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Who's The Bride (Dead Or Alive) - Who's the robbing bandit, more like

ChopleyIOM

ChopleyIOM

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I get that Dead Or Alive is all about the wildlines but holy crap this is a rough ride if you don't get one.

For seasoned veterans of this game, what's the expected feature hit rate in terms of getting a wildline?

Also yes I am very much aware that this is a small spin sample so I'm not complaining about the game being rigged or anything, although TBH I didn't realise it was quite so skewed into 'wildline or bust' before I set about this endeavour.

Alas I fear I'm at the point now where I've got to do a Star Wars trench run and 'stay on target'.

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You forgot to mention the 5-scatters for 2,500x bet, another RTP-hungry aspect of the game. I had that once, never the Wildline nor IIRC even the +5 spins sans Wildline.
 
Since mid 2023 I’ve had three wild line bonuses. And I landed a five scatter hit once back in mid 2021.

I don’t put a lot of spins through this game (compared to others here who session it) but I am also quite lucky with slots it seems.

EDIT - This is on DOA2. I missed that you were meaning the first DOA slot sorry.
 
Not play WTB much but it is a direct DoA clone which I have put (no exaggeration) millions of spins thru over the years.

I have managed over 100 wildlines and hit 5 scatters maybe 20+ times (break this down over 10 years and its not as "wow" as you may initially think)

It WAS a seemingly very fair game, even at 94.03%RTP until recently when they removed the teaser spins and switched to the Evolution faster spinning version.

A balance of say £20-£25 pre gimp would hold for a minimum 90 minutes if not a lot longer, since the update you're lucky to see 1/3rd of that time for the same balance.

Despite your defence of games being fair and stats to back it up (thinking Bonanza here) there is 100% something not right with these Netent games now and this is lengthy vast experience talking here, not paranoia.

There is no way on this planet WTB or DOA are paying anywhere near RTP, trouble is no proof as games are not tested as we're led to believe, so no proving anything either sadly.
 
It’s 5 scatter, Wildline or bust. There’s very little in between. It’s crazy but in essence, you’ve spun £1,300+ through it and your best win is £20, which is nuts.

However, nowhere near as bad as mine. I have spun getting towards 5K through DOA2 with a best win of £45.

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Bang on the money Jono. It’s blatant cheating filth. I’ve been calling out Mr Vegas for months regarding how their versions of slots play differently to other Casinos. At every other Casino, I’ve hit at least 5 scatters or a wildline in far less spins but never hit either at Mr Vegas.

My stats for the original DOA are pretty much the same too, which is more than coincidence, me thinks.

Don’t get me wrong, as you say, the games are nowhere near the same and there is evidence in the results. The bonus frequency has been doctored, as well as the amount of 4 scatter hits (way below the original frequency).
 
Talking shit about the brides now are we...

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Kroffe said:
Waaah, its such a bad game, waaaah.
But actually...

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Those sir, are some strong numbers, I doff my cap.

Also shows how the game will eventually gravitate towards its T-RTP.

The lesson here is that I need to deposit more money and keep chasing the wildline or five scatters.

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satchnz said:
Since mid 2023 I’ve had three wild line bonuses. And I landed a five scatter hit once back in mid 2021.

I don’t put a lot of spins through this game (compared to others here who session it) but I am also quite lucky with slots it seems.

EDIT - This is on DOA2. I missed that you were meaning the first DOA slot sorry.
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Geez, I need to learn how to read… We’re talking about WTB…
 
I will be forever ahead on Dead on Arrival 1 due to getting the 5 scatters in only my third visit, only playing it briefly once since. Nice 1800 quid, when I did that old YT video sponsored by @Nate and hit it at Gday casino.
 
ChopleyIOM said:
Those sir, are some strong numbers, I doff my cap.

Also shows how the game will eventually gravitate towards its T-RTP.

The lesson here is that I need to deposit more money and keep chasing the wildline or five scatters.

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You take a look at 2024, the worst year in WTB slotting history, and you think its strong numbers....

@dunover I think it would be sensible to change the obviously false title of the thread to something like 'Wtb is the greatest game ever'
A permanent ban for the smear attempt is maybe not necessary, but a couple of weeks would give him time to think about what hes done and come back a better person.
Just consider it, ok?

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dunover said:
I will be forever ahead on Dead on Arrival 1 due to getting the 5 scatters in only my third visit, only playing it briefly once since. Nice 1800 quid, when I did that old YT video sponsored by @Nate and hit it at Gday casino.
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Remember that like it was yesterday.
 
No can do. But I could change it to 'Arranged Marriages are Terrible'...
 
Pretty much what Jono said.
I myself had very similar returns over just under ten years playing DOA1, just like Jono stated above (mostly abusing reloads for +ev longterm results and to feed my addiction ;D ). It was, literally, the only game I played during that period.
IMO, DOA never used to be all or nothing as you describe above, Chop. Though, it has been since Evo, where it now has almost no gameplay, ever. Just a boring SHORT ride to bust town. Your money would often last into the next days session and, provide entertainment! Prior to Evo, that is.

Whos the Bride played exactly the same as DOA, prior to Evo, for me. Exactly As expected. It was a good game, before Evo came. But WTB was removed from most uk casinos when Evo got hold of DOA, so I can only assume its equally just as bent as post Evo DOA now, too. ;p
 
dunover said:
I will be forever ahead on Dead on Arrival 1 due to getting the 5 scatters in only my third visit, only playing it briefly once since. Nice 1800 quid, when I did that old YT video sponsored by @Nate and hit it at Gday casino.
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Oh fuck up, you spawny twat.

OOPS. SORRY. NEED TO CORRECT THAT AS A MATTER OF URGENCY IN CASE I GET THE BAN HAMMER.

Here goes.....

OH PLEEEEEASE DO FUCK UP ALREADY, MR. CM STAFF MEMBER SIR, YOU FUCKING SPAWNY TWAT.

Crisis AND ban hammer averted. Phew.....
 
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TheSchwad said:
So quick formula on spreadsheet, my WTB WL frequency was every 209 bonuses
I read somewhere (ages ago) on 96.8% version of DOA, a retrigger was on average every 50 bonuses and a WL every 151 bonuses.

Below is my DOA (all 96%) stats which is a 162 bonus to WL average

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Yowsers, always good to see some proper stats and TBH I just don't have the stomach for this, it's not like the max pays are even that gargantuan by modern standards, and yet they seem to have gimped the game to a massive extent RTP wise if you're not hitting the wild lines and/or the five scatters.

Even on modest 18p spins I see a most unedifying road ahead of me, and an expensive one at that. If the average frequency for a wildline feature is around 1/160 then catch it on the bad side of randomness and that could be 800+ features without a wildline.

Thanks for all the input folks, I've just ordered myself a nice new 32 inch screen for my PC instead, using the money I've 'saved' by not chasing a wildline on Who's The Bride, and that is what you call impeccable Gambler's Logic :D

As for WTB/DoA:

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back to the reac/toonz grind? (true/odds joke)
 
With dead or alive 2, its not always about just getting a wild line just a couple of wilds lined up right can pay nice with the right symbols landing, and just 1 or 2 of your wilds having multipliers on can make a big difference, but for me the train heist feature I have always said is a very underrated bonus round and can pay huge also just not silly billy money like the wild line bonus can.

But I find this feature way more consistent and reliable then the other two bonus rounds.
This one from last week went for just under 1000X

Not bad, for a low volatility option.

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another good result from last week, from a £5 deposit

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I usually start on the train heist feature and build my balance up form that. And when I'm up and winning on the game is when I pick the high volatility bonus, that's my method anyway.
 

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The electrics off in Cheltenham at the moment so if you wanna curse Dunover do it now while he can not see it and get his ban hammer out :P
 
Went in with my Weekend Booster which was £5.71p. landed a bonus, and actually got my closest to a wildline yet, and also my best win so far!

It had three spins left to finish the wildline but alas, it was not to be.

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mcgameboy said:
Is this statement of intent already being walked back, Mr. Chopley sir?

I sense you are going to take another stab at it with the 46 quid at your disposal.
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Easy come, easy go.....

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Right you bastard let's have another go.

£100 deposit plus weekend booster and some free spins gives a balance of £114.

At least if this goes horribly wrong, my museum is doing well in Two Point Museum.

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mulven said:
I'm going to tell Anna you've been cheating on 3Dice:eek:
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I'm all Dice Fusion-ed out. And I made the slight mistake of trying to win The Joker progressive (again.... LOL), which did not go well :D
 
So here's where that session finished. Still not great as you can see (10% adrift from RTP) but better than I'd been doing previously so it's pushed my average up.

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The good thing here is I'd never played Who's The Bride before starting this thread so we can find out exactly how long it takes me to get my first wildline and five scatters.

I'm sure it'll happen eventually.

I wasn't going to bother with it this evening but I did alright in the pub yesterday so will reinvest my winnings from yesterday into another deposit for Who's The Bride, which I'm sure is a very wise strategy.

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Lord help us!

It's still a good bonus round as I was getting the 4OAKs on the ladies for a decent number of spins, but the one on Reel 5 just refused to land.

517x so a solid pay, but by crikey I thought this was going to be the wildline bonus.

Oh well, we carry on.....

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I normally find that after a decent hit, I have to wade through plenty of scummy ones before another chance appears. Of course, if games were random, that wouldn’t apply, but they aren’t and it does.

Ever since Evolution took over Netent, their games have gone to shite. Played DOA 1 and 2 at Mr Vegas for 2 years. Never had a wildline or 5 scatters on either. Why am I surprised though? Mr Vegas has to be running some of the shittiest versions of slots out there.
 
snorky510238 said:
I normally find that after a decent hit, I have to wade through plenty of scummy ones before another chance appears. Of course, if games were random, that wouldn’t apply, but they aren’t and it does.

Ever since Evolution took over Netent, their games have gone to shite. Played DOA 1 and 2 at Mr Vegas for 2 years. Never had a wildline or 5 scatters on either. Why am I surprised though? Mr Vegas has to be running some of the shittiest versions of slots out there.
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Well if you take something that's already rare, which is a decent feature on this game, or even moreso a wildline feature - then mathematically speaking you're far more likely to have a bad run of features after a decent one simply because this game does so many bad features as part of its normal behaviour.

I'll get there in the end, eventually this bastard will cough a wildline feature.
 
PMKFRUITPRO said:
Why on earth would anybody be playing DOA 1 on videoslots/Mr Vegas or anywhere else for that matter when they know it’s on 94%????

You’ve barely got a chance on these games as it is let alone wheh ur play time is cut in half.

Jeez.
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I hate to imagine what this can do at 94%, with so much of the RTP already being siphoned off into the wildlines and five scatters wins, at least on the full-fat RTP you've sort of got enough left to give you half a chance at decent playtime.

If I didn't have Who's The Bride available at full RTP there's no way I'd even consider taking on this quest for a wildline.
 
I wish I had the discipline to run such numbers. Played DoA several times for several sessions esp last year, got lucky on some esp once it hits the bonus scenes but overall, RTP aside its more fun than most other titles. Best game ever made? Not sure :)
 
PMKFRUITPRO said:
Why on earth would anybody be playing DOA 1 on videoslots/Mr Vegas or anywhere else for that matter when they know it’s on 94%????

You’ve barely got a chance on these games as it is let alone wheh ur play time is cut in half.

Jeez.
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ChopleyIOM said:
I hate to imagine what this can do at 94%, with so much of the RTP already being siphoned off into the wildlines and five scatters wins, at least on the full-fat RTP you've sort of got enough left to give you half a chance at decent playtime.

If I didn't have Who's The Bride available at full RTP there's no way I'd even consider taking on this quest for a wildline.
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Appreciate I'll probably get laughed off the thread or disbelieved however....

When the DoA, HTML5 version first appeared AND it got chopped from 96.80% to 94.03% - I personally only noticed a teeny, tiny reduction in gameplay and everything that goes with it.

Still got balances that lasted, still got regular 5OAK premiums, still got wild lines and 5 scatters and still got some close calls, EG: Extra 5 spins which returned 500x - 1,000x

When I have noticed the difference (and VS lost some of my loyalty, another story) is when the teaser slow spin version was switched to the Evo no tease version, that thing is a money pit and not just foil hat talking here, no way is running at advertised RTP, although yes, yes this will never be proven.

I don't just say this for the sake of it, nor sore loser scenario, as the majority know on here, I eat, breathe and shit DoA so know with confidence when something is amiss!

With regards to WTB, it you need any tips or advice on how to land the W/L or 5S, just ask Kroffe, he's an expert in WTB :p :p
 
There’s not a chance, the game plays the same way. The lack of 4 scatter wins and 5oak premiums tells you that. Online gambling has become a supposedly legal way to steal players money. Yes, in pretty much every other market, the customer has the right to be refunded if the product doesn’t do what it states on the tin.

Not online Casinos and Providers though. They can do as they please with no comebacks whatsoever. The industry is pure and utter filth, of the highest order.
 
Am rootin for ya, choppler. Go on ma son!
I remember seeing screenies like that above in the feature every other day while abusing bonuses all day prior to Evo. Screenies like that are every other month WITH Evo, unfortunately. Quite the pocket emptier. Think I had 3, maybe 4 of those over 400x paying hits during the bonuses while enduring a loss of nearly 20,000x on Evo, for nothing. I sure do miss those close shaves and balance rebuilders!

Or, so you don't have to read it again! Maybe I should have just posted MorganFreemanhesrightyouknow.jpg while quoting Jono, again. :)
 


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