Beware Bet365 RTP Change

[PMKFRUITPRO]

It’s happened people.

365 have culled all or nearly all Pragmatics and play n go.

Didn’t look at hacksaw / NLC as don’t play them but the site is now a no play zone for me.

Only slots temple from now on.

Book of dead for example is showing 96.% on their info but in game it’s 94.x

Don’t give them anymore of ur hard earned.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Ok I just checked couple of hacksaw and NLC and still on max but it’s only a matter of time me thinks.

BTG still max at mo.

No email or notification to advise of this change either.

Wankers

 

[lucks_maximus]

Ok I just checked couple of hacksaw and NLC and still on max but it’s only a matter of time me thinks.

BTG still max at mo.

No email or notification to advise of this change either.

Wankers

Eternal Duel is 94% on their info. Did you check in-game? (I don't have a bet365 account)

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

I checked prags / play n go in game on a few titles. All reduced.

Then one game from BTG / hack / NLC

In game is MAX on above 3.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Like I say im Not really familiar with hacksaw / NLC but that game game you mention (eternal duel) is showing nothing on their info but inside game is 94% so either the others will follow or new games will be at reduced.

 

[Nate]

Ok I just checked couple of hacksaw and NLC and still on max but it’s only a matter of time me thinks.

BTG still max at mo.

No email or notification to advise of this change either.

Wankers

It's probably only a matter of time before the other providers follow suit. The requests to reduce RTP have most likely already been sent out, and it's just a matter of waiting for implementation.

This almost certainly stems from the UKGC's recent tax increase.

Scary.

Nate

 

[Mr Shine]

Betfred too. I've just checked a load of Prags and other providers that I know were 96% a month ago, they've all been reduced.

 

[satchnz]

Yep I started a thread about this a few weeks ago. Very sad to see

 

[SYPlayer95]

Ok I just checked couple of hacksaw and NLC and still on max but it’s only a matter of time me thinks.

BTG still max at mo.

No email or notification to advise of this change either.

Wankers

What did you expect. Bet365 are notorious for giving winning players the boot. Not had an account with then for 10 years.

Denise Coats 300mill+ salary must not be enough to live on

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Yes on the betting side of things!!

Won’t be many winning players long term playing at 96% will there??

Anyway only 1 place left for me to play now. Apart from my bonanza sessions at various places. But for how much longer tho???

 

[thediro]

Looks like Bonanza's back on the menu boys!

 

[WagerWise]

I’ve seen that happen before with certain providers. Many slots actually have multiple RTP versions and the casino can choose which one to offer. It’s always worth checking the game info screen before playing.

 

[SlotWhisperer]

Did you get a heads up on this by email or in the game? Regulation does say rule changes need to be bought to a players attention.

 

[avfcalex23]

It’s happened people.

365 have culled all or nearly all Pragmatics and play n go.

Didn’t look at hacksaw / NLC as don’t play them but the site is now a no play zone for me.

Only slots temple from now on.

Book of dead for example is showing 96.% on their info but in game it’s 94.x

Don’t give them anymore of ur hard earned.

Slots temple is a shocking casino. I’d stay away from that one as well whilst you’re at it.

 

[Downsman]

Slots temple is a shocking casino. I’d stay away from that one as well whilst you’re at it.

What makes ST so bad? Never had any probs with them.

 

[avfcalex23]

What makes ST so bad? Never had any probs with them.

By far the worst casino I’ve played at. I keep testing the waters in hope it’ll change, but it doesn’t.

Attached are a few screens of my results from a 10 minute session today on Big bass Christmas bonanza. Medium volatility, on almost every other casino I play at I’m hitting a bonus fairly quickly into the session. You can see below 70 base game spins with 3 winning spins at a maximum of 2x my stake. I have had 350 spins on this slot today before giving up.

Every single session is exactly the same. I have requested my RTP results from ST which they have said they will email me in due course. Upon requesting, they blocked my account pending affordability questions. Reopened today, and nothing has changed. I’ve also recently tried some PNG, light and wonder and BTG games with my usual Prags and the results are the same. No base game wins, no bonuses.

Straight onto paddy power on the same game and a 100x feature win after 11 spins.

Something is not right.

 

[Mr Shine]

That's a ridiculously small sample size.

 

[satchnz]

That's a ridiculously small sample size.

And is also very much my experience on any of the Big Bass slots. I’d call it success to land a bonus within 170 spins, let alone only 70!

 

[avfcalex23]

That's a ridiculously small sample size.

I agree, it’s a small sample size. I’m awaiting the emailed results from the some 4 possibly 5,000 spins over the last couple of weeks on their casino. I can only tell you what I’ve experienced, you either believe me or you don’t and when I get some hard factual figures I’ll post them in here.

 

[Mr Shine]

5000 spins would also be a tiny sample size

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Slots temple don’t control the actual game ffs!!

I’ve played loads of the bass games there.

Plenty of shitters obv but a fair few nice hits.

Rediculous to blame that on the casino!!

 

[avfcalex23]

5000 spins would also be a tiny sample size

You’re nit picking now.

I’m telling you my experience of ST vs almost every other casino I play at. Woeful features (when they eventually rarely land) and I’ve never had a big win of note of that site.

5000 spins is a big enough sample to not hit three scatters in a medium volatility slot at a supposed 96%+ RTP. Let alone a half decent base game win. It’s absolutely disgusting, that’s what it is.

 

[avfcalex23]

Slots temple don’t control the actual game ffs!!

I’ve played loads of the bass games there.

Plenty of shitters obv but a fair few nice hits.

Rediculous to blame that on the casino!!

Blinded. Absolutely blinded. Of course casinos have control over RTPs, payouts, base game spin wins. Deluded to think otherwise.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

They have control over the maths model they take. Then that’s it.

Im sorry but you need educating.

Talking of facts and posting them here.

Here are my deposits and withdrawals there.

From my bank account in case you think the casino is skewing them!!

I’m ahead at the moment which is possible. But I know and so do the casino that long term I’ll give it back and more because of their house edge.

 

[PeenyBunslinger]

5000 spins would also be a tiny sample size

Slots temple don’t control the actual game ffs!!

Not unlike the temperature at which steel melts, the shape of the Earth, or which country Barrack Obama was born in, that's all a matter of personal opinion.

 

[avfcalex23]

They have control over the maths model they take. Then that’s it.

Im sorry but you need educating.

Talking of facts and posting them here.

Here are my deposits and withdrawals there.

From my bank account in case you think the casino is skewing them!!

I’m ahead at the moment which is possible. But I know and so do the casino that long term I’ll give it back and more because of their house edge.

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I disagree. But that’s fine, and you can tell me I need educating but I’m absolutely convinced casinos rig games at certain times and periods when they want to.

What I do need educating on, is how to check the total deposits and withdrawals as your screenshot appears to either be starling or monzo which I have both of but have no idea how to check one or the other totals.

 

[satchnz]

I disagree. But that’s fine, and you can tell me I need educating but I’m absolutely convinced casinos rig games at certain times and periods when they want to.

a.k.a. a bad run of luck.

 

[avfcalex23]

a.k.a. a bad run of luck.

Aka you’re way too trusting.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

If you don’t trust them then why play?? If you honestly believe the casinos themselves can interfere with your game play and affect base wins and festures etc etc then why the fuck would u ever make a deposit!! Makes no sense.

Yes it was from monzo.

Click on a transaction from said vendor.

Scroll down and click on number of transactions. It will take a few seconds to load next screen and then another few seconds to total it up. Of course deposits and withdrawals are not an RTP marker at all.

If you think playing 94% on one site is better than 96% on another then there is no point in discussing further.

Long term the casinos house edge is another 50% more on the lower RTP. Which is why they are all going that way.

You should be supporting a place like slots temple not slagging them off because you’ve ran shit on a meagre amount of spins especially on games like big bass clones.

 

[satchnz]

Aka you’re way too trusting.

I don’t think I could add anything useful to what @PMKFRUITPRO has already said. I too have been going through a bad run recently, but I know that this is due to the variability of gambling and nothing to do with anything underhanded.

I’ve already mentioned that I too haven’t had a great experience at ST but I’ve only made say 3-4 deposits there so my sample size is minute. In fact I cannot seem to win when playing in £s, but I don’t often do anymore. Again, this is the variability of gambling and nothing dodgy.

 

[toslotornot]

Big Bass Halloween 2 is still 96.71% at bet365. other pragmatic slots still on 96%+... 3 genie wishes, chilli heat, diamond strike, gold rush, great rhino, great rhino megaways, joker's jewels, Fonzo's Feline Fortunes, The Dog House Dice Show, Fortune of Olympus, Escape the Pyramid: Fire & Ice, Gorilla Mayhem, Mystic Chief.

 

[satchnz]

Big Bass Halloween 2 is still 96.71% at bet365. other pragmatic slots still on 96%+... 3 genie wishes, chilli heat, diamond strike, gold rush, great rhino, great rhino megaways, joker's jewels, Fonzo's Feline Fortunes, The Dog House Dice Show, Fortune of Olympus, Escape the Pyramid: Fire & Ice, Gorilla Mayhem.

The thing is if I cannot log into a casino and choose a slot that I know will be at max RTP then I just can’t be arsed playing there. I normally flick through a slot’s paytable when I first play it but I’m not going to do this every time.

 

[PeenyBunslinger]

The large majority, possibly all, of Pragmatic's slots on HollywoodBets are still set to 96%. I think all their Print Studios and BTG games are still max RTP too. Hacksaw and NLC games are a mix of 96/94/92.

If your regular just slashed RTPs and you're looking for somewhere new then it might be worth your time looking at HollywoodBets.

 

[avfcalex23]

If you don’t trust them then why play?? If you honestly believe the casinos themselves can interfere with your game play and affect base wins and festures etc etc then why the fuck would u ever make a deposit!! Makes no sense.

Yes it was from monzo.

Click on a transaction from said vendor.

Scroll down and click on number of transactions. It will take a few seconds to load next screen and then another few seconds to total it up. Of course deposits and withdrawals are not an RTP marker at all.

If you think playing 94% on one site is better than 96% on another then there is no point in discussing further.

Long term the casinos house edge is another 50% more on the lower RTP. Which is why they are all going that way.

You should be supporting a place like slots temple not slagging them off because you’ve ran shit on a meagre amount of spins especially on games like big bass clones.

Any more swear words to add to your angry rant?

Thanks for the monzo insight.

 

[2Slots]

I wonder if they have picked the big bass slots to drop RTP because they're so popular. I've even heard a radio ad for some casino offering 100 free spins on big bass as part of the sign up.

I'd assume the majority of people who play them won't be checking sites like this or know about things like different RTP versions, just open slot and spin and the casinos must know that.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Any more swear words to add to your angry rant?

Thanks for the monzo insight.

Just the 2 thanks.

Fuck and shit.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

In all seriousness it wasnt a rant in the slightest.

You were calling out a casino for interfering in your gameplay and suggesting that slots temple were dodgy.

Without using bad language I will reiterate again.

If anybody thinks whst you clearly do then why on earth would you consider giving them a coin??

Think about the reason why 99% of casinos are using lower RTP models now??

Is it to give our friend Alex a better game play experience?? Or is it to make more money to cover additional costs??

It massively increases their profit. Let’s see how long slots temple can hold out.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

What makes me chuckle is the notion that they're doing all this mad cloak and dagger shit with advanced otherworldly technologies specifically designed to fuck with people on a case-by-case basis when they literally just have a big red 'MAKE MORE MONEY' button that they can press whenever they want to, which is to run the game at a lower RTP model.

96% to 94%, boom, we just increased our house edge by 50%.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Language young Chopley, language.

 

[satchnz]

What makes me chuckle is the notion that they're doing all this mad cloak and dagger shit with advanced otherworldly technologies specifically designed to fuck with people on a case-by-case basis when they literally just have a big red 'MAKE MORE MONEY' button that they can press whenever they want to, which is to run the game at a lower RTP model.

96% to 94%, boom, we just increased our house edge by 50%.

Exactly! They have the ‘MAKE MORE MONEY’ button on 100% of the time.

 

[avfcalex23]

In all seriousness it wasnt a rant in the slightest.

You were calling out a casino for interfering in your gameplay and suggesting that slots temple were dodgy.

Without using bad language I will reiterate again.

If anybody thinks whst you clearly do then why on earth would you consider giving them a coin??

Think about the reason why 99% of casinos are using lower RTP models now??

Is it to give our friend Alex a better game play experience?? Or is it to make more money to cover additional costs??

It massively increases their profit. Let’s see how long slots temple can hold out.

A lot of what you say makes sense (sorry I don’t know your name)

But this is a forum, a forum for debate, communication and conversation. You’re coming across incredibly bothered by the way I view and feel about these casinos. You feel like you need to support them or back them up to the point where you’re raging to a stranger on the internet.

Slots temple isn’t going to give you any free spins for having their back. In fact, on the contrary, this super duper 96% RTP casino gives absolutely sweet FA in bonuses and free spins apart from some free tournaments with a top prize of £15 and effectively impossible to reap any rewards. Woeful, embarrassing casino, with little to no care for their customers.

 

[SYPlayer95]

A lot of what you say makes sense (sorry I don’t know your name)

But this is a forum, a forum for debate, communication and conversation. You’re coming across incredibly bothered by the way I view and feel about these casinos. You feel like you need to support them or back them up to the point where you’re raging to a stranger on the internet.

Slots temple isn’t going to give you any free spins for having their back. In fact, on the contrary, this super duper 96% RTP casino gives absolutely sweet FA in bonuses and free spins apart from some free tournaments with a top prize of £15 and effectively impossible to reap any rewards. Woeful, embarrassing casino, with little to no care for their customers.

You are just experiencing variance. I hear you, i have had the best results on All British Casino. I reached £100k worth of withdrawals recently. I stand £20k in the green. I am aware their slots are not on the top RTP, but I do well there.

I am also not bothered about slots Temple, they gave me a lousy deposit limit and wouldn't increase it. There response was see how you get on. £100 deposit at £5 a spin is not going to last long.

In fact any site that does free tournaments or give free spins valued at 10p, I couldn't care less about.

My regularly stake £5, uk max.

As PMK says, technically speaking it's one of the best sites to play on due to their RTP, over time, you will get more play for your money.

 

[PeenyBunslinger]

Slots temple isn’t going to give you any free spins for having their back.

He's defending common sense, not Slot Temple.

I'm not surprised he snapped at you because I'm also regularly annoyed by your behaviour. All your kooky little theories are wildly ignorant and your posts pertaining to them are patently disengenious. You pretend to be looking for information, but it's obvious you're just looking for other conspiracists who agree with you to reinforce your preconceived beliefs.

But it looks like you might've moved on from, "they're controlling the slots to steal my money," to, "they have shit promotions and don't give out enough free spins," so maybe we're making some progress here.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

A lot of what you say makes sense (sorry I don’t know your name)

But this is a forum, a forum for debate, communication and conversation. You’re coming across incredibly bothered by the way I view and feel about these casinos. You feel like you need to support them or back them up to the point where you’re raging to a stranger on the internet.

Slots temple isn’t going to give you any free spins for having their back. In fact, on the contrary, this super duper 96% RTP casino gives absolutely sweet FA in bonuses and free spins apart from some free tournaments with a top prize of £15 and effectively impossible to reap any rewards. Woeful, embarrassing casino, with little to no care for their customers.

Raging

Wow.

 

[TheAddict]

@avfcalex23

You're always gonna be unlucky at one place if playing at different casinos all the time.
People used to talk about places they won at regular, their "go to" casinos which they loved. Yet I'd frown because I found I barely hit a bean on them. Yet I've read people complain about casinos where I'm well into the green.

Take @SYPlayer95 who might be getting thrown free spins from Jan to pretend he wins at ABC, but assuming he is serious,. he's 20k in the green at ABC. Me, despite having over 100 wild lines on DOA throughout my career, I had never hit one (or pretty muchanything, on anything) at ABC. Granted, I didn't play there a huge amount, though still do occasionally deposit. But I've just never rolled well there, with many sessions sucking so bad.

Jus wonna dem things, innit

 

[avfcalex23]

He's defending common sense, not Slot Temple.

I'm not surprised he snapped at you because I'm also regularly annoyed by your behaviour. All your kooky little theories are wildly ignorant and your posts pertaining to them are patently disengenious. You pretend to be looking for information, but it's obvious you're just looking for other conspiracists who agree with you to reinforce your preconceived beliefs.

But it looks like you might've moved on from, "they're controlling the slots to steal my money," to, "they have shit promotions and don't give out enough free spins," so maybe we're making some progress here.

You’re another one on here that I just don’t want to ever hear from. Every time your name comes up it’s

‘Annoyed by your behaviour’.

Honestly mate, go and have an irn bru and chill out. There’s literally no need for you to be getting annoyed on a casino forum on the internet.

 

[avfcalex23]

You are just experiencing variance. I hear you, i have had the best results on All British Casino. I reached £100k worth of withdrawals recently. I stand £20k in the green. I am aware their slots are not on the top RTP, but I do well there.

I am also not bothered about slots Temple, they gave me a lousy deposit limit and wouldn't increase it. There response was see how you get on. £100 deposit at £5 a spin is not going to last long.

In fact any site that does free tournaments or give free spins valued at 10p, I couldn't care less about.

My regularly stake £5, uk max.

As PMK says, technically speaking it's one of the best sites to play on due to their RTP, over time, you will get more play for your money.

Yourself and @TheAddict above with sensible and polite replies, I can get on board with. Even when you may disagree with a point of view, you’re respectful.

To get annoyed off a forum thread about online slots opinions is wild and the ones above raging about it need to get a hobby, sorry.

 

[SYPlayer95]

@avfcalex23

You're always gonna be unlucky at one place if playing at different casinos all the time.
People used to talk about places they won at regular, their "go to" casinos which they loved. Yet I'd frown because I found I barely hit a bean on them. Yet I've read people complain about casinos where I'm well into the green.

Take @SYPlayer95 who might be getting thrown free spins from Jan to pretend he wins at ABC, but assuming he is serious,. he's 20k in the green at ABC. Me, despite having over 100 wild lines on DOA throughout my career, I had never hit one (or pretty muchanything, on anything) at ABC. Granted, I didn't play there a huge amount, though still do occasionally deposit. But I've just never rolled well there, with many sessions sucking so bad.

Jus wonna dem things, innit

 

[TheAddict]

 

[2Slots]

By far the worst casino I’ve played at. I keep testing the waters in hope it’ll change, but it doesn’t.

Attached are a few screens of my results from a 10 minute session today on Big bass Christmas bonanza. Medium volatility, on almost every other casino I play at I’m hitting a bonus fairly quickly into the session. You can see below 70 base game spins with 3 winning spins at a maximum of 2x my stake. I have had 350 spins on this slot today before giving up.

Every single session is exactly the same. I have requested my RTP results from ST which they have said they will email me in due course. Upon requesting, they blocked my account pending affordability questions. Reopened today, and nothing has changed. I’ve also recently tried some PNG, light and wonder and BTG games with my usual Prags and the results are the same. No base game wins, no bonuses.

Straight onto paddy power on the same game and a 100x feature win after 11 spins.

Something is not right.

I looked at those screenshots and couldn't see anything wrong, big bass always played like that for me

What you suggest about RTP and certain times, controlling every aspect etc. just wouldn't be worth it.

Firstly it would be illegal according to the UK regs. The big UK companies are turning over billions every year and making between 300m-500m profit. It would be extremely unlikely for any one of them let alone the smaller companies to risk those kinds of profits to be exposed for doing something so unnecessary either by players or even their competitors who would probably love to take their market share.

Secondly they can do plenty of things to increase profits like go for lower RTP versions, like is happening, or even just introduce/promote other products with better margins or faster turnaround than slots i.e. bingo 70-85% RTP, in-house progressive jackpots 85% RTP etc.

Thirdly to change the RTP at certain times or profile players and control every aspect of a slot would require a hell of a lot of additional programming and all the overheads that come with it like additional servers and staff, to do something that is illegal. It would be like a slot company having to implement a simpler version of all the real-time monitoring and feedback that goes into something like google maps. Would be ridiculous tbh.

Also, just for fun, what if it's the site's that you do well at that could be up to something

Personally I was way more skeptical of slots that played too well when I first started, just always felt like I was being set up for something!