I did 100 bonus buys on White Rabbit by BTG here are the results

[lockinlove]

Hey everyone. I figured Id do something different around here for some kicks. Not sure how much traction this thread will get as I doubt anyone cares about White Rabbit. But it was the only slot the was so noticable to be gimped.

Maybe ill try bonanza one next. That should gain some attention and discussion

This 'study' took 2.5 months in total to obtain 100 bonus buys. I could do it in a few days but I wasnt committed like that. It was when I had time and to keep track

So a few months ago I decided to load some money and do some White Rabbit bonus for the first time in quite a few years. Upon returning and playing the slot I noticed a very different game. The difference in the way it plays, the mechanics, the lack of big wins, the lack of 5oak queens, the super rare 5oak queens 2 ways. When the slot retriggers it no longers goes around a clock, it just adds extra spins to your spin counter. So they changed the entire mechanics of it.

I noticed a drastic change. It was incredibly noticable. So much so it encouraged me 2 use 2 different casinos to test 100 bonus buys out on this slot. CasinoVibes and Fallsview. Both claim to be on the 96% model.

When this game first came out it was tough too but myself and other streamers would have good results and some fun on it. Not anymore. Its been totally messed with.

Usually when I notice a slot being weird or different I dont really care. I just leave it and off I go.

This slot was so bad and so different I thought I would do a little test.

100 bonus buys might not be a big sample size. Actually it was 148 bonus buys but I only started keeping track when I decided to put the results down. The other 48 bonus buys were the same type of stuff however zero retriggers.

I find these results to be absolutely shocking but not surprising from what I saw.

#1. Largest win was 284x

#2. Slot retriggered 3 times

#3. I only won 100x+ eight times out of 100 buys.

#4. The overall rtp is around 50%

I have done a lot of bonus buys on various slots. Some good, some bad.

This did not feel random whatsoever. This felt like it was absolutely 100% predetermined and set for negative returns on almost every round.

I am keeping track of 10 other slots doing 100 bonus buys on from various providers. That includes yggdrasil, pragmatic play, Quickfire, Truelab, Poppiplay and Thunderkick. (the dog house megaways being one, casino zeppelin reloaded being another)

So far these slots which are likely around the same volatility as white rabbit are out performing the results of White Rabbit ten fold. Various 200x wins, largest being 2000x, quite a few 500x per game and nothing even remotely close to the white rabbit results.

I might continue with white rabbit to get to 1000 bonus buys but the problem is the losses are too much. They are nowhere near 96% rtp whatsoever and the slot seems completely gimped. Yes all I need is one big win to get it all back and likely meet the rtp which is possible.

But to be 100 bonus buys in goes to show one thing. Do not and I repeat do not do bonus buys on this slot. The entertainment factor alone is terrible and the results, misses and play is extremely repetitive. The big wins are way too far apart to even bother. I actually notice this trend on all BTG bonus buy slots. They arent right and seem extremely flawed.

I seriously have not seen a slot like this payout ever. If you notice the payouts they seem normal..until you notice the lack of any good hits. There werent any in 100 bonus buys.

I dunno thought it would be fun to share. Hope you enjoy the read!

 

[Wait!What?]

I believe if you would have done 100 buys on the trot it would have been different. (To the people who are going to post after me- Please don't ask me to those 100 buys)
Btw how many buys did you do per session?

 

[lockinlove]

I believe if you would have done 100 buys on the trot it would have been different. (To the people who are going to post after me- Please don't ask me to those 100 buys)
Btw how many buys did you do per session?

Right around 10 buys per session. Usually would do it once per week. I wanted to make it somewhat realistic as nobody does 100 bonus buys straight. So tried to stick to 10 at a time.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Just do on free play!! Much cheaper!!

I do a lot of ‘research’ this way.

 

[lockinlove]

Just do on free play!! Much cheaper!!

I do a lot of ‘research’ this way.

Yeah Ill test it out and see if its the same. I was a bit worried fake play rtp is different.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Apparently it has to be exactly the same.

Somebody in the know here sake so a while back in another thread.

But then somebody found a provider that was being naughty and had the demo versions on over 100%.

Who’s have thought it eh???

 

[Wait!What?]

White hat casinos have same RTP on demo and real slots. Might wanna try that.

 

[Kroffe]

Those results look very similar to what i usually get. ( not done a buy in ages now tho )
Form my experience it has always had lottery odds of getting a 500x+ win from the bonus, but the upside has been that most buys will give back somewhere around 40-60% of the buy cost, and the bonus also takes a while to play out so even with a small balance you dont bust right away.

Like i sad it has been quite a while since i last did buy because last time i had a re-trigger i know the clock was there.

 

[dunover]

Yeah Ill test it out and see if its the same. I was a bit worried fake play rtp is different.

Funny that, here is my demo play video when BTG introduced bonus buys to their casino games back in the day, temporarily, to UK IPs before it was stopped. I logged-in and tested the feature out in demo, getting this monster.



IIRC it exceeds the biggest ever real-money one on YT by about 10%??

The bent demo slot thread is here, which Videoslots were caught up in:

Thread 'Demo play not the same as real - GameArt slots'

Jan 25, 2018

There is a game called Thunder Bird from GameArt.

I like the game, played some in real with mixed results.

But the past few days, I've been playing in fun mode at VideoSlots. I've tried both desktop and mobile platforms.

This game in demo mode hits the bonus like crazy. Rare to go fifty spins without one. Less than 10 spins is common. I've only once gone over 100 spins.

Took me less than 1/2 hour today to get my balance, starting with 500 and $10 bets to over 100K, with max bet of $40. The other day it took me nearly an hour

Only once have I lost the initial stake of $500, and...

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[Reelsoffun]

No real surprise that your bonus buys struggle to deliver a massive hit or many over the cost really, as others have pointed out it very often gives excess of 40x back so the math don’t support those kind of wins at the frequency your maybe expecting from other providers.

Bit of an unfair comparison really in the same way as comparing starburst to a hacksaw game.

There is a lot of these type of threads on this site and IMO they all have one thing in common, people’s expectation on games is way too high for the math involved

 

[Nate]

Hey everyone. I figured Id do something different around here for some kicks. Not sure how much traction this thread will get as I doubt anyone cares about White Rabbit. But it was the only slot the was so noticable to be gimped.

Maybe ill try bonanza one next. That should gain some attention and discussion

This 'study' took 2.5 months in total to obtain 100 bonus buys. I could do it in a few days but I wasnt committed like that. It was when I had time and to keep track

So a few months ago I decided to load some money and do some White Rabbit bonus for the first time in quite a few years. Upon returning and playing the slot I noticed a very different game. The difference in the way it plays, the mechanics, the lack of big wins, the lack of 5oak queens, the super rare 5oak queens 2 ways. When the slot retriggers it no longers goes around a clock, it just adds extra spins to your spin counter. So they changed the entire mechanics of it.

I noticed a drastic change. It was incredibly noticable. So much so it encouraged me 2 use 2 different casinos to test 100 bonus buys out on this slot. CasinoVibes and Fallsview. Both claim to be on the 96% model.

When this game first came out it was tough too but myself and other streamers would have good results and some fun on it. Not anymore. Its been totally messed with.

Usually when I notice a slot being weird or different I dont really care. I just leave it and off I go.

This slot was so bad and so different I thought I would do a little test.

100 bonus buys might not be a big sample size. Actually it was 148 bonus buys but I only started keeping track when I decided to put the results down. The other 48 bonus buys were the same type of stuff however zero retriggers.

I find these results to be absolutely shocking but not surprising from what I saw.

#1. Largest win was 284x

#2. Slot retriggered 3 times

#3. I only won 100x+ eight times out of 100 buys.

#4. The overall rtp is around 50%

I have done a lot of bonus buys on various slots. Some good, some bad.

This did not feel random whatsoever. This felt like it was absolutely 100% predetermined and set for negative returns on almost every round.

I am keeping track of 10 other slots doing 100 bonus buys on from various providers. That includes yggdrasil, pragmatic play, Quickfire, Truelab, Poppiplay and Thunderkick. (the dog house megaways being one, casino zeppelin reloaded being another)

So far these slots which are likely around the same volatility as white rabbit are out performing the results of White Rabbit ten fold. Various 200x wins, largest being 2000x, quite a few 500x per game and nothing even remotely close to the white rabbit results.

I might continue with white rabbit to get to 1000 bonus buys but the problem is the losses are too much. They are nowhere near 96% rtp whatsoever and the slot seems completely gimped. Yes all I need is one big win to get it all back and likely meet the rtp which is possible.

But to be 100 bonus buys in goes to show one thing. Do not and I repeat do not do bonus buys on this slot. The entertainment factor alone is terrible and the results, misses and play is extremely repetitive. The big wins are way too far apart to even bother. I actually notice this trend on all BTG bonus buy slots. They arent right and seem extremely flawed.

I seriously have not seen a slot like this payout ever. If you notice the payouts they seem normal..until you notice the lack of any good hits. There werent any in 100 bonus buys.

I dunno thought it would be fun to share. Hope you enjoy the read!

It will be exactly the same. Been there, done that... Massacre.

 

[Reelsoffun]

Having looked a bit deeper into the data you posted there does seem to be more sub 20x bonuses than I have experienced, but 61% on 99 BB’s isn’t overly bad, but yes you have been on the nastier side of variance on that set of results.

But again players have to realise that bonus buys like base game spins need tens of thousands of games to start getting near to RTP, this is the biggest underestimated least understood thing about bonus buys.

 

[lukey141]

Apparently it has to be exactly the same.

Somebody in the know here sake so a while back in another thread.

But then somebody found a provider that was being naughty and had the demo versions on over 100%.

Who’s have thought it eh???

I thought this was the case too but I don't know for sure. Playojo are fully UK licensed but when you load up their Prag games on free play (on their own site not prags site) they play the full 96% RTP version. When you load up the game itself for real money it's on 94 or 95% so they absolutely do mislead you with better RTP when you're trying for free. Extremely scummy if anyone doesn't actually keep an eye on RTP in game info.

 

[lockinlove]

Those results look very similar to what i usually get. ( not done a buy in ages now tho )
Form my experience it has always had lottery odds of getting a 500x+ win from the bonus, but the upside has been that most buys will give back somewhere around 40-60% of the buy cost, and the bonus also takes a while to play out so even with a small balance you dont bust right away.

Like i sad it has been quite a while since i last did buy because last time i had a re-trigger i know the clock was there.

As of right now between jammin jars, the dog house megaways, cazino zeppelin reloaded and a few other slots, White Rabbit is by far performing the worst.

White Rabbit is showing around 8% chance to get your bet back + on bonus buys.


Every other slot is around 30-35% with about 30 buys out of 100 returning your bet back or more.

No slot is anywhere close to the results of White Rabbit.

Im going to switch to free play and continue the buys and try to get to 1000

 

[dunover]

As of right now between jammin jars, the dog house megaways, cazino zeppelin reloaded and a few other slots, White Rabbit is by far performing the worst.

White Rabbit is showing around 8% chance to get your bet back + on bonus buys.


Every other slot is around 30-35% with about 30 buys out of 100 returning your bet back or more.

No slot is anywhere close to the results of White Rabbit.

Im going to switch to free play and continue the buys and try to get to 1000

I'm pretty sure after playing hours of demo bonus buys on WR back in the day, that over 100x rounds were about 1/5-6 and most were around 60-80x. Getting less than 40x was unusual, so was any retrigger. You could tell when you had collected 11 cupcakes on a reel and needed one for the retrigger, it wasn't coming because the reel spin went 'spongy'.

 

[lockinlove]

I'm pretty sure after playing hours of demo bonus buys on WR back in the day, that over 100x rounds were about 1/5-6 and most were around 60-80x. Getting less than 40x was unusual, so was any retrigger. You could tell when you had collected 11 cupcakes on a reel and needed one for the retrigger, it wasn't coming because the reel spin went 'spongy'.

Just glancing at the spreadsheet/graph so far looks like 40-80x is about the normal return. I also found when it was released you would get 100x about every 5-8 buys too.

Now it seems like its about 1 every 15-20 you get 100x+

 

[lukey141]

Very strange. There comes a point where you're so far behind which is an average of 96x if it's 96% rtp on a 100x buy that it doesn't seem statistically possible to catch back up. If you're losing 45x a bonus on average there has to be some huge hits now and then to keep things in check. From your initial sample of 100 bonuses 284x being the best in so many is really telling. Not a game I will be touching with real money that's for sure.

Unfortunately I never played this game in the past so I can't really provide a comparison as to if it feels nerfed but the numbers you give make for grim reading.

 

[Slotsnack]

Actually really interesting to look at. What was the RTP listed as? Around 96%?

 

[Casinos Hate Winners]

Hey everyone. I figured Id do something different around here for some kicks. Not sure how much traction this thread will get as I doubt anyone cares about White Rabbit. But it was the only slot the was so noticable to be gimped.

Maybe ill try bonanza one next. That should gain some attention and discussion

This 'study' took 2.5 months in total to obtain 100 bonus buys. I could do it in a few days but I wasnt committed like that. It was when I had time and to keep track

So a few months ago I decided to load some money and do some White Rabbit bonus for the first time in quite a few years. Upon returning and playing the slot I noticed a very different game. The difference in the way it plays, the mechanics, the lack of big wins, the lack of 5oak queens, the super rare 5oak queens 2 ways. When the slot retriggers it no longers goes around a clock, it just adds extra spins to your spin counter. So they changed the entire mechanics of it.

I noticed a drastic change. It was incredibly noticable. So much so it encouraged me 2 use 2 different casinos to test 100 bonus buys out on this slot. CasinoVibes and Fallsview. Both claim to be on the 96% model.

When this game first came out it was tough too but myself and other streamers would have good results and some fun on it. Not anymore. Its been totally messed with.

Usually when I notice a slot being weird or different I dont really care. I just leave it and off I go.

This slot was so bad and so different I thought I would do a little test.

100 bonus buys might not be a big sample size. Actually it was 148 bonus buys but I only started keeping track when I decided to put the results down. The other 48 bonus buys were the same type of stuff however zero retriggers.

I find these results to be absolutely shocking but not surprising from what I saw.

#1. Largest win was 284x

#2. Slot retriggered 3 times

#3. I only won 100x+ eight times out of 100 buys.

#4. The overall rtp is around 50%

I have done a lot of bonus buys on various slots. Some good, some bad.

This did not feel random whatsoever. This felt like it was absolutely 100% predetermined and set for negative returns on almost every round.

I am keeping track of 10 other slots doing 100 bonus buys on from various providers. That includes yggdrasil, pragmatic play, Quickfire, Truelab, Poppiplay and Thunderkick. (the dog house megaways being one, casino zeppelin reloaded being another)

So far these slots which are likely around the same volatility as white rabbit are out performing the results of White Rabbit ten fold. Various 200x wins, largest being 2000x, quite a few 500x per game and nothing even remotely close to the white rabbit results.

I might continue with white rabbit to get to 1000 bonus buys but the problem is the losses are too much. They are nowhere near 96% rtp whatsoever and the slot seems completely gimped. Yes all I need is one big win to get it all back and likely meet the rtp which is possible.

But to be 100 bonus buys in goes to show one thing. Do not and I repeat do not do bonus buys on this slot. The entertainment factor alone is terrible and the results, misses and play is extremely repetitive. The big wins are way too far apart to even bother. I actually notice this trend on all BTG bonus buy slots. They arent right and seem extremely flawed.

I seriously have not seen a slot like this payout ever. If you notice the payouts they seem normal..until you notice the lack of any good hits. There werent any in 100 bonus buys.

I dunno thought it would be fun to share. Hope you enjoy the read!

Hey! Good job documenting all your results. But unfortunately, that's too small a sample to draw any conclusions.
Assuming the bonus buy has an SD of 1.5, over just 100 spins the actual RTP could fall anywhere between roughly 51% and 141% with ~99.7% probability. (Calculated via LLM—feel free to double-check, but seems about right.)