Statement from Warren Jolly

[Webzcas]

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Please note that the below statements do not represent anything other than the facts, and/or the opinions of Warren Jolly. They do not represent the opinions of Affiliate Media, CAP, or any of its other shareholders or employees.

Dear Clients, Business Partners, Colleagues, and Friends,

Following the recent events and what they are doing to the industry, I felt issuing this statement was necessary, and frankly, a long time coming.

First, and most importantly, I owe all of you a huge apology.

I screwed up. There is no excuse for trying to cover up my affiliation with CardSpike, other than I knew there would be a conflict of interest. I realize that I have betrayed your trust, and all that I can ask at this point, is that you give me a chance to rebuild it. Here is the truth, once and for all.

Last year, Lou and I formed Effective Media Group, or EMG, as a completely separate company from CAP and PAP.

We did this for two reasons. First, Lou wanted to manage a company from his home base in Florida. A new company would provide the revenue stream necessary to enable that. Lou would have a separate company to grow and develop, while remaining at CAP as community administrator, while I handled the day-to-day business of CAP, PAP, and Affiliate Medias other properties from our main headquarters in California.

Second, Lou and I were approached by a group of investors seeking our help in launching two new online properties: Absolute Slots, an online casino, and Cardspike, an online poker website. We set up EMG as a separate company though which we could offer managed consultancy operations to these clients as well as utilize EMG as a vehicle to launch our own affiliate portals CasinoFan.com being the first since that was our start in this business pre-2000. We did this together, as business partners.

Late in 2008, Cardspike experienced errors with affiliate tracking. I dont want to minimize the severity of this error; its an unacceptable oversight that I take very seriously. However, ultimately it was a regrettable but simple technical error involving inaccurate reporting and in no way a deliberate failure on my behalf.

As someone who began my career as an affiliate, I sincerely hope you trust me when I say that I would never knowingly deny payment to any affiliates.

I was just notified this morning that affiliate accounts were credited yesterday for commissions up to January 31st, so everything should be up to date. February commissions will be paid next week. There are approximately 6 affiliates who have not yet been paid because they have not responded to emails requesting their Cardspike Player account information. If you are one of those affiliates, please respond to those emails as soon as possible so you can get paid.

If there are any other affiliates that still have not received payment from Cardspike, please contact [email protected].

Although I had no ownership interest in Cardspike or Absolute Slots, I did have a beneficial interest due to my involvement with EMG. Again, I sincerely apologize for not coming clean sooner about this. I failed to do so because of the perceived conflict of interest with the CAP and PAP operations, and because Lou and I could not come to an agreement on how to go public with this information.

Effective immediately, I am resigning from EMG and surrendering my shares in this company. I will have no further connection with EMG, Absolute Slots, Cardspike, or any of the owners or shareholders of these entities.

Id also like to address the larger issue of Lous banning from CAP, and the reasons behind that.

Over the past weeks, because of certain irrational and potentially dangerous decisions on his part, a rift has developed between my former business partner and me. Several days ago, Lou chose to take these private disagreements into the public arena, by posting harmful allegations and sensitive company information here at CAP and on other public message boards (as well as emailing this information to hundreds of other people).

I felt that Lous decision to make our business disagreements public was not only unprofessional, but also potentially damaging to CAP and the entire iGaming affiliate community.

While Lou originally founded CasinoAffiliatePrograms.com, he has since made the decision to share the ownership and business direction of CAP with other parties via a corporate vehicle.

Lou has recently accused CAP employees of failing to post his CAP TV videos, in which case the accusations were simply incorrect. The truth is, he failed to meet the deadline for content submission, which is the same every week. He has displayed unwarranted hostility towards community members and has even posted forum threads under other users names even under my own name.

He has chosen to circulate throughout the iGaming world a letter in which I am accused of illegally channeling Affiliate Media funds into my own personal accounts. This is absolutely untrue. The transactions in question were simply the transferring of company funds from one corporate account to another. This was done in order to limit access to these funds and protect the company and its shareholders from rash and potentially damaging actions (such as posting sensitive financial information on public message boards).

The following is a statement from Larry Ernst, Affiliate Medias Vice President of Finance:

The WAMU Business Analysis Checking account is used for general business purposes for all divisions of Affiliate Media, Inc.

Regarding the transactions circled on the WAMU Business Analysis Checking Account Transaction History document, funds were transferred to the WAMU Money Market account ending in 2410 to maximize return on funds since the Business Analysis Checking Account was non-interest bearing.

The funds withdrawn by the PC Initiated Outgoing Wire on February 20, 2009 were transferred to the Wells Fargo Business Cash Management Account for Affiliate Media, Inc. and subsequently transferred to the Affiliate Media, Inc. Comerica Business Checking account for safekeeping.

In no event have company funds been comingled with personal funds by any officer of Affiliate Media, Inc.

I am personally appalled to find the corporate records being posted in account number and transaction level detail and compromising the privacy and integrity of the accounts.

This kind of irrational and damaging behavior is why Lou has been banned from the CAP Forum. I cannot allow such unprofessional behavior to further jeopardize this company or the interests of its owners, employees, and community members.

In light of his recent behavior, I strongly feel that Lous exit will only improve the CAP community. Those of you who have been around CAP for a while know that I truly do care about this community, and have been an integral part of its growth. Yes, as a businessman and entrepreneur, I want to see it generate revenue. However, I am not willing to jeopardize my relationships with clients, affiliates, or colleagues to make that happen.

You will be seeing a lot of positive changes at CAP in the future, including, but not limited to:
- Changes to CAP Certification
- Free speech approach allowing members to speak their minds without unjust banning (several were already unbanned at the time of this posting)
- Termination of hostile CAP efforts, such as the T&C alert monitoring and CAP audits. Instead, we will partner with folks who already do this well, such as AGD and APCW.
- Evaluating the establishment of an independent Advisory Board consisting of influential members that will help ensure CAP makes the right decisions in the best interest of all.

I apologize for the fact that a lot of this has been made public, and in the interests of avoiding such a trend into the future, this will likely be the last public post that I make about this issue. I would like to encourage everyone to get back to business so we can move forward with positive change ahead.

I welcome your comments, feel free to contact me directly via PM.

I believe it is too late to make up. The horse has already bolted. How can anyone actually trust CAP moving forward with Warren or Lou still effectively owning it.

Both you and Lou should be thoroughly ashamed.

 

[wangpoker]

All good-will decisions are made in a hurry.
Obviously it's damage control after this stunt.
They just have no credibility.

 

[PokerNations]

I wonder if people hadn't been complaining publically about this for months, and then finally Lou hadn't gone and let the cat out of the bag officially, if Warren would have initiated these changes for the good of the community?

Would Warren have just kept the money and continued the coverups, bannings, lies and so forth had things not gone down like this? Is this just a last-ditch effort at damage control and saving their multi-million dollar business?

You'd think Warren would have done something like this MONTHS AGO, rather than waiting for things to progress to this level of outrageousness.

 

[casinoranking]

I know its popular to bash CAP but could we at least give them credit for when they make the right decision.

 

[casinojack]

I know its popular to bash CAP but could we at least give them credit for when they make the right decision.

Sure...when ?

 

[PokerNations]

I know its popular to bash CAP but could we at least give them credit for when they make the right decision.

To me, all three partners at CAP were aware, complacent or involved in the various bannings, thread lockings & deletions, accusations & demonizing of anyone who questioned what was going on, lies, etc.

Now that Warren wants to try and paint Lou as the perpetrator and claim that no one else at CAP wanted to go down this particular path seems rather convenient given the timing.

So the only "credit" I can give CAP right now is their attempt to use the hot-headedness of Lou to throw him under the bus and claim they want to continue on with "business"

 

[pokeraddict]

I like how it is played off like it is no big deal that they knowingly deceived their customers about CardSpike simply because they didn't know how to sugar coat the fact that they were in a competing business as those they were taking money from to promote. "We didn't know how to tell you we were cheating you so we decided just to lie to you until we were caught so red handed this was our only hope of saving even a tiny shred of our business."

It doesn't matter who points the finger at whom, this all stinks and there are other portals out there that deserve this lost market share.

 

[luckydabberbingo]

I didnt post over at Cap because I swear I will cut my own fingers off if i ever think to post there again LOL. I believe this is damage control and I think Warren is no beter than Lou in this mess just smart enough that he got the majority control of CAP. CAP is just a domain now , hijacked by some holigans . I cannot in good conscious support it again and I do hope the programs remember the legal mess over there and the fact they may find their receipts as evidence in a US Court Room.
It had a nice run but For the officials there to try something like they did is unforgivable and was obviously motivated by greed.Warren had no problems NOT paying affiliates until Lou blew this out of the water.For that I do thank Lou for FINALLY coming clean.

 

[LaurieJim]

It seems to me as an outsider looking in that there is alot of blame that could be spread around, this reminds me of a group of kids that got caught with their hands in the cookie jar and then snitching on each other to save themselves from punishment.

" So who stole the cookie from the cookie jar? Who me? Yes you, Not me, Couldnt be, Then who?"......laurie

 

[rikkerbuddy]

wow that is so shitty

so let me get this right - CAP took money from programs to promote their affiliate programs - So Cap decided to start their own brand with a data base full of affiliates????? The other programs didn't know cardspike was CAP and he is calling that a bad judgment call ......YOU THINK!!!!!! I hope programs hit them in the wallet.

The saddest part of all this - affiliates lost money to cardspike and they did everything wrong, was cap not suppose to be an affiliate watchdog???? they broke all there own rules. What kind of credibility can any affiliate or program ever give someone like that?

Nothing like burning the bridge from both sides.

 

[unicorn40]

I was just notified this morning that affiliate accounts were credited yesterday for commissions up to January 31st, so everything should be up to date. February commissions will be paid next week. There are approximately 6 affiliates who have not yet been paid because they have not responded to emails requesting their Cardspike Player account information. If you are one of those affiliates, please respond to those emails as soon as possible so you can get paid.

If there are any other affiliates that still have not received payment from Cardspike, please contact [email protected].

I'm wondering if the affiliates would still have been paid now, like this, if the amount of money removed from the account wasn't posted? It's good though the payments are finally going out....

 

[PokerNations]

I like how it is played off like it is no big deal that they knowingly deceived their customers about CardSpike simply because they didn't know how to sugar coat the fact that they were in a competing business as those they were taking money from to promote. "We didn't know how to tell you we were cheating you so we decided just to lie to you until we were caught so red handed this was our only hope of saving even a tiny shred of our business."

It doesn't matter who points the finger at whom, this all stinks and there are other portals out there that deserve this lost market share.

Well said PokerAddict! Both sides at CAP have tried to pin the tail on the other donkey. Both have been involved in massive coverups, bannings, thread locking & deletions, demonizing of anyone who sought the truth, etc.

And both sides show little to no remorse, except for the impact this will have on their wallets. These people don't care about affiliates or the industry, or operating ethically.

Let them die off and organizations like GPWA, APCW, CasinoMeister, PAL/CAL and so forth thrive.

 

[RobWin]

You'd think Warren would have done something like this MONTHS AGO, rather than waiting for things to progress to this level of outrageousness.

I think Both Lou and Warren have always operated under the auspices of: "We will only tell the truth when we see that a lie doesn't work better, right Warren...yes, correct Lou"...

I know its popular to bash CAP but could we at least give them credit for when they make the right decision.

This IS sarcasm right, I mean you are kidding here...correct?

It doesn't matter who points the finger at whom, this all stinks and there are other portals out there that deserve this lost market share.

Thank you!, I believe this is exactly what I have been trying to get Dom to see now for the past month and the latest was HERE

These people don't care about affiliates or the industry, or operating ethically.

Let them die off and organizations like GPWA, APCW, CasinoMeister, PAL/CAL and so forth thrive.

Totally agree PokerNations, I think if anyone still wants to align their self with CAP, AMI, EMG or anything else to do with this bunch after all that has gone on over the past several years and all of the events of late may really need to have their head examined IMO.

 

[dominique]

I didnt post over at Cap because I swear I will cut my own fingers off if i ever think to post there again LOL.

Haha, do you still have fingers?

As community member, I have a lot of questions about this comment:

My goal is to be active when appropriate and needed, and to assist in keeping things productive and relevant. I will rely on an elected, independent group of industry experts to set the overall tone and direction of the community, with the assistance of the rest of the CAP staff.

This could be good or bad. It's a bit vague. For me personally, a lot will depend on how exactly this is applied. I am not enamoured with Affiliate Media staff "assisting in setting the overall tone and direction of the community".

I do like the "elected, independent group of industry experts". I think, lol. I have a lot of thinking to do. I would like to see a distinct separation between who runs the community and who runs the business. I don't want the business arm to set the overall tone and direction of the community in any way. I think, from a community member's point of view, that's where things ran afoul.

 

[Webzcas]

I have a better idea. Move and support someplace elsewhere on the internet that does not have the greedy fingers of Warren, Lou or any other shareholder of Affiliate Media in the mix. Without affiliates, CAP fails to exist. However the CAP Community can continue, just somewhere, where Warren, Lou and co have no input or financial interest.

They have lied and lied and lied. Now they have been caught out in their lies they are saying sorry and asking for forgiveness.

Do not forget these are the same individuals that only recently ( Christmas ) issued very real legal threats in the form of attorney letters to several high profile industry figures - To protect their all encompassing CAP Monopoly.

Now they have been revealed for what they are, they are now asking us to support them whilst their cash cow collapses around them.

Any decent affiliate program from what I am hearing will not be renewing their certification. The majority of affiliates have also left CAP as a result.

You earn trust in this industry. Warren and Lou are no longer in a position to have my trust period.

 

[RobWin]

Haha, do you still have fingers?

As community member, I have a lot of questions about this comment:



This could be good or bad. It's a bit vague. For me personally, a lot will depend on how exactly this is applied. I am not enamoured with Affiliate Media staff "assisting in setting the overall tone and direction of the community".

I do like the "elected, independent group of industry experts". I think, lol. I have a lot of thinking to do. I would like to see a distinct separation between who runs the community and who runs the business. I don't want the business arm to set the overall tone and direction of the community in any way. I think, from a community member's point of view, that's where things ran afoul.

I don't see how the two could be separated Dom, because CAP is first and foremost a business as it is the "CAP" brand and name that has in fact made all of the money over the years. The CAP community is the business just like Casinomeister is a business, that is how Bryan and Max make their living, I just can't see how the community at Casinomeister can be distinguished from it being a business first or vice versa with the CAP community.

 

[RobWin]

I have a better idea. Move and support someplace elsewhere on the internet that does not have the greedy fingers of Warren, Lou or any other shareholder of Affiliate Media in the mix. Without affiliates, CAP fails to exist. However the CAP Community can continue, just somewhere, where Warren, Lou and co have no input or financial interest.

They have lied and lied and lied. Now they have been caught out in their lies they are saying sorry and asking for forgiveness.

Do not forget these are the same individuals that only recently ( Christmas ) issued very real legal threats in the form of attorney letters to several high profile industry figures - To protect their all encompassing CAP Monopoly.

Now they have been revealed for what they are, they are now asking us to support them whilst their cash cow collapses around them.

Any decent affiliate program from what I am hearing will not be renewing their certification. The majority of affiliates have also left CAP as a result.

You earn trust in this industry. Warren and Lou are no longer in a position to have my trust period.

I've also noticed too, just this morning that a lot of casino websites and also affiliate members that were previously displaying the "CAP" Logo are no longer displaying it.

 

[rikkerbuddy]

to little to late

"You will be seeing a lot of positive changes at CAP in the future, including, but not limited to:
- Changes to CAP Certification
- Free speech approach allowing members to speak their minds without unjust banning (several were already unbanned at the time of this posting)
- Termination of hostile CAP efforts, such as the T&C alert monitoring and CAP audits. Instead, we will partner with folks who already do this well, such as AGD and APCW.
- Evaluating the establishment of an independent Advisory Board consisting of influential members that will help ensure CAP makes the right decisions in the best interest of all."

-- This has to be making the affiliate programs laugh
This is what I see happening - Affiliate programs start to cancel their advertising - then suddenly they don't meet the certification at CAP and get black listed on CAP. But I am sure Warren has a plan for that
For xxx amount of $ you can come back and be white listed at CAP. That sounds like the best way to save CAP - watch this happen.

I am fairly new to this side of the biz (2 years) but I have read a ton of information. I have to say for pure helpful information CAP is last on my list.
This forum#1 and site #1
the New PAL has a ton of great info (still to new to judge)
the old PAP was great but I am not sure what happened but things stopped getting updated.
GPWA is getting better.

 

[BingoT]

Today's lesson On Trust
The Trust here has been gone for some time now.
It's Sad.
You learn from your mistakes


What is trust? How do you earn it? How do you know if you really trust someone or if you are just trying to conveince yourself that you trust them? If you have had someone's trust and then you no longer have it how do you re-earn it? Who decides if it's been enough "time"? How do you help someone trust you again? What if you've done everything right, made all the changes, and been on the straight and narrow and are still not trusted by those you wish to have their trust? How do you assure them you are trust worthy?
You can emotionally love someone, but not trust them. You can trust them, but not emotionally love them. When you trust a person, you believe that they have your best interest at heart. They wouldn't do something to hurt you for the fun of it, or for selfish gain. You rely on them.
You earn a person's trust by consistently proving yourself to them. You show them that you will not use them or take advantage of them. You will not abuse their love or their generosity.You will think of them before acting.
Re-earning a person's trust is done in the same way, except it take a much longer period of time. People are very different as to how easily they'll trust others -- some have been seriously hurt in the past and hesitate to trust again. Others are very "trusting," even of those who don't deserve their trust. No matter the individual, you earn and re-earn people's trusts through reliance on the integrity, strength, ability, surety, etc., of a person or thing confidence consistency of character -- you prove that you are trustworthy by your deeds.
There is no way to assure a person that you are trustworthy outside of your actions. Broken trust can take years, even decades to repair.It's a very sensitive, and even awkward, time for the two people involved.
If you are the person who has broken another's trust, you have no right to expect anything from them, especially trust. You can only prove by your actions, words, and kept-promises that you are now on the "straight and narrow" and have no intention of straying again. You cannot hold it against them if they search your life for flaws and wrongs -- you earned their distrust. Hard work, patience, perseverence, and consistent proof is the only way to regain the trust you don't deserve.

 

[RobWin]

Good post T...

 

[BingoT]

You know if Trust is gone You have nothing.
It's just a shame this all came this way.
But it is a good Leason learned for many that have that Nasty word of Greed set in.
But I wish the very best for all.
B-T

 

[dominique]

I don't see how the two could be separated Dom, because CAP is first and foremost a business as it is the "CAP" brand and name that has in fact made all of the money over the years. The CAP community is the business just like Casinomeister is a business, that is how Bryan and Max make their living, I just can't see how the community at Casinomeister can be distinguished from it being a business first or vice versa with the CAP community.

Actually, there are a lot of fine lines.

And Meister is a very good example how there can be an ethical business with a forum that still has free speech. Just because Bryan accredits a casino does not mean that you can't say you hate their slots, color scheme, customer service rep or whatever. And if you don't get paid there, they look into it. The community remains free, there is free speech as long as there are no personal attacks etc. It's a good business model because it's win-win - everyone wins.

CAP has a history of free speech having been curtailed by the business arm. That is my main concern. I believe that if a community is allowed to freely express itself, if every individual can express his/her thoughts on any related subject, everyone in the community benefits and a good business management will benefit too because they now have their finger on the pulse of the industry. If community members had been listened to instead of shut up, none of this would have happened. Card spike would have long been settled and CAP would still be thriving.

Because of the history at CAP, if there is to be a fresh start, (and I am on the fence still) the community needs to be self governing. An affiliate manager at CAP brought up an interesting analogy:

CAP is like a newspaper. What is unusual, is that the readership and the writers are largely the same people. If these people were to leave, there would be no newspaper, I.e. no CAP.

There is nothing wrong with the paper having an ad department that sells advertising. A lot of the profits do come back to the writers/readers in various ways.

But should the ad department tell the writers what to write? I don't think so.

The reason that packing up and moving is not a good idea:

CAP is prominent in the search engines. It is easy to find for newbies. Newbies need all the info they can get, and CAP has existed in excess of 8 years and there is a wealth of information to be found if one uses the search function, just like here at Meister. It takes years and years to build up such a reference base. It is like a library, and the books cannot be replaced, they would have to be rewritten. So any new start would need 8 years to equal the resources CAP offers now.

That does not mean that there are no valuable new forum starts, there are several new forums who take a fresh approach and are of value and should also be visited. And Meister hosts affiliate managers also now - more accessibility.

IMO the purpose of the web is to provide information (ok, and entertainment ). Different sites provide different types of info. This industry isn't all that big, it is still quite possible to pull specific info from a manageable number of sites. But I sure don't see a point in destroying the biggest library on any topic.

So IMO this is the time for some constructive thinking. IMO there is something of value that would be lost to people, especially newbies.

I wish all this would have been handled better from the start, I wish Lou was still there because he was a great resource and a friend, and like I said many times over, 1 year of mistakes does not wipe out 7 years of good stuff. At least not in my book.

But what happened, happened, and I think if the community is to survive all this fighting it needs to be self governing and the advertising arm should not be involved in telling writers what to write.

 

[Webzcas]

CAP is prominent in the search engines. It is easy to find for newbies. Newbies need all the info they can get, and CAP has existed in excess of 8 years and there is a wealth of information to be found if one uses the search function, just like here at Meister. It takes years and years to build up such a reference base. It is like a library, and the books cannot be replaced, they would have to be rewritten. So any new start would need 8 years to equal the resources CAP offers now.

The GPWA is also prominent in the search engines and is a ready made alternative, with members there also being members of CAP.

Also If a new venture was to be started elsewhere the majority of CAP Members of which I still include myself would follow. The Programs would in turn follow us.

Now with regards getting good rankings. It would not be hard if those webmasters with older more established sites referenced the new Phoenix from the Ashes affiliate community. That way it would start ranking extremely well, in a very quick time.

I really cannot see how CAP can continue whilst Warren or Lou are financially connected to it. I also personally do not want a part of it whilst they are still involved

 

[dominique]

I cannot search the GPWA, all the interesting stuff about programs is in the private section. Newbies can't search it either. Anyone can search CAP.

 

[KasinoKing]

Also If a new venture was to be started elsewhere the majority of CAP Members of which I still include myself would follow. The Programs would in turn follow us

Look no further!
The new site started recently by the net's most trusted & honest Blue Muppet is ready & waiting:-

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See you there everyone!

KK

 

[Webzcas]

Already there

 

[Dave]

Yep, ABF is cool (I'm "Engineer" over there). Link Removed (invalid URL) is another good resource for affiliates. Lots of familiar faces over there.

 

[BingoT]

I seen this and I like to know more about it.
Where do you sign up or who do you contact for more info?
Thank You

An exciting new affiliate network has been established by three legends

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[lots0]

Dom that was good post.

CAP has a history of free speech having been curtailed by the business arm.

It was not so much Free speech that was being curtailed as it was deleting any criticism of anything CAP related.
Lou and Warren worked hard over the years to APPEAR to be honest and concerned for the affiliates.. when in fact we all know it was just the opposite.

I am going to have a real problem trusting anyone that claims to be an affiliate advocate. I already have some concerns about a few things going on over at GPWA... I have now had three posts deleted at GPWA and they were not name calling or attacking posts.
I even told Michael today that I wanted to withdraw my application for private membership that I submitted just a week or so ago.

I submitted a new post about a program that was "certified" by GPWA that was delaying my payments and feeding me bullshit. The post was never published, but the unnamed affiliate program was informed about my post (that was never published) and the affiliate program the day after I submitted the post at GPWA made a public announcement about them changing their wire fees, after the fact.

Like In another post over at the GPWA...

Affiliates we are on our own.
Don't be so TRUSTING, especially of those that just want to help you...

Maybe a better model is to start an affiliate membership driven forum. Where no casinos are "certified" and the ForumBoard is paid for by affiliate membership fees (that would be very low - enough to only cover hosting and costs). Where Members vote on every major action taken by the community.

I know it's Just a pipe dream...

 

[GaryWatson]

I was banned at CAP in my first thread. I think I managed 4 posts, stuck to the facts and kept away from ranting. I wanted a resolution, not to be picked on. Thread deleted, avator changed and account taken over. That was a couple of years back.

I currently have an account there. Only made a few posts but decided to stop after seeing the same old complaints being deleted week after week. CAP have a policy of pruning forums like Absolute Poker, and with good reason, an over inflated certification fee.

The certification is a joke. Its a false certificate. it provides a smokescreen for the rogue sites. Alter the certification process? Do away with it. It has no true merit and only helps the rogues.

A lot of people are laughing at the CAP argument at the moment. It is run by sociopaths.

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We as a community thank you, Lou and warren for looking out for us. We understand that you promised to take a hard stand on absolute/ ultimatebet if they were caught cheating. We realize that certification fees took presidence. We let you off.

Cardspike? The first I heard of the situation was a post from Ridge, a respected member at PAP. He was banned along with a few others. Maybe his check is in the post, im guessing damage limitation. Poor Ridge, he has his own family to feed and a sick elderly long lost girlfriend to support. Hopefully his rakeback players wont be too upset that you let him down badly. Lou, It's a pity you never considered that before posting your charity appeal.

I may as well cut off my nose to spite my face and boycott Pokerstars for the meantime. I do not trust CAP nor their intentions. Im going with the "bad neighborhood" theory.

I rate pokerstars highly & their support staff but I know how rot spreads, I only have to look in my fridge to know I am making the right decision on this.

Back to a solution

Affiliate forums have been a great help to many. Affiliates can bring in more players.

Affiliates soon realize players are not thick and browse search engines for info. What happens is that the affiliate puts in the effort to assist the player, the player puts in the money to assist the affiliate and the gambling site. Thiis bridges a big gap and helps affiliate/player/gambling site.

Clash of interests

CAP certification. You cannot sit on all sides of the fence.

CAP view on Absolute Poker

They are certified. They pay us.
Be respectful or we will block you and harass you.
We have you over a barrell.

CAP view on Cardspike

We run, own, pay wages and certify. Consider yourself owned.


Personally, I think CAP has/should expire. It has run its course. The morons will still be involved in some way but that is where CM's experience comes in.

Dom has battled to save a sinking ship. CAP wouldnt be in the crap it was if she was at the helm. If the plasters come out and Dom is again sitting pretty as mod at CAP, the same would happen.

The CAP issue is broken and cannot be mended. Many people knew that it was seriuusly flawed, as with its owners.

As for the power struggle for the scraps, sure its happening! IMO, this is by far the number 1 site for both player and affiliate. PAL is making their move but that is a business forum, if they ever certify, same old story.

My contribution will be to quarantine all sites with the CAP badge. Support Dom as a person, not as a CAP mod and avoid CAP like the plague. I will continue to support CM because I see no other reason not to.

 

[rowmare]

Dominique, you have made a few very well thought out posts, one of which I have even nominated.

The way I see it, however, is that three CAP members with the highest profile, you, Lou and Warren, are split three ways, and it's a fight for who can garner the most credibility.

You were there with Lou - and Warren for years. You knew the certification was phoney. You knew members were not free to speak their minds. You sat by and did nothing while members were banned, posts edited, and on and on and you said nothing! You knew probably of a at least a dozen other infractions that the public doesn't know ... yet.

Only now you speak up. Now that CAP has been destroyed. How are any of us to believe you truly mean what you say? I believe in my heart that you are saying what you need to say to cling to your 'status' in the industry, because you didn't go to bat until you had no choice. Not until speaking out would benefit you.

I'm sorry, but I remain very skeptical about your sincerity.

I realize my saying this isn't going to be popular, because many reading actually believe you are sincere in what you've been saying .. for the past week or two. That's ok. I'm not running for Miss Congeniality here, and somebody needs to speak up and confront you about these issues, even if only so that you can explain why you remained silent about CAP's lack of ethics for all these many years.

 

[BingoT]

I think Bryan should consider Dom to be part of this place.(The CM Family)But I know Dom will stay at CAP.
It would be great to see her more after all this mess that's taken place.

 

[jod5413]

Dominique, you have made a few very well thought out posts, one of which I have even nominated.

The way I see it, however, is that three CAP members with the highest profile, you, Lou and Warren, are split three ways, and it's a fight for who can garner the most credibility.

You were there with Lou - and Warren for years. You knew the certification was phoney. You knew members were not free to speak their minds. You sat by and did nothing while members were banned, posts edited, and on and on and you said nothing! You knew probably of a at least a dozen other infractions that the public doesn't know ... yet.

Only now you speak up. Now that CAP has been destroyed. How are any of us to believe you truly mean what you say? I believe in my heart that you are saying what you need to say to cling to your 'status' in the industry, because you didn't go to bat until you had no choice. Not until speaking out would benefit you.

I'm sorry, but I remain very skeptical about your sincerity.

I realize my saying this isn't going to be popular, because many reading actually believe you are sincere in what you've been saying .. for the past week or two. That's ok. I'm not running for Miss Congeniality here, and somebody needs to speak up and confront you about these issues, even if only so that you can explain why you remained silent about CAP's lack of ethics for all these many years.

I am sure that a lot of people are interested in this explanation. I am not bashing Dom, I don't know her, and I am not an affiliate. It does seem strange though that she could have been unaware of what was going on, with the bannings, the deleted posts, the avatar changes, etc. Her posts seem articulate and sound, she is obviously quite intelligent, so what gives, Dom?

 

[dominique]

Lol, what are you gonna say if someone asks if you are sincere? Yes I am, yes I am?

I say what I mean and I mean what I say.

You and I have not agreed on the subject of CAP until recently, that is true. I just didn't have a problem with Affiliate Media making money, and I still don't. In any case, the aff program listings will be changed now, there is a post about it at CAP. As far as I know, bannings were far and between until this last year. I have no admin access and a lot of bannings I never heard about until recently. I have a feeling there are more even than I know now. CAP is a busy board, people come and go. Unless they are regulars I established a relationship with, I don't notice if someone stops coming around.

The noticeable excess of bannings started at PAP and since I don't go there, I had no idea until the card spike thing started spilling into CAP and GPWA and Meister.

And admittedly, I sat there for a long time hoping to hear explanations and waiting for fixes.

Back in the day Lou and I used to talk a lot, but he discontinued using messenger and I hate the phone, and he got busier and busier and so did I. So we have not had much contact in a long time, and I never talked to Warren at all until Lou resigned this last time.

This disconnect is likely why Lou blasted me for starting the open discussions when he returned - we had spoken briefly in London and I assumed he wanted me to fix things. In the old days, he would have contacted me on messenger if there was a problem. I was available on skype, but I guess he was just not in the habit of contacting me anymore.

Being a mod at CAP was not a very time consuming thing, I left a window open during my work day and when I was waiting for something I would bring CAP up and see that thread titles were in the correct forums. Takes seconds if you do it a few times a day. If something caught my interest, I would post.

My main focus is my own site, it takes up more than enough time. That is what I spend my time on, and that comes first. I get info on CAP and Meister and AGD primarily for making decisions regarding my own site. And yes, I value CAP as a resource.

Dunno really what I am writing about here, looks like rambling to me.

 

[Simmo!]

Look no further!
The new site started recently by the net's most trusted & honest Blue Muppet is ready & waiting:-

LOL...can I just point out that a) this was up and running well before any of the recent CAP issues were about and b) it's got a slightly different focus to yer regular affy forum in that it imports player issues and "Meister Warnings" from CM to make affiliates more aware of this side of things when they come to make decisions.

 

[jod5413]

No, Dom, you are not rambling. I admire that you are so willing to answer and try to explain your situation at CAP. I also have admired your self control as many were bashing you when this started. I do not know you, but to me you seem quite calm and rational.

That said, I believe, as do many others, that CAP can not survive this fiasco. And, if I was you, I wouldn't believe or trust either Lou, who seems to have gone over the edge emotionally, or Warren, who does not seem to realize the severity of the situation. Having spent years in the business world, I can not understand how either one of them could possibly believe that what they pulled is forgivable or forgettable.

 

[GaryWatson]

dom. I had very little faith in the industry. The CAP monopoly thing surprised me when you took me on. I was skeptical about that, even in my position. I had a few big issues, we spoke on that but you are a different entity and I wouldnt have allowed my services on you otherwise. Dom, You have done me a very big turn and for many people. I appreciate you, and many others do too.

I want CAP to burn and die!

 

[dominique]

Boy, if I don't end up with some mental problem by the time this is all said and done, nothing is ever gonna kill me.

You got to understand that after years of helping build something, it hurts to see it crash and burn. And you don't want it to crash and burn.

It has nothing to do with Affiliate Media or Lou or Warren, and it has nothing to do with money.

It has to do with years of building a resource. It's not something altruistic I did, and I didn't do it to help Lou or Warren, I built it for myself as well as my peers. I use it every day for years and years. Regardless of what recent events are, CAP (and Lou for that matter) helped solve a lot of industry problems over the years. What Casinomeister did for players, CAP did for affiliates.

And I just can't sit here and suddenly say it's all worthless.

 

[lots0]

...What Casinomeister did for players, CAP did for affiliates.

Thats not true Dom.
Maybe many many years ago CAP helped Affiliates.

But since I been hanging around here the last couple of years all I've seen casinoaffalateprograms.com do has been to hurt the affiliate community.

888
Absolute Poker
UltimateBet
Grand Prive
Gambling Wages
Luckyace

And those are just off the top of my head...

 

[rowmare]

Thanks for your response to my post, Dominique.

You're ok in my books.

 

[GaryWatson]

The self styled 'Professor' Lou Fabiano

https://sussexmskpartnershipeast.com/forums/threads/29754/

Warren

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CM, all you members ask of you, is for you to do what you so well.

 

[GaryWatson]

It doesnt matter how much you disagree with another site, you often have mutually beneficial links. For non affiliates, links bring in new viewers.

When my future mother inlaw stated to sweep a certain situation under the carpet I disagreed. Well our relationship didnt last well and since my fiance ended up a scabby junkie.

My response? Im not proud of but pretty delighted I got to 5 different places and extented the finger.

It cannot come to court so I am laughing.


Lou, warren. If you have ever learned anything, dont screw with people who have nothing to lose, otherwise your mug will draw the short straw.

CM, be the person we respect you for

 

[RobWin]

I still have not heard anyone mention their thoughts on whether or not they believe this admission by Lou & Warren of their involvement in an online poker room will be escalated to a further, more serious impact on themselves and their businesses if and when an indictment is handed down by the powers that be.

This is just now starting to get out into the main stream media and as J. Todd mentioned in his video that this may possibly be another story picked up by 60 minutes or the like's of another major media outlet. I still find it really hard to believe that things will ever return to normal at "CAP" as this is only the beginning of possibly many investigations into this company's business and their involvement in other online betting operations.

I think the one thing that both Lou and Warren have working in their favor at the moment is the fact that Obama is in and Bush is out. Other than that, this is still one major can of worms here that the lid has not even been totally pulled back on yet. Both of these guys are US Citizens and both have publicly admitted their involvement and their US Corporations involvement in an online poker room taking bets from US Citizens.

Am I the only one here that can see the possibility of their potential demise and confiscation of their businesses by the US Authorities ??

There are thousands of folks here in the US that have been indicted before on much lesser offenses than what we see Lou and Warren admitting to in public here.

 

[BingoT]

For what it's worth I see if this goes further I see Jail time for both of them.
Or who knows Rob maybe someone leaked it out to the right people to get this on tv.
You Steal You Pay
If you steal from people you know or not know You will Steal from your own Mother.

If this goes to court we will know the Truth.

 

[lots0]

I have been contacted just this morning by a reporter from a "major network", wanting an interview over the crap at cap.

I don't know if I will do the interview or not, I'll decide later today.

I would expect others have been or will be contacted.

I would also expect the SEC and DOJ to be VERY interested in all this.

I don't know how stupid you would have to be to admit in public and on the www that you are the owner an online casino and an online poker room when you are a resident and citizen of the USA.

 

[bb1webs]

Hi all (Robwin)

in answer to R's post: hardly.

When Lou comes down from whatever meds he's been taking (because that's the best spin I can come up with) its going to be real bad under the best of circumstances because eventually people who haven't realized it yet are going to become aware that he hung more than just his and other owner's of the company's butts out in harms way.

Everyone ever a member at CAP that lives in or visits the states could potentially see a hassle which was completely unnecessary (unless of course you feel Lou's missing money and control of his cash cow are worth it).

We've seen injustice after injustice and even on a large scale in the matter of cardspike but this action of admitting publicly he owned an online casino and poker room .. whatever the % might be ... unnecessarily placed the privacy of every member both present and past ... at risk.

I don't want nor can afford to pay a lawyer a ton of money (and anytime its a lawyer its a ton of money ... I imagine that's true anywhere in the world) just to prove I had no further association with CAP than that of a posting member as I do here or at any forum including my own.

I don't want to have to prove I never took a bet or handed any money to anybody that was the direct result of my owing them money for a gambling transaction having taken place. When you get money from me there is no risk involved therefore there is no gambling.

Who needs it?

No I doubt either of us are the only ones who can imagine what a can of worms this could be ... but I think there are many who would prefer to ignore the possibility rather than deal with facing its potential outcomes, non of which are pleasing or beneficial to anybody including and perhaps most of all Lou.

I may have questioned his ethics but not until now have i ever questioned his common sense of not sticking your foot down on the spring of a loaded bear trap.

 

[rikkerbuddy]

Very much

I still have not heard anyone mention their thoughts on whether or not they believe this admission by Lou & Warren of their involvement in an online poker room will be escalated to a further, more serious impact on themselves and their businesses if and when an indictment is handed down by the powers that be.

This is just now starting to get out into the main stream media and as J. Todd mentioned in his video that this may possibly be another story picked up by 60 minutes or the like's of another major media outlet. I still find it really hard to believe that things will ever return to normal at "CAP" as this is only the beginning of possibly many investigations into this company's business and their involvement in other online betting operations.

I think the one thing that both Lou and Warren have working in their favor at the moment is the fact that Obama is in and Bush is out. Other than that, this is still one major can of worms here that the lid has not even been totally pulled back on yet. Both of these guys are US Citizens and both have publicly admitted their involvement and their US Corporations involvement in an online poker room taking bets from US Citizens.

Am I the only one here that can see the possibility of their potential demise and confiscation of their businesses by the US Authorities ??

There are thousands of folks here in the US that have been indicted before on much lesser offenses than what we see Lou and Warren admitting to in public here.

I would be worried as a program - I am sure CAP has some sensitive information. Also I would be a little worried if your a US affiliate - I hope no affiliate including myself gets a letter to show up in court

I still think the funnest part is warren saying he is going to start a certification process lmao - what good poker room or casino room let themselves get audited by the biggest snake in the biz right now.

Did I tell you I love this biz

 

[bb1webs]

btw: anybody who thinks this won't go further probably hasn't heard that bank statements were floating around.

I honestly cannot tell you what it was because I immediately said no I don't want to see or know but a download of some sort was offered to me and the person claimed it was Lou's bank statements and that Lou was the one who let the loose.

Well I suppose it will require the prosecuter to actually approach the microphone and say "the prosecution rests". But that's about how the trial is going to go.

I'm not sure they even give a break on temp insanity when it comes to this sort of charge but if they do and I was a juror I'd surely allow it because I have likely never seen such an insane action in my lifetime in respect to doing the most opposite action you could possibly take if you were wanting to avoid prosecution.

sidenote:
I once was paid $125 for posting something or for winning a raffle ... now i'm worried that'll cause me to have to spend time straightening that out. Thank God I don't have anything to hide short of not wanting to spend valuable time, and money better spent elsewhere, clearing myself from association.

 

[Simmo!]

I have been contacted just this morning by a reporter from a "major network", wanting an interview over the crap at cap.

I don't know if I will do the interview or not, I'll decide later today.

IMO the press like to sensationalise and anything they say/show can only reflect badly for the online gambling industry. Or do it, and play it down as a non-story might be a better option. The more press this receives, the more damage it does and not just to CAP.

 

[RobWin]

Yea bb1webs, I'm kinda like you in what I have been thinking about all of this the past few days with peeps making posts about trying to save "CAP", this and that, bla bla bla. I think most of them have been missing the real issue here, that is, the serious issue that we have just touched on here.

I also think that for Lou and Warren trying to save their flagship "CAP" and Lou worrying about his email just simply goes to show both of their naiveness toward this whole issue. That kind of stuff will be the least of these boys worries when this really starts to hit the $hit Fan in the media and the US Authorities get a hold of this story. Don't think that there will be any "CAP" left to to save after that happens.

What in the hell were they thinking anyway...