The Joy of UK gaming

[shadow123]

Got 3 accounts, Lottomart,365 and pokerstars
Lottomart is ok except I have reached my deposit limit,
365 suspended my account weeks ago and every contact I have made with them just results in
your account is under review and we cant give you a time frame.
Pokerstars have just suspended my account and are asking for docs which I will not supply.
Whats the f*****g point, I tinkered with the idea of going crypto but it would not be sensible to dive into
something I know nothing about and using casinos with no protection.
Getting too old for all this shit, I could open another UK account but the same thing will only happen again.
Always said it was a bad day when the UKGC started regulating casinos but even I didnt think it would be this
bad, with more to come.Think the banks will be soon be prevented from crypto transactions that are linked to
gambling so we will all have shot it.

Thursday rant over , off to walk the dog

Accredited UK Casinos:

• Kwiff Casino
• PlayOJO
• Unibet
• Casumo
• Rizk Casino

 

[shady]

I wouldn't use Pokerstars again, some time ago I ran a fair chunk of change through that site and not a single bonus feature on £2 spins when spending around x2000, I can understand the variables but something doesn't sit right after that.

No documents asked for in that time but I'm sure if a withdrawal would have come into play it would have been prompted.

Lottoland and Lottogo seem ok for what it's worth, both require documents of course but wouldn't expect anything else now.

 

[pinnit2014]

Was never a fan of PS myself - i played there more when they had the 96's for PNG etc but i found their site clunky and not particularly user friendly.

Lottomart are good but also too are the Gamesys sites like Megaways - what i like about them, for now anyway, is they reward your play: and you don't even need to be putting 1000s through. Our house plays there a lot (typically) and you get random Boxes with cash amounts - the one today was a weird £64.56 and that's not even having deposited in 10 days. Limited games but offer the 96's etc as well.

 

[CasinoNinja]

I've been limited with ridicilous low net limit deposits everywhere, it's really stupid especially where they have a NET limit AND a depsoit limit which makes no sense, so if I'm withdrawing the deposit limit is not increased.

The good thing this has resulted is that I've now discovered other UK casinos, and it seems to be Betfred is doing well so far, had many deposits and withdraws which comes back to your account within 2 hours, no questions asked, and I've deposited a few grand in the last 2 days (from winnings!).

To my suprise, they seem to be almost running max RTP on all their slots except for their odd microgaming slots (some not all), lack of Play and go though

 

[slot_zombie]

There is no "joy" in UK gaming, it is akin to chinese water torture, rather than a fun leisure activity.

 

[shady]

I've been limited with ridicilous low net limit deposits everywhere, it's really stupid especially where they have a NET limit AND a depsoit limit which makes no sense, so if I'm withdrawing the deposit limit is not increased.

The good thing this has resulted is that I've now discovered other UK casinos, and it seems to be Betfred is doing well so far, had many deposits and withdraws which comes back to your account within 2 hours, no questions asked, and I've deposited a few grand in the last 2 days (from winnings!).

To my suprise, they seem to be almost running max RTP on all their slots except for their odd microgaming slots (some not all), lack of Play and go though

Curious about Betfred they don't show the rtp in the game info like many others do but they have a list.

betfred.com/rtp-games

Are those max?

 

[dunover]

I've been limited with ridicilous low net limit deposits everywhere, it's really stupid especially where they have a NET limit AND a depsoit limit which makes no sense, so if I'm withdrawing the deposit limit is not increased.

The good thing this has resulted is that I've now discovered other UK casinos, and it seems to be Betfred is doing well so far, had many deposits and withdraws which comes back to your account within 2 hours, no questions asked, and I've deposited a few grand in the last 2 days (from winnings!).

To my suprise, they seem to be almost running max RTP on all their slots except for their odd microgaming slots (some not all), lack of Play and go though

That's EXACTLY how it should be - a real deposit limit as opposed to a LOSS limit, a totally different thing.

The amount of times in the past I have criticized casinos (not UK bookies ones but UKGC-licensed overseas ones) for offering deposit limits which were actually de facto loss limits, misdescribed deliberately to ensure you could spunk back winnings until you hit the loss limit and not walk away with their money until the end of the week/month due to not being able to deposit your profits back.....

A deposit limit is exactly that - whether you lose for example your £100 limit or deposit it and withdraw £30k from it....

 

[L&L-Jan]

yeah but guys common wtf! We had exactly such a limit in place. Net deposit limit. And all we got was complaints and complaints. We amended - and now you state we need to amend it back? WTF! Serious!

Im sure there are even forum topics here regarding how that limit used to work!

 

[09237653]

Hardly anywhere left due to the RTP thing, I want to play certan games and if i cannot find them at 96% I wont bother, can only play so much BTG before my brain starts turning into swiss cheese..

 

[pinnit2014]

Hardly anywhere left due to the RTP thing, I want to play certan games and if i cannot find them at 96% I wont bother, can only play so much BTG before my brain starts turning into swiss cheese..

You like PNG? Gamesy's and Mr Q both have the non- Poundstretcher versions.

Ditto Boylesports

 

[09237653]

You like PNG? Gamesy's and Mr Q both have the non- Poundstretcher versions.

Ditto Boylesports

yes know of mrQ but they dont have many, they did recently get viking runecraft though so there is that. will check out Gamesy, not heard of them before .

21casino and sister site playgrand have many older png at 96% but anything newer than legend of the ice dragon is 94% mostly playing there at the moment, good fast instant cashout as well.

 

[Jono777]

You like PNG? Gamesy's and Mr Q both have the non- Poundstretcher versions.

Ditto Boylesports

Any idea mate what these are like with KYC/SoW etc

Would maybe throw £10-£20 in once or twice a week max.

 

[pinnit2014]

Any idea mate what these are like with KYC/SoW etc

Would maybe throw £10-£20 in once or twice a week max.

*touch wood

Megaways - gamesys - haven't even asked for a copy of the card used, let alone ID (presume background) - played there quite a bit, deposits well in excess of 10k (L and L would SOW you 5 times ) so, touch wood, no issues.I like them cos of their freebies as well: these are all very random loyalty offers they have gave out over the last month, so no complaints (it can be erratic when they come - played more there in Jan/Feb and was probably getting 300 quid plus - seems based on wagering as did ok withdrawal wise here)Probably will disappear soon but nice perks nonetheless

Boylesports -3k maybe?They might have asked for a card picture but that was it - but they do send RG emails so may be teetering on asking for SOW etc.

Mr Q have never asked for SOW and that's with about 20k plus of depos probably...only downside, their selection of games is erratic as Mr Number user name points out

 

[09237653]

mr Q have forced a 500/month deposit limit on me but no SOW requests as of yet but its only recently I have started playing more there due to virgin games changing RTP on gigantoonz and other pngs so that may change, did 180 in 2 days a couple of weeks ago.

 

[Jono777]

Have to do something.

Not going to moan in their thread, pointless but there is more than wheel and battle cut backs going on at VS.

Ain't a sore loser but also don't like having the piss taken out of me. last 20+ deposits of £10-£20 over last month, maybe longer have all bust in record time and not even got ahead a £1 all of these times, to me that is neither random, nor gambling at all.

Playtime on each and every occasion has been none existent, WB about 0.10p/0.20p max and the whole point is to cull my boredom after work.

No foil hats either as we win some, lose some but not this much in a row surely?

 

[bamberfishcake]

Have to do something.

Not going to moan in their thread, pointless but there is more than wheel and battle cut backs going on at VS.

Ain't a sore loser but also don't like having the piss taken out of me. last 20+ deposits of £10-£20 over last month, maybe longer have all bust in record time and not even got ahead a £1 all of these times, to me that is neither random, nor gambling at all.

Playtime on each and every occasion has been none existent, WB about 0.10p/0.20p max and the whole point is to cull my boredom after work.

No foil hats either as we win some, lose some but not this much in a row surely?

Mate, I have the same with Unibet. To the point where I am spinning with negative thoughts of busting out early. I guess, preparing myself for a lost depo, so I dont depo there as much anymore.

Switch sites. Put your money somewhere new. No point in flogging a dead horse.

 

[CasinoNinja]

That's EXACTLY how it should be - a real deposit limit as opposed to a LOSS limit, a totally different thing.

The amount of times in the past I have criticized casinos (not UK bookies ones but UKGC-licensed overseas ones) for offering deposit limits which were actually de facto loss limits, misdescribed deliberately to ensure you could spunk back winnings until you hit the loss limit and not walk away with their money until the end of the week/month due to not being able to deposit your profits back.....

A deposit limit is exactly that - whether you lose for example your £100 limit or deposit it and withdraw £30k from it....

Well I disagree that we need a deposit limit as well as a .net limit. In some casinos they have limited me to say £500, if I win £4k, I want to come back at somepoint and try again. Not to be nannied over what winnings I could lose. .NET lose limit is what is important to most if you think about responsible gambling.

 

[CasinoNinja]

Curious about Betfred they don't show the rtp in the game info like many others do but they have a list.

betfred.com/rtp-games

Are those max?

Prag is max, most of microgaming, red tiger is mid, and the others are max I think. Think that list is correct

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Well I disagree that we need a deposit limit as well as a .net limit. In some casinos they have limited me to say £500, if I win £4k, I want to come back at somepoint and try again. Not to be nannied over what winnings I could lose. .NET lose limit is what is important to most if you think about responsible gambling.

Exactly, if a person has a £50 a week budget and manage to win 5k, that 5k then becomes part of the gambling budget.

If they can afford to gamble the initial £50 then they can certainly afford to gamble the 5k. That’s the essence of gambling…some people will take the 5k win and buy nice things and others will play back into slots- nothing wrong with that, it’s called free choice…something that’s appears to be being eroded.

 

[snorky510238]

Have to do something.

Not going to moan in their thread, pointless but there is more than wheel and battle cut backs going on at VS.

Ain't a sore loser but also don't like having the piss taken out of me. last 20+ deposits of £10-£20 over last month, maybe longer have all bust in record time and not even got ahead a £1 all of these times, to me that is neither random, nor gambling at all.

Playtime on each and every occasion has been none existent, WB about 0.10p/0.20p max and the whole point is to cull my boredom after work.

No foil hats either as we win some, lose some but not this much in a row surely?

I have been saying this about Videoslots for a while now. Something definitely wrong there. I have had exactly the same thing happen. Made around 60 consecutive losing deposits (unbelievable). Got a win for a couple of hundred quid, thought that must be a one off but nope, almost exactly the same happened again and again.

They are definitely running an even more bent version of Bonanza than other Casinos because I have played the game for long enough to know when something is amiss. I’ll PM you with the the telling factor. They are also running watered down versions of Netent games. DOA and Wtb to mention a few. Possibly the most bent Casino on the market, although there is some stiff competition.

@bamberfishcake, I have definitely noticed a decline regarding Unibet too. Not as bad as Videoslots but nowhere near as good as they used to be. Something definitely changed that’s for sure.

 

[justdoit]

I am still ok with UK casinos I drop my stake to 20p 40p, 90% of my play is doa 09p 18p try to avoid talking to casinos, before u start playing crypto do u research lot of bad crypto casinos with fake slots

 

[shadow123]

Net loss limits are the the only sensible way to go, many casino are imposing deposit limits of only a few 100 a month,which equates
to probably 10 pounds a day or less which is is totally useless, gives you 2 options, deposit in small amounts and get zero gameplay or
or make a couple of larger deposit in the hope of building up a decent balance,if you win and and want to continue playing you cant
really withdraw.
Either way, the casinos will probably win, pure deposit limits do not reflect the actual cost to the player but its probably the only
thing the UKGC understand.
Step by step, the industry is being destroyed by people who have zero knowledge of the implications of the effect of all the shit regs
they are churning out and cannot see the bigger picture.

 

[Mark_Lottomart]

Net loss limits are the the only sensible way to go, many casino are imposing deposit limits of only a few 100 a month,which equates
to probably 10 pounds a day or less which is is totally useless, gives you 2 options, deposit in small amounts and get zero gameplay or
or make a couple of larger deposit in the hope of building up a decent balance,if you win and and want to continue playing you cant
really withdraw.
Either way, the casinos will probably win, pure deposit limits do not reflect the actual cost to the player but its probably the only
thing the UKGC understand.
Step by step, the industry is being destroyed by people who have zero knowledge of the implications of the effect of all the shit regs
they are churning out and cannot see the bigger picture.

FYI: We’re not too far away from releasing net loss limits to players as an alternative to deposit limits. Should be next week hopefully.

 

[justdoit]

Net loss limits are the the only sensible way to go, many casino are imposing deposit limits of only a few 100 a month,which equates
to probably 10 pounds a day or less which is is totally useless, gives you 2 options, deposit in small amounts and get zero gameplay or
or make a couple of larger deposit in the hope of building up a decent balance,if you win and and want to continue playing you cant
really withdraw.
Either way, the casinos will probably win, pure deposit limits do not reflect the actual cost to the player but its probably the only
thing the UKGC understand.
Step by step, the industry is being destroyed by people who have zero knowledge of the implications of the effect of all the shit regs
they are churning out and cannot see the bigger picture.

I have £200 lose limit in one of the casino, last week I won £1200 my lose limit jump from £200 to £1200,

 

[Mark_Lottomart]

I have £200 lose limit in one of the casino, last week I won £1200 my lose limit jump from £200 to £1200,

Sorry if I’ve misunderstood, but that’s exactly how it works. If it’s a deposit limit of £200 you can’t deposit more. If you’ve got a loss limit of £200 and you win, the loss limit will increase as you are in profit… for example you can’t lose?

I put a loss limit on my accounts. If it was £10 a month (it’s not) then if I won £1000 I’m £1000 in profit and therefore could spend that back.

It’s why deposit limits and loss limits should be used in combination.

Mark

 

[justdoit]

Sorry if I’ve misunderstood, but that’s exactly how it works. If it’s a deposit limit of £200 you can’t deposit more. If you’ve got a loss limit of £200 and you win, the loss limit will increase as you are in profit… for example you can’t lose?

I put a loss limit on my accounts. If it was £10 a month (it’s not) then if I won £1000 I’m £1000 in profit and therefore could spend that back.

It’s why deposit limits and loss limits should be used in combination.

Mark

I dont real like, is like ok you win is ok to lose your money

 

[Mark_Lottomart]

I dont real like, is like ok you win is ok to lose your money

Deposit limits probably best for you then. ?

 

[justdoit]

Deposit limits probably best for you then. ?

no I will not let UK casinos tell me how much I can spend, when crypto casino offers me 30x wagering bonus and free to play as I wish ?, we live in UK not in Russia under Putin rules

 

[Mark_Lottomart]

no I will not let UK casinos tell me how much I can spend, when crypto casino offers me 30x wagering bonus and free to play as I wish ?, we live in UK not in Russia under Putin rules

Best of luck wherever you decide to play!

 

[shadow123]

Bit baffled about the logic of having both deposit and loss limits.To me the only important thing is how much a player
is winning or losing, Unless a player is depositing large amounts which may be beyond their means a ,deposit limit means
nothing and bears no relation to how much a player is spending.Lottomart recently introduced a loss limit which
does nothing for me, its unlimited but I still cannot deposit more than the deposit limit,so whats the point.
Maybe is a regulation thing
Fraid I am having far more fun in Crypto land where all this shit is non existant

 

[Mark_Lottomart]

Bit baffled about the logic of having both deposit and loss limits.To me the only important thing is how much a player
is winning or losing, Unless a player is depositing large amounts which may be beyond their means a ,deposit limit means
nothing and bears no relation to how much a player is spending.Lottomart recently introduced a loss limit which
does nothing for me, its unlimited but I still cannot deposit more than the deposit limit,so whats the point.
Maybe is a regulation thing
Fraid I am having far more fun in Crypto land where all this shit is non existant

Hey Pal,

Just to check something, the deposit limit you refer to, is that one you have applied or one we have? If the latter, contact our support team and they should be able to change it to a loss limit for you.

Mark

 

[toms596]

UK gaming is a bit crap at times I've put £50 through Gluttony at 20p now and still not hit a bonus I could have paid for 2 by now

 

[shadow123]

Hiya
I have a deposit limit agreed by me and Christian after an extensive SOW, he said that it didnt really meet my needs and that
Lottomart were hoping introduce a loss limit in the near future.I presumed this would work as it does at other casinos
eg if it was set to say £200 and I deposited £100 then won £200 and withdrew,the limit would then be £300.
Anyway the loss limit appeared recently and was set to unlimited by Lottomart.
I didnt expect to see a deposit limit and a loss limit

 

[Mark_Lottomart]

Hiya
I have a deposit limit agreed by me and Christian after an extensive SOW, he said that it didnt really meet my needs and that
Lottomart were hoping introduce a loss limit in the near future.I presumed this would work as it does at other casinos
eg if it was set to say £200 and I deposited £100 then won £200 and withdrew,the limit would then be £300.
Anyway the loss limit appeared recently and was set to unlimited by Lottomart.
I didnt expect to see a deposit limit and a loss limit

It sounds like you’re still on the old deposit limit. Christian is on shift today; jump on live chat and speak to him he’ll swap it to a loss limit.

 

[shadow123]

Lottomart problem sorted , Thanks Mark

 

[Mark_Lottomart]

Lottomart problem sorted , Thanks Mark

Thanks so much for updating the thread. Top respect sir!

 

[DreamRJ]

Well I heard there is going to be more UKGC rules coming in the next 12 months too. I really do foresee a lot more casinos stop operating in the UK.

All the UKGC keep doing because they are clueless is making less and less money because more and more casinos will pull out of the UK market and the UK government will not be making any money because again they are totally clueless all in the name of "Responsible Gambling"

Until every casino who has a UKGC license pull out and the UKGC are left with 0 casinos or just 1 operator left, they will backtrack pretty damn fast I am sure.

It will also mean that every punter will have no choice what so ever but to play in unregulated casinos which in the most part are all pretty much dodgy as f*ck.......

I still have not returned to gambling but I have been keeping upto date with the casino world out of curiosity.

 

[shadow123]

Dont bother returning, it really aint worth it
Been doing ok on Crypto but the bank is being a twat now , just cant win

 

[justdoit]

UK gaming is a bit crap at times I've put £50 through Gluttony at 20p now and still not hit a bonus I could have paid for 2 by now

I try last week UK casino feels like all casinos they switch to 20% RTP or something, made 3 deposit in 3 casinos £100 each lost all on £0.20 £0.40, no one casino give me decant bonus all bonus paid 10x best one I got 30x

 

[Lemon]

Crypto is not an option for me - I won't touch that shit with a bargepole.

 

[justdoit]

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[shadow123]

Pity no one cares a flying fuck about the players and the effect all the shit has on them, dont forget the whole
industry is financed by players no one else.

 

[shadow123]

Crypto is not an option for me - I won't touch that shit with a bargepole.

Never thought I would but I just cant stand any more UKGC bollocks, its gone way way too far and taken all the pleasure out of UK play.
Just as a an exercise I started to research Crytypo and Crypto Casinos, quite daunting at first and was very aware of all the possible pitfalls.
Started with very small deposits, made all the newbie mistakes but my experience overall has been totally positive so far.
Deposits give so much more playtime and the lack of constant RG messages,deposit limits and threat of SOW makes it so more relaxing.
Also got fast spin, autoplay and bonus buys back, bear in mind that many games are designed around bonus buys,grinding away for
hours in UK trying to get a bonus that if it ever comes will probably pay sod all is not my idea of fun.
Like others have said,I would not recommend Crytpo play to anyone, Its a choice they have to make themselves but I can only say for
me its gaming back to how it used to be and should be.

 

[Guntis]

Here is basically a look at how they see online casino play in general, and that's all based on some 2000 telephone survey participants... sersly, published on 08 June 2023:

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[shadow123]

So everything in the garden is roses, Funny how many casinos have quit the uk as a lost cause

 

[Mr_Slot5]

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Well done to Flutter and Entain for putting their concerns across ?

Notice the word ‘confrontational’ was used. That’s exactly how a lot of players feel the whole experience is to them these days too. So obviously something is going wrong somewhere.

 

[justdoit]

So everything in the garden is roses, Funny how many casinos have quit the uk as a lost cause

best start and safes is to play on crypto casino from this forum, you get rap here if you run in problem, they help a lot, they are lot of other crypto out there I try to many of them, but my main one is from this forum

 

[justdoit]

Well done to Flutter and Entain for putting their concerns across ?

Notice the word ‘confrontational’ was used. That’s exactly how a lot of players feel the whole experience is to them these days too. So obviously something is going wrong somewhere.

everyone will love to play in UK casino and support UK casinos, but we work all weak that day off I want to play slots and spend my money i dont want to be stress spending, or I dont want to be stress when I win will they pay me are they going to ask me for sow and other bs, playing in UK casino now is more stress than fun

 

[pinnit2014]

Well, tbf, for those who wouldn't touch crypto with a proverbial pole (understandable), you could levy the same point of view for those who no longer want to touch 91% slots, coupled with SOW's, on regulated markets, with the same pole.

Run the risk of those casino's overplaying the whole regulated market defence but at the same time willing to shaft players with near 89% slots.

Which is worse?.....

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Surely nobody is playing online slots at those RTP’s??