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CROWN VEGAS / SUNSET PALACE: insight into, and portrait of, an RTG casino manager

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caruso

Banned User - repetitive violations of 1.6 - troll
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I thought this deserved more prominent display.

Rick, manager of Crown Vegas / Sunset Palace, is looking to acquire player databases. In fact, he wants the whole nine yards: names, email addresses and PHONE NUMBERS.

He's soliciting this on the "Start Casino" board:

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Choice quotes from Rick, when someone expressed their doubts about the morality - and legality? - of asking other casinos to hand over their players' PHONE NUMBERS (for f**k's sake):

I imagine that I make more in a day than you make in a year. So please keep your comments to yourself, loser. Cheers, Rick.
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Why are you involved in this thread in the first place? This is an industry board, idiot. Nothing here concerns you, run along now.
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This is the front man of two casinos of one of the four main software providers. In fact, Crown Vegas was, some time back, the only RTG casino featured at Casinomeister, if memory serves me correctly.

Rick, would you care to comment on your gross lack of professionalism? Soliciting this kind of invasion of players' privacy in the first place, then calling the poster who questioned the request an "idiot" and a "loser"?

He's a member here, to:

https://sussexmskpartnershipeast.com/forums/members/rick-crownvegas.4817/)

Do RTG management condone this kind of thing? Is it even legal?

Originally mentioned in the Club Player thread:

https://sussexmskpartnershipeast.com/forums/threads/club-player-hijinks.8948/
 
Rick and Crown Vegas

What a nice and friendly attitude for a new casino owner to have. :eek:

I certainly won't be surprised to see numerous posts in the ONLINE CASINO COMPLAINTS forum about Crown Vegas and whatever other casino you own.

Great way to try to get new players, by buying data bases and then SPAMMING people. :rolleyes:

I now know at least one casino I won't ever try.
 
I see in Rick's profile that he mentions having over 10,000 happy customers.
I wonder how happy they would be knowing they are depositing with someone with the business sense of a 5 year old. Or maybe thats giving him too much credit.

Happy to report though that my Crown Vegas account has been locked for quite some time :thumbsup:
 
casinomeister said:
Please don't confuse the owners with their managers :D
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Posted by Rick on the Start Casino forum:

I own a number of online casinos and other high volume businesses.
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The full quote was this:

I'm sure that I know a little more than you about how this business is run as I own a number of online casinos and other high volume businesses. I imagine that I make more in a day than you make in a year. So please keep your comments to yourself loser.

Cheers
Rick
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A few more choice quotes from these unsavoury folk:

From "Mike" - "And Coaster stop crying about Spam - I know people who make 10k easily daily"

From Rick: "Contact me discreetly, Rick at CrownVegas dot com."

From Rick: "I'm sure that I know a little more than you about how this business is run as I own a number of online casinos and other high volume businesses. I imagine that I make more in a day than you make in a year. So please keep your comments to yourself loser."

But the players had the last word in the sudden silence that followed Coaster's expose:

"It seems your 'tough guy, smart ass' responses are coming back to haunt you."
 
Apologies

Hi everyone,

Just to clarify on what happened. Crownvegas.com recently switched administration. I currently operate it and we had some employee turnovers as well. An ex employee still had access to his email and was taking advantage of it. It's been taken care of, but under no circumstances are we encouraging that type of behavior. We're using traditional advertising and still looking for more, if anyone here has casino portal sites then feel free to contact me. Thanks,

Tony
[email protected]
icq 272-017-313
 
An ex employee still had access to his email and was taking advantage of it.
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If I had a dollar for everytime I've heard this excuse, I'd be busy planning my retirement.

Ok...so just who is this ex-employee? Is it Rick? Is it Mike? Is it Curly or Shemp?

Tony--do YOU own Crown Vegas or does Rick own Crown Vegas?

This all seems a bit slithery.
 
greedygirl said:
If I had a dollar for everytime I've heard this excuse, I'd be busy planning my retirement.

Ok...so just who is this ex-employee? Is it Rick? Is it Mike? Is it Curly or Shemp?

Tony--do YOU own Crown Vegas or does Rick own Crown Vegas?

This all seems a bit slithery.
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While it may not be believable to you, it's in fact true. While most our efforts have been concentrated in ensuring the smooth transaction, we've had a situation like this derail our progress. It's been taken care of right now and it will not happen again.

Crown Vegas/Sunset Palace were in fact sold, if you want to sign a NDA I can provide more details to you. We will be spending more money on advertising, we will be expanding our affiliate program, offering better incentives to affiliates and players, and overall providing a better experience for our casinos. As I've heard from many people, Casinomeister is a mostly unbiased forum and we respect everyone's opinion here. Look for us to be more proactive in ensuring everyone is happy here.
 
There was a buzz (rumour) last week that there had been an ownership change. I thought that meant Rick was the new man on the block, God help us.

I guess it would he hoping for too much that this character leaves the industry before doing it any further damage, or has a major epiphany over this incident.

On the other hand he may just be a *****, which does rhyme with his name.
 
CrownVegas said:
An ex employee still had access to his email and was taking advantage of it.
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So "Rick@CrownVegas" who signed up here and posted the following is a rogue ex-employee :what:
Sunset Palace is a sister casino to Crown Vegas. Both are under new management, expect to see some exciting player offers and new games shortly.

Cheers
Rick
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What exactly would be in it for him? A power trip? Is this the same rogue ex-employee who posted on start.casino forum? Where's the advantage in his using a CrownVegas e-mail address to solicit databases? Assuming things are as you say, then we have to also assume he's taken the existing CrownVegas database to use for his own ends? Something doesn't quite add up :rolleyes:
 
Don't Gambling Federation have the copywrite on the "ex-employee" line?

Yep, those posts were all made here a grand total of three days ago (19th July), by Rick. That was some swift management change, taking a grand total of two days to accomplish.

Also, this "ex-employee" is the chosen representative on the Casinomeister forum for Crown Vegas / Sunset Palace. He clearly IS the "Rick" of the Start casino forum, because why sign up here under that name here, if not? Coincidence??

And tellingly: note when Rick made his initial post at Start Casino, and when he signed up at Casinomeister: 6th July. Coincidence??

Methinks this is not some lowly ex-employee.

The more credible explanation is that the manager of CV / SP is Rick, who recently took over the business, and who managed to get caught with his pants down while involved in shady business negotiations and is currently damage-limiting, in true online casino tradition.
 
jetset said:
There was a buzz (rumour) last week that there had been an ownership change. I thought that meant Rick was the new man on the block
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I will guess that you thought right.
 
greedygirl said:
CV--

Thank you for the reply, however, you did not answer the key question, so I'll rephrase this for you:

Is Rick the ex-employee or is Mike the ex-employee?

It's a fair question, given each of these "gentlemen" were involved in this mess.
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Mike does live help. Rick is an ex designer (former employee) that helped with banners and general design work who was the culprit. Actually, I'd like to thank whichever affiliate called in to let us know about the posting, his email might have been active a little longer had we not received the tip.
 

The actual sale took months to finalize. The actual turnover was a couple of weeks ago, the same time Rick decided to signup and attempt to portray as if he was still working for us. The only thing I can do is explain our side of the story the truth. You can icq me and we can talk further, you can email me, whatever you'd like.
 
Vesuvio said:
So "Rick@CrownVegas" who signed up here and posted the following is a rogue ex-employee :what:

What exactly would be in it for him? A power trip? Is this the same rogue ex-employee who posted on start.casino forum? Where's the advantage in his using a CrownVegas e-mail address to solicit databases? Assuming things are as you say, then we have to also assume he's taken the existing CrownVegas database to use for his own ends? Something doesn't quite add up :rolleyes:
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ok, while I am not Rick so I can't justify his motivation I can only imagine he was looking to either ruin our reputation, or try screwing over people who gave him lists and then have the blame fall on us. Rick did not, will ever not, have access to CV's database, that's secure 100%. He did have access to his email account, that's about it.
 
Boy oh boy...this is going to turn into one big ugly can of worms, it appears.

Originally Posted by CrownVegas
The actual sale took months to finalize. The actual turnover was a couple of weeks ago, the same time Rick decided to signup and attempt to portray as if he was still working for us. The only thing I can do is explain our side of the story the truth.
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I'd like to be certain I'm clear on this point--Rick was already gone two weeks ago, when he did this nonsense?

Before I go further, I want to be fair and give you a chance to be 100% sure that this is accurate.
 
greedygirl said:
Boy oh boy...this is going to turn into one big ugly can of worms, it appears.



I'd like to be certain I'm clear on this point--Rick was already gone two weeks ago, when he did this nonsense?

Before I go further, I want to be fair and give you a chance to be 100% sure that this is accurate.
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He was fired about 2-3 weeks ago, if you want an exact date, I will have to call our office manager and find out when was the last date he was technically working for us. He did crappy design work, I was pretty blunt about it, not happy with the banners etc..I appreciate it if everyone would be fair, it's not easy entering this industry and the reason I'm here clearing this all up is because I know how important all the details are to run a sucessful operation. The last thing we need is something like this pressing on. Like I said, I'm easy to reach, if you want to talk, I can even pm you a toll free line to reach me, icq, email, whatever you want. Although, I'd like to focus now on growing the actual casinos.
 
CV--

I appreciate your quick responses.

Here's what has me a bit perplexed...

Tuesday, July 19th, I received an email from Rick (sent from the very same email address as the one used by Rick in the Start Casino thread):

Please send me your current list of advertising opportunities with prices.

Thanks
Rick
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I replied that due to some prior issues, we'd rather pass at this point.

Wednesday, July 20th, Rick replied (his reply was delivered, once again from the same address used by Rick in the Start Casino thread):

Would you be able to tell me what happened? We are under new management currently and have a very large ad budget.

Now I may not be the brightest bulb here, however, it seems quite odd to me that an employee who you dismissed two weeks ago, would now be actively seeking advertising situations for your casinos.

Originally Posted by CrownVegas
I appreciate it if everyone would be fair, it's not easy entering this industry and the reason I'm here clearing this all up is because I know how important all the details are to run a sucessful operation. The last thing we need is something like this pressing on. Like I said, I'm easy to reach, if you want to talk, I can even pm you a toll free line to reach me, icq, email, whatever you want.
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Unfortuately, this is a very public situation you've found yourself in and as such, should be cleared up publicly. I'm certainly trying to be fair, however, it doesn't take a brain surgeon to know something isn't right, here. There are too many inconsistencies throughout this situation, which need to be addressed.

I'll look forward to your response.
 

Since he still had access to the email that was him. What I think he was doing was looking for advertising to start his own affiliate sites, probably not with us. There's no way he was getting an affiliate account with us, but he probably wanted to setup something on his own and use our name to get a foot in the door. I understand that you specifically have a thing against RTG operators but like I said, I'm here to clear that misconception and get CrownVegas and SunsetPalace on the map.
 
Hi CrownVegas,

And welcome to the forum.

I'll be straight up with you here. Something is not kosher. I know the owners of Crown Vegas - I've met with them - had dinner with them - and in Montreal one of them even asked me if or when he could get CV back on board at Casinomeister. I wasn't aware of an ownership change, or a pending one, or whatever. But that's cool. That's not what's bugging me.

[email protected] signed up on the 6th in our forum, and made a few posts - all from the same IP.

He then emails me on the 19th the following:

Delivered-To: [email protected]
Delivered-To: [email protected]
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 20:45:27 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
Subject: advertising inquiry
From: "Rick - Crown Vegas Casino" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Reply-To: [email protected]
User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a
X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a
X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2005 00:45:27.0970 (UTC) FILETIME=[52BFB020:01C58CC4]

I recently joined your forum and are quite impressed with the quality of
the members, can you please forward me your advertising rate card and/or
what advertising opportunities you have available at your site including
your mailer which I am a subscriber to.

Cheers
Rick Scott
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Now this is came from the exact IP that he signed up with. I also thought it odd that no one at CV briefed him on the relationship between your casino and Casinomeister. Yes, it's correct that CV was listed here. But at a point a couple years ago, I discontinued endorsing casinos based in Costa Rica. Only recently has this changed.

Anyway, why would an ex-employee contact me for advertising? And as I write this, Rick@crownvegas is in the forum right now PMing Schwankwart (yes, I have these powers). He is signed in with the same IP as he has emailed me with. And this IP comes from the same server that is listed in his posts at Start Casino.

So, are you claiming that Rick is a rogue ex-employee who is masquerading as good ex-employee (as from his email dated 19 July), or what? :what:
 

Like I said, he was definitely looking to get advertising I assume for setting up affiliate sites. While pretending to still work for us. I'd imagine he would have not paid, or would have linked to sites not owned by our group, with his affiliate code then we get the bad rap.

I'm going to offer a 100% signup bonus ...<snip snip snip>
 
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I gotta leave like in two minutes - someone is picking me up.

But before I go, I just want to say I am tending to believe "Rick@cv is a rogue ex-employee. I've been PMing him ove the last few minutes. This is what I have:

______________________________

What's the deal?

casinomeister:
I hope you aren't here to turn my forum into a circus. Give me a reason why I shouldn't ban your account.

Sincerely,

Bryan
_________________________


Rick@CrownVegas
I'm not sure what I've posted here to indicate that I would do this to your forum?

Cheers
Rick
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casinomeister:
According to Crown Vegas, you are a rogue ex-employee of CV.

I'd like an explanation. Thanks!

Bryan

_________________________

Rick@CrownVegas
This is way too much drama for me. You might as well delete my username, I dont currently represent any casinos nor do I intend on continuing in the industry.

Cheers
Rick

And his email is bouncing.

Gotta go...
 
Originally Posted by CrownVegas
I understand that you specifically have a thing against RTG operators
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Excuse me? At issue here is not whether or not I have "a thing against RTG operators" or not. What IS the issue is that it does not appear that we're getting the facts.

Just to set the record straight, however, there are some wonderful RTG operators out there. INetBet, King Solomon's and BoDog comes to mind. In fact, BoDog has been an advertiser on our site for several months and I look forward to a long and happy relationship with them.

If indeed any of what you are stating concerning "Rick" is true, I would then have to question the management practices within your organization. Security is paramount with any online gambling operation. The notion that an ex-employee's email access was not blocked immediately upon dismissal is a huge gaffe in security. Are you saying this was an oversight? If so, when did you catch it? When these issues suddenly came to light?

There are far too many coincidences and inconsistencies here. In fact, the deeper we get into this, the more puzzling it becomes.

Originally Posted by CrownVegas
like I said, I'm here to clear that misconception and get CrownVegas and SunsetPalace on the map.
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Well, if nothing else, you're certainly accomplishing this, though probably not in the manner you had hoped.
 
And please don't post bonus offers in the forum during a PR crisis. I feel that's in rather bad taste. Thanks! You can always do that in the "Strictly Commercial" section.
 

I think the idea of legal action against him might consider him to stop instead of digging a deeper whole.
 
I am still a bit confused here.

Most of these posts seem to have happened on the 19th.

Bryan and Greedygirl were contacted on the 19th.

Rick signed up on the 6th as manager.

So when again was Rick fired? And when did the change of ownership take place? And why is a banner designer even posting at all? :confused:
 
CrownVegas said:
I think the idea of legal action against him might consider him to stop instead of digging a deeper whole.
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One humble comment from Japanese gentlemen who signed up with CV and SP here.

I am not sure if selling e-mail adress, phone number (!), home adress is
illegal in U.S or European countries, but since he is conducting this morally
unacceptable business in explicit way, I reallly strongly believe you will charge against him legally if it is thinkable.

But Rick The Probably Ex-Employee looks not having enough brain size to think he might be sued for what he has posted.
 
universexf6 said:
One humble comment from Japanese gentlemen who signed up with CV and SP here.

I am not sure if selling e-mail adress, phone number (!), home adress is
illegal in U.S or European countries, but since he is conducting this morally
unacceptable business in explicit way, I reallly strongly believe you will charge against him legally if it is thinkable.

But Rick The Probably Ex-Employee looks not having enough brain size to think he might be sued for what he has posted.
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We have a lawyer on retainer looking into the matter. I'm thinking he will end up with a C&D refraining him from ever doing anything casino related.
 
I don't have the feeling that we're getting the whole story here, somehow.

And Crown Vegas has shown an alarming lack of judgement in trying to divert attention from the central issue here by attacking GG regarding RTG casinos, and trying to get a promo plug into a clearly perilous PR situation.

It boggles the mind to see that sort of thing.

Perhaps Rick Scott bears a little deeper investigation, as it does not appear to me that this guy is a mere designer acting on his own, and prancing around talking about how many casinos and businesses he owns, and how much cash he earns.

Something is definitely not right here, and that means there will be more digging. I think if RTG is following this thread (and I know they do monitor things here from time to time) this may be a good time to advise whoever is behind the scenes at CV to come clean and avoid further damage.
 
Some dumbass, clearly following the Casinomeister discussion, posted an idiot response on the Start Casino board, posing as "Greedy Girl". Whether or not anything can be inferred about the identity of the poster from the fact that the original Greedy Girl has pressed CV quite hard in this thread, I don't know.
 
I suspect it's friend "Rick" again, and it's another telling insight into the cretinous nature of this guy's behaviour - all the more reason for seeing him off.

The guy clearly has the mentality of a three year old.
 

Well, my pizza delivery guy tells women he runs a diamond business, I guess some people will believe anything people say or write. Rick can do what he want as an invididual, it's his right and freedom of speech. If he wants to buy legitimately, assets of casinos, then let him, he's just not doing it for us. A lot of people and companies look for proprietary assets for sale. The only thing was rick was not doing it on our behalf. So Jetset please explain to me what's not clear still?
 
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As a point of logic, the following exchange is also consistent with Rick being a current casino owner who got caught and now is impersonating a disgruntled employee.

FYI

 
Re: Crown Vegas Casino

A big RED FLAG should pop up anytime this casinos name is mentioned.

The answers provided by Tony/Rick are purely an attempt at 'damage control' after the foolish comments made on the Start Casino forum.

This is the same attitude consistant with RTG operators in the past. Rick/Tony more than likely have been with other RTG casinos previously.

The silly post about GreedyGirl shows what type of low class people they are. And there is no doubt in most peoples minds that Rick posted that.

Damage control is second nature to some RTG casino owners. :rolleyes:

Stay Away from Crown Vegas Casino. :eek:
 

It's obvious you are another casino owner hiding behind a fake nickname. Rick does not own my casino, and I have not been involved with previous casinos. Your logic makes no sense, I didn't make any posts about greedygirl. I'm not going to argue with anyone anymore, and if anyone has any questions they can contact me directly. I don't feel like playing games with weasel casino operators who insist on fabricating rubbish since that's all I see here.

Tony
 
I can push the timeline back a bit:

Re: Major Player Data Base For Sale
Posted by: Rick@CrownVegas (---.kingkom.com)
Date: July 6, 2005 09:00AM


Please send test databases to rick at crownvegas dot com

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Posted by: Rick@CrownVegas (---.kingkom.com)
Date: July 6, 2005 09:04AM


Agreed. I do not see the problem with looking to aquire targeted player databases. This is the cornerstone of an effective advertising campaign.

Zeus Wrote:
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> Hi
>
> I do not believe using our real business name is
> stupid.
>
> In fact I believe the opposite, far too many
> operators hide behind free emails, and other
> "smoke and mirrors"
>
> Our organization believes in honesty, integrity
> and transparency.
>
> I do appreciate your input and thank you for
> taking the time to voice your opinion.
>
> Best of luck
>
> Z
>
>

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Originally Posted by CrownVegas
It's obvious you are another casino owner hiding behind a fake nickname.
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How on earth did you come to this conclusion, based upon what unicorn posted?

Originally Posted by CrownVegas
I don't feel like playing games with weasel casino operators who insist on fabricating rubbish since that's all I see here.
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Maybe it's just me, but that comment has a ring of "Rick" to it. Or perhaps it's an environmental thing around Crown Vegas and this is how they all behave?

One thing is clear, however. This isn't going to die down until all of the facts come forward...and they will.
 
greedygirl said:
How on earth did you come to this conclusion, based upon what unicorn posted?



Maybe it's just me, but that comment has a ring of "Rick" to it. Or perhaps it's an environmental thing around Crown Vegas and this is how they all behave?

One thing is clear, however. This isn't going to die down until all of the facts come forward...and they will.
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It's very much just you. You have made your intentions very clear that you are being biased and your anti RTG views are very apparant. At this point, it's really evident what you are trying to do, and your little credibility that you ever had is already going down. You are trying to play sherlock holmes, however, there's really nothing to solve. If you have so much free time, maybe you can do some exercising or something beneficial to this world instead of trying to start crap with me.
 
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Crown Vegas SUCKS

That last post from Crown Vegas is obvious proof that "Rick" is the person posting, and the one that posted on that other forum as GreedyGirl.

If you have so much free time, maybe you can do some exercising instead of trying to start crap with me.
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She is. She is 'exercising' her right to post what SCUM you are, and letting people know the type of people running Crown Vegas.

Rick, you've certainly managed to get some 'great' publicity for your casino with your postings on here. No wonder Michael Staw got a new CEO, he was fed up of dealing with people like you. :rolleyes:
 
CrownVegas said:
At this point, it's really evident what you are trying to do, and your little credibility that you ever had is already going down.
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Now if you were talking about yourself... :rolleyes: Getting caught in shady dealings on another forum, claiming it was a "rogue" employee & now making up similar posts there as a smokescreen. Classy stuff all round :thumbsup:
 

excuse me for defending myself, exactly how am I scum, and who are you? Let's see, greedygirl makes a false accusation, misconstrues facts, and I am the bad guy? I am not hiding anywhere, you can email, icq, or even call me. It seems the only bad guys here are the other casino owners trying to take down RTG, so unicorn, why don't you tell us who you really are?
 
unicorn40 said:
That last post from Crown Vegas is obvious proof that "Rick" is the person posting, and the one that posted on that other forum as GreedyGirl.
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I'd go with textual analysis :D Check out the misuse of commas to divide separate sentences - for example:

"Rick": Nothing here concerns you, run along now.

"Tony": excuse me for defending myself, exactly how am I scum, and who are you?

+ temper + unusual concern with ICQ - all seems to point to an obvious conclusion...
 
Crown Vegas SUCKS

Hey 'Rick', are you also involved with Club Player Casino?

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Selling customer database
Posted by: Club Player Casino (---.org)
Date: July 22, 2005 08:46PM


Please contact me discreetly, webmaster@clubplayercasino, we have a database with approximately 14000 players with full data for sale.

We are asking for $30000 to finance a new ad campaign, lowballers do not waste our time

Seems like something you would be well versed in. :rolleyes:

so unicorn, why don't you tell us who you really are?
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Why? so you can sell my information? :p
 
Please contact me discreetly, webmaster@clubplayercasino, we have a database with approximately 14000 players with full data for sale.
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There's that comma thing again :cool:

And again: "We buy customer databases, top dollar paid". That's Dan@AllSlots, obviously, and not our friend Rick/Tony...
 
CrownVegas said:
your little credibility that you ever had is already going down.
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Wow. Little credibility?

I think you are making a very big mistake here. Not only does Greedygirl have complete credibility, she also has great influence, and it's based on her reputation.

You have picked the wrong person to antagonize.
 


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