Comments Welcome Rage against the Bonus....

[dunover]

THE BONUS:

AKA THE
BULLSHITTING OF NUMEROUS UNINFORMED SLOTTERS

OK, I've had enough of this archaic and unimagaintive crapola.

Bin the bloody things!

1. Times have changed - we need better ideas.
2. Cut the reams of terms and conditions by a third.
3. Cut PABs/disputes plus grief for casino CS.

Let's face it, "200% up to $2000!" screams the headline ad! And the gullible take it all in, not realizing the math is hopelessly EV- with ridiculous WR. Of course, you're not going to get easy money. So an 'attractive' 100% to £50 say? Only 35x B WR? Look closer. At those levels stakes will be low. 6 hours and thousands of spins later, you have actually cashed-in your bonus! Way-hey! You've earned 50 quid for 6 hours, about the same you'd get in MacDonald's.

Sod's law you win big and see it dribbled away chasing WR. Or you accidentally over-bet. Or you don't see that many slots are on the 'list of doom' for bonus play and yes! you wanted to play a few of them. You spend your 6 hours chipping away at WR, thinking "I'm nearly there!" Oh no you're not, because the sly f*ckers have a term which means unless you have played only slots by Gonorrhea Games the contribution is only 50 or 75%. 2 more hours needed - "Oh, NO! It's my bedtime now.."

I seldom take them now. Saves reading tedious terms and seeing my fave games excluded. I win when I win, not 6 hours later if I can hang in there long enough.

So, we have Trada say with cash feed-ins as you play so you get a %age but in cash. Withdraw when you want, you've earned it.

We have Guts and EU Casino etc. with no-wagering Free Games. Cash again, do with them as you will, win all you win.

So, how about CASH bonuses like Trada's? A decent wedge of FS with no wagering when you sign-up, subject to deposits/play?
Or, God forbid, a decent loyalty cash-scheme as you play like Videoslots does? None of this Microgaming crap whereby you play 10,000 quids' of games and you get a poxy tenner of points which need wagering 35x, but a decent plan?

Just think casinos - you'd retain players like Trada and VS do. Not just attract fly-by-night bonus-seekers most of whom won't deposit again once they realize how poor a proposition your 100% SUB was. You could thin your terms out, give your reps a breather on CM and let your CS have a few extra coffees or sessions with the emery-board.

COME ON! You can and should do better.....

 

[mac72]

The T+c's are where the nightmare is for everybody involved. This has obviously evolved over time but i can't help thinking its now over enginerred.
Surely you can set max bets that your software can recognise which won't allow overbetting when there is a bonus in play, and not let the funds be played on disallowed games (open roulette in betat with a bonus the funds wont show so the tech is there somewhere). Do that and there's no management required apart from kyc ??

 

[dionysus]

I've actually never had a problem with a 100% SUB/dep match nor run afoul of any terms. I read the Ts and Cs and accept the basic ones along the lines of:

wager X times
dont bet over 5 bucks (or 6.5 in some cases)
play slots

I LIKE the challenge of grinding down WR because I've the extra play time with the doubled bankroll of my limited deposit funds.

If I'm flush I don't take one

I appreciate there's casinos have overly complicated terms and such.
But I've never had any issues.
I stick to slots and keep my bets where I'd be playing anyway (under $3) and never had any headaches.

 

[lockinlove]

lets face it. Alot of these terms are in place to freeroll players.

We have seen casinos put restrictions in place so people cant breach the rules. Slotsmillion wont let you play restricted games or go over max bet. Same with videoslots. So it can be done. And casinos that do this, should get tops on any list out there.

All accredited casinos should have to do this. They get traffic to their site for being accredited and in return they save this site on PAB's lol

As for bonuses. For me Wager free is the best of whatever the choice is

 

[Googobucs]

I have to agree. It's time to dump the bonus structure completely. B&M's don't offer this. They reward you for your play in various ways and the online guys need to adopt the same strategy. Bonus money has a 1X play through and they don't give a damn how you play it or how much you cash out.

 

[mrshyguy]

For me I never take a bonus at all if it requires some playthrough, do prefer the free spins idea and what you win is yours.......

the required play through on some bonuses is beyond ridiculous and practically impossible to achieve by most.

I say ban the bonus

 

[weesie]

I am with you dunover!

I rarely take a deposit bonus any more. I never make it through wagering and just

the thought of that much wagering hanging over my head from the beginning

is just too overwhelming and sucks all the fun right out of playing.

If they throw me a freebie then great. I attempt wagering and many times have

succeeded. Kind of ironic, really. But then too, the freebie, at least at the casinos

I can play are sticky and have a max cash-out. But at least I don't have any money

invested in those.

I got a $30 St. Patricks Day bonus from Lucky Red. Wagering was 10x with a

max cash-out of 10x. I made wagering and had $181 withdrawable. Took it right

then and there because I know if I would have tried for that $300 max, I would

have lost what I had.

 

[dionysus]

For me I never take a bonus at all if it requires some playthrough, do prefer the free spins idea and what you win is yours.......

the required play through on some bonuses is beyond ridiculous and practically impossible to achieve by most.

I say ban the bonus

Makes sense. One difference though is - when you go to the b and m you likely bring a bigger bankroll. At home, some play with smaller deposits to eff about (example a twenty max) for those low rollers and want to play for a bit.

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But here's the thing.
If you don't like bonuses? Don't take them.
They're in place for those that want them (and there must be loads or they wouldnt be about)

But if people think theyre overly complicated and headachy...well, there's zero obligation to take one.
Just dep and play.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Can't agree more Dunover

I have been playing online since it was launched in the 90's and had the "honor" of receiving bonuses without any WR All was simple, i would still lose my dosh as i do today, no matter if i got 50, 100 or 500 comps on top.

Compare that to today and is like night and day. I sent once a link to the T&C's from a casino to my lawyer, just for fun and he was amazed at the length and complexity.

Today i play regularly only at the following casinos:

no bonuses:

- Videoslots - weekly race, cashback

bonuses:

32RED - 30xB WR, straight forward, no restrictions on games or bet size, cashout as much as you want
Royal Vegas - 30XB WR, same as 32RED
Bet-AT/Slotty - Withdraw anytime as long as you don't touch bonus money, wager your bonus with the cash balance
Next/CL - i play here the odd match bonus just because these 2 are somehow my lucky casinos, 40xB WR is not great but no DOA restrictions

Others i promised me to take a look in the near future:

Trada - 2$ earned for every 70$ wagered, no restrictions, no T&C's to follow
Rizk - all rewards are wager free, again no restrictions etc.

The bonus complaint threads are nearly equaling the SE threads and tbh, both have become more than a nuisance. I start rolling my eyes the soon i read "bonus complaint" in the "latest posts" section when opening the CM website .

The way to go is Videoslots!! The rest is just a hassle and for me, personally, takes away a good chunk of the fun of playing online.

 

[mrshyguy]

Makes sense. One difference though is - when you go to the b and m you likely bring a bigger bankroll. At home, some play with smaller deposits to eff about (example a twenty max) for those low rollers and want to play for a bit.

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But here's the thing.
If you don't like bonuses? Don't take them.
They're in place for those that want them (and there must be loads or they wouldnt be about)

But if people think theyre overly complicated and headachy...well, there's zero obligation to take one.
Just dep and play.

yes your quite right in what you say dionysus I just feel that as players we are constantly being stripped of fair gaming when bonuses are being used as it appears to be getting harder and harder to get to a stage when you can cash out while using a bonus what with the win rates going higher and higher.
there will come a point where it is imposible to complete a win rate if things carry on as they are and all that players would be doing is spinning the reels for fun with no chance of a wdw....which defeats the object....might as well play in fun mode.

 

[spoton]

I like bonuses. When I first deposit to play somewhere I obviously expect to loose. I also deposit to play some time, so even without a bonus there is still a chance I will wager my deposit 30-50 times(if I dont bust out before). As I see it then a matchbonus will save me some money/give me some more playtime in the long run.

I've never had any problems with breaking any bonus-rules either.

 

[dionysus]

yes your quite right in what you say dionysus I just feel that as players we are constantly being stripped of fair gaming when bonuses are being used as it appears to be getting harder and harder to get to a stage when you can cash out while using a bonus what with the win rates going higher and higher.
there will come a point where it is imposible to complete a win rate if things carry on as they are and all that players would be doing is spinning the reels for fun with no chance of a wdw....which defeats the object....might as well play in fun mode.

Agreed. T and Cs should be thorough yet simple to understand.
And fair WR

 

[hedgehok]

I partly agree.

What certainly has to be changed is the length and complexity of general T&C and bonus terms.

As a casino you can still offer bonuses/campaigns with big enough WR to avert AP but on the other side make them simple enough and fool-proof for beginners. Betat should be the role-model with ambitious WR but flexibility with your withdrawals.

I strongly disagree that Videoslots is the ultimate way to go. I don't want to see hundreds of races all over the place.

 

[Harry_BKK]

I partly agree.

What certainly has to be changed is the length and complexity of general T&C and bonus terms.

As a casino you can still offer bonuses/campaigns with big enough WR to avert AP but on the other side make them simple enough and fool-proof for beginners. Betat should be the role-model with ambitious WR but flexibility with your withdrawals.

I strongly disagree that Videoslots is the ultimate way to go. I don't want to see hundreds of races all over the place.

Agree Hedge.

Sorry didn't make it clear in my statement.

With Videoslots I meant that "WAGER FREE" rewards are the way to go where players are rewarded just for playing, no matter if win or lose.

 

[KasinoKing]

I was just about to post - when hedgehok beat me to it with my exact thoughts!

I like deposit bonuses and do like to take them.
My RAGE is only against the TERMS being far too complicated (e.g. some slots not counting at 100%), the WRs are too high and the SOFTWARE should not let players break the terms at ANY casino.

I've said it dozens of times before... it's NOT rocket science.
(If it is, then the next mission those guys at Videoslots are going to take on, is a manned trip to Mars!)

KK

 

[dunover]

Makes sense. One difference though is - when you go to the b and m you likely bring a bigger bankroll. At home, some play with smaller deposits to eff about (example a twenty max) for those low rollers and want to play for a bit.

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But here's the thing.
If you don't like bonuses? Don't take them.
They're in place for those that want them (and there must be loads or they wouldnt be about)

But if people think theyre overly complicated and headachy...well, there's zero obligation to take one.
Just dep and play.

Fair enough, but that's like a bar saying "If you don't like lager, don't drink here!" The point is, they should offer alternatives like bitter and wine and spirits. If the ONLY thing my custom attracts is bonuses with batshit wagering requirements then I'll leave and go on a bar-crawl....

 

[dionysus]

Fair enough, but that's like a bar saying "If you don't like lager, don't drink here!" The point is, they should offer alternatives like bitter and wine and spirits. If the ONLY thing my custom attracts is bonuses with batshit wagering requirements then I'll leave and go on a bar-crawl....

Lol, they DO offer the alternative.
Dep straight and clear.

None's saying drink this special or leave (dep with bonus or leave).
Order a straight up draft (straight up dep) and pull up a chair.

 

[dionysus]

Here's an honest Q to the affiliates.
You all offer incentives I'm sure.
Do not the ones offering SUBS draw you in players and sign ups vs straight up deposits?

Casinos NEED that catch.
Take Rizk for example.
The 200% gets you in the door.
From there, it's deposit and play with wager free rewards therein.
That 200% got me in the dooor and I still play there though no more dep matches.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Why not go back to basics.

xx% deposit match, slots only, all slots count 100%, no forbidden slots, no max or min bet other than what the software imposes, WR xx times the bonus amount. Bets on non slots count 0% against WR, not that you would notice because these games are all locked out by the software with a bonus.

When it was like this, the bonus related complaints were from players who had played Roulette, Blackjack, or Poker with their slots bonus.

The B&M casinos tend to offer "bonuses" after the fact, based on how much you have played. Often, they are things that will probably keep you playing even longer like a free room for the night, or some free meals and drinks whilst you are on the casino floor. The players' card system also offers far more than the miserly 0.1% one gets online.

 

[dada55]

I don't mind the terms casinos have for bonuses but I do think that the main terms need to be on the front page and not hidden in a 10 page block of text.

Either: The casino software should not allow max bet terms/banned games to be played while with a bonus

Or: Every term that regulates how the bonus should be played should be written in BIG font size 100 words onto the promo banner.


Casinos love creating win win situations for them by hiding important terms such as max bet or banned games in hard to find terms.
What is even more annoying is when bookies have terms for specific promotions, that also link you to general terms, that then link you to general promotions terms that then have a link to excluded games while playing a bonus. Yeah cheers, just spend an hour trying to find whether or not my favourite slot is banned, and it actually is. K thx bye.

 

[MightyDuck]

I like how some of the casinos give you wagerfree FS for deposits or certain wagering. That is a great and straightforward way to reward players.

 

[goatwack]

Casinos are just getting too greedy with their terms nowadays and is getting out of control. Add into the mix restricted games, which mostly doubles the already staggering WR and we will get to the stage where bonuses will become unbeatable. So we are just paying for some unsatisfactory playtime in the end.

Bonuses have lost their way and it is becoming clear that cashback systems or even races (bleurgh) are the way forward. I find myself playing straight cash more and more now, but if bonuses were to be retained then they need a radical overhaul and clearer transparency.

 

[Jono777]

Well never thought I'd see the day as since joining CM, I've agreed with Dunover's 'way of thinking 99% of the time and with many of his posts (including the 'ranty' ones)

Now the brown nosing and the bullshit is out of the way, there is a first time for everything and on this one I have to (in the main) disagree.

- What about the 'humble low roller' who simply wants to extend their session/play time (especially when on the 'run from hell' as I am now!)

- How about those with a low weekly budget (and I stick to it most of the time) who may rely on a deposit match, again to extend the session

- Taking a bonus has led to hundreds of cash outs over the years for me when I've had a terrible start and would have long since busted without said bonus. Yes it works both ways and having a great start my cash out has been reduced due to WR.

- 'Race' typo promos - Email deleted before I've read it - hate em! _ I cannot do £3 spins ever, never mind all day, every day!

- Cash Back - What does it 'say on the tin? ''- Telling me I'm going to lose before I start, pointless and pennies for a low roller

- Free Spins, with or without WR, rarely pay anything, at least a WR based FS they can offer more.

Swings and roundabouts for and against, a great OP but not specific to an individuals personal circumstances.

 

[dunover]

Well never thought I'd see the day as since joining CM, I've agreed with Dunover's 'way of thinking 99% of the time and with many of his posts (including the 'ranty' ones)

Now the brown nosing and the bullshit is out of the way, there is a first time for everything and on this one I have to (in the main) disagree.

- What about the 'humble low roller' who simply wants to extend their session/play time (especially when on the 'run from hell' as I am now!)

- How about those with a low weekly budget (and I stick to it most of the time) who may rely on a deposit match, again to extend the session

- Taking a bonus has led to hundreds of cash outs over the years for me when I've had a terrible start and would have long since busted without said bonus. Yes it works both ways and having a great start my cash out has been reduced due to WR.

- 'Race' typo promos - Email deleted before I've read it - hate em! _ I cannot do £3 spins ever, never mind all day, every day!

- Cash Back - What does it 'say on the tin? ''- Telling me I'm going to lose before I start, pointless and pennies for a low roller

- Free Spins, with or without WR, rarely pay anything, at least a WR based FS they can offer more.

Swings and roundabouts for and against, a great OP but not specific to an individuals personal circumstances.

Simples - don't take the bonus and halve your stakes! Same gameplay time - sorry, I forgot that you can't do 4.5p spins on DoA since the halfpenny was abolished in 1984.

The bonus is also effectively telling you that you'll lose before you start - why do you think it's played AFTER the cash part?

 

[Jono777]

Simples - don't take the bonus and halve your stakes! Same gameplay time - sorry, I forgot that you can't do 4.5p spins on DoA since the halfpenny was abolished in 1984.

lol, glad you put that part, not to mention all of the MG 9-liners which is where I seem to (reluctantly) spend all my time these days on absolute minimum stakes.

I get to do the odd 0.18p bet on a very good day

Playing at Casino Luck as we speak and took 100% Easter promo, would have been in bed an hour ago if not for the bonus but I do hear where you are coming from.

Remember the Triple Rhino, x3, x3, x3, x3 video I posted a couple of months back, over e900 peak balance not longer after and banked only e500 due to WR that session so defo works both ways!

 

[The Dude]

Everyone should know how I feel about the whole bonus thing:
https://sussexmskpartnershipeast.com/bonus-offers/

And talk to any operator, they are here to stay. Sure if all bonuses are banned world-wide, all it takes is one casino to offer one, and it's a domino effect.

Not much you can do about it but convince operators to have other means of promotional material. Free concert tickets - sporting events - trips to Malta etc.

 

[KasinoKing]

Here's an honest Q to the affiliates.
You all offer incentives I'm sure.
Do not the ones offering SUBS draw you in players and sign ups vs straight up deposits?

Well all bar a couple of casinos I list offer SUB's, and it would be a difficult task to drill down the detail (if it's even available) to see how many new players take the SUB and how many do straight deposits.

But what I can say for sure, is that I list casinos on my site in order of the value of the Welcome Bonus (the "value" is mostly related to the level of WR - though other factors, such as %, Cashable or Phantom, bonus forfeiture without completing full WR, etc. also influence the overall score), and the ones with the better bonuses attract more players - as clear as day.

I actually got to the point about 18 months ago when I pretty much stopped adding any new "NetEnt based" casinos to my site with WR higher than (D+B)x20 or Bx40, because I knew I would most likely just be wasting my time & effort on them.
That's why you wont find accredited places like Energy & iGame on my site - because in my opinion, their SUB's suck.

KK

 

[brianmon]

Not much you can do about it but convince operators to have other means of promotional material. Free concert tickets - sporting events - trips to Malta etc.

That would be good if EVERY player got a trip to malta

But since only one, or a handful of players would win anything of value, the majority getting sweet FA, or a few spins on starburst. The bonus will always win over a raffle or competition, because everyone gets the same/similar

Free spins with wagering would be an alternative to the match bonus, IF the wagering was based on the initial value of the free spins, not the won amount.
Otherwise any player who does happen to get lucky with them is completely stitched-up with the huge wagering which comes from a big win.

 

[dunover]

The trouble is that many bonuses now have more strings than a Tampax factory. It's a travail for experienced people like us let alone gullible newbies to trawl though all the excluded games, shonky mathematics (like the stupid ones stating WR is only 5x B but in the weasel-wording further down 'slots only contribute 10% to WR'... )

At least the MG Viper ones at 35x B WR are straightforward despite being EV-.

I still think the Trada ones are best. You withdraw and it's actually sticky (in a good way) as any £2 increments you haven't turned to cash of say your 50 quid match bonus remain to be fed-in during your next session.

 

[goatwack]

The trouble is that many bonuses now have more strings than a Tampax factory. It's a travail for experienced people like us let alone gullible newbies to trawl though all the excluded games, shonky mathematics (like the stupid ones stating WR is only 5x B but in the weasel-wording further down 'slots only contribute 10% to WR'... )

At least the MG Viper ones at 35x B WR are straightforward despite being EV-.

I still think the Trada ones are best. You withdraw and it's actually sticky (in a good way) as any £2 increments you haven't turned to cash of say your 50 quid match bonus remain to be fed-in during your next session.

Fan of Trada much

Can't say I recall ever having played there but if the bonus system is good I'm always up for that. Decent/ fair bonuses are becoming rarer than hen's teeth, can't be too much to ask for some playtime and have an outside chance of a cashout. We're already got a 4% handicap as it is!

 

[dunover]

Fan of Trada much

Can't say I recall ever having played there but if the bonus system is good I'm always up for that. Decent/ fair bonuses are becoming rarer than hen's teeth, can't be too much to ask for some playtime and have an outside chance of a cashout. We're already got a 4% handicap as it is!

I don't play there at the moment as they are not on my 'live' cycle of casinos this month. But I have met Mr.Trada a couple of times at the Meistermeet and a nicer more straightforward bloke you couldn't meet. You have a bar above your game and each time you hit the 100% £2 quid goes into the cash balance on your slot. No strings, no hindrance to withdrawing. As some casinos now love to say on their site 'NO Bullshit!'

They also pay fast too.

 

[beachmba]

Will someone please help a newbie? What do the following acronyms mean? FA, FS, AP, SE, PAB, B&Ms. Thank you

 

[kavaman]

I agree to disagree to both CM and dunover on this. I am actually pro bonus, i think they are great if you have time to read the rules of the casino. If not, just decline the offer. Bonuses are what makes a new casino interesting for a player. If there were no bonuses, i think we would just all play on some major casino like 32red, where i tend to spend most of my time, and have alot of fun, but sometimes i think its time to change things up, and play elsewhere too. If there were no bonus offers , i think it would be a terrible loss for the whole industry as new casinos would not have much power to compete against the big ones .

There would be just a few major casinos where everyone would play. I think it would eventually turn out into a situation where the casino's would not have to "fight" for players, and they would deteriorate to big monsters who don't care about their players as much as they do now.

Free trips to malta, and promotional ipad's and stuff is all great, but only a small part of players actually wins any of these things, so a bonus offer is a more straightforward way to reward a player.

But then again, im not like many players, because i hate the freespins, i don't usually even play them since the value is only a few dollars. I also think there should always be a choice to decline the bonus offers, even for first deposits, since not anyone likes to be restricted to bonus rules.

 

[weesie]

Will someone please help a newbie? What do the following acronyms mean? FA, FS, AP, SE, PAB, B&Ms. Thank you

Hi,

I am the last one to help you but I do know a couple.

B&M stands for "brick & mortar" casino, land casinos

AP stands for "advantage player"

PAB is a term for here at CM stands for "Pitch A Bitch" a service that can be provided here when an on line casino has been hard to deal with such as getting a cash out that was honestly earned or won

FS, I believe stands for "Free spins" at a casino.

The rest, I do not know.

I hope this helps a little!

 

[dionysus]

and SE is self-exclusion.
As to FA, I only know it as *uck all offhand

 

[KasinoKing]

Will someone please help a newbie? What do the following acronyms mean? FA, FS, AP, SE, PAB, B&Ms. Thank you

A couple of years ago CM had some system on the forum which put a little dotted line under acronyms, and a "mouse over" produced a pop-up with the full meaning. I wonder whatever happened to that...

Anyway, I think the above 2 posts have it right - I can't think of anything not rude for FA - where did you see that?

KK

 

[prop82]

Take a bonus or not ist an easy decision for me:

If you have to wager deposit and Bonus x times from the start and have no chance of cancelling/withdraw it i wont take it.
If there is the possibilty to withdraw as long as you didnt use the bonusmoney i always take it. Nothing to loose then. Like the bonuses at verajohn, leovegas, cherrycasino etc...
As my english isnt that good i cant better explain what i mean, but i think most will know it.

 

[dionysus]

Take a bonus or not ist an easy decision for me:

If you have to wager deposit and Bonus x times from the start and have no chance of cancelling/withdraw it i wont take it.
If there is the possibilty to withdraw as long as you didnt use the bonusmoney i always take it. Nothing to loose then. Like the bonuses at verajohn, leovegas, cherrycasino etc...
As my english isnt that good i cant better explain what i mean, but i think most will know it.

clear as a bell

 

[Petrer10]

Bonus

Well. A Bonus is always good. But for People who cannot read or want read the TC`S, Bonus Terms better never Play with Bonus.

 

[TradaCasino]

Thanks for all the great feedback on our cashback system.

Surprisingly, most players do not opt-in to the cashback system so we're working on improving the explanation and advertisement of the offer.


We recently did a small survey with some of our depositing players and found that the players who answered the 'Where did you hear about us?' question with Casinomeister (and other similar forums) were less inclined to take a deposit bonus.

Players that were not coming in through the forums were much more motivated by deposit matches/free spins than the likes of cashback and frequent player points. It seems that the better informed the player, the more likely they are to take a bonus.

Overall really interesting results, and I'd love to run a similar survey with you guys to compare the two.

Check out the responses to 'Which of these promotions offers is the most appealing to you?'. It looks like cash isn't king!

 

[lotusch]

Well said Dunover.
I am not a bonus user anyway as I got stung a few times when just starting to play online.
I didn't really understand the concept of SUB's and won decent a few times only to find out I still had to wager 7956 Euro's to be able to cash out my 500 quid.
So when i understood the concept of bonusses I stopped using them all together.

The only thing I still take on is Free Spins or Cash Back bonusses as they do not involve depositing from my end to retrieve these.
I have already earned them by just playing at a certain casino.

I do like cash back's or some kind of loyalty points (even if it takes 7 years to get enough points to get a pair of ray ban sunglasses).

SUB's for me? Nope NEVER.
I deposit at a casino and play.
If I win the money is mine and if I lose I lose.

Sound and clear.

 

[aceking123]

Thanks for all the great feedback on our cashback system.

Surprisingly, most players do not opt-in to the cashback system so we're working on improving the explanation and advertisement of the offer.


We recently did a small survey with some of our depositing players and found that the players who answered the 'Where did you hear about us?' question with Casinomeister (and other similar forums) were less inclined to take a deposit bonus.

Players that weren't coming in through the forums were much more motivated by deposit matches/free spins than the likes of cashback and frequent player points. It seems that the better informed the player, the more likely they are to take a bonus.

Overall really interesting results, and I'd love to run a similar survey with you guys to compare the two.

Check out the responses to 'Which of these promotions offers is the most appealing to you?'. It looks like cash isn't king!

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The pit fall from my side of things is great you have cash back ,but i would rather see that i'm able to put this into a pot to use whenever instead of it going straight into my account , you should maybe look along kinda cash back pot , where you opt in to monthly cash back or something ? ?

Bonus these are fine , if you don't read the terms attached to them then clearly do not tkae them, i play with & without don't get that many problems , i get more problems with free spins than bonuses ,if there's wagering attached to them.

 

[TradaCasino]

The pit fall from my side of things is great you have cash back ,but i would rather see that i'm able to put this into a pot to use whenever instead of it going straight into my account , you should maybe look along kinda cash back pot , where you opt in to monthly cash back or something ? ?

At the moment there are very mixed feelings amongst the players on which they would prefer, so we're struggling with making a decision on it to be perfectly honest.
We could give the player the option of how regularly they want their cash-drops.

At the moment, it's £2 unlocked for every £70 wagered.

We could offer an option of £10 for every £350 wagered, or £50 every £1750 wagered. This way it would take much longer to access your cash, but at least by the time you reach the target you have a nice amount of real money to enjoy.

Would something like that work better for you?

Rachel.

 

[KasinoKing]

At the moment there are very mixed feelings amongst the players on which they would prefer, so we're struggling with making a decision on it to be perfectly honest.
We could give the player the option of how regularly they want their cash-drops.

At the moment, it's £2 unlocked for every £70 wagered.

We could offer an option of £10 for every £350 wagered, or £50 every £1750 wagered. This way it would take much longer to access your cash, but at least by the time you reach the target you have a nice amount of real money to enjoy.

Would something like that work better for you?

Rachel.

I think what Mr.Jones meant, was it would be better if the cash-back was held in a completely separate "pot" and not put straight into play immediately.
So players could save their pot for a rainy day... e.g. when they bust out.
I would much prefer that too, as you would be able to see your rainy day pot slowly growing, and only claim it when it is a decent amount or when you desperately need it.

BTW, maybe I'm reading this wrong, but it looks like a typo in your previous post to me, and this sounds like a contradiction...

Players that weren't coming in through the forums were much more motivated by deposit matches/free spins than the likes of cashback and frequent player points. It seems that the better informed the player, the more likely they are to take a bonus.[\quote]

KK

 

[TradaCasino]

BTW, maybe I'm reading this wrong, but it looks like a typo in your previous post to me, and this sounds like a contradiction... [\quote]

What I'm saying is that players who come from the forum generally prefer cashback or FPP. Players that come from other sources are much more interested in deposit matches etc.

In relation to the idea of 'saving up' the cashback I may be able to implement this using a frequent player points model, instead of the system we work off at the moment.

I'll include this question in the next survey and let you know what the general consensus in

Thanks again for the feedback guys,

Rachel.

 

[lockinlove]

At the moment there are very mixed feelings amongst the players on which they would prefer, so we're struggling with making a decision on it to be perfectly honest.
We could give the player the option of how regularly they want their cash-drops.

At the moment, it's £2 unlocked for every £70 wagered.

We could offer an option of £10 for every £350 wagered, or £50 every £1750 wagered. This way it would take much longer to access your cash, but at least by the time you reach the target you have a nice amount of real money to enjoy.

Would something like that work better for you?

Rachel.

this is why I never chose the cashback. Something being released $2 at a time is not very appealing at all

 

[aceking123]

hi kk is correct in my thinking ) good job cheers kk )

I think you have a nice casino although i do not play weekly i do tend to pop over & make a few deposits, it would be better from my playing point of view if this could be side tracked or as pointed out by you guys monthly or in another pot as such , not to be added into account as i do any wagering , to be honest i doubt very much i would even notice £2 pounds being added on every £70 wagered.

I would play more if lets say i had been playing a few times in the month of ups & downs but done a fair amount of wagering & got a little cash trapped at the end , then i could just pop over & redeem the cash back i've built up over the playing time , no different from you adding funds as you go , but in a player's eyes bigger bulk of cashback to which you see in your pot you can use for those times when you wanna play but have low funds )

i know it isnt easy to do , just asking if its a possibility in the future ?

 

[Steviedoo]

I love bonuses. I only take a bonus when my deposits are small. $50 or less. and I play at casinos where I can cash out winnings...where... when I do take a bonus regardless of where the wagering requirement is at, you can still cash out some Money.

I don't like playing at casinos where all the WR must be met before cashing out. I used to play at these places. Sometimes I would meet wr sometimes not. Most of the time not. i don't play at those places anymore.

and as a rule when I have bonus funds I never bet over 5% of the bonus granted and that keeps me safe. So if I got 25$ bonus funds... my bet never goes over 1.25. I'm not a high roller.

But I do have to say being here on the forum has made me a better player. A more discriminate player. Every time I join a new casino I read the T&C s thoroughly especially the parts about the sub,bonus and free spins and wr and and and....I do this thoroughly not because I've had a bad experience but because I am a member here and you have all taught me to do so. So thank you casinomeister and casinomeister members.

 

[hedgehok]

At the moment there are very mixed feelings amongst the players on which they would prefer, so we're struggling with making a decision on it to be perfectly honest.
We could give the player the option of how regularly they want their cash-drops.

At the moment, it's £2 unlocked for every £70 wagered.

We could offer an option of £10 for every £350 wagered, or £50 every £1750 wagered. This way it would take much longer to access your cash, but at least by the time you reach the target you have a nice amount of real money to enjoy.

Would something like that work better for you?

Rachel.

KK made a great point there. If you have a pot and convert the accumulated points the player feels more rewarded although he/she gets the same amount of cashback in the long-run. The way it is at the moment you "trickle" the cashback in a way the player usually doesn't even realize he got something. You have to give the player the utmost feeling of appreciation and if he/she gets a big chunk of cashback in one go you more likely achieve that goal.

Funny enough Players at Videoslots feel more appreciated despite their cashback system is FAR worse than yours.

I had a chat with Joe the other day. You guys have the potential to be one of the best, make something out of it.

 

[shewoff]

All sound and reasonable answer's to the bonus scam. I myself do not play bonus's because of the very same reason's. I like to use my money to win or lose.
Here is a prime example of what I speak of. A casino that i have been an advocate of as of late burned me down last night with a bonus that I played and yes it was a bummer from the start.A $25.00 deposit with a $75.00 bonus that gave me $100.00 to play a $5000.00 playthru with a $500.00 max cashout?WOW!
And if you did not get the big win
A $50.00 chip with a $2500.00 playthru and a $100.0 max cashout? Where will I win and what? This is a huge mistake for any player to bet and I will no longer be playing at this casino with my hard earned money!
We try and that is all we can do this just make's me more aware of not playing anything that appear's to be a good deal from a casino? Chance;s are they are not. So in this instance the casino has lost a player and I have lost $25.00 and that is all the burning my ass can stand.Peace Out! Out Of The Mist! shewoff
P.S The exact amount of the playthru was not shown until after the deposit was made.