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William Hill go even lower on RTP

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Trying to claw some easy money in before revenues drop through the floor on October 31st when all the player-safety 'features' get deployed. By Christ, it's going to be fucking grim. Next they'll set the minimum bet at 60p or something, or start charging for withdrawals. The UKGC fucks the player and the operator, then the operator fucks the player a bit more to compensate. Operators spend millions on TV advertising but the experience will now be shit, so they're just pouring money down the drain promoting a product no-one wants any more.

Three cheers, and so on...
 
brianmon said:
One casino I play (played) at - Platin Casino - has actually done that.
Bonanza and DHV are now minimum bet 40p and Wild Flower is 50p.
Haven't checked any of the others
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So the new trick is use increased minimum stakes on games from providers with fixed rtp,s. That is one sneaky move which has exactly
the same result as dropping rtp,s .. increasing the rake per spin from players who normally low roll.

Think Red Tiger has a lot to answer for as they were one of the first to offer variable rtp settings and also shave off an extra percent or so to
fund unwinnable jackpots, used to enjoy their games, now as soon as I load a new game and see the dots appear, I just exit without even bothering
to check the rtp.
 
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A huge web of profitable businesses was built on the back of 96% slots [plus novos at slightly less], millions and billions revenue annually worldwide. So would be interesting if there is any other significant reason (other than greed) to offer worse paying games for the player?

Perhaps it's the slot producers playing a part, do they actually compete on price/cost with each other now there are several under one business etc..
 
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mack341 said:
A huge web of profitable businesses was built on the back of 96% slots [plus novos at slightly less], millions and billions revenue annually worldwide. So would be interesting if there is any other significant reason (other than greed) to offer worse paying games for the player?
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The changes include a 55 per cent increase in the fee bands for annual operating licences for online operators, which will take effect on 1 October 2021.
 
Latest news on William Hill and their shite RTPs...

By all accounts there's a version of Reel King out there with an RTP of 92%. This game is available to play at just one site only, 'exclusively' you might say, almost as if they specifically asked for it, because the 94% version is too generous for them. Anyone guess what the site is? Good times never seemed so good, eh?

SWEEEEEEEEEET CAROLIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINE! DOO-DOO-DOO...

Fuck RIGHT off.
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Looking at chucking £50 into a new casino to get a match offer, 50x wagering, meh not to bad these days then read on.. £500 capped winnings on first deposit bonus. Needless to say I saved my 50 quid. Had a good laugh and read that term a couple of times thought id read it wrong

Looks like I'm going to be playing poker mtts most evenings going forward. Dont think i'll get SOW demands playing $3 MTTS :D
 

The ukgc need to make showing the rtp on the slot's loading screen mandatory, anyone new to slots could get hammered financially on their first play, there is a risk of chasing losses across the WH site and thinking 'fuck I'm unlucky'

At least with a clear to see 92% rtp message they might twig it means something regarding the game, if not the terminology. But hidden in help files, most won't see it.

Every year as folk turn 18 there is a new batch of naive customers to catch out, plus the lotto granny contingency/ older casual sportsbook users, drifting into slots on the site, in for a rude awakening. People can chase from a tenner lost into hundreds gone.
 
I notice the isoftbet games they have on the site don’t actually contain the RTP within the games help screens at all.

As most of the new ones are going on at 92% I worry that some of the older ones that were originally on the site may now have been gimped.

You have to trust the actual info supplied by WH themselves to see the RTP. What if this doesn’t get updated once they’ve updated the game?

Completely agree that it should be mandatory to display the games RTP on load up.
 
So WH obviously have the time-limited clientele and tiny capacity of a a UK motorway services, since they are now offering the same RTP?!

Gonzo Megaways can rip a £100 balance in half an hour on the 95% setting, 40p stakes when it's not in the mood. 89% is below disgraceful.

All this lowering will backfire on the online industry, in time. There may be widespread ignorance of RTP, but customers will sure realise their balances aren't lasting very long, and move on.
 
Largely binned WH slots some time ago. They’re even tightening up their sports scratch card offers. Mostly tells you “unlucky, try next time” now. Their odds are still generally among the best but suspect that’ll change next.
Overall I’m quite happy about all this RTP devastation. Whilst I like a play on slots I’m not really that bothered and this will just make it easier to walk on by so to speak.
 
Noticed a new promo, where a fruit machine wheel pops up while slotting and gives cash prizes. I deposited a fiver to play buffalo rising on 10p and won at least £3, so had me scratching my head why chop the rtp and make their slots worse fun, only to then give prizes to drive up slot's business. Is it also RG compatible to encourage spinning to win a chance of a separate random prize?
 
Reduced RTP is happening on all upUk casinos and they're not even letting u know....worst offenders among the providers is play n go who even go as low as 89 percent which I came across on ny spins...all this which is as a result of too much regulation by the ukgc is gonna push everyone crypto..I already play on there and have had no issues and the rtp is usually the highest available

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gonzo fonso said:
i will never play at william hill ever again,how is it ever possible to lose on the daily drop,basically ive lost on it every day in succesion in the last 2 months,so yes its fixed im wondering what else is fixed who knows
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I would imagine that their in house daily chance game isn’t regulated the same as slots are.

I used to play small stakes video poker there on most weekdays and would pretty much win free spins every time. The free spins themselves didn’t ever amount to much but at least I got them.

How often do/did you play at WH?
 
The drop seems to be random. I’ve not lost in weeks or in, but I also went a month or so without a single win.

The same promo is also running on Mr Green now. Same deal, except I’ve won cash from it twice in a month, and never once won cash in several years on William Hill’s version.

(Also, for a few weeks, they had the free spin prizes setup incorrectly, so although it said you’d get 5x spins at £0.10, they had that as the line bet, rather than the total bet. Some nice payouts for that. But they’ve fixed it now, so it’s ruined. But I can at least mention it now ;)
 
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There was a time I went a month without almost anything. My deposits are small and speradic at hillsl I dont beleieve those drops to be random tbh. Since withdrawing from 5 free spins maybe 2 monthe ago, lol, I've deposited 5 quid in the past 8 weeks, and won the drop for either 1spin at 20p prize or much more regularly, a 5 spins at 10p prize. won probably 58/60 times over the past 2 months.
gonzo fonso said:
i will never play at william hill ever again,how is it ever possible to lose on the daily drop,basically ive lost on it every day in succesion in the last 2 months,so yes its fixed im wondering what else is fixed who knows
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danofthewibble said:
The drop seems to be random. I’ve not lost in weeks or in, but I also went a month or so without a single win.

The same promo is also running on Mr Green now. Same deal, except I’ve won cash from it twice in a month, and never once won cash in several years on William Hill’s version.

(Also, for a few weeks, they had the free spin prizes setup incorrectly, so although it said you’d get 5x spins at £0.10, they had that as the line bet, rather than the total bet. Some nice payouts for that. But they’ve fixed it now, so it’s ruined. But I can at least mention it now ;)
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I managed to withdraw £600 from those free spins at Mr Green, £1 spins on Legacy of Dead bonus round before they realised their mistake. Won nothing since.
 
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satchnz said:
I would imagine that their in house daily chance game isn’t regulated the same as slots are.

I used to play small stakes video poker there on most weekdays and would pretty much win free spins every time. The free spins themselves didn’t ever amount to much but at least I got them.

How often do/did you play at WH?
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i played once a week sorta stuff,it just isnt possible to lose every day on that bonus drop its like flipping a coin n getting tails for 60 times,just not going to happen
 
If… for some obscure reason anyone hasn’t got an account at William Hill…

There’s a stake £10 get £50 bonus in the form of 50 free spins at £1 each.

code is HILLS50 and you need to stake £10 to get the 50. Fishin Frenzy and wagering is 25x

Only new customers it seems.
 
A few things, I was recently playing at WH and wondering why they don't even have a way of marking and grouping your favourite games, at first I put it down to incompetence but then a more sinister reason came to mind, it's a way of funnelling you towards trying their shite games [ typically with chronic rtp] incl many new titles.

Their bingo slots page is also much better to navigate, you can choose 'all slots' and look at each game and find an rtp figure easily [I won't say 'the rtp' as you have to double check]

In the main site they have the original thunderstruck misadvertising it as a 96.5% or something, when you load the game up and find the external help file it's 93 or 94%!

I'm getting a lot of emails from casinos atm, ones I haven't played at for years, so they must be going through their lists to try to drum up some business, maybe low rtp is protecting their bottom line but in the end the product is worse and that will tell in the end; there's a reason slot makers settled on 96% in the first place, and it was not because they're were being over generous.
 
Yeah, the main UK bookies sites do that Mack. They have a collection of “picks” and “hot new games” which are almost all uniformly around 94% and, sometimes, way below (I’ve seen around 90%). Then general make the better %age slots tougher to find unless you know what to search for.
Not matter what you may think about BTG, if they stick to their guns with single 96% RTPs, the casinos will squeeze them out along with any others.

As a counter, interestingly Grosvenor have just added Play’nGo slots to their site and most are currently set at the high 96% setting. Not sure how long that’ll last though.
 
Siohmy said:
Not matter what you may think about BTG, if they stick to their guns with single 96% RTPs, the casinos will squeeze them out along with any others.
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I think the power lies with the game developers. No casino will squeeze BTG out because they make too much money, even with 96%ers.

The real power lies with the players and where we put our money.
 
bamberfishcake said:
I think the power lies with the game developers. No casino will squeeze BTG out because they make too much money, even with 96%ers.

The real power lies with the players and where we put our money.
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To a degree but their star is fading somewhat. I think it’s only a matter of time before they are backed into a corner. Some of their more popular slots are probably safe but are you telling me that casinos won’t dump the likes of Holy Diver and look to insist on multi %rtp going forward.
Many casinos are very selective about which BTG slots they carry.
At the end of the day the casinos dictate what does and doesn’t appear on their platform and if most of the manufacturers are happy to provide 94% and lower slots then that will be what most casinos will go for.
 
Siohmy said:
To a degree but their star is fading somewhat. I think it’s only a matter of time before they are backed into a corner. Some of their more popular slots are probably safe but are you telling me that casinos won’t dump the likes of Holy Diver and look to insist on multi %rtp going forward.
Many casinos are very selective about which BTG slots they carry.
At the end of the day the casinos dictate what does and doesn’t appear on their platform and if most of the manufacturers are happy to provide 94% and lower slots then that will be what most casinos will go for.
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Agree in part, however, gaps in markets get filled, just as players become more educated every day.

In a sea of casinos offering low-paying RTP versions, casinos like MrQ stand out and there will always be MrQ's even when MrQ turns to the dark side. RTP knowledge, in general, is on the increase, lower-paying versions lose too much and affect playtime drastically.

We have Aldi, Tescos and M&S for a reason. Same with casinos, some will offer tripe and a few will offer premium products and become more profitable when the whales choose to play there.

p.s. Hopefully, the 96% RTP models will always be around, because they become sought after. Businesses meet the needs of consumers and there is a desire for 96%ers.
 
philderby1 said:
Looking at chucking £50 into a new casino to get a match offer, 50x wagering, meh not to bad these days then read on.. £500 capped winnings on first deposit bonus. Needless to say I saved my 50 quid. Had a good laugh and read that term a couple of times thought id read it wrong

Looks like I'm going to be playing poker mtts most evenings going forward. Dont think i'll get SOW demands playing $3 MTTS :D
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sports accas are a great alternative, some sites even top up as a cash bonus
 
Tweaked some previously already tweaked slots that were obviously not tweaked enough.

"We’re just letting you know that we’ve tweaked a few of our Play'n Go slots. You can still enjoy all the fantastic features you’ve come to love, but you’ll notice some small changes to a few titles including Book Of Dead, King's Mask, Legacy Of Dead."

Now running a smooth 91.xx%
 
pinnit2014 said:
Fear not, the bonus drop will now be ramped up to 10p spins as a way of 'sorry, about that'

Wahey
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played it every day for months not a single win. So nothing changes for me lol
 
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