Has anyone else noticed Big Time Gaming have a new update/Version on their slots and i found on 1 site (Kwiffed.com) slots such as Bonanza, Millionaire, Danger High Voltate are running at 94. whatever % ! I thought BTG games RTP's were not changeable but looks like they are now ..
Big time gaming now have changeable RTP's?
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Been the case for months now.
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I wonder if its worth having a list of those who don't although considering the trajectory that list will likely not have anyone on it soon!
I have noticed that providers who do lower RTPs never got round to adding variants of some games as I've reliably found the games at 96%+ whilst most games are turned down to 94% or lower. A few examples listed below:
- Print Studios - Royal Potato, Out of the Ice, Huntress Wild Vengeance, Crystal Golem
- Relax Gaming - Hex, Moneycart 1/2, Zombie Circus, Dragons Awakening
- Games Global Studios - Lucky Leprechaun Clusters, Oni Hunter Plus, Breakaway Deluxe, Basketball Star Deluxe, Football Star Deluxe
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Yup, they offered German-only RTPs (around 90%) for a while, but now they've caved in and started offering lowered versions (94% etc) of an increasing part of their back catalogue.
Much like a decade ago it was player choice because of the limited number of providers (with plucky upstarts like NetEnt), now it's operator choice because there are far too many providers trying to gain visibility... why WH will ask for - and get - 88% RTP slots.
Couple of factors here - the popularity of the game, and the difficulty of retrofitting new maths models. If you avoid the well-trodden path you'll find plenty of games still at 96% - but that will sadly change over time.
The worrying part is providers that are taking the step to eliminate 96% entirely - that is a dangerous step and one that should be challenged.
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It isn't that bad across them all providers, by the way. Only Novomatic's are at around 90%, but most others are not lower than 94% except for a few slots from Hölle Games.
Below is Löwen Play. In Germany, it has similar popularity as WH here. All games with a blue badge in the bottom corner are 94%+ and those without are below that.
Eye of Horus for example is at 94,83%, and Book of Dead 94,25%.
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BTG have been crap on 96% for ages now so we'll need help on 94%, although some will say "nothings changed" 
prior to the RTP cut.
Some streamers will still hit crazy 'x' regardless of RTP
No proof and not getting into any lengthy debates with anyone but I (and others) would maybe suggest the lowers RTP's have been around and running for a while now, just they've finally got round to "advertising" it whether compliant or not.
prior to the RTP cut.Some streamers will still hit crazy 'x' regardless of RTP
No proof and not getting into any lengthy debates with anyone but I (and others) would maybe suggest the lowers RTP's have been around and running for a while now, just they've finally got round to "advertising" it whether compliant or not.
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So where is the consumption tax being paid? 5% of stakes isn't something you can really hide, so if they're not shaving it off the headline RTP (the 90% maths models) they must be adding it on top? It's the same scenario fundamentally, just painted differently...
If we take Eye of Horus above, a 21c (for simplicity) spin of a 20c game would be 90.3% effective RTP... I would say it makes things easier for the providers, but if Germany won't take it, William Hill certainly will...
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Myself and a few friends have pretty much stopped playing slots now. I will have the odd deposit if a casino with proper rtp offers me a good bonus but im pretty much done.
Half the casinos stall payment, dont pay or just nerf the rtp.
Ruined the entire experience and have zero interest anymore.
Half the casinos stall payment, dont pay or just nerf the rtp.
Ruined the entire experience and have zero interest anymore.
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Just wow, a lose-lose for everyone except WH.
A bizarre twist created by increased provider competition and increased regulation being a possible contributor - reducing operator competition in many markets.
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Yup, and the sad part is that increased provider competition doesn't translate into increased variety of slots either - everyone trying to make their own Book of Ra clone, or Pharaoh's Tomb (Eye of Horus), or Lightning Link, or 3 Pots...
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I'd happily go back to playing at MG only Viper Client casinos in the blink of an eye.
The weird thing is they never used to display their RTPs, until they were finally forced to, and it turned out basically everything was at 95.5%-97%, so it's not like they'd ever been hiding anything!
The weird thing is they never used to display their RTPs, until they were finally forced to, and it turned out basically everything was at 95.5%-97%, so it's not like they'd ever been hiding anything!
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Great game choice, good overall player experience and the times when I'd REALLY enjoy a session, especially after work most Friday's when good old 32Red did a 100% reload
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Viper, Viper...if that ever made a comeback, I'd start playing again.
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I'd go back as well Chops.....and I would do so MUCH FASTER than even you (or Jono) would.
Because that's how much I loved MG Viper.
THE. GOLD. STANDARD. And no one on planet Earth will stand a chance in hell of convincing me otherwise.
If MG Viper still existed, I'd be shilling on its behalf more than you have ever "shilled" on behalf of 3Dice.
Which is really saying something.
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Those were the days mateNo hesitation, no thought, no looking back.
A true 7/10 value for money session, even if end result was a bust out.
Great game choice, good overall player experience and the times when I'd REALLY enjoy a session, especially after work most Friday's when good old 32Red did a 100% reload
Also liked their sister casinos (Dash, Golden Lounge and Nedplay).
Have to admit, I used to enter that Daily Avalon Freeroll any chance I got and with all 4 accounts to boot. No wonder I won it a handful of times
Also quite liked the Fortune Lounge Group (7 Sultans, Euro Palace, Platinum Play, Royal Vegas and Vegas Palms).
Unfortunately, they exited the UK market a mere 12 months after I joined CM.
But I really enjoyed what little time I had there.
And of course, Casino Rewards. A place that I still play at today, despite the WR being hiked up to 200xB from 30xB
. Have actually beaten the WR a handful of times, believe it or not.Needless to say, I take their bonuses a hell of a lot less frequently nowadays.
There is that saying....you never truly appreciate something until it's gone.
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Nedplay for the Scots (lol) and the 32Red sister sites. Fortune Lounge I took a bonus at every single one of the 10+ sites and coverted about half. There was also another big group who later went dodgy where I did the same, Jackpot City Group.Those were the days mate
Also liked their sister casinos (Dash, Golden Lounge and Nedplay).
Have to admit, I used to enter that Daily Avalon Freeroll any chance I got and with all 4 accounts to boot. No wonder I won it a handful of times
Also quite liked the Fortune Lounge Group (7 Sultans, Euro Palace, Platinum Play, Royal Vegas and Vegas Palms).
Unfortunately, they exited the UK market a mere 12 months after I joined CM.
But I really enjoyed what little time I had there.
And of course, Casino Rewards. A place that I still play at today, despite the WR being hiked up to 200xB from 30xB
Needless to say, I take their bonuses a hell of a lot less frequently nowadays.
There is that saying....you never truly appreciate something until it's gone.
That is MG Viper for me in a nutshell.
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yep another provider who has killed their newer games off, will only play their older releases and if they change those its bye bye btg.
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BTG have been crap on 96% for ages now so we'll need help on 94%, although some will say "nothings changed"
Some streamers will still hit crazy 'x' regardless of RTP
No proof and not getting into any lengthy debates with anyone but I (and others) would maybe suggest the lowers RTP's have been around and running for a while now, just they've finally got round to "advertising" it whether compliant or not.
Well, as per the norm, I needed to question my rtp for a certain period, as it was absolutely ****ing shocking. I don’t know what period they’ve taken the rtp from, but it certainly wasn’t the period I asked for.
What I noticed in the reply though, was that she states the game is running at 94.62%. Really! That’s not what it says in the help file.
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Live Help staff do not get access to the "real information" 
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I had to wait a week for that reply, via email, because “live chat” didn’t have access to that information, so that’s apparently from someone higher up in the structure.Live Help staff do not get access to the "real information"
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Snorky running over RTP as per!!!!
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I don’t know where they’ve plucked that from. There’s not a chance it’s from the period I enquired about.
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Never, ever going to happen but if these games are running at (or close to) their advertised RTP and above board and squeaky clean as we're led to believe, then players should get full access to stats, workings, under the bonnet etc.
May sound daft to some (most?) but if players know what they're getting in to and what they're getting into is honest to what they're told then should they still choose to play then no one could ever complain again.
May sound daft to some (most?) but if players know what they're getting in to and what they're getting into is honest to what they're told then should they still choose to play then no one could ever complain again.
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