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Any suggestions for a new Slotocash (RTG) player?

ChopleyIOM

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Hi all,

I've decided to have a change from Netent this week (not least because Wild Rockets isn't live at Redbet yet), so figured I'd finally get round to giving RTG slots some play.

I've taken up the Octoberfest promotion at Slotocash, which has given me a €1000 bankroll from a €250 deposit (300% bonus with a 30xD+B WR so €30,000 to wager!).

I'm allowed to play nearly all slots without restrictions as far as I can tell (not sure if the €6.50 per spin rule applies but I won't be spinning that big anyway), although it does list under the 'Blocked' list 'Some Real-Series Video Slots'.

So then, as a completely new player to the software (I played a small amount of RTG about 4 1/2 years ago and literally haven't played a single one of their slots since), what would you recommend?

I'm intending to roll at about €2-3 per spin and want to take in a variety of games, different variances, good bonus rounds, all that kind of thing.

Any suggestions for a complete newbie? Anything I really want to be avoiding? (i.e. Are there any very dangerous crazy high variance slots, that sort of thing?)

Thanks :)
 
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Every time i've won big and did withdraw with a decent amount it has been on

Mystic dragon
Rain dance
Paydirt!
Tripple twister
T-rex

but all of these i wrote is very high variance, try to mix your bet from 0.50$ to 1$ everytime you go 20$ down (this works atleast for me to get into bonus feature)

GL Chop :)
 
Thanks Oslo :)

I'm sure I've heard it somewhere on CM that RTG don't really have any low variance slots, and they're all in the medium-high-very high range, do you feel this is the case?

I think that even with my bankroll of €1000 I'll spin at €1 to start with, just to guarantee me enough time to really get a proper feel for the slots.
 
My advice is to not play those games with a Feature guarantee. I always get the feeling I never have any guarantee's on those ever.

I was stuck on all those newer 25liners, but recently I have gone back to all old 20liners. I believe the variance is a little lower on them, and when you win you might not get that very huge max payout win, but still huge winnings.

Good luck! Will we be able to see this also?;)
 
I would agree with Tirilej about the feature guarantee games. RTG is streaky. Build up your bets/balance over time. You find one that hits-9 times out of 10 it will hit again in short order. At least this has been my experience.
 
Loose Caboose, Rain Dance, Mystic Dragon, T Rex, Achilles and Crystal Waters are my favourites by far.

The feature guarantee slots force you into paying a side bet for the feature and I don't really like it.
 
Can someone clear something up with regards to RTG for me please?

Looking at the pay table for all the games, they all contain the same rule, that the maximum win per 'paid spin' is 50,000 x bet per line.

I'm currently playing Mystic Dragon, which on the five scatters free spins trigger awards 100 (!) free spins.

I'm playing at €1 per spin, which on a 25-line slot is 0.04c per line.

50,000 x 0.04 = 2000.

So if I'm reading the rules correctly, the most I can win from a single €1 spin is €2000, or 2000x stake in other words.

I can well imagine the 100 free spins (which would count as a single 'paid spin') on Mystic Dragon paying over 2000x stake, so what happens if you get the 100 free spins and it pays 4000x stake, what happens to the €2000 that's over the maximum pay cap?
 
Dipity said:
If you're in free spins and you hit the payout cap, the free spins stop and thats your lot for that round. Sucks at RTG.
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Couldn't that negatively affect the RTP then?

If there's a 4000x win on the paytable, accounted for as part of the overall RTP, but any single win is capped at 2000x stake, that 'extra' 2000x is simply lost.

Or do RTG work around that somehow?
 
ChopleyIOM said:
Couldn't that negatively affect the RTP then?

If there's a 4000x win on the paytable, accounted for as part of the overall RTP, but any single win is capped at 2000x stake, that 'extra' 2000x is simply lost.

Or do RTG work around that somehow?
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some very sound advice stay clear from RTG all together ) everything is pretty much capped on wins & you wont get to the bottom of where all those capped wins monees go either , one thing is for sure it doesnt go back in the machine ) also i doubt very much you will get anywhere near 75% RTP on your thousand euros . i would like to see it but doubt it very much.
 
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They say that it's included in the RTP.
Meaning that if they would pay out all of those very huge winnings, we would get less winnings in normal play.

I don't know. It doesn't seem fair when I finally win a lot, to not get all of it, but so far I have been very satisfied to get those max cashout winnings that I have won.
 
I guess that's why some people prefer higher stakes per line with less lines, then the 'capped' win is larger since it's xline bet and not xtotal bet.

Fruit Frenzy is a good game to play like that, if you bet 5 lines @ $.25 a line and hit the feature, the feature pays out on all 25 lines. Or bet 1 line @ $1.25 or whatever. It's just trying to hit the feature on one of the lines that you bet is the trick!

The rest of the games if you hit the feature, it only pays out on the lines you have selected during free spins. FYI there's another game called Fruit something - I can't remember what it's called but it's got a fruits playing football theme - anyhow that one you HAVE to be playing all the lines to get the feature.
 
ChopleyIOM said:
Couldn't that negatively affect the RTP then?

If there's a 4000x win on the paytable, accounted for as part of the overall RTP, but any single win is capped at 2000x stake, that 'extra' 2000x is simply lost.
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Good job you didn't hit 5 wilds while playing Count Spectacular then!
On that slot, hitting 5 wilds while playing 25 lines only pays 1/5 of what you might expect from the pay-table. :eek:

With their crazy rule, it's never worth playing more than 5-lines on that slot if you are planning to hit 5 wilds!

KK
 
So are RTG slots bent then?

Sorry if that's an overly blunt question, but if their slots have wins on the paytable that can never actually be paid, what happens to all those 'surplus wins'?

If they've calculated the RTP based on the 'entire paytable' as it were, but then imposed limits on what they'll actually pay out from that paytable, then it's a bit of a con.

If however it's factored back into the games somehow, then that would be fine.

In simple terms, if a casino is running the 95% T-RTP maths model of Count Spectacular, but the very biggest wins on that slot will never actually be paid as they're capped at 50,000x line bet, then it's not 95% T-RTP, is it?

I'm used to vagueness in the world of online casinos, but there must surely be a definitive answer to this, especially when we have RTG casinos such as Slotocash accredited here at CM?
 
Hey Chopley..

First, I love the videos! Keep up the good work.

I think the thing to remember with RTG casinos is that the vast majority of their customers are American's. I am sure they have players from around the world visit the casino, but they are competing with a large number of software providers globally. Whereas in the United States all we pretty much have is RTG and 3dice. If RTG wants to throw slots with RTP's of 50% we either accept it or give up gambling online.

Personally, I think this is the reason why RTG casinos and their games have become particularly stale. Without the competition from MG/Netent/IGT you really can feel the same games being recycled and the games having a "rigged" feeling at times where you witness the unthinkable happen. I was able to get 100 free spins at 3.00 in the MOE feature on three stooges 2 with a 10x multiplier. However, I was only able to win 350.00. Granted, this is over 100x my initial stake, but 100 free spins and a 10x multiplier should yield a better return.

In the end as you say in many of your videos "The bonus rounds are rubbish" and usually you know right away how shitty the bonus round will be.
 
Dipity said:
Loose Caboose, Rain Dance, Mystic Dragon, T Rex, Achilles and Crystal Waters are my favourites by far.

The feature guarantee slots force you into paying a side bet for the feature and I don't really like it.
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Not all feature guarantee slots require a side bet. Atzec Treasure FG doesnt require a side bet and also the same for Its a Mystery if I recall correctly. Frankly I think the FGs with a side bet are rip-offs as if you hit a feature before you reach the designated number of spins for the FG its automatically reset to 0. Remember you paid a side bet for every spin and IMO the spins should be saved till you reach the designated no. to give you another feature.
 
ChopleyIOM said:
Sorry if that's an overly blunt question, but if their slots have wins on the paytable that can never actually be paid, what happens to all those 'surplus wins'?
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One would think that the wins are capped in the RNG too so it gives a 50,000x line bet win and the RTP isn't lost, but who knows.

I've a related question for the RTG folks: Why are those wins even on the paytable if ALL the RTG casinos are capped? They have no reason to be there. Lazy programming?
 
chayton said:
Fruit Frenzy is a good game to play like that, if you bet 5 lines @ $.25 a line and hit the feature, the feature pays out on all 25 lines. Or bet 1 line @ $1.25 or whatever. It's just trying to hit the feature on one of the lines that you bet is the trick!
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If you bet only one line, you're 25 times less likely to hit the feature, though. Sometimes you can go a very long time without hitting it at 25 lines, so I'd not like to think about the odds to get it with a single line!
 
I'd be interested to see that myself Tirilej.

Surely it would be possible for RTG to simply design their slots in such a fashion that a win of 50,000x line bet simply isn't on the paytable, rather than allow wins of over that (substantially over that in some cases) to be on the paytable, but simply 'cap' them and say 'yeah we're not going to pay that out'.

I'm wondering how that could be correctly factored into the RTP, especially considering the three different maths models that RTG offer their slots with?
 
ChopleyIOM said:
Surely it would be possible for RTG to simply design their slots in such a fashion that a win of 50,000x line bet simply isn't on the paytable, rather than allow wins of over that (substantially over that in some cases) to be on the paytable, but simply 'cap' them and say 'yeah we're not going to pay that out'.
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I'm pretty sure that it's only on Count Spectacular where it is possible to have a single spin in "normal spins" which exceeds the cap.
(WHY it was designed like that is a total mystery to me! :confused:)

On all the other slots, the cap can only be reached during free-spins - in most cases needing multiple good wins to reach the cap level.

KK
 
KasinoKing said:
I'm pretty sure that it's only on Count Spectacular where it is possible to have a single spin in "normal spins" which exceeds the cap.
(WHY it was designed like that is a total mystery to me!
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Only logical reason is the game designers didn't have a cap in mind when they designed the slots and the paytable (and since the slots were NOT designed for a cap, Chopley's question about the RTP is totally legit and needs to be answered).
 
Balthazar said:
Only logical reason is the game designers didn't have a cap in mind when they designed the slots and the paytable (and since the slots were NOT designed for a cap, Chopley's question about the RTP is totally legit and needs to be answered).
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Well that very much leads onto my next question, have RTG slots always had the 50,000x line bet win cap in place or not?

If they have, then I suppose it's conceivable that they were designed with the cap accounted for in the RTP (although that would still be an insane design choice for a slot like Count Spectacular, whereby five full wilds would blow the cap out of the water, so why design a slot with five wild reels if the maximum pays on it are auto-capped, at the very least that's just a recipe for pissing off your players should they ever hit it).

If the 50,000x line bet win cap was added after the slots were released, then I'm definitely leaning towards calling shenanigans.

Either way it's not something I'm comfortable with as a player, I have to say. (I certainly wouldn't have deposited at Slotocash if I'd have been aware of this 'rule' before I started playing.)
 

I havn't found what I'm looking for yet but I'm still searching.
One thing to have in mind is that all 25 liners came out very late. It's on them where it's possible to really hit those enormous winnings, because of the wilds in free spins, and the games that has expanding wilds in normal also.

So I must say that I believe that the cap have been there the whole time, at least since they reliesed those games.
 
ChopleyIOM said:
Well that very much leads onto my next question, have RTG slots always had the 50,000x line bet win cap in place or not?
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Yes it has always been there AFAIK.
In fact, it used to be bet x 40,000 (and still may be on some slots?) - but as I recall they increased it when they started producing mainly only 25-line slots in 2009.

Had to go and check this: The x50,000 cap DOES also apply on their 50 and 88 line slots - so on them it is even more "unfair" to the players than on the 20 and 25-liners...

KK
 
I have played RTG for many years and didn't know about Fruit Frenzy (Low variance) and to reduce your lines can be a great pay off ...so this was an eye opener ..thanks to this crowd.;)

..but here is a question, while we're at it:

At Inetbet, in their tournaments, today and have had in the past, 'Gold Beard' and it's set at $500 playstart with 10 minutes to play this. Is this also a slot such as Fruit Frenzy ? AND which other games are like this?
 
secret2 said:
At Inetbet, in their tournaments, today and have had in the past, 'Gold Beard' and it's set at $500 playstart with 10 minutes to play this. Is this also a slot such as Fruit Frenzy ? AND which other games are like this?
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I admit I don't play RTG much, but I'm 99.99% sure there are no other RTG slots which work the same way as Fruit Frenzy.

Don't forget, there is no RTP advantage in playing Fruit Frenzy with less lines - all that does is increase the variance, which you can also do by reducing the number of win-lines on just about every other slot on the net.

KK
 
KasinoKing said:
I admit I don't play RTG much, but I'm 99.99% sure there are no other RTG slots which work the same way as Fruit Frenzy.

Don't forget, there is no RTP advantage in playing Fruit Frenzy with less lines - all that does is increase the variance, which you can also do by reducing the number of win-lines on just about every other slot on the net.

KK
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The advantage is that if you have a limited bankroll you can bet less lines with a higher line bet, which can really pay off if you manage to get the feature because the free spins pay on all 25 lines. With most other games if you hit the feature betting 5 lines it only pays on 5 lines during the free spins too. And the chances of retriggering are better than getting the feature in the first place since once you hit it, you've got all the lines covered. :)

Play all 25 lines at 10 cents a line or play 5 lines at 50 cents a line, the bet size is the same - you're increasing the game variance but if you can manage to hit the feature there's a (potentially) huge difference in payout.
 
chayton said:
The advantage is that if you have a limited bankroll you can bet less lines with a higher line bet, which can really pay off if you manage to get the feature because the free spins pay on all 25 lines. With most other games if you hit the feature betting 5 lines it only pays on 5 lines during the free spins too. And the chances of retriggering are better than getting the feature in the first place since once you hit it, you've got all the lines covered. :)

Play all 25 lines at 10 cents a line or play 5 lines at 50 cents a line, the bet size is the same - you're increasing the game variance but if you can manage to hit the feature there's a (potentially) huge difference in payout.
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But since you need 5x the same symbol on a line to get the feature, and you're playing only 5 lines instead of 25, you're 5 times less likely to hit the feature.

The 2 advantages that you get for betting on fewer lines are:
- your chances of retriggering the FS are the same as someone who'd play 25 lines.
- the "50,000x line bet" cap is obviously higher.

So if you don't retrigger during the free spins nor you hit max payout, it really just become a higher variance slot.
 
chayton said:
The advantage is that if you have a limited bankroll you can bet less lines with a higher line bet, which can really pay off if you manage to get the feature because the free spins pay on all 25 lines. With most other games if you hit the feature betting 5 lines it only pays on 5 lines during the free spins too. And the chances of retriggering are better than getting the feature in the first place since once you hit it, you've got all the lines covered. :)

Play all 25 lines at 10 cents a line or play 5 lines at 50 cents a line, the bet size is the same - you're increasing the game variance but if you can manage to hit the feature there's a (potentially) huge difference in payout.
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Sorry, but like I said, that "advantage" is not peculiar to Fruit Frenzy - you can increase the variance on virtually all slots by reducing the number of bet-lines.
Or you could just go play a higher variance slot in the first place!

The reason some people get a bit confused over this particular slot, is that they forget the feature is NOT triggered by scatters like most other slots, but by getting a 5-of-a-kind on a PAID win-line.

KK
 
Tirilej said:
I finally found it and I was wrong.:o Here is the link to the thread and the post I was thinking of.

https://sussexmskpartnershipeast.com/forums/threads/feature-guarantees-rtg-how-long-do-you-spin.45189/
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Thanks for digging that out Tirilej, I see this debate is not a new one :D

I tend to agree with what KK said in that thread, it still doesn't make any sense as a design decision, and will just annoy players for the sake of 'saving' 0.1% off the RTP or whatever, which apparently they compensated for on the reels anyway.
 
ChopleyIOM said:
Thanks for digging that out Tirilej, I see this debate is not a new one :D

I tend to agree with what KK said in that thread, it still doesn't make any sense as a design decision, and will just annoy players for the sake of 'saving' 0.1% off the RTP or whatever, which apparently they compensated for on the reels anyway.
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The same questions always return. When it comes to RTG I always try to read DogBoys old posts. They can tell a lot:)
 
ChopleyIOM said:
Here you go :)
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****Spoiler do not read unless you've watched all 75 minutes of the video****


You've got 300 free spins at x5 (= €5/spin) so €1500 worth of spins. You ended up with a little over €1300. Now €200 was the triggering win so €1100 win for €1500 (75% RTP). This isn't too bad for FS.

I didn't understand why you thought that the €2000 cap should be in the bag when you triggered your first €500 worth of spins?
 
Balthazar said:
****Spoiler do not read unless you've watched all 75 minutes of the video****


You've got 300 free spins at x5 (= €5/spin) so €1500 worth of spins. You ended up with a little over €1300. Now €200 was the triggering win so €1100 win for €1500 (75% RTP). This isn't too bad for FS.

I didn't understand why you thought that the €2000 cap should be in the bag when you triggered your first €500 worth of spins?
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Not sure really, I just felt that 300 spins at 5x pay should go very big :D I'm not sure how rare a 5-scatters trigger is on that slot but I'd have thought it was pretty rare. TBH I was initially thinking that the 100 spins would do the job!
 


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