Nickslots just got hit by Rizk limits mid stream!

[k6kaysix]

Here’s something interesting

Nickslots just got his Rizk account set with a £1000 a month limit mid stream!

If a streamer/affiliate can have that happen to them then the average UK punter is now doomed

 

[Borgie]

I see he had a 3k a month deposit limit but they then slapped a 1k a month loss limit on. He has 500 stuck in there.

 

[mcgameboy]

And that's the end of that business relationship, pending a swift U-turn by Rizk......

"YOU GOTTA BE JOOOOOOE-KIN"

 

[Fredos386]

last time i played rizk i played black jack . .tried a 50$ bet .. got 2-5 and jutt when i was abotu to click hit.. they kicked me out of site for a minute then allowed me back in.. making me lose.. they said provider verified with my ISP and it was MY connection ahaha. 1- they never contacted my isp 2- i was live on twitch .. so ya magical powers.. and they denied everyting but the cherry on top. they took the bet twice in 2 secs.. and said i had play 2 hand .. well it gets complicated to be live ont twitch whlile getting kicked out of site. but still manage ti do 2 bets secs apart.. i mean they tried hard to lie and say decision final but with such a set up might as well call me celine dion i would be more credible. The cut contact refunded my account.. but they had never replied in days for my KYC so.. they never did.. so they refunded me to themselves.. well.. it was a few years ago.. thats when i started learning about how honest casinos area lolol. Luckily for me and four other playrs i nevere encoutented very competent scammers. . they always make up things that are not legal, impossible .. et mix up their lies which i catch and then show them the misitake like here the 2 bets secs apart or me still being on twitch.... Can't tell if they purpsoely have retards on that job.. or if they act like that for a particular reason.. but lets just say good thing im not into that kind of stuff cauz i would be better than them. well not really hard to beat.. btu well i guess there are not big crowds of skilled manipulator/liars waiting for a job lol.

And yeah i i played hist stake a bit this fall.. and casinos always got bat shti crazy if you get a 2k+ cashout.. so when you depo that everyday.. it means you always get trouble.. so im just done... ive been ripping on cryptos sites.. never win so no problem dealing with cashouts .. and for sure after a few weeks there even the shadiest RTG site will shine to my eyes. Always impressive to "randomly" lose all your bets.. roulettte 2-3x and bonu buy on slots that you have 0.1-0.4x payout for dozens and donzens of buys whilethe roulettte to make up for it lsoe 95% of your bets losing 10-20k a day. its glorious ... if you are looking for a good therapy and want to shove your face to annihilate the degen belivier inside.. tis the place. Now the job is done.. i ahve nightmares every night. i spins forever dead and lose everything i have on repeat.. i think my sub consciiouse understood the message. I was believing wayy too much aftera huge run this year. but nothing beat losing back tens of thousands on ternal dead spins and have supprot repeat you its random , legit random.. while i argue that they could at least randomly failt at ripping me and let one go.. lolol.

Guess i'll be able to sleep and relax now.. forget abotu all this madness.. too much is too much.. i was about to morph into a deposit button as these sites rip everything straight 0 all day long so basically gambling there can be summed up as deposit all day like you're a cashier at work.. but you pay thousands to do taht.. its fun! But paying for a therapy given by people that never gambler. or get shoved in the face the biggest deadbeat streak in history.. i think i took the best one.. who in his right mind.. will have crave and idealize gamble tthikning about the past.. when the lsat thing yo udid was 1-2 week of eternal rip. I can say tho.. , (even if i would never have done taht) if the money losing was hard earned money.. i'd prob be willling to swim acros whatever see or go anyhwere to find who wrote the page about provably unfair and how not audited their bs is.. i mean the bullshit claims of legit randomness that cant be manipulated.. i have the support showing to me and i ask him .. what are the ods if i flip a coin it goes 50 heads in row then etc.. and he repliezs that its just bad luck.. and im like bro.. try it home .. go try flip coins . try have runs so extreme.. then come back and we'll talk about randomness..

These games are clearly scripted with lots of hits together and looong rip streaks .. so regulars know about the death streaks so when they get a couple hits they runs and always miss ome.. while the new playeres have no idea and end up hitting an entire streak and think these games are magical till they find the death streak after lol

 

[colinsunderland]

last time i played rizk i played black jack . .tried a 50$ bet .. got 2-5 and jutt when i was abotu to click hit.. they kicked me out of site for a minute then allowed me back in.. making me lose.. they said provider verified with my ISP and it was MY connection ahaha. 1- they never contacted my isp 2- i was live on twitch .. so ya magical powers.. and they denied everyting but the cherry on top. they took the bet twice in 2 secs.. and said i had play 2 hand .. well it gets complicated to be live ont twitch whlile getting kicked out of site. but still manage ti do 2 bets secs apart.. i mean they tried hard to lie and say decision final but with such a set up might as well call me celine dion i would be more credible. The cut contact refunded my account.. but they had never replied in days for my KYC so.. they never did.. so they refunded me to themselves.. well.. it was a few years ago.. thats when i started learning about how honest casinos area lolol. Luckily for me and four other playrs i nevere encoutented very competent scammers. . they always make up things that are not legal, impossible .. et mix up their lies which i catch and then show them the misitake like here the 2 bets secs apart or me still being on twitch.... Can't tell if they purpsoely have retards on that job.. or if they act like that for a particular reason.. but lets just say good thing im not into that kind of stuff cauz i would be better than them. well not really hard to beat.. btu well i guess there are not big crowds of skilled manipulator/liars waiting for a job lol.

And yeah i i played hist stake a bit this fall.. and casinos always got bat shti crazy if you get a 2k+ cashout.. so when you depo that everyday.. it means you always get trouble.. so im just done... ive been ripping on cryptos sites.. never win so no problem dealing with cashouts .. and for sure after a few weeks there even the shadiest RTG site will shine to my eyes. Always impressive to "randomly" lose all your bets.. roulettte 2-3x and bonu buy on slots that you have 0.1-0.4x payout for dozens and donzens of buys whilethe roulettte to make up for it lsoe 95% of your bets losing 10-20k a day. its glorious ... if you are looking for a good therapy and want to shove your face to annihilate the degen belivier inside.. tis the place. Now the job is done.. i ahve nightmares every night. i spins forever dead and lose everything i have on repeat.. i think my sub consciiouse understood the message. I was believing wayy too much aftera huge run this year. but nothing beat losing back tens of thousands on ternal dead spins and have supprot repeat you its random , legit random.. while i argue that they could at least randomly failt at ripping me and let one go.. lolol.

Guess i'll be able to sleep and relax now.. forget abotu all this madness.. too much is too much.. i was about to morph into a deposit button as these sites rip everything straight 0 all day long so basically gambling there can be summed up as deposit all day like you're a cashier at work.. but you pay thousands to do taht.. its fun! But paying for a therapy given by people that never gambler. or get shoved in the face the biggest deadbeat streak in history.. i think i took the best one.. who in his right mind.. will have crave and idealize gamble tthikning about the past.. when the lsat thing yo udid was 1-2 week of eternal rip. I can say tho.. , (even if i would never have done taht) if the money losing was hard earned money.. i'd prob be willling to swim acros whatever see or go anyhwere to find who wrote the page about provably unfair and how not audited their bs is.. i mean the bullshit claims of legit randomness that cant be manipulated.. i have the support showing to me and i ask him .. what are the ods if i flip a coin it goes 50 heads in row then etc.. and he repliezs that its just bad luck.. and im like bro.. try it home .. go try flip coins . try have runs so extreme.. then come back and we'll talk about randomness..

With respect, do you really need to write an essay on so many threads about how bad casinos are and how rigged everything is?
Start one thread if you need to rant, rather than hijacking so many threads. Nothing you have written above is on topic at all, and calling staff of casinos retards and suchlike is pretty pathetic, are you 12 or something?

 

[Fredos386]

Its a forum to talk.. you have issues with reading? why dont you try somethign else then? Who do you think you are to tell people how they can act or not.. to fit what you want. Jeez mister me myself and i.. i write novels because if i dont.. YOU show up and call me on what i didnt mention. and if i mention all you here.. come cry .. so no matter wat you will be angry so go in your corner and keep depressing mister sad life.

 

[colinsunderland]

Its a forum to talk.. you have issues with reading? why dont you try somethign else then? Who do you think you are to tell people how they can act or not.. to fit what you want. Jeez mister me myself and i.. i write novels because if i dont.. YOU show up and call me on what i didnt mention. and if i mention all you here.. come cry .. so no matter wat you will be angry so go in your corner and keep depressing mister sad life.

Issues with reading? Your walls of text would take an Enigma Machine to understand.
Obviously you didn't read what I said, I asked why not start your own thread, rather than hijacking others with your off topic rants. So lets see if your 'retards' comments and taking threads off topic are acceptable to everyone else
@Casinomeister @maxd

 

[The Dude]

Its a forum to talk.. you have issues with reading? why dont you try somethign else then? Who do you think you are to tell people how they can act or not.. to fit what you want. Jeez mister me myself and i.. i write novels because if i dont.. YOU show up and call me on what i didnt mention. and if i mention all you here.. come cry .. so no matter wat you will be angry so go in your corner and keep depressing mister sad life.

Hi Fredos386. Please chill out with the negative vibes. And yeah, that diatribe made my eyeballs start to bleed. Please try a different style of writing. Thank you.

 

[Borgie]

last time i played rizk i played black jack . .tried a 50$ bet .. got 2-5 and jutt when i was abotu to click hit.. they kicked me out of site for a minute then allowed me back in.. making me lose.. they said provider verified with my ISP and it was MY connection ahaha. 1- they never contacted my isp 2- i was live on twitch .. so ya magical powers.. and they denied everyting but the cherry on top. they took the bet twice in 2 secs.. and said i had play 2 hand .. well it gets complicated to be live ont twitch whlile getting kicked out of site. but still manage ti do 2 bets secs apart.. i mean they tried hard to lie and say decision final but with such a set up might as well call me celine dion i would be more credible. The cut contact refunded my account.. but they had never replied in days for my KYC so.. they never did.. so they refunded me to themselves.. well.. it was a few years ago.. thats when i started learning about how honest casinos area lolol. Luckily for me and four other playrs i nevere encoutented very competent scammers. . they always make up things that are not legal, impossible .. et mix up their lies which i catch and then show them the misitake like here the 2 bets secs apart or me still being on twitch.... Can't tell if they purpsoely have retards on that job.. or if they act like that for a particular reason.. but lets just say good thing im not into that kind of stuff cauz i would be better than them. well not really hard to beat.. btu well i guess there are not big crowds of skilled manipulator/liars waiting for a job lol.

And yeah i i played hist stake a bit this fall.. and casinos always got bat shti crazy if you get a 2k+ cashout.. so when you depo that everyday.. it means you always get trouble.. so im just done... ive been ripping on cryptos sites.. never win so no problem dealing with cashouts .. and for sure after a few weeks there even the shadiest RTG site will shine to my eyes. Always impressive to "randomly" lose all your bets.. roulettte 2-3x and bonu buy on slots that you have 0.1-0.4x payout for dozens and donzens of buys whilethe roulettte to make up for it lsoe 95% of your bets losing 10-20k a day. its glorious ... if you are looking for a good therapy and want to shove your face to annihilate the degen belivier inside.. tis the place. Now the job is done.. i ahve nightmares every night. i spins forever dead and lose everything i have on repeat.. i think my sub consciiouse understood the message. I was believing wayy too much aftera huge run this year. but nothing beat losing back tens of thousands on ternal dead spins and have supprot repeat you its random , legit random.. while i argue that they could at least randomly failt at ripping me and let one go.. lolol.

Guess i'll be able to sleep and relax now.. forget abotu all this madness.. too much is too much.. i was about to morph into a deposit button as these sites rip everything straight 0 all day long so basically gambling there can be summed up as deposit all day like you're a cashier at work.. but you pay thousands to do taht.. its fun! But paying for a therapy given by people that never gambler. or get shoved in the face the biggest deadbeat streak in history.. i think i took the best one.. who in his right mind.. will have crave and idealize gamble tthikning about the past.. when the lsat thing yo udid was 1-2 week of eternal rip. I can say tho.. , (even if i would never have done taht) if the money losing was hard earned money.. i'd prob be willling to swim acros whatever see or go anyhwere to find who wrote the page about provably unfair and how not audited their bs is.. i mean the bullshit claims of legit randomness that cant be manipulated.. i have the support showing to me and i ask him .. what are the ods if i flip a coin it goes 50 heads in row then etc.. and he repliezs that its just bad luck.. and im like bro.. try it home .. go try flip coins . try have runs so extreme.. then come back and we'll talk about randomness..

These games are clearly scripted with lots of hits together and looong rip streaks .. so regulars know about the death streaks so when they get a couple hits they runs and always miss ome.. while the new playeres have no idea and end up hitting an entire streak and think these games are magical till they find the death streak after lol

Sorry that is completely unreadable

 

[BrianGhattas]

That was funny to watch. Guess he’s out of luck until December 1st on Rizk.

 

[irish-ranger]

That was funny to watch. Guess he’s out of luck until December 1st on Rizk.

Couldn't have happened to a nicer bloke

 

[johnnymcc1966]

They have slapped a £100 loss limit per month on my account and wont increase it unless I send bank statements,which I am not prepared to do.It is absolutely ridiculous now and the UK online gambling industry is dying a death.

 

[Playford7]

last time i played rizk i played black jack . .tried a 50$ bet .. got 2-5 and jutt when i was abotu to click hit.. they kicked me out of site for a minute then allowed me back in.. making me lose.. they said provider verified with my ISP and it was MY connection ahaha. 1- they never contacted my isp 2- i was live on twitch .. so ya magical powers.. and they denied everyting but the cherry on top. they took the bet twice in 2 secs.. and said i had play 2 hand .. well it gets complicated to be live ont twitch whlile getting kicked out of site. but still manage ti do 2 bets secs apart.. i mean they tried hard to lie and say decision final but with such a set up might as well call me celine dion i would be more credible. The cut contact refunded my account.. but they had never replied in days for my KYC so.. they never did.. so they refunded me to themselves.. well.. it was a few years ago.. thats when i started learning about how honest casinos area lolol. Luckily for me and four other playrs i nevere encoutented very competent scammers. . they always make up things that are not legal, impossible .. et mix up their lies which i catch and then show them the misitake like here the 2 bets secs apart or me still being on twitch.... Can't tell if they purpsoely have retards on that job.. or if they act like that for a particular reason.. but lets just say good thing im not into that kind of stuff cauz i would be better than them. well not really hard to beat.. btu well i guess there are not big crowds of skilled manipulator/liars waiting for a job lol.

And yeah i i played hist stake a bit this fall.. and casinos always got bat shti crazy if you get a 2k+ cashout.. so when you depo that everyday.. it means you always get trouble.. so im just done... ive been ripping on cryptos sites.. never win so no problem dealing with cashouts .. and for sure after a few weeks there even the shadiest RTG site will shine to my eyes. Always impressive to "randomly" lose all your bets.. roulettte 2-3x and bonu buy on slots that you have 0.1-0.4x payout for dozens and donzens of buys whilethe roulettte to make up for it lsoe 95% of your bets losing 10-20k a day. its glorious ... if you are looking for a good therapy and want to shove your face to annihilate the degen belivier inside.. tis the place. Now the job is done.. i ahve nightmares every night. i spins forever dead and lose everything i have on repeat.. i think my sub consciiouse understood the message. I was believing wayy too much aftera huge run this year. but nothing beat losing back tens of thousands on ternal dead spins and have supprot repeat you its random , legit random.. while i argue that they could at least randomly failt at ripping me and let one go.. lolol.

Guess i'll be able to sleep and relax now.. forget abotu all this madness.. too much is too much.. i was about to morph into a deposit button as these sites rip everything straight 0 all day long so basically gambling there can be summed up as deposit all day like you're a cashier at work.. but you pay thousands to do taht.. its fun! But paying for a therapy given by people that never gambler. or get shoved in the face the biggest deadbeat streak in history.. i think i took the best one.. who in his right mind.. will have crave and idealize gamble tthikning about the past.. when the lsat thing yo udid was 1-2 week of eternal rip. I can say tho.. , (even if i would never have done taht) if the money losing was hard earned money.. i'd prob be willling to swim acros whatever see or go anyhwere to find who wrote the page about provably unfair and how not audited their bs is.. i mean the bullshit claims of legit randomness that cant be manipulated.. i have the support showing to me and i ask him .. what are the ods if i flip a coin it goes 50 heads in row then etc.. and he repliezs that its just bad luck.. and im like bro.. try it home .. go try flip coins . try have runs so extreme.. then come back and we'll talk about randomness..

These games are clearly scripted with lots of hits together and looong rip streaks .. so regulars know about the death streaks so when they get a couple hits they runs and always miss ome.. while the new playeres have no idea and end up hitting an entire streak and think these games are magical till they find the death streak after lol

Do we not have a war and peace thread anywhere?..

 

[dealer wins]

2020, the year when you cant spend your own money how you want to lol

 

[Playford7]

2020, the year when you cant spend your own money how you want to lol

This is a streamer, they are not like normal decent humans mate.

 

[ThomasMT]

Oh dear poor Nick complaining about 1000 quid limit. Welcome to the normal for the rest of us.

About time these streamers got a reality check.

 

[bamberfishcake]

'speechless emoji'

 

[dealer wins]

Oh dear poor Nick complaining about 1000 quid limit. Welcome to the normal for the rest of us.

About time these streamers got a reality check.

Back in the early 1990s when I was emptying fruit machines to the tune of several 1000 a day, I went to Vegas with €50000 in cash aged 23, obv got pulled into secondary at Los Angeles, but was out within 30 mins. If that happened today I have no doubt it would be confiscated, with a 12 month fight to get it back requiring evidence I could never provide.

The worlds going mad when you are prohibited from spending your own money on whatever legal thing you want.

 

[colinsunderland]

The worlds going mad when you are prohibited from spending your own money on whatever legal thing you want.

You're not being stopped from doing it, you just need to be able to prove where the money came from, which is only right, within reason. Casinos go over the top, the AML are the same for casinos as they are for banks, car dealerships etc etc.
Back in the 80's and 90's I saw a lot of money laundering and proceeds of crime being used, with barely any checks done, which lead to a lot of serious criminal activity. It needed clamping down on.
What isn't needed is casinos demanding bank statements from your mate who lent you a tenner in 2015 to prove he hadn't stolen the money he transferred to you!

 

[Mr_Slot5]

You're not being stopped from doing it, you just need to be able to prove where the money came from, which is only right, within reason. Casinos go over the top, the AML are the same for casinos as they are for banks, car dealerships etc etc.
Back in the 80's and 90's I saw a lot of money laundering and proceeds of crime being used, with barely any checks done, which lead to a lot of serious criminal activity. It needed clamping down on.
What isn't needed is casinos demanding bank statements from your mate who lent you a tenner in 2015 to prove he hadn't stolen the money he transferred to you!

I'm still intrigued as to how/why anyone would want to launder money through a casino. I mean if you're lucky you make 1 or 2 withdrawals out of every 20 deposits. Plus you've already left a digital trail. Pretty brainless. With this, it should be easy to spot a launderer without needing to chastise the average punter who spends maybe £50 a week hoping to get lucky.

The issues are coming because of AML and RG being conflated into one and the same with these checks. As you have said before, there should be reasonable suspicion that someone is gambling in a nefarious way before all manner of sensitive documents are requested.

 

[Playford7]

I'm still intrigued as to how/why anyone would want to launder money through a casino. I mean if you're lucky you make 1 or 2 withdrawals out of every 20 deposits. With this, it should be easy to spot a launderer without needing to chastise the average punter who spends maybe £50 a week hoping to get lucky.

The issues are coming because of AML and RG being conflated into one and the same with these checks. As you have said before, there should be reasonable suspicion that someone is gambling in a nefarious way before all manner of sensitive documents are requested.

Isn’t it syndicates that cause the most issues rather than the odd random player?

not versed in ripping off casinos but thought this is what caused the most issues, especially regarding welcome bonus offers and spins etc.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Isn’t it syndicates that cause the most issues rather than the odd random player?

not versed in ripping off casinos but thought this is what caused the most issues, especially regarding welcome bonus offers and spins etc.

No idea mate, but I'd be shocked if someone spending a couple of hundred a month is up to anything dodgy, would be a pretty shit launderer

 

[Playford7]

No idea mate, but I'd be shocked if someone spending a couple of hundred a month is up to anything dodgy, would be a pretty shit launderer

I think personally that’s a excuse used by many dodgy places to stall and not pay

 

[Mr_Slot5]

I think personally that’s a excuse used by many dodgy places to stall and not pay

Yep I agree

Thing is when the UKGC implement things like this they just open up another loophole for casinos to exploit. The biggest give away of this being that some casinos allow you to carry on depositing but block withdrawals. Which just shows you that none of that bunch in the UKGC seem to have any expertise in online gambling at all.

 

[Playford7]

Nickslots.. official btw

‘ I can do whatever the fuck I want, I’m a streamer’

few moments later...

1k limit

 

[sufferinsilence]

Nickslots.. official btw

‘ I can do whatever the fuck I want, I’m a streamer’

few moments later...

1k limit

You're having a day eh

 

[Stuckluck]

I'm still intrigued as to how/why anyone would want to launder money through a casino. I mean if you're lucky you make 1 or 2 withdrawals out of every 20 deposits. Plus you've already left a digital trail. Pretty brainless. With this, it should be easy to spot a launderer without needing to chastise the average punter who spends maybe £50 a week hoping to get lucky.

The issues are coming because of AML and RG being conflated into one and the same with these checks. As you have said before, there should be reasonable suspicion that someone is gambling in a nefarious way before all manner of sensitive documents are requested.

I was going to make a post about this, but forgot. I'm in Vancouver, BC, one of the money laundering capitals of the world done through Casinos and real estate. Who did I see with a massive digital advertising sign between North Vancouver and West Vancouver (one of the richest areas in North America): Casumo. Off topic I know, but I thought it very rich of them to be advertising in an area well known for laundering through Casinos.

 

[dealer wins]

You're not being stopped from doing it, you just need to be able to prove where the money came from, which is only right, within reason. Casinos go over the top, the AML are the same for casinos as they are for banks, car dealerships etc etc.
Back in the 80's and 90's I saw a lot of money laundering and proceeds of crime being used, with barely any checks done, which lead to a lot of serious criminal activity. It needed clamping down on.
What isn't needed is casinos demanding bank statements from your mate who lent you a tenner in 2015 to prove he hadn't stolen the money he transferred to you!

If the money comes from my bank account, its mine. whether its £10 or £100,000

 

[Kroffe]

If the money comes from my bank account, its mine. whether its £10 or £100,000

If i ever rob a bank ill remember to quickly deposit it into my account so it becomes mine.
Its the perfect crime.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

If the money comes from my bank account, its mine. whether its £10 or £100,000

If it's already in your account then why would a launderer launder it again? This is why I don't understand SOW checks on UK debit card transactions with casinos. To be fair, I think the UK bookie sites understand this. The Maltese lot don't seem to.

If i ever rob a bank ill remember to quickly deposit it into my account so it becomes mine.
Its the perfect crime.

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I think the bank may ask a few questions

 

[Kroffe]

If it's already in your account then why would a launderer launder it again? This is why I don't understand SOW checks on UK debit card transactions with casinos. To be fair, I think the UK bookie sites understand this. The Maltese lot don't seem to.

I think the bank may ask a few questions

Ill obviously deposit it in the bank on the other side of the street.
Im not stupid.

 

[shadow123]

Really think 2021 will see the death of UK online gaming as we know, we are right on the edge now and another round of
regulations will finish it.2020 has got to be the worst years experience ever for me although somehow I am still in profit
but the funs gone, knowing everything you do including loss levels,deposits levels and time spent online is being
monitored by computers which are generating masses of alerts which are being processed by countless teams of
faceless people.Reminds me very much of the film Brazil (an offbeat version of 1984).
Dont know why gambling has been singled out for this treatment,been around since roman times and before , now suddenly
it is portrayed as immoral and seedy, something a responsible person should not be doing and if they must do it, it will
be on the states terms.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Really think 2021 will see the death of UK online gaming as we know, we are right on the edge now and another round of
regulations will finish it.2020 has got to be the worst years experience ever for me although somehow I am still in profit
but the funs gone, knowing everything you do including loss levels,deposits levels and time spent online is being
monitored by computers which are generating masses of alerts which are being processed by countless teams of
faceless people.Reminds me very much of the film Brazil (an offbeat version of 1984).
Dont know why gambling has been singled out for this treatment,been around since roman times and before , now suddenly
it is portrayed as immoral and seedy, something a responsible person should not be doing and if they must do it, it will
be on the states terms.

Yeah I don't get it either. As I said in another thread, it's meant to be fun and spontaneous...that's the whole point.

I'd wager that alcohol causes just as many social issues (if not more)- look at the cost to the NHS for starters- yet people can go get leathered as they please.

 

[colinsunderland]

If the money comes from my bank account, its mine. whether its £10 or £100,000

Presumably you're not a criminal then, and don't do anything wrong. Others are criminals and do.
For example, someone who works fiddle and gets say £500 a week while claiming benefits goes to coral, deposits say £300 cash over the counter, then £20 online using a debit card, does a few £50 roulette spins, £24 black, £24 red, £2 zero, then withdraws £300 or thereabouts, to their bank account, they now have £300 of that dodgy money now legitimate, and if the DWP checks their bank statements, they can say they had a win on the horses/footy/slots. The same applies for any bookie where you can pay cash in and allow you to withdraw to any method. You can also use paysafe cards, pre-paid visa on casinos without a high street presence.
I know an accountant who was in my local Billy Hills 3/4 times a day. Always put £500 in an FOTB, would do a couple of quick spins, a couple of £ each, cashout and get a receipt for the withdrawal to show it was gambling winnings. He got caught because the volume was so high and he was being investigated for other stuff, but someone wanting to clean a few hundred from fiddle work, or money they made from shoplifting, wouldn't be under that scrutiny and would get away with it.

It's not quite as easy as that now on the FOTB's (still possible though) but that could still be done a couple of years back.

 

[News Hound]

We covered the actions of streamers over on Casino Gazette the other day. As to whether the actions of streamers are a threat to the online casino industry in the UK. Poetic justice somewhat that a high profile streamer gets hit with a loss limit, considering there is a growing groundswell of support for loss limits to be enforced on UK players.

Are Slot Streamers a Threat to the Online Casino Industry in the UK?

 

[dealer wins]

Presumably you're not a criminal then, and don't do anything wrong. Others are criminals and do.
For example, someone who works fiddle and gets say £500 a week while claiming benefits goes to coral, deposits say £300 cash over the counter, then £20 online using a debit card, does a few £50 roulette spins, £24 black, £24 red, £2 zero, then withdraws £300 or thereabouts, to their bank account, they now have £300 of that dodgy money now legitimate,

This would be picked up by the casino very quickly, who would then rightly request SOW etc No legit player would bet in that way it would be obvious they had a suspected money launderer

 

[colinsunderland]

This would be picked up by the casino very quickly, who would then rightly request SOW etc No legit player would bet in that way it would be obvious they had a suspected money launderer

now it would (not always), it wouldn't have a couple of years ago (in fact I know of at least one malta based casino where money laundering is very easy due to how their payments system is set up), and thats why the UKGC clamped down on casinos not following AML procedures. As usual the Maltese casinos, who generally don't have UK legal representation, have gone massively over the top in what they do. The reason skybet et all don't request 1000 documents when you deposit a tenner is because they understand the law properly.

 

[Gaz237]

If it's already in your account then why would a launderer launder it again? This is why I don't understand SOW checks on UK debit card transactions with casinos. To be fair, I think the UK bookie sites understand this. The Maltese lot don't seem to.

I think the bank may ask a few questions

The Casino have no idea where the money in your bank has come from.

Just because it's in your account, does not mean the money is clean.

Hence SOW checks to find out.

Easy to sort if your PAYE, a ball ache if not.

 

[colinsunderland]

The Casino have no idea where the money in your bank has come from.

Just because it's in your account, does not mean the money is clean.

Hence SOW checks to find out.

Easy to sort if your PAYE, a ball ache if not.

Really it should though, as the bank has to do SoF checks as part of their AML obligations. However the UKGC state clearly that casinos shouldn't rely on other parties to have done the checks. Personally I think the banks should be doing this type of thing, they can see all transactions, and where they came from, rather than a casino based outside the UK wanting all your financial information. It will only be a matter of time until we find out some casino employee has shared all customer data like this with someone else. While that could happen with a bank, I would suggest it is much less likely.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Really it should though, as the bank has to do SoF checks as part of their AML obligations. However the UKGC state clearly that casinos shouldn't rely on other parties to have done the checks. Personally I think the banks should be doing this type of thing, they can see all transactions, and where they came from, rather than a casino based outside the UK wanting all your financial information. It will only be a matter of time until we find out some casino employee has shared all customer data like this with someone else. While that could happen with a bank, I would suggest it is much less likely.

Completely agree. Leave it to the banks.

It should be the case that if the bank authorises the payment, the money is good. Easy.

 

[thr0b]

You have to remember that money laundering is not about making 100% of the money clean. Any clean money is clear, provable legitimate cash. The loss is just the costs of their illegitimate business.

So roulette (for instance) is high risk for casinos, because it's a simple way to launder with little risk for the fraudster. Start with a grand of dirty money, leave with £400 in clean money.

Online casinos are even higher risk, because realistically the checks are not as simple as in-person.

 

[coolrunnings19]

Rumour has it that the UKGC are going to impise loss limits of as little as 100 pounds a month. This would go in line with the £2 max stake which is coming in next year anyway. Looks like the industry is coming to an end in the UK which is sad as there are some people that like to go on and have a flutter. Not sure if this will apply to football betting too? The end of online casinos in the UK??

 

[dec2008mcl]

Think we need to take into consideration the 1.5 suicides per day in the UK related to online gambling. Coroners are coming under increasing pressure to put on death certificates suicide as a result of gambling addiction, bill currently in the house of lords. If passed this will leave even greater liability at the hands of online casinos, if there is such a thing. Online slots as it once was is gone, hard to see it come back, and online casinos will reduce rtp to suit

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Think we need to take into consideration the 1.5 suicides per day in the UK related to online gambling. Coroners are coming under increasing pressure to put on death certificates suicide as a result of gambling addiction, bill currently in the house of lords. If passed this will leave even greater liability at the hands of online casinos, if there is such a thing. Online slots as it once was is gone, hard to see it come back, and online casinos will reduce rtp to suit

Might aswell go down the route of 'suicide because wife left' or 'suicide because lost job' then.

Mental health issues are mental health issues and gambling is often used as an escape route from these issues. The mental health issues are often the root cause. Gambling addiction is a symptom.

Why is gambling being demonised? Why do we always have to go after the low hanging fruit rather than tackling the underlying, more fundamental issues?

 

[dec2008mcl]

Think they were happy down that route and to continue down it until 3 people started killing themselves every 2 days, which doesn't happen with job losses/separations. Agree that its a mental health issue but there is no health service in the UK to deal with it, after decades of austerity. Its only goin to get worse which is why they have to be seen to be doin something, and what were seeing now is the results.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Think they were happy down that route and to continue down it until 3 people started killing themselves every 2 days, which doesn't happen with job losses/separations. Agree that its a mental health issue but there is no health service in the UK to deal with it, after decades of austerity. Its only goin to get worse which is why they have to be seen to be doin something, and what were seeing now is the results.

There is a blame culture. It's easier for people to blame someone or something rather than face the fact that we are humans and get ill...that includes mentally. Things won't get better as long as we focus on the symptoms rather than the root cause.

So, we ban gambling...then what? We are still left with the problem of the mental illness and it will manifest another way. These 'professionals' need to buck their ideas up and grab the issue of mental health by the bollocks rather than window dressing the issue like this.

Of course operators need to be aware and act responsibly; carry out due diligence etc but we need to put it into the context that most people DON'T have an issue. The whole industry does not need to be run into the ground.

 

[dec2008mcl]

You do realise slot machines in themselves r designed to be addictive?

 

[Mr_Slot5]

You do realise slot machines in themselves r designed to be addictive?

Of course. Anything that triggers a dopamine response is addictive.

Should we just ban everything that elicits this physiological response?

 

[dec2008mcl]

The majority that cause this amount of death already are banned mate. I'm not trying to pick a fight, just stating the facts whether we like it or not. Truth is, its all happening above our heads anyway.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

The majority that cause this amount of death already are banned mate. I'm not trying to pick a fight, just stating the facts whether we like it or not. Truth is, its all happening above our heads anyway.

I'm not disagreeing with you mate, I just wish as much effort was put into combating mental health issues rather than pissing around the edges like we are seeing.