Videoslots Cash Back Offer Overrated?

[Azzurri]

First off, let me state that the point of this thread is not to discredit Videoslots or complain about their service in anyway, but more to start a debate as to whether their much advertised offer is actually beneficial when compared to other casinos who regularly offer comps after losing sessions.

I was originally a big supporter of VS when they first started their BOF, and initially thought the cash back offer was a good one. In the first month I played there I deposited approximately $5,000, and received a huge cash back figure of approx. $470. Sounds great on paper, but what must be taken into consideration was that on my very first deposit, I had built my balance up to $7,000, and then in my own stupidity, I lost it all. No arguments there, as I was accountable for the loss, however I'm sure that first session had much to do with that first monthly cash back figure I received.

The following couple of months I continued to deposit quite regularly, however I could never replicate that first session, and loss most deposits very quickly one after another. Of course my cash back rewards also dwindled down, and without the exact figures in front of me, it was something along the lines of, 2nd month - $29, 3rd month - $12 etc.

Now this wasn't a huge issue, as although I could never win more than my original deposit, Lucas was always on hand to grant a losers comp to have another try, and seeing as I was losing $200 deposit after $200 deposit, this was a nice gesture to keep me continuing to deposit despite my losing streak.

Fast forward to present time, and it would seem that now VS has passed the BOF, Lucas is more reluctant to offer any comps, and prefers to direct players attention to the fact that there is cash back waiting in the wings. Of course Lucas and VS are well within their rights to do this, as comps are a goodwill gesture and not a necessity. Once I realized VS was no longer giving out comps, I decided to close my account, and stick with casinos that do, as I didn't feel I was getting much value from the cash back offer compared to the deposits I was making. As I was also losing my deposits very quickly, I also wasn't getting much value from the races due to minimal spins from those quick losses.

Now fast forward to yesterday, and as I was having trouble depositing at my favourite site, I decided to try VS again, as I know they do AUD transactions, and I reopened my account and deposited $190. Predictably, I lost it all in a blink of an eye, with no features and no wins. Tough break, but nothing I'm not use to, case in point I had just lost $800 at Leo Vegas just prior.

Now this is where my question as to whether VS's cash back offer is overrated comes into play. I thought my quick loss and the modest amount deposited, was worthy of asking Lucas for a comp, as I knew from my quick play time I wouldn't have much to expect from the promos they offer. Lucas' response was yet again 'no' to a comp, and again he politely told me that I could pleasantly look forward to my cash back, which would appear soon.

Fast forward to today, and my cash back amount in waiting is a huge $3.50! Lucky me, lol.

Now, there's no question in my mind, that if this was at Guts or Leo Vegas, and I had loss that amount that quickly, Ben or Olle would grant me a $35 - $50 comp (they've been known to credit me much more, like $90 from Olle recently) without a second thought. I still find VS's terms regarding the cash back very vague, as in there is no way for a customer to calculate it, and as it is a % of their daily profits, there is no way for us to check it's correctness. Basically it is a luck of the draw scenario, and we can only hope for prolonged play time, and a profitable day for them, to see any value from it.

So, from my experience, my personal opinion is I have to say that I am no longer seduced by VS's 25% cash back claim. It's too hit and miss for me, and if you are on a losing streak like I have been, then you've obviously got no chance of getting any worthwhile compensation from it, regardless of the size of your deposits. If you're winning, then you can expect value, and a larger cash back portion, however, if you're winning, provided you cash out like a smart human being whilst your up (yes, personal jibe), then you hardly really need the compensation it provides. These are the key points imo, in determining it's true value as a much hyped promo, and obviously my pick is pro comps.

Like I said, this is not to sledge VS, but I thought the cash back vs. comps debate is a worthy topic, and found it interesting, as many praise VS's promo. Yet on further reflection, I feel once the dust has settled, it stands out to me that the comps avenue is much more beneficial to players. It should also be noted that most of the promo's fans, are those who have had a winning session, hence they get a large piece if the cash back pie. I was also one of these early advocates for this reason, before realizing exactly how it works as a compensation measure.

I'll close with this; I have never made a withdrawal at VS ever, and have amassed a total of approximately $650 in compensation from the cash back and races offer since joining in Feb 2014.

I joined Guts at the same time, have made multiple withdrawals, and have amassed close to double that amount in comps.

Amazingly, I most recently joined Leo Vegas last month, and have already amassed approximately $600 in comps.

I have deposited almost equal amounts at Guts and VS, and a quarter of that amount at Leo Vegas.

So what is your opinion? Overrated gimmick, or legitimate beneficial compensation for losing players? Interested to hear your thoughts.



**Special Note: I less regularly deposit smaller amounts at Bgo and Betat, yet am always offered a small comp after every losing deposit regardless of size. Credit where it's due.

 

[Tirilej]

I hope it was ok that I notified Lucas about this thread.

Since it is about their casino I thought he should be able to say his thoughts too.

I'll save mine for another day

 

[BMWSTACK]

.

Now fast forward to yesterday, and as I was having trouble depositing at my favourite site, I decided to try VS again, as I know they do AUD transactions, and I reopened my account and deposited $190. Predictably, I lost it all in a blink of an eye, with no features and no wins. Tough break, but nothing I'm not use to, case in point I had just lost $800 at Leo Vegas just prior.

Fast forward to today, and my cash back amount in waiting is a huge $3.50! Lucky me, lol.


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I wouldn't expect a comp on a $190 loss regardless of how quick it was at any casino, unless maybe it was the 3rd or 4th losing deposit in a row same deposit size.

Now is the cashback more like a compoint system that is automatically redeemed for you? If so any casino that I know that does comp points probably would not have generated $3.50 in points. For example if you lot $190 real quick on RTG you would be lucky to have $1.00 in comp points.

 

[paul7388]

Maybe its just me but you seem to close accounts and reopen them a lot. Personally I play at a casino because I like it and bonuses are not everything like for instance I used Ladbrokes for over 10 years when they were microgaming even tho I knew I could get better offers elsewhere but fact I liked them meant I stayed loyal. I know a lot of players always ask for comps but its just a thing ive never bothered with. If I deposit and lose then so be it ive never went onto chat asking for a comp as ive lost my money same as ive never went onto chat and said can I get a bonus its my birthday. If a casino gives me comps then fine its not something id chase tho I know many do. End of day I play casinos because I like the whole package not just what they offer in bonuses.

 

[VS_Lucas]

Hi Azzurri,

Good evening. Here below find our cashback offer explained:

You earn cashback every day, every week on all your bets in our Video Slots and Slots games. The cashback is paid to you every friday with one week delay. So if you play during week 40, the cashback is paid to you friday, week 41.

You can follow your earnings in my account under "My Casino Cashback". The cashback statistic is updated once every day.

How is the cashback calculated?

We at Videoslots.com give back 25% of our daily profits to our players. This is awarded by percentage, the more you have bet during the day, the bigger piece of the pie you get.

You may check out our casino cashback page here - >

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Kind Regards,
Lucas

 

[brianmon]

I find it a waste of time. I haven't closed my account. but i just don't play there any more.
I find the regular bonus offering from the other casinos much more attractive than a few pounds cashback, even if it is hard cash.

Unless you manage to get a large amount, you're most likely to just play with it, rather than withdraw it. which is probably their hope

Also there's no real 'accountability' you just get told 'this is your cashback amount' rather than you've won this amount of cashback because of x,y and z. So they could pay you what they want to really.

At least with a match bonus, even with WR, you can get double your deposit or whatever, giving you a longer play time and more chance of hitting a decent win, rather than just a few percent of your deposit back

 

[Azzurri]

I hope it was ok that I notified Lucas about this thread.

Since it is about their casino I thought he should be able to say his thoughts too.

I'll save mine for another day

Not sure why you would have to personally notify him, as I'm sure he would have noticed it, but no I don't mind.

In saying that, with all due respect, I'm not really interested in Lucas' thoughts, as I stated their offer is what it is, and it's his prerogative whether to offer a comp or not.

This isn't a me vs VS thread, so please don't turn it into that. I used VS as the example, as that's the site I've had my experience with, yet their are others who use this cash back method.

The thread is more directed at whether these offers are overrated compared to sites that use a comp system. Of course Lucas is going to back his casinos promo, as I have the right to declare I lean towards the comp system.

This is a player's forum where these things can be debated. Reps are present, but that doesn't mean we can't have such debates regarding their promotions. I haven't been disrespectful of Lucas or VS, only honestly stated my experience and his stance, which I accept.

 

[Dinahnana]

Personally I would prefer cashback on your losses. The way it's set up now the lucky players (ones that get playtime) get the bigger piece of the pie and the poor sobs like me who get unlucky get less. I lost 200euro very fast on this casino last week and my cashback was 5.5 or something. I also won 6euro on the race. I can't help but feel a little cheated. Videoslots did nothing wrong it's just lady luck and MGS has been in a snit with me lately.

I think it would be better if Videoslots offered a percentage of cashback on the individual players deposits. They could impose a modest WR on said cashback. Then the high earners would get lucky on the races. Right now the promos are set up for the winners and the losers are being left behind so to speak. This is just my opinion.

 

[Azzurri]

I wouldn't expect a comp on a $190 loss regardless of how quick it was at any casino, unless maybe it was the 3rd or 4th losing deposit in a row same deposit size.

Now is the cashback more like a compoint system that is automatically redeemed for you? If so any casino that I know that does comp points probably would not have generated $3.50 in points. For example if you lot $190 real quick on RTG you would be lucky to have $1.00 in comp points.

I respect opinion, but disagree. I personally never knew what a comp was until I found this site, but I think if you're a loyal customer who makes regular deposits and have a very quick losing experience, then you should be eligible for a comp to get some extended play time. It's up to the casino if they then grant it, but if I don't think I got my money's worth, then I'm going to ask the question.

Again though, this threads not about what constitutes a comp. I've stated I play at sites that do give them regardless of deposit amount, and there's those that don't such as VS, as they feel their promos compensate in this regard. Hence my thread is to debate whether players agree this is a good comp system as opposed to the more traditional practices of free chips and the like. My example is just stating that from my experience, I feel I have got the better value for money from other sites that adopt the more traditional comps.

If you don't ask for or accept comps, then that's also your prerogative, however many players do expect and accept them, do my thread is aimed more towards those players.

Thanks for your thoughts.

 

[paul7388]

I can understand your point azzurri except you had closed your account a few months ago and only reopened it and made one deposit. So I don't really see why the casino would give out a comp to a player who had only made one losing deposit since they reopened their account. For a casino to do that they would have to give a comp on every losing deposit ebvery player makes which is hardly good business practice.

 

[Azzurri]

Maybe its just me but you seem to close accounts and reopen them a lot. Personally I play at a casino because I like it and bonuses are not everything like for instance I used Ladbrokes for over 10 years when they were microgaming even tho I knew I could get better offers elsewhere but fact I liked them meant I stayed loyal. I know a lot of players always ask for comps but its just a thing ive never bothered with. If I deposit and lose then so be it ive never went onto chat asking for a comp as ive lost my money same as ive never went onto chat and said can I get a bonus its my birthday. If a casino gives me comps then fine its not something id chase tho I know many do. End of day I play casinos because I like the whole package not just what they offer in bonuses.

I close accounts if I think the casino has been shady in any way, or if I think my loyalty isn't appreciated. I've also recently closed many so I could just focus on a few that I specifically liked and wanted to remain more loyal to. Your comment has nothing to do with the op, but I hope that clears that up for you. I chose to close my account at VS due to the reasons described, and I prefer to deposit where I get the most value for money. I respect your opinion that you don't care about this, but I'd say I'm the majority in terms of being a regular consumer who spends his money at the vendor who provides the best overall package, which I think would include value for money.

For me, bonuses don't really come into play, as I rarely use them and prefer straight deposits. I may on average take a bonus once or twice every month or two, and I average $2,000 - $5,000 in deposits each month.

I also see comps as a sign of loyalty from a casino to it's player. If I'm going to show you loyalty with regular deposits, then a small gesture of appreciation in return is going to be well received, and ensure further regular deposits. Some players don't like asking for them, but I've had more than one rep tell me, that if players don't ask, they will never receive, as they can't personally monitor every players account, and will only do so if asked. Then they can look into whether you are eligible.

 

[Azzurri]

Personally I would prefer cashback on your losses. The way it's set up now the lucky players (ones that get playtime) get the bigger piece of the pie and the poor sobs like me who get unlucky get less. I lost 200euro very fast on this casino last week and my cashback was 5.5 or something. I also won 6euro on the race. I can't help but feel a little cheated. Videoslots did nothing wrong it's just lady luck and MGS has been in a snit with me lately.

I think it would be better if Videoslots offered a percentage of cashback on the individual players deposits. They could impose a modest WR on said cashback. Then the high earners would get lucky on the races. Right now the promos are set up for the winners and the losers are being left behind so to speak. This is just my opinion.

Thanks osulle, this is my point exactly. When you consider the sites that offer regular comps, then basically you can look at this as a straight cash back on your losses, hence I think there's more value there for losing players. Case in point, the examples and comparisons I made with guts and Leo Vegas.

Thanks for getting my point.

 

[brianmon]

Right now the promos are set up for the winners and the losers are being left behind so to speak.

Exactly.

If you win, we'll give you more. If you lose, tough

 

[Tirilej]

If you had written in the title that it was just about comps then I hadn't told Lucas.
But with the casinos name in, late a Friday, he should of course be told about it.
Even if you say it's a discussion about comps I see it clearly as a complaint about Videoslots.
I don't play there myself so I don't know much about their system.

What I think, is that we have a lot of reps in this Forum and I feel it's sad if they are used for the purpose of people only asking for comps.
I love the fact that they are here. I always have so many questions. They are here if people need help that the casinos can't solve.
They are here as part of the forum and also as just members.

I don't like to see a thread with a complaint just because someone are denied a bonus from one of the reps here.
It can be seen as blackmailing. We don't dare to say no to this guy.
That is my opinion.

 

[Dinahnana]

Exactly.

If you win, we'll give you more. If you lose, tough

Since you lose way more often than you win this promo set up leaves one feeling bereft Again I say Videoslots is a good casino, I just have no luck there. I am also not feeling the love.

 

[Azzurri]

I can understand your point azzurri except you had closed your account a few months ago and only reopened it and made one deposit. So I don't really see why the casino would give out a comp to a player who had only made one losing deposit since they reopened their account. For a casino to do that they would have to give a comp on every losing deposit ebvery player makes which is hardly good business practice.

This is fair enough, and as I stated in my op, Lucas chose not to credit a comp, and I accept this. With all due respect, I think you're focusing on the wrong point of the op. It's not about me asking if I should be eligible for a comp. It's about the fact that had I played at another regular site, I would have received a generous comp, therefore is the much hyped cash back offer overrated in comparison to the sites who offer these regular comps? The only reason I mentioned my conversation with Lucas, is because it's not the first time he has referred me to the cash back I can expect after saying no to a straight comp, however the cash back has been very small compared to a comp another site may have offered me. My point was to present a clear comparison for other readers to grasp.

And just for the record, it was only a couple weeks ago that I closed my account originally, and prior to this I was a very regular loyal customer. I only revisited due to the deposit issue, and had Lucas granted a comp I may have stayed. I respect his decision, but it also confirms my original decision, and now my deposit issue has been resolved at my regular sites, I won't be returning to VS due to being of the opinion I am better off value wise with my regular sites.

I've just come to discover that VS's promo favors winners, rather then compensates losers. Therefore I wanted to have the debate, as I took some time to work it out, and thought it would be a good topic to bring to other player's attention, and get their thoughts on.

I think too many readers are quick to jump on threads with the assumption a totally negative opinion or fight is trying to be started. This is just a debate, and I've respectfully given my opinion and have already made my decision. I've even admitted the benefits of VS offer to players who do well, and for those who don't. So a fair appraisal imo. If I said anything nasty or untruthful, I'm sure Lucas would of jumped on it. Fact is he didn't, so he obviously understood the threads intent and debate.

 

[gagamel]

Without a doubt they are good.
I played there and I will play there again.

In my opinion it is a little doubtful to whine here in the forums because of loses.

If you lose, take it like a man and don`t ask for compensation.

You deposit 5000 and lost. In my opinion that is your problem. Videoslots has a cashback program and slot tournaments. If you play a lot you will get something back, right?

What do you want? A casino you deposit 5000 and they give you 7500 back because you lose?

A 99% cashback?

I really don`t know what is wrong in these forums for the last weeks.

I`m now for over two years here but I never saw so much whining and tin foil hatters as in the last weeks

 

[Azzurri]

If you had written in the title that it was just about comps then I hadn't told Lucas.
But with the casinos name in, late a Friday, he should of course be told about it.
Even if you say it's a discussion about comps I see it clearly as a complaint about Videoslots.
I don't play there myself so I don't know much about their system.

What I think, is that we have a lot of reps in this Forum and I feel it's sad if they are used for the purpose of people only asking for comps.
I love the fact that they are here. I always have so many questions. They are here if people need help that the casinos can't solve.
They are here as part of the forum and also as just members.

I don't like to see a thread with a complaint just because someone are denied a bonus from one of the reps here.
It can be seen as blackmailing. We don't dare to say no to this guy.
That is my opinion.

You are so far off the mark it's not funny. I find your response extremely offensive, and considering you have only referred to the threads title, and the word comp, tells me you probably didn't even read the whole original post.

How about you stick to being the forum police, and refrain from making off tangent accusations when you haven't even had the decency to read and understand the point of the thread.

Thanks for your thoughts, but please direct your condescending and offensive comments elsewhere.

 

[Azzurri]

Without a doubt they are good.
I played there and I will play there again.

In my opinion it is a little doubtful to whine here in the forums because of loses.

If you lose, take it like a man and don`t ask for compensation.

You deposit 5000 and lost. In my opinion that is your problem. Videoslots has a cashback program and slot tournaments. If you play a lot you will get something back, right?

What do you want? A casino you deposit 5000 and they give you 7500 back because you lose?

A 99% cashback?

I really don`t know what is wrong in these forums for the last weeks.

I`m now for over two years here but I never saw so much whining and tin foil hatters as in the last weeks

Are these disrespectful haters for real? I swear no one even reads entire posts, or digest them before grabbing their pitch forks. I'm soon to never contribute to this forum ever again.

Hey Gagamel, you catching smurfs, or did you just drop into their village to eat the magic mushrooms?

Maybe you can go to rehab, then apply for a job with your mate in the forum police force.

The nerve of some people.

 

[gagamel]

Are these disrespectful haters for real? I swear no one even reads entire posts, or digest them before grabbing their pitch forks. I'm soon to never contribute to this forum ever again.

Hey Gagamel, you catching smurfs, or did you just drop into their village to eat the magic mushrooms?

Maybe you can go to rehab, then apply for a job with your mate in the forum police force.

The nerve of some people.

Reported

 

[Azzurri]

Reported

You should have a strong case there mate. Good luck .

La, la.... la, la, la...la.....

 

[gagamel]

You should have a strong case there mate. Good luck .

La, la.... la, la, la...la.....

Reported

 

[Azzurri]

Reported

Have I just entered the twilight zone?

Thanks for ruining what was turning into a decent debate, you narcissist.

 

[The Dude]

C'mon guys. Can't we have a discussion without the baggage?

@Azzurri - that response to Tirilej was a bit over the top. She contacted the casino rep - which was fine. Having casino reps being part of the discussion is great - but you need to understand, all members have a right to voice their opinions, even casino reps. Take whatever you get with a grain of salt, or just ignore what you don't accept or think is valid, and carry on with the discussion. No need to get obsessive or hyper-defensive.

Let's be mellow people - weekend is coming up and it's beer time.

 

[dunover]

I closed my account there because they removed the straight deposit limit monthly which I like as a feature of all sites. When I did play there I found for a small-stake player like myself (and the inimitable Chopley found the same) that the system was very good. To get cashback on turnover as opposed to simply losing was a novel idea, better than the crappy comp points many sites offer, plus the races were good. I liked the place, still do even though I closed my a/c.
Azzuri has correctly spotted that this system doesn't reward the high-rollers in the same proportion as the lo-rollers. He is clearly better off at sites which run the comp point system and chuck chips at big losers.
The thing is that if you check VS's terms this is the way the site works, and due to the relatively generous rewards to MOST players the scope to chuck comps in may be limited.
The fact is that terms and rewards nearly always differ from expectations or assumptions you may just be 'looked after' if you lose. Not every site is Guts or Bet-at or 32red.

 

[Azzurri]

Reported

C'mon guys. Can't we have a discussion without the baggage?

@Azzurri - that response to Tirilej was a bit over the top. She contacted the casino rep - which was fine. Having casino reps being part of the discussion is great - but you need to understand, all members have a right to voice their opinions, even casino reps. Take whatever you get with a grain of salt, or just ignore what you don't accept or think is valid, and carry on with the discussion. No need to get obsessive or hyper-defensive.

Let's be mellow people - weekend is coming up and it's beer time.

Bryan, I'm happy to accept anyone's opinion, and I have no problem with Lucas being contacted, as I was well aware all reps notice threads regarding their casinos anyway.

What I do have a problem with are those members who are quick to jump on threads and derail discussions by automatically assuming every thread is about a whining loser who needs to man up and take his tin foil hat off.

Not only is this offensive to a regular player who loses up to $1,000 per week without even a whimper of a complaint, but it is totally off topic and unnecessary.

I can understand there may be some language barriers that exist, but for goodness sake, at least take some time to thoroughly read and understand a thread before automatically assuming it is a negative complaint by a sore loser and the sky is falling. It always seems to be the usual suspects too.

I have no hard feelings against Tirilej, but her reaction was disproportionate, and I automatically knew she misinterpreted the op, which I tried to gently allude to in my first response to her. Her second response was even more ridiculous.

Gagamel is just a looney straight up, and I can guarantee he didn't get past the title. If you can't see the offence in his post, and unwillingness to enter the discussion constructively, then I have to ask what is the point of this forum?

Sorry Bryan, but I've done nothing but try to be a true contributor to the forum since joining. A few complaints, but ultimately trying to address concerns that may affect others, and engage in healthy debate. These people that just continually jump on anyone as an automatic sore loser so they can go and hug a rep, are rendering this forum useless and pointless more and more everyday.

I have a lot of respect for you and many on this site, but if we are only allowed to post winning screenshots, or frolicking happy tales, so as not to upset the lurking monsters in the closet, then I think we all lose, and none of us do your motto justice.

Have a beer and enjoy your weekend. Gagamel just made me have two, and I opened them with my eye lid just to make sure I wasn't dreaming.

I'll be taking an indefinite holiday from posting until I see the point again.

Peace.

 

[gagamel]

Just for your information

Within the last 8 threads you opened 4 of them had these titles:

- Nextcasino and the misleading e mail
-dodgy freespins at Jetbull
- All Slots gone rogue
- Worst few days ever

Last one is the newest.

I wish you all the best.

 

[Azzurri]

I closed my account there because they removed the straight deposit limit monthly which I like as a feature of all sites. When I did play there I found for a small-stake player like myself (and the inimitable Chopley found the same) that the system was very good. To get cashback on turnover as opposed to simply losing was a novel idea, better than the crappy comp points many sites offer, plus the races were good. I liked the place, still do even though I closed my a/c.
Azzuri has correctly spotted that this system doesn't reward the high-rollers in the same proportion as the lo-rollers. He is clearly better off at sites which run the comp point system and chuck chips at big losers.
The thing is that if you check VS's terms this is the way the site works, and due to the relatively generous rewards to MOST players the scope to chuck comps in may be limited.
The fact is that terms and rewards nearly always differ from expectations or assumptions you may just be 'looked after' if you lose. Not every site is Guts or Bet-at or 32red.

hallelujah, praise Jesus!

Thanks for getting it dunover, and I agree.

 

[Azzurri]

Just for your information

Within the last 8 threads you opened 4 of them had these titles:

- Nextcasino and the misleading e mail
-dodgy freespins at Jetbull
- All Slots gone rogue
- Worst few days ever

Last one is the newest.

I wish you all the best.

What's your point?!

Take a hike you stalking scary person.

Bryan, can you try to get through to this looney, and tell them to leave me alone. This is on top of the pm they sent that I didn't appreciate.

Am I the only one that thinks their behavior is creepy and weird? Maybe this is the twilight zone.

 

[Tirilej]

I have no hard feelings against Tirilej, but her reaction was disproportionate, and I automatically knew she misinterpreted the op, which I tried to gently allude to in my first response to her. Her second response was even more ridiculous.

No...you're not worth it!

 

[Azzurri]

No...you're not worth it!

Not only have you both failed to read and understand the op, but clearly you and gagamel have done the same regarding Bryan's post.

Maybe you can both just crash threads and make random irreverent comments containing underlying insults and assumptions from now on. Oh, wait a minute...

 

[gagamel]

What's your point?!

Take a hike you stalking scary person.

Bryan, can you try to get through to this looney, and tell them to leave me alone. This is on top of the pm they sent that I didn't appreciate.

Am I the only one that thinks their behavior is creepy and weird? Maybe this is the twilight zone.

A PM is a PM and I`m not stalking you.

Here is my PM to you:

"Hi Azzuri

what is your intention?

Most of your posts are about your losses and the no compensation.

Why don`t start playing casinos who compensate you more?

This is a serious question and I don`t want more fight with you.

Let us both calm down and stay cool"


As I said, all the best for you

 

[Azzurri]

A PM is a PM and I`m not stalking you.

Here is my PM to you:

"Hi Azzuri

what is your intention?

Most of your posts are about your losses and the no compensation.

Why don`t start playing casinos who compensate you more?

This is a serious question and I don`t want more fight with you.

Let us both calm down and stay cool"


As I said, all the best for you

Dude, you are going to make me have a nervous breakdown. What part of leave me the fuck alone don't you understand?!!!!!

What's next? Japanese water torture?

You're a psycho!

 

[Nate]

Come on guys - Lets have a sensible discussion. It does not matter what the history of a poster is and what he has opened a thread on.

To be fair, the discussion is on a Cash Back offer. I think it's fair to comment on the subject instead of making it personal, or this or that the person is a sore loser. Once that begins, the thread is derailed and it becomes a personal jibe fest.

Sticking to the topic - You either think Video Slots offer Good cash back or they don't. I think threads like this are extremely important as it gives the player an idea of the best value out there. The last thing I want as a player is dropping 10k and being treated like I owe the casino something. Sure, the Casinos are NOT obligated to dish out freebies but why would I deposit at XYZ Casino when I know that Guts or Redbet offer me something decent if I lose.

I do not play at VideoSlots, however I am keen to see the Pros and Cons of the system.

Nate

 

[gagamel]

Thank you Nate, you are totally right.

I forgot that there is an "ignore button".

Wish you all a great weekend:yahoo::yahoo:

 

[dunover]

Come on guys - Lets have a sensible discussion. It does not matter what the history of a poster is and what he has opened a thread on.

To be fair, the discussion is on a Cash Back offer. I think it's fair to comment on the subject instead of making it personal, or this or that the person is a sore loser. Once that begins, the thread is derailed and it becomes a personal jibe fest.

Sticking to the topic - You either think Video Slots offer Good cash back or they don't. I think threads like this are extremely important as it gives the player an idea of the best value out there. The last thing I want as a player is dropping 10k and being treated like I owe the casino something. Sure, the Casinos are NOT obligated to dish out freebies but why would I deposit at XYZ Casino when I know that Guts or Redbet offer me something decent if I lose.

I do not play at VideoSlots, however I am keen to see the Pros and Cons of the system.

Nate

Well, that's the point I made - at the outset these unofficial comp chips are unknown as they aren't, and never can be in the terms of any casino. Their subsequent award after a bad run is purely on spec and the player can't know until they experience this loss scenario. As many reputable sites DO look after players in this circumstance then a player may experience a touch of disappointment if this isn't the case. I know I have, and I have never begged for one as a result, neither has the OP AFAIK. Now we have established that VS don't do this for players, but reward in other ways it has simply added to the knowledge and information the forum members have to date. That's how I see it.
As for the antagonism in this thread, as a native English speaker I can see it's mostly down to translation, certain persons focussing on certain words and not on the whole context.

 

[gagamel]

Well
we have a lot of different countries here. Some members speak english very well and some don`t.
But that is not the question here. The OP made a lot of threads here, always complaining about his bad luck and every casino is against him.

As I stated, if you want a cashback, play exclusively to one casino for a longer time. And then ask for a good cashback or bonus.

 

[incrediblestuff]

I also cannot believe how easily you this escalated into a bit of drama, i am inclined to say that there is a unhealthy portion of overreacting going on which have nothing to do with the intended topic, i do think there is a bit of a critical tone in a lot of the OP's posts, (nothing wrong with being critical in itself) and that, i know, is certainly not to everyone's taste, but as long as there is no obvious or hidden agenda involved i myself am not too caring about it.

What i would say on topic, is that you did not really make it clear that you wanted to weigh the pro's and con's of the average cashback setup vs. the average comp system.

Disregarding comps for a bit, which definitely is also very important in choosing where to play. but focussing on the difference in regular cashback vs VS's system,

Video slots system, is certainly not standard, and if i were to say if it is much less interesting then a conventional cashback deal, i would have to know the percentage of said deal, if you get a fix 10% i could imagine most would rather have the VS system, however if it were 25% or more, the amount of deposits, or total sum you play on average would factor in, if you'd get a fix 40% or more, i would guess most average depositors would take that in a heartbeat.

The point with a system that is depending on the casino's profit, you would need to start hoping for a lot of losers

If you are just a recreational player, this could be a nice surprise once in while, if the casino had a great month and you got good playtime on your deposits, you might be in for a treat; with that thought it more of "true gamblers system" as you'll never know what you will get applying to both the amount of cashback and total playtime, although you can certainly get a good idea about it if you have played there in a consequent manner over a longer stretch of time.

Overrated? bit of a silly word in a neutral weighing, i have no clue what the polls would say. It is fun, and innovative i.m.o, but its obviously not for all.

With comps, it's naturally so that most players will more loyal to Casinos that give them the most, especially without asking. But there aren't many casinos that have such policies.

If we take as example your 190,- depo, factoring in playtime, choice of slots and the current status of deposits vs. withdrawals on average i would get/expect 25,- on average as comp, assuming i had a bad session, as i never expect comps on a good one (also prone to opinion, but let's not deviate from the point)

Now the factors: if i am way down on the Casino, and was playing "normal variance slots" and didn't get any playtime, my expectation tends to be higher

Anyway, if i have the choice, i mostly go with the cashback system with the 25% or more (provided playing with a bonus does count towards the percentage)

Then i also must factor in the possibility of a comppoint system: if a site has that, and i can play there with 10% cashback on a bonus, whilst generating commppoints with the whole funds, i also would not choose for anything else.

If you already closed your account it's not useful to dwell on the pro's of the system, you would have better asked the question to see where you would get a system which is better suited to your taste.

 

[whodatrec]

I closed my account there aswell, might be good for someone but for me i kept on losing for nearly 20 deposites and decided to close. Because out of experience when this happens i usually never win at that site. Regarding comps, i actually have gotten the most bonus offers,comps and cashback offers on sites where i have won BIG. They prolly want to entice me to play it all back..

But yeah, stick with one or two sites and play there regularly and u will get alot of offers usually if its a good casino.

 

[Azzurri]

Well
we have a lot of different countries here. Some members speak english very well and some don`t.
But that is not the question here. The OP made a lot of threads here, always complaining about his bad luck and every casino is against him.

As I stated, if you want a cashback, play exclusively to one casino for a longer time. And then ask for a good cashback or bonus.

Some of you are saying I'm overreacting, yet this Muppet continues to try to discredit me. Nothing he says makes sense or is true. To say I think every casino is against me is ludicrous, and he is obviously trying to turn this into a personal attack.

I lose hundreds, sometimes thousands per week at Guts, Leo Vegas, Bgo and Betat, yet I don't come on here complaining about them do I? Quite the opposite, and if gagamel had taken the time to read my posts in his stalking research mission, he would have noticed I have been full of praise for these sites, and have regularly given praise within their various threads.

I've even given VS and Lucas much praise within this forum.

Of course there may be a slight critical undertone to my op, as I have made it clear I am pro comps in regards to the debate I've tried to ignite. At no time have I complained as a whining loser as gagamel continues to suggest. I mentioned losing for the purpose of the debate, as the debate is regarding compensation offers for losing players.

Once again, VS is the example, as they are the casino I have had the direct experience with.

Many players have been confused and have not totally understood how the system works, and this was evident in the BOF thread, where many players incorrectly assumed they receive 25% of their loses back. I was one of these players originally, hence I thought this thread and debate would be good to clarify things for all players, and weigh up the pros and cons of it versus the traditional handing out of comps by some other sites.

Yes my op focuses on the cons of VS's cash back offer, as my experiences leaves me of the opinion that comps are a more suited system for me. The point of the debate is to then hand the opportunity to other members to then agree, or disagree by highlighting what they consider the pros of the offer versus the cons of comps.

Gagamel has decided to turn it into something completely different, and as many members such as Nate, dunover and osulle have grasped the point of the thread, and given constructive views, I can only suggest that the topic is above gagamel's IQ level, as after many attempts to clarify the point of the thread, he continues to try to discredit me as a whining loser.

I have no hidden agenda here, and as I mentioned, despite yet another irrelevant comment from gagamel above, I have made my decision and have decided to stick with the sites who offer me regular comps rather than VS's cash back offer. My point is I have discovered personally that VS's offer isn't as good as it sounds compared with other deals available.

Does that make it a bad deal? No. But I have a right to express my views, and clarify my decision and original confusion regarding the offer, that may in turn have been a point of confusion for other players. Hence debate the issue and share one's personal preference.

Gagamel, your continued attempts to stray from the subject matter, and instead try to attack and discredit me, leads me to believe you have some hidden agenda. I probably lose more per week than you make in a month, so your comments have no bearing or substance. I have no idea why, but if you have tried to make an enemy of me, you have duly succeeded. Ending personal attacks with 'good luck to you' or 'stay cool' doesn't make them any less hurtful or change your comments intent.

I am a well educated man, who is self made from a tough up bringing. Hope to God you don't put a word wrong on this forum from this point on, because I'll be watching you, and keeping tabs on your comments. If words are your weapon of choice, I can be as easily destructive and vindictive. Congratulations on succeeding in your mission, and as a cynical narcissist once said:

"Good luck to you".

Thanks to the educated majority who contributed constructively to the debate.

 

[maxd]

... this Muppet continues to try to discredit me.

Please re-read the Posting Rules paying particular attention to the following:

1.1 - No "Flaming": Please do not post any messages that harass, insult, belittle, threaten or flame another member or guest. Abusive behavior will not be tolerated and your account may be suspended. Please refrain from potty mouth language. Under certain circumstances (extremely aggressive insulting or trollish language), the administration reserves the right to publish your email address and IP address if your account is banned for violation of this rule.

If someone's posts wind you up then don't read them. If you simply can't bear them any longer then use the "Ignore" feature and their posts won't even appear for you.

What you are not free to do is insult and belittle them. That kind of BS drags the tone of the whole forum into the gutter and simply isn't acceptable. Please show your fellow forums more respect, even if that means simply ignoring them.

Thank you for your immediate cooperation.

 

[Azzurri]

You're directing that at me?

 

[maxd]

You're directing that at me?

Yes, as indicated by the fact that I quoted you at the beginning of my post. Your repeated insults and disparaging comments toward gagamel, or any other forum member for that matter, are not acceptable. Full stop. This is not open to debate: chill out or take it elsewhere.

If you feel something another forum member is doing is not acceptable then use the Report Post feature at the bottom of every forum post (excluding your own):

The moderators and Admin receive those Reports directly and we take them very seriously. Leave it to us to moderate the forums, SVP.

DON'T take the issue into you own hands by trying to "correct" the offending person with insults and belittlement, ESPECIALLY not here on the forums. That accomplishes nothing and just ends up turning the forum into a cesspit. Please don't.

 

[Azzurri]

That's fine, I can accept that. However, seeing as my comments were in self defense of gagamel's original insults, and proceeding harassment, I can safely assume that you have given the same attention and advice to gagamel. Especially considering I have never had to act in this manner, yet he has a history of doing this to offer members before. Point taken, and it won't happen again, yet I expect fair treatment from other members and administration, as this is what is preached here.

The fact gagamel has been a member longer than I, shouldn't give him a free pass to say I am less of a man, a whinging loser, or someone who wears a tin foil hat, who thinks all casinos are against him and only posts about wanting compensation or whinging about losing. All untrue, and proof he didn't even read any of the threads and was only interested in attempting to harass and discredit me.

This is ok, yet I am the one spoken to for reacting, even after gagamel ignored Bryan's advice and continued to harass me.

 

[maxd]

... seeing as my comments were in self defense of gagamel's original insults, and proceeding harassment, I can safely assume that you have given the same attention and advice to gagamel.

Frankly that is not your concern and you are missing the point. First of all the immediate issue here is that your behaviour has been unacceptable. Several people have Reported your abusive posts and they were right to do so: you've repeatedly crossed the line of acceptable forum conduct towards other forum members and that needs to stop. Now you know, and have other options to deal with these things, so we should be able to move forward on this.

Secondly: it doesn't matter whether you ignored the Posting Rules in self defence or not. The point is that we have a certain expectation of how forums members should conduct themselves, the Posting Rules lay those expectations out in black and white, and all forum members are expected to conduct themselves accordingly. You have not been doing so. That is a problem. Your continued membership here requires that you do comply. I think that part is very clear.

If someone attacks you on the forums either (a) ignore it, (b) respond within the bounds of the Posting Rules -- in other words in a civil manner and without resorting to insults and name-calling -- or (c) Report their post. "Attack first and respect the Rules later" is not an option and you may take this as your last warning on that regard.

I'll look into your accusations against gagamel but you need to understand that gagamel is not the one your fellow forum members have felt it necessary to Report. As far as we're concerned your activity is the immediate issue here, not gagamel's.

 

[Azzurri]

Very interesting.

Consider me officially moving on. I will return to being an avid reader, and will no longer be posting. I wasn't aware my posts offend so many people, although I did assume some would consider them controversial or thought provoking as they often didn't centre on hugging a rep, or posting a screen shot.

Sorry to the many I've apparently offended in my time here, and good luck to all in your endeavors. Hopefully some thought provoking threads will pop up from time to time, so I'll keep an eye out.

I'll leave you with some thoughts:

The only thing more dangerous than an idea, is a belief.

The monuments of wit survive the monuments of power.

Goodbye and good luck to all.

Thanks for your time max.

 

[The Dude]

@ Azzurri

One of the problems is that you keep resorting to name-calling. That is unacceptable. If people in the forum are calling you names, please report the post - don't do a tit-for-tat flame post. It will only draw attention to your retaliation.

If you feel bullied, the best way to deal with it is to ignore the bully - then notify the administration that you are having an issue. So far, it's been like a school-yard. As Max has mentioned, that is not the way we do things here.

 

[Azzurri]

Bryan,

I can appreciate I may have gotten carried away in the heat of the moment, and I can apologise if anyone found my language offensive. I will not be apologising to gagamel.

This is a thread I created, and a topic I raised so as to invite other members to share their thoughts on the debate raised.

Seeing as I'm clearly the bad guy here, I ask you, what was gagamel's contribution to the discussion and topic? What was his intentions? When it was made clear to him that I didn't appreciate his comments, why did he continue to harass me in my thread, when he clearly had nothing to add to the discussion, and could have chosen not to even look at my thread any further? Why did he ignore your post? Why did he pm me after your post asking me why I only post to whine about losing or comps?

I'd suggest you've caught the red herring here, and both you and I have been hoodwinked by a manipulative trouble maker with a history of doing so.

I can appreciate your rules, and apologise for breaking them. Unless personally addressed I will no longer be posting, but know that I don't feel my treatment has been fair. If I am to blame here, then you have basically just sent a message, that even if you have nothing constructive to add to a discussion, it is perfectly acceptable for anyone to derail a thread for the sole purpose of labeling someone.

Considering it is very clear that gagamel didn't read any of the threads he so cleverly tried to label and use as an insult against me, I'd suggest rewarding this behavior will only result in the dumbing down of many threads, and the progressive diminishment of any useful or helpful topics and discussions.


Since joining I have made more than one casino be accountable for their actions, and would like to think I have helped other members in the process. What has gagamel's contribution been besides labeling other members whinging losers, or sucking up to reps? I ask you to review both histories and see for yourself.

Sorry again for breaking your rules, but hopefully you can look at the points I've made logically. Either way, I won't be posting any further. Please pm me if you wish to speak in the future. Thanks.

 

[Tirilej]

Edit: Obviously there was no need to write what I did at first so post removed

 

[spintee]

wow lol back to the op

I agree that there cash back is hit and miss, Im a small roller and do not stand a chance, Ive had a few quid here and there but it seems that this offer is really for high depositers, It would be great if it was 25% back and not 25% of there profits, What if 1 week you put 10 grand in but a few people had some decent hits and casino was down? You get jack all back,

As with asking for abit of compo than why not, I personally do not ask but whats the saying, If you do not ask you do not get, Also would not hurt to put a few quid in some 1s account to keep them happy,