care. You will lose anyways. Or if you don't someone else will. That's how casinos work. It has nothing to do with individual players*, and everything to do with house edge and RTP.
Thirdly, you have selective memory. Now this one is the hardest for people to accept. Most people wont believe that they haven't lost 50 consecutive spins even when shown the data proving otherwise. Easier to believe in conspiracies and whatnot. Especially small wins go completely unregistered for most players.


*The most they will do is encourage you to deposit more and play more...because that is how you lose.

But see Its not selective memory as I know I lose a lot, meaning , there are many times I can rack up bucks and burn it back down and then thing wow I'm an idiot. That happens a ton of times. The thing that makes it fun is I will make gains, I sit and after 50 to 100 or 150 bucks I'll at some point go up and start getting some hits which is what makes it fun even tho I spin many losses. It's the overall feel of the sessions that change dramatically. Even when I'm losing money but getting nice hits I'm having fun.

But we're talking drastic, absolutely drastic turn around and not just for me but for 2 people in this particular situation which is something that nobody is sort of addressing.

My father and I play and win some money and have numerous times now and each time when we clock out after a big one we "both" go absolutely dry to where we don't even want to play anymore. That just seems way past the idea of random to me.

 

[rena35]

I will say yes and then wait quietly for my tin foil hat.

 

[Karri]

But see Its not selective memory as I know I lose a lot, meaning , there are many times I can rack up bucks and burn it back down and then thing wow I'm an idiot. That happens a ton of times. The thing that makes it fun is I will make gains, I sit and after 50 to 100 or 150 bucks I'll at some point go up and start getting some hits which is what makes it fun even tho I spin many losses. It's the overall feel of the sessions that change dramatically. Even when I'm losing money but getting nice hits I'm having fun.

But we're talking drastic, absolutely drastic turn around and not just for me but for 2 people in this particular situation which is something that nobody is sort of addressing.

My father and I play and win some money and have numerous times now and each time when we clock out after a big one we "both" go absolutely dry to where we don't even want to play anymore. That just seems way past the idea of random to me.

I think it's actually quite likely that those drastic turns happen. Just like you can get several big wins in a few spins you can get long streaks with no big wins at all. The main issue here is that you are probably getting a lot of small wins(this is where the selective memory comes in, as we'd need data to figure out what's really happening). This is why I hate slots with small wins, as they are pointless, and IMO only designed so that playing wears down your bankroll; you'll get plenty of small wins to fill in the RTP but never land a big win.

I am not saying that this is not possible, of course it is. Just completely unlikely, no casino could keep it a secret and none of them would escape the mark of rogue for long. When I was working in poker support this was quite a common myth as well, even with poker professionals who know that sometimes you just hit absolutely incredible losing streaks.

 

[BrianGhattas]

Harry_BKK said it.

Of course, in my case the slots are always cold except for the occasional mega win in Dead or Alive. I'm still waiting for a big win on Rigdrasil slots. I won $676 in Bet Victor at the end of February but every other deposit there since has been a bust but I have only made 5 cashouts from 22 deposits at VSO so that theory is out the window.

 

[Savatage79]

I think the fact that I was able to predict the behavior is still what gets me. When I cashed out I told my wife watch it'll go cold as hell and sure enough it did. I just don't like that, bothers me in a way.

And if I take a break for a month and return and then bam I'm hitting and having fun again and I'm able to call that still just would seem fishy

 

[SlotGrinder]

First off, casinos can't do any of this. The slots come from the manufacturers, and casinos don't get to touch their RNGs or anything else really.
Secondly, the casinos don't even care. You will lose anyways. Or if you don't someone else will. That's how casinos work. It has nothing to do with individual players*, and everything to do with house edge and RTP.
Thirdly, you have selective memory. Now this one is the hardest for people to accept. Most people wont believe that they haven't lost 50 consecutive spins even when shown the data proving otherwise. Easier to believe in conspiracies and whatnot. Especially small wins go completely unregistered for most players.


*The most they will do is encourage you to deposit more and play more...because that is how you lose.

Thankyou for talking sense

 

[SlotGrinder]

I think it's actually quite likely that those drastic turns happen. Just like you can get several big wins in a few spins you can get long streaks with no big wins at all. The main issue here is that you are probably getting a lot of small wins(this is where the selective memory comes in, as we'd need data to figure out what's really happening). This is why I hate slots with small wins, as they are pointless, and IMO only designed so that playing wears down your bankroll; you'll get plenty of small wins to fill in the RTP but never land a big win.

I am not saying that this is not possible, of course it is. Just completely unlikely, no casino could keep it a secret and none of them would escape the mark of rogue for long. When I was working in poker support this was quite a common myth as well, even with poker professionals who know that sometimes you just hit absolutely incredible losing streaks.

Yes I play poker tournaments for a living and I have had every conceivable "pattern" happen to me from consistent big wins to losing for months on end to steadily winning to winning a lot then losing it all back etc etc . Luckily poker has a skill element so my winnings graph gradually goes up but there are a LOT of swings on the way

People don't appreciate that randomness can produce any pattern , not just the patterns that look "random" . You can flip a coin and get 20 heads in a row or you can get 2 heads 1 tail 2 heads 1 tail 2 heads 1 tail etc etc or you can get 1 head 1 tail 2 heads 1 tail 3 heads 2 tails 1 head 1 tail . Most people are going to describe the last pattern as random and the first 2 as not random at all

 

[Savatage79]

Yes I play poker tournaments for a living and I have had every conceivable "pattern" happen to me from consistent big wins to losing for months on end to steadily winning to winning a lot then losing it all back etc etc . Luckily poker has a skill element so my winnings graph gradually goes up but there are a LOT of swings on the way

People don't appreciate that randomness can produce any pattern , not just the patterns that look "random" . You can flip a coin and get 20 heads in a row or you can get 2 heads 1 tail 2 heads 1 tail 2 heads 1 tail etc etc or you can get 1 head 1 tail 2 heads 1 tail 3 heads 2 tails 1 head 1 tail . Most people are going to describe the last pattern as random and the first 2 as not random at all

But what are the chances that two people say hey did you go completely cold to the point of wanting to walk away after a cash out? I don't understand how that coincidence can happen to such identical nature. You either win or lose in slots, we both cash out and now both 700 to 1000 deep without a single good run at the same identical time for the most part? I just feel that's not random more or less a lock down, not saying they are controlling the spins. Like sure one of us could still have a huge hit but the chances maybe normally are 8%, now they're 3%..is how it feels.

But I totally understand the points some are making on randomness but I still can't help but feel they're underestimating people to know what's fun and what isn't. The way slots typically are for me online are great fun, up and down, but once the cash out happens it's instantly zero fun because there's no ups for a good while, just downs.

The first time I cash out fairly big and a day or two later I hit big again then I will totally dismiss my thoughts on this. But til then it seems way to convenient to cash out and go cold almost every time now, like clockwork

 

[geordiecolin]

What I tend to do is when hitting a big win on a certain slot at a certain casino to leave that slot alone for the time being.
We all have our personal theories and believes about how online gambling exactly works.
But yes,I do believe when hitting a big win on a certain slot, my personal RTP on that slot might be sky high and on the long run it has to come down to the normal values of 96%-98% ish, the average RTP% of that slot.

It might be a load of bull because maybe I can hit big again on it but I do not believe in that.

I do not and will not believe that any reputable casino here can tweak your personal payouts and/or change the amount of money that you will win or lose.
If that would be the case I would stop playing right now.

What I DO think is that gaming providers might save your IP address and when you would have a few big wins on a certain slot it eventually will lead to a long cold streak on that slot as that would be the norm, right?
Especially if you play at different casino's from the same casino group it makes me very aware of the fact that when having a 300% RTP on a certain slot at casino A might lead to an RTP% of for example 45% at casino B from the same casino group.

I had a monster hit on untamed bengal tiger at GUTS casino and because of that I would never play it at Rizk casino because I think my win is registered there as well in the background (same owners / platform / servers).


Maybe I am way off here, but that is my personal approach when playing online.

That said, it might be a bullshit theory LOL.

But I do hope people understand what I am trying to say.


Mark.

I have the same outlook. It saddens me that I have had some great wins at casino's that I would love to deposit more with but I'm put off depositing there simply because I have recently had a big winner there. Instead I go chasing a win at a casino that has seen deposit after deposit from me with little or no return. And I keep on losing there!
I think that it would be folly to think that any information that is helpful for the casino industry to prosper would not be shared barring rivalry and the eyes of the law.

 

[spintee]

I was told once that someone always brags about the wins, But nether hear about the loss's


Same goes on slots, Yes you do hit than seems to go cold but nothing really changes, Only your MIND SET, Take the win out of the story and what has really changed? NOTHING the only change was the win, but because you had the win it makes your mind think diffrent,

I agree its not 100% random, You can tell if a slots cold or hot but most still play if it fells cold? WHY?

You hear people moan that slots are so cold, But than get a win in between than its changed from cold to ice, Only reason ts now ice is due to seeing that win

 

[SlotGrinder]

But what are the chances that two people say hey did you go completely cold to the point of wanting to walk away after a cash out? I don't understand how that coincidence can happen to such identical nature. You either win or lose in slots, we both cash out and now both 700 to 1000 deep without a single good run at the same identical time for the most part? I just feel that's not random more or less a lock down, not saying they are controlling the spins. Like sure one of us could still have a huge hit but the chances maybe normally are 8%, now they're 3%..is how it feels.

But I totally understand the points some are making on randomness but I still can't help but feel they're underestimating people to know what's fun and what isn't. The way slots typically are for me online are great fun, up and down, but once the cash out happens it's instantly zero fun because there's no ups for a good while, just downs.

The first time I cash out fairly big and a day or two later I hit big again then I will totally dismiss my thoughts on this. But til then it seems way to convenient to cash out and go cold almost every time now, like clockwork

What are the chances of two related people experiencing this out of millions of players ?? I'd say the chances are close to 100% .
Has anyone made a thread on here "When you win a nice amount do you feel that slots play perfectly normally after as if nothing happened ?" NO , because firstly it won't even cross your mind and secondly because it's not newsworthy - but I expect a million people could make that thread saying how they and their brother/sister/uncle had the same experience.

The reason you make this thread is because you know there would be a motive behind casinos deliberately making slots go cold for you . Understandable , but noone is making a thread about when they make a big cashout then the slots play really great afterwards and for 2 reasons , 1) There's no possible casino malpractise going on 2) The player just considers it part of his "hot run" anyway . Maybe when he stops winning and then hits a bad patch he will make a thread about how after a "hot run" the slots seem to go really cold on him

 

[Savatage79]

Well we will have to agree to disagree. Casinos have more ways than one to reel their money back in imho.

 

[Savatage79]

So man I gotta say it's so hard to still not think this as since I made this post and since my last withdrawal I haven't been able to even go above 100 bucks hardly. Just seems so odd that I was at will able to sit and at least bounce to 5 6 7 800+ dollars, but now It doesn't matter the time, day, how much I spin etc.... Just straight to nothin.

I wish there were more options for us in the US

 

[SlotGrinder]

You might be right and they might be scamming you but to say usually every session you can increase to $500 or $800 is crazy because that means every session you could just reach that amount and cashout and basically use the casino as your ATM . You're not supposed to win so most deposits should just go down because of house edge

 

[goatwack]

I've had two cashouts since my last post, so I can confirm that slots are definitely not rigged at this time

 

[Savatage79]

You might be right and they might be scamming you but to say usually every session you can increase to $500 or $800 is crazy because that means every session you could just reach that amount and cashout and basically use the casino as your ATM . You're not supposed to win so most deposits should just go down because of house edge

Actually I'll reiterate... What I meant was the last couple months I'd play it would fluctuate to where I could build a bankroll. Not that I sat down and rolled up 800 bucks but I could pop 50 to 100 in and most of the time get some nice hits maybe jumping to 2 or 300, maybe it'd be 800 and higher ....but I wouldn't go weeks on end without a single hit that's decent or a decent bonus round.

I just meant at will i was able to build a bankroll for the most part even if it was 2 or 300 bucks, I could start to build. And then I could spin higher bets but since my jackpot win I can't even get 100 bucks in there

I just must be on the coldest steak ever after hitting a progressive jackpot

I might need to explore other casinos for now and see what happens elsewhere.

 

[Savatage79]

But like you said you're not supposed to use it as an atm but that's how it felt lol I in a matter of like a week won 1000, 1500 and 9500....and so it feels like they're saying oooook buddy time to turn you off lol

 

[slotter999]

I think the fact that I was able to predict the behavior is still what gets me. When I cashed out I told my wife watch it'll go cold as hell and sure enough it did. I just don't like that, bothers me in a way.

If you can truly predict the behaviour then surely you should be following your own predictions so that when you predict "it's gonna turn ice cold" you just stop playing.

Perhaps your ability to predict the behaviour is because what you're predicting is the most common outcome on these machines.

I'm curious to know whether or not these suspicions you have will actually stop you playing online?

 

[lockinlove]

The only thing I really notice is when you cash out and leave yourself with some to play with, that some never builds into any further cashouts.

Pretty hard for me to agree that once you win big the casino goes cold considering ive been winning big everywhere constantly.

The only one I noticed that with was PlayOLG..maybe some others that I closed my account with but cant recall.

 

[SlotGrinder]

Well as a poker player I know that if players have a nice winning streak they consider that "normal" . And if they go on a long period of losing or at least not winning much then they consider that "bad luck" or even sometimes "rigged" But the truth is a lot of these players aren't winning players at all . They just got very lucky in the period when they were winning and decided that was how poker is supposed to always be for them
But some pokersites HAVE been rigged in the past with superuser accounts who could see everyone's cards so I'm not dismissing the possibility that the casino may be rigged

 

[TheAddict]

The only thing I really notice is when you cash out and leave yourself with some to play with, that some never builds into any further cashouts.

Pretty hard for me to agree that once you win big the casino goes cold considering ive been winning big everywhere constantly.

The only one I noticed that with was PlayOLG..maybe some others that I closed my account with but cant recall.

agree with that. the amount of times never once cashin out once when always leaving something to play with, it's changed the frame of mind to 'how much shall i give them back'

 

[PaaskeDenmark]

I agree with some part of you all. Would like to add my own feeling and experience. It seems as well when you play at a casino and you are not a high roller. Like betting in ranges of 0.20-£2 yeah some will say £2 is high rolling i know. But if u mostly bet 0.20-0.60 then later when we get a nice big win we might have changed bet sizes up to £1-£3 i know i do that myself.

Then after a big win we tend to play bit more lose because that nice adrenaline has been pumping trough our vanes. And somehow in our brain we got that WIN WIN DING DING i got cash now. And when we deposit we expect to win more as surely i cant lose now.

I have just experienced it again having a very nice big win and sudenly finding myself redepositing and losing a lot again and my choices of slots not as concentrated as before i had that big win So your choice of slots makes big difference as well. Maybe you change and play more high variance slots on higher bets than you would normally do. And so you can easily end up in a losing streak which will hit harder.

Not sure if this makes any sense at all to you guys but hope it do haha. Very tired after work today But will try get my keypoints out. Simply after a big win we tend to get more lose in our play i know that from 20 years experience. And i would suggest if got a very nice win streak or massive big win somewhere then take a break or ONLY do 1 deposit to see are you on a lucky win streak. Do maybe MAX 10% investment for deposits if you can. If you dont get any wins or any luck then stop totally for a period and await your luck again