vip cashback still no playtime

[5250phil]

ive deposited a fair amount lately at lockcasino and had not one decent win or any decent playtime the money was just eaten by the casino

i always thought that due to this i must be due a decnt win due to law of averages lol

now on saturday i realised due to being a vip i possably was due some cashback on my deposits so asked live help and was given $950 thank you lockcasino i thought

now my question is this do any members feel the same as me that due to it being basically a freebie of kinds the software picks up on this and doesnt play aswell as with deposited cash

i never take a bonus as i wouldnt make the wr but others do so maybe the software picks up on bonuses and plays better

i played about 6 games of different slots all doing the same (eat eat eat) and guess what now ive played it all off

surely im not that unlucky

just a thought i wondered if anyone had similar experiances

 

[jelsmith]

ive deposited a fair amount lately at lockcasino and had not one decent win or any decent playtime the money was just eaten by the casino

i always thought that due to this i must be due a decnt win due to law of averages lol

now on saturday i realised due to being a vip i possably was due some cashback on my deposits so asked live help and was given $950 thank you lockcasino i thought

now my question is this do any members feel the same as me that due to it being basically a freebie of kinds the software picks up on this and doesnt play aswell as with deposited cash

i never take a bonus as i wouldnt make the wr but others do so maybe the software picks up on bonuses and plays better

i played about 6 games of different slots all doing the same (eat eat eat) and guess what now ive played it all off

surely im not that unlucky

just a thought i wondered if anyone had similar experiances

I have as a matter of fact i closed my account for about a month....reopened made 1 dep to see if things had changed....and they havent so no more of my $$$$ is going there.

 

[aceking123]

vip cashback still no playtime

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ive deposited a fair amount lately at lockcasino and had not one decent win or any decent playtime the money was just eaten by the casino

i always thought that due to this i must be due a decnt win due to law of averages lol

now on saturday i realised due to being a vip i possably was due some cashback on my deposits so asked live help and was given $950 thank you lockcasino i thought

now my question is this do any members feel the same as me that due to it being basically a freebie of kinds the software picks up on this and doesnt play aswell as with deposited cash

i never take a bonus as i wouldnt make the wr but others do so maybe the software picks up on bonuses and plays better

i played about 6 games of different slots all doing the same (eat eat eat) and guess what now ive played it all off

surely im not that unlucky

just a thought i wondered if anyone had similar experiances
hi phil, to be honest there pretty good going by my play there , although i did have some problems with the vip bit a while ago & so did jelsmith if i recall correct , regards payouts i went through my first load of deposits like water never hit a thing , then went onto to taking some bonuses & made wagering more than a few times & cashed out ,not been playing that much there realy but did have another cashout a few weeks ago, i tend to mix & max regards depositing & taking bonuses because sometimes i like to hit roulette so i cannot play with bonuses on that , i dont seem to find any difference in play though wether with bonus or without, bonus does help you cut down your spending there , though if you have these max cashout rules on the bonuses your clearly better not taking those ,it seems you go through spells there , well i do anyway , but if i was to put them agaisnt clubworld , inbet , they would win hands down in everyway, not been lucky at either of those & going by my play logs it seems a one way street concerning the card play ( blackjack) but stick with them hope you get that run of wins

 

[slotjunkie]

vip cashback still no playtime

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ive deposited a fair amount lately at lockcasino and had not one decent win or any decent playtime the money was just eaten by the casino

i always thought that due to this i must be due a decnt win due to law of averages lol

now on saturday i realised due to being a vip i possably was due some cashback on my deposits so asked live help and was given $950 thank you lockcasino i thought

now my question is this do any members feel the same as me that due to it being basically a freebie of kinds the software picks up on this and doesnt play aswell as with deposited cash

i never take a bonus as i wouldnt make the wr but others do so maybe the software picks up on bonuses and plays better

i played about 6 games of different slots all doing the same (eat eat eat) and guess what now ive played it all off

surely im not that unlucky

just a thought i wondered if anyone had similar experiances
hi phil, to be honest there pretty good going by my play there , although i did have some problems with the vip bit a while ago & so did jelsmith if i recall correct , regards payouts i went through my first load of deposits like water never hit a thing , then went onto to taking some bonuses & made wagering more than a few times & cashed out ,not been playing that much there realy but did have another cashout a few weeks ago, i tend to mix & max regards depositing & taking bonuses because sometimes i like to hit roulette so i cannot play with bonuses on that , i dont seem to find any difference in play though wether with bonus or without, bonus does help you cut down your spending there , though if you have these max cashout rules on the bonuses your clearly better not taking those ,it seems you go through spells there , well i do anyway , but if i was to put them agaisnt clubworld , inbet , they would win hands down in everyway, not been lucky at either of those & going by my play logs it seems a one way street concerning the card play ( blackjack) but stick with them hope you get that run of wins

Yep, DRY SPELLS! I have made several deposits here w/ & w/o bonus and had a couple of free chips and it is always the same...absolutely nothing! Very small win lines, no bonus rounds and down to "0"! They got uninstalled a while back!

 

[eu_lowroller]

oh, i see that nothing have changed on this casino *lol*

good that i've also closed my account some months ago because of the very same thing, which happened to me on every single deposit!

i've played really in very much RTG casinos and never experienced so much losing deposits in a row without having any playtime or at least a feeling that you could win something and you can never come about your starting balance, because your balance drop down very fast to zero!

 

[aceking123]

hi another point is i used to play at inetbet $1800 in deposits = 0 cashouts , in clubworld well im over 10 k in deposits all over all there casinos & ive realy not had what i call a good cashout of anything over 600 uk pounds or 600 dollars , yet the same software but i just get ripped every time i play there , ive just had logs back from clubworld pound blackjack & to me it sucks , somewhat only 1600 hands , which i know isnt big but you should get a little better play results are 800 losing hands 100 pushes 600 losing give or take a few hands , interesting bit was bets of minium 10 pounds plus upto 75 pounds, worked out 98 hands = 36 wins the rest losses (62) & there was more to that countless times of grouped losses of 10, 20, 50, 75 pound bets on no less than 8 different times of play , which is to where i do ask questions of software seems , it never happens the opposite way round where i bet 10 win 10 then bet 20 & win 20 etc etc

 

[TonyT]

I have backed away from this place a bit as well.

When i first started out here i had some very nice wins, about 5 over $600 and each time was paid in under 5 hours.

It seems like i am not the only one getting NO playtime for my money over the past month. Seems like ever since i became a VIP the playtime has gone out the window.

Why is it that the reputable RTG sites seems be be so very very tight?

 

[Cant_Get_Right]

I have backed away from this place a bit as well.

When i first started out here i had some very nice wins, about 5 over $600 and each time was paid in under 5 hours.

It seems like i am not the only one getting NO playtime for my money over the past month. Seems like ever since i became a VIP the playtime has gone out the window.

Why is it that the reputable RTG sites seems be be so very very tight?

My girl friend went into a local gas station, last month. In the back on the store; they have fruit machines (slots). This was her first time ever playing fruit machines. She deposited $20 and won like $400. She calls me on the phone all excited. The next day she went back. I told her she was starting a bad habit. Her talking, "Leave me alone I got this!" She won $50 dollars. Fast forwarding to this morning. She was in her dresser draw looking for whatever change she had to buy Wendy's. LOL! Good thing we don't live together.

 

[TonyT]

Okay like the gambling fool that i am i decided to give lock another try last night to see if things changed at all.

It has been at least a month and a half and over 2K in deposits with no playtime or fun at all.

I deposited $100 with no bonus and played at .75 a spin and never changed. I would say my $100 MIGHT have lasted no longer then 20 minutes tops, and i also got the 25% cashback for not using a bonus and that lasted less then 10 minutes, so this place has not changed a bit so it was uninstall button here i come.

What good is great CS and fast payouts if you cant even get any playtime.

I will stick with inetbet and Lucky Red.

 

[The Dude]

Okay like the gambling fool that i am i decided to give lock another try last night to see if things changed at all...

Should I publish the threatening email you've sent to Lock Casino's support - or do you want to do it yourself here?

 

[takethemoney]

Should I publish the threatening email you've sent to Lock Casino's support - or do you want to do it yourself here?

So now the casinos come and tattle to CM when they get a not so nice email?

BTW, I have been so disgruntled with RTG software lately that I have not played them for a couple months now, until yesterday. I have been playing at Lock on the same $52 deposit since yesterday afternoon. I received a bonus and am half way thru the WR. I too decided to try them again, but if I go bust I will not complain because I got a hell of a lot of play this time.

 

[TonyT]

I dont think it would be good to put in an open forum what i said to them.

I never brought up CM in the email so i wonder why they would go and run there mouth about a personal email.

I did go off like a mad man but it was how i was feeling about there tight casino.

 

[The Dude]

So now the casinos come and tattle to CM when they get a not so nice email?

No - it's an alarming email. In fact it's pretty sick.

I dont think it would be good to put in an open forum what i said to them.

I never brought up CM in the email so i wonder why they would go and run there mouth about a personal email.

I did go off like a mad man but it was how i was feeling about there tight casino.

Perhaps it's because they are members of this forum just like you. If you are telling their support rep to stick her casino up her CUNT and for the manager guy to go suck your dick, well - you obviously have some major behavioral problems and you've pretty much jeopardized your membership in our forum.

 

[vinylweatherman]

So now the casinos come and tattle to CM when they get a not so nice email?

BTW, I have been so disgruntled with RTG software lately that I have not played them for a couple months now, until yesterday. I have been playing at Lock on the same $52 deposit since yesterday afternoon. I received a bonus and am half way thru the WR. I too decided to try them again, but if I go bust I will not complain because I got a hell of a lot of play this time.

Why should ACCREDITED casinos not be allowed their own version of "PAB" when faced with a "rogue" player? The rep did NOT lambast TonyT in public, but dropped a line to CM.

CM then decided that the complaint was substantive enough to mention it here, but NOT to publish the email itself.

I dont think it would be good to put in an open forum what i said to them.

I never brought up CM in the email so i wonder why they would go and run there mouth about a personal email.

I did go off like a mad man but it was how i was feeling about there tight casino.

Casino reps can sometimes figure out who their players are on this forum. This could be as easy as you TELLING them at some stage in the past, or even joining through a CM link. It might even be via username, and then CM finding a match in email addresses between casino and forum membership information.

The casino may have thought the email extended to "blackmail", which is something they WILL share with CM, since it can be an important consideration in getting to the bottom of a complaint.

PAB-ers usually find that attempts to blackmail a casino gets their PAB automatically ditched, and often themselves banned from the forum. It has happened a couple of times that I have noticed in the last year or so.

 

[takethemoney]

No - it's an alarming email. In fact it's pretty sick.



Perhaps it's because they are members of this forum just like you. If you are telling their support rep to stick her casino up her CUNT and for the manager guy to go suck your dick, well - you obviously have some major behavioral problems and you've pretty much jeopardized your membership in our forum.

Ok, boss. I completely understand now. Nobody should ever talk to anyone like that and it's certainly not the way to get good results.

 

[Brooklyn]

No - it's an alarming email. In fact it's pretty sick.



Perhaps it's because they are members of this forum just like you. If you are telling their support rep to stick her casino up her CUNT and for the manager guy to go suck your dick, well - you obviously have some major behavioral problems and you've pretty much jeopardized your membership in our forum.

Oh my! That is a bit ridiculous, I must say.

 

[De Beuker]

No - it's an alarming email. In fact it's pretty sick.



Perhaps it's because they are members of this forum just like you. If you are telling their support rep to stick her casino up her CUNT and for the manager guy to go suck your dick, well - you obviously have some major behavioral problems and you've pretty much jeopardized your membership in our forum.

If you start firing off emails like that you should really concider to quit online gambling, period!
Talk like that to a pitboss in a B&M casino..you'll find yourself laying outside on the pavement in seconds.

 

[Cant_Get_Right]

No - it's an alarming email. In fact it's pretty sick.



Perhaps it's because they are members of this forum just like you. If you are telling their support rep to stick her casino up her CUNT and for the manager guy to go suck your dick, well - you obviously have some major behavioral problems and you've pretty much jeopardized your membership in our forum.

I don't see what the big deal is. You allowed a member here to refer to another person as a Nigger. And when one Mod suspends him. You turn around and lift it. Then the member in turn says he see nothing wrong with using the N word.

 

[TonyT]

Well i was gonna shut my mouth and just let this go under the rug.

I don't give a flying fuck if i get banned from a GAMBLING FORUM, some of the people around here think that people come here cuz this site has the cure to cancer or something along those lines.

I never once disrespected CM or post anything on the forum about lock other then my "personal" gambling experience with them, which was pretty much along the same line as what everyone else was saying about them.

Damn, its just online gambling not the REAL world.

 

[takethemoney]

Well i was gonna shut my mouth and just let this go under the rug.

I don't give a flying fuck if i get banned from a GAMBLING FORUM, some of the people around here think that people come here cuz this site has the cure to cancer or something along those lines.

I never once disrespected CM or post anything on the forum about lock other then my "personal" gambling experience with them, which was pretty much along the same line as what everyone else was saying about them.

Damn, its just online gambling not the REAL world.

You will.....you're a real piece of work.
T'was nice knowing you.

 

[oldtrvlagt]

Well i was gonna shut my mouth and just let this go under the rug.

I don't give a flying fuck if i get banned from a GAMBLING FORUM, some of the people around here think that people come here cuz this site has the cure to cancer or something along those lines.

I never once disrespected CM or post anything on the forum about lock other then my "personal" gambling experience with them, which was pretty much along the same line as what everyone else was saying about them.

Damn, its just online gambling not the REAL world.

See, that's where you are wrong....Online gaming and all the forums are their "own world" and very real. If you belittle one customer service person then how many more? Everytime you are pissed off because you lost? Take the suggestion and find something else to do....those words should never have been spoken let alone even thought. You are VERY lucky you didn't do that in a few casinos in Vegas (or any other B & M).

 

[AussieDave]

Hi TonyT (all),

Although I don't not condone the manner nor language you used in your email to the casino, it's clear at the time (email sent) and with your last post your extremely angry.

From your 1'st post your not happy with the game play you've received from LockCasino. I also hear your frustration. And note your a VIP.

It would seem the catalyst of anger, is rooted, in your receiving less than what you expect as fair game play.

I would like it noted we're all aware (or should be) that RTG casinos can alter; adjust; change the RTP of their slots.

Hence in this instance I see two distinct possibilities:

• TonyT was having a bad run at the casino.
• The slots TonyT was playing had their RTP changed to the lowest % setting.

Being a VIP myself at a number of casinos dating back many years, my average monthly deposits can exceed what most peeps drop in a year.

And although money (amounts) is generally considered relative to each person, there is no denying (in my case) if I experience an extended run of misfortune at XYZ casino, I'm non too happy either.

Reiterating I think you could have a should have handled this email situation better. However that's all in hindsight now!

For argument sake and hypothetically speaking, if LockCasino had tweaked the RTP of the slots and you had a feeling you were not receiving the quality of game play you were used to, why did you continued to deposit and play at the casino?

Why didn't you try another casino?

This is one of the mysteries I have a hard time getting my head around.

It seems very indicative of behaviour from other players here at CM.

EG - There has been a lot of chatter in the last 9 months or more about White label Rivals and their sub-standard generic customer support.

These include hoop jumping withdrawals; less than fair game play and other casino player issues.

However the same people return and deposit again and again, returning to the CM forum to complain again and again.

Reiterating the object of my question to TonyT, why not try another casino?

IMHO no matter what your belief is, whether it's justified or not, your thoughts; feelings and opinions are owned by you.

In the matter of online gambling...
No one other than yourself, can make an intangible based decision, other than you.

Hence making a choice whether you continue to play at XYZ casino or move to another casino, is ultimately your choice and decision.

However continuing to play at XYZ casino whilst holding the opinion; feelings; thoughts that your getting shafted but playing the blame game on others for your choice and decision, imo is not cool.


Cheers



Dave

 

[AussieDave]

Damn, its just online gambling not the REAL world.

Unless your a cyborg void of emotions, clearly not the case.

Statements such as yours above really urk me.

Although the WWW is virtual, there are real world people sitting in front of their keyboards and monitors.

I dare say that's why some peeps choose to display actions which are totally over the top and way out of line.

It's the anonymity factor & or lack of possible physical confrontation that gives them this nonchalant courage.

Having had the reason to contact such a person via phone, they were the complete opposite.
In fact when told I maybe in the town, I could clearly hear the distress in their voice.

Therefore I very much doubt the majority of people who act like thugs or attempted to intimidate...ect...ect would act with parallel behaviour to the face/s of people in the REAL world.


Cheers



Dave

 

[jod5413]

No - it's an alarming email. In fact it's pretty sick.

Perhaps it's because they are members of this forum just like you. If you are telling their support rep to stick her casino up her CUNT and for the manager guy to go suck your dick, well - you obviously have some major behavioral problems and you've pretty much jeopardized your membership in our forum.

Amazing, simply amazing. Not. This guy should be tarred and feathered, and "run out of Dodge". No excuse for that harassing and nasty e-mail. It shows a total lack of control, IMO.

The kind of member that will contribute here in a positive manner? Boy, that's a tough one.

 

[takethemoney]

Hi TonyT (all),

Although I don't not condone the manner nor language you used in your email to the casino, it's clear at the time (email sent) and with your last post your extremely angry.

From your 1'st post your not happy with the game play you've received from LockCasino. I also hear your frustration. And note your a VIP.

It would seem the catalyst of anger, is rooted, in your receiving less than what you expect as fair game play.

I would like it noted we're all aware (or should be) that RTG casinos can alter; adjust; change the RTP of their slots.

Hence in this instance I see two distinct possibilities:

• TonyT was having a bad run at the casino.
• The slots TonyT was playing had their RTP changed to the lowest % setting.

Being a VIP myself at a number of casinos dating back many years, my average monthly deposits can exceed what most peeps drop in a year.

And although money (amounts) is generally considered relative to each person, there is no denying (in my case) if I experience an extended run of misfortune at XYZ casino, I'm non too happy either.

Reiterating I think you could have a should have handled this email situation better. However that's all in hindsight now!

For argument sake and hypothetically speaking, if LockCasino had tweaked the RTP of the slots and you had a feeling you were not receiving the quality of game play you were used to, why did you continued to deposit and play at the casino?

Why didn't you try another casino?

This is one of the mysteries I have a hard time getting my head around.

It seems very indicative of behaviour from other players here at CM.

EG - There has been a lot of chatter in the last 9 months or more about White label Rivals and their sub-standard generic customer support.

These include hoop jumping withdrawals; less than fair game play and other casino player issues.

However the same people return and deposit again and again, returning to the CM forum to complain again and again.

Reiterating the object of my question to TonyT, why not try another casino?

IMHO no matter what your belief is, whether it's justified or not, your thoughts; feelings and opinions are owned by you.

In the matter of online gambling...
No one other than yourself, can make an intangible based decision, other than you.

Hence making a choice whether you continue to play at XYZ casino or move to another casino, is ultimately your choice and decision.

However continuing to play at XYZ casino whilst holding the opinion; feelings; thoughts that your getting shafted but playing the blame game on others for your choice and decision, imo is not cool.


Cheers



Dave

Dave, you are an impressive voice of reason. You could almost pass for human!
I enjoy reading your posts.

 

[AussieDave]

Dave, you are an impressive voice of reason. You could almost pass for human!
I enjoy reading your posts.

Thank you takethemoney

I'm sure the wife thinks I'm a robot, wont go into details


Cheers



Dave

 

[RedAndi]

Understand it's a blunt and crude email and all that.

What I am not really getting is why the casino passed it along to CM.
He wasn't PAB'ing or anything was he?
If it was a "omg, check this out" between people who know each other (CM and the Lock rep), then I get it....If not just wondering why Lock would be passing that around.

 

[AussieDave]

What I am not really getting is why the casino passed it along to CM.
He wasn't PAB'ing or anything was he?
If it was a "omg, check this out" between people who know each other (CM and the Lock rep), then I get it....If not just wondering why Lock would be passing that around.

I always maintained a rule never to divulge a PM. Unfortunately I chose to post a series of PM's when the AU fiasco blew up in my face. I can't take that back and in hindsight I shouldn't have let my emotions rule my thinking.

What I'm saying is, I'm in no position to be pointing fingers at anyone.

However it seems that posting emails to public forums is an accepted practice, just as chat transcripts are also. Still...I don't think it was the right thing of LockCasino to send an email to Bryan regardless of the content or divulging the content.

It's a bit like a player posting a chat transcript from a casino. Whilst in that same chat threatening the casino to post the chat to the CM forum...Get it...Now how many CM members have done this and been hauled over the coals because of it? A few I can tell you.

Where is the difference, IMHO there is none.

If it offended the Casino personnel and the casino manager; if it was me, I'd have locked TonyT account and told him he's no longer welcome at the casino.

However did Lock casino do this? I doubt it...
Because I'm sure we would have heard about it by TonyT by now!

Personally it show a lack of professionalism on the part of LockCasino or whoever contacted Bryan with this email information. I just don't see this as being productive or beneficial towards LockCasino.

It could very well be counter productive.
Peeps may start wondering what other information & or data LockCasino is sharing without their knowledge or consent.


Cheers



Dave

 

[maxd]

FWIW, the report from Lock originally came to me. Why? Because this guy was obviously 'on tilt' and Lock knew he was on our forums. It was a courtesy and a heads-up.

If one of our membership sends any of you, or anyone for that matter, hateful and abusive stuff like TT sent Lock I would encourage you to report it as well. Stuff like that is not 'personal', it's an abusive attack plain and simple and should be reported. As far as I'm concerned it's 'community watch' and what good citizens do for one another.

If you disagree feel free to not avail yourself of the opportunity but I do not and will not apologize for raising a flag on this: it was not only the right thing to do but it was the smart thing to do given that TT was asking to be given an official role here at Casinomeister.

 

[AussieDave]

Hi Max,(All),

Reiterating I don't approve nor condone the email TonyT sent to LockCasino.

However that's a moot point in relationship to personal information being shared & disclosed without knowledge, consent or approval from TonyT the LockCasino customer.

As I see it there are a number of issues that have been bunched together to justify the actions of LockCasino, its Rep and posting this information to the CM forum, for the world to see.

Attempts to condone these actions are identical to saying Two Wrongs make a Right. When the saying goes...Two Wrongs Don't make a Right...

Issue #1 - abusive email to LockCasino
What a customer chooses to send to a casino is between the customer and the casino.

Unless TonyT signed up accepting his information being transferred and or shared between the two entities (CM & Lock) or (submitted a PAB) or gave permission to Lock to pass this information on to the CM forum, Lock casino was obligated by it's own click wrap agreement between the parties of TonyT and LockCasino to keep any and all user data and information private.

Issue #2 - Posting of TonyT's email content
Like it or lump it, TonyT's privacy has been seriously undermined. Both by Lock Casino and the CM Forum.

Issue #3 - TonyT LockCasino account termination
Did Lock close TonyT's account before reporting this incident?
If they didn't, why not?

If LockCasino found the email offensive they could lodged a formal complaint with TonyT's ISP. That would be the correct protocol.

However disclosing this information to Max, this info being added to a post, seems nothing more than a childish payback from LockCasino to TonyT by way of using the CM forum; Max and Bryan.

With the double standards taking place here on a daily basis, the quasi justification for actions by staff for deleting posts; locking threads and other actions that seem to have filtered into the CM forum of late; armed with a do as we say not as we do mentality, I'm not surprised in the least that CM members are short fused; angry; upset and fighting between each other.

In Closing
The CM awarded casino of the Decade is admired and respected for its sartorial online casino management and day to day operations.

Not in my wildest dreams could I imagine Pat or Ed disclosing such information about one of their players (regardless of any factor or player action/s) to the CM forum, much less any other web site. Without prior consent from the player.

Further more being OK with this information being posted to a public forum

IMHO LockCasino and the people involved here at CM that made this information available owe Tony an apology for breaching his personal data and information.

I would hope this thread is not locked; I'm not given a ban or TonyT's membership at CM is not canceled.

However given the current status qou here at the CM Forum, it seems anything is possible...


Cheers



Dave

 

[maxd]

Sorry you see things that way -- on several counts -- but abusive hate mail is not just regular communications and shouldn't be treated as if it is. If players, and casinos, don't want to be caught out for crappy behaviour then don't behave crappily. Like I said, it's a community watch situation IMHO and I support it. You think differently ...

This idea that it's all very proper and there are clearly delineated lines of protocol and so forth is basically pipe dreams: we share info back and forth because overall it helps us do our jobs better and protect our interests. In this case, as in most such cases, no personal data was shared and I see no violation of Lock's privacy agreement. When the industry is properly and formally regulated feel free to vote for legislation that says what we should and should not discuss. Until then we do the best we can do and there you go.

Frankly I think there's a whiff of hypocrisy in your protests given that if the situation was reversed, if a casino person was sending such emails to a player, I reckon there wouldn't be a micro-pause in the applause for outing the offending person, regardless of "private communications" and suchlike. I think most of us could probably dig up cases where this has in fact happened. I know I've dealt with such cases here. And then it's all "yes, quite right, very brave of you" and all that, regardless of when or where the offending actions took place. For you to start trotting out chapter and verse here is ... what can I say? Bang a gong I guess: I think you're making a point for the sake of having a point to make. The reality and substance of your stand look pretty darn flimsy to me. Again, differing opinions it would seem.

As to bannings and so forth I'd say the TT issue is evolving. What his despicable behaviour on and off the forums has got to do with you, and others here, and so forth is a puzzle to me but there you go I guess, to each his own.

That said, for you to start making statements like "given the current status here ... anything is possible" and so forth ... wow, that's a low blow. We've always given you the greatest respect as far as I've seen, I know I have. What we've done to inspire statements like that from someone like you ... boggles the mind really. Very disappointed to see that, very disappointed indeed.

 

[AussieDave]

Although our opinions are clearly divergent on what privacy issue pertain to, and are represented by the casino and for the player, legally your argument is grossly flawed.

And before sprouting semantics; attempting to derail; dilute or discredit either TonyT or anyone who also believes in my opinion...

LockCasino like all other casino's maintains and accepts that every player agrees to their Terms & Conditions; Bonus Rules/Conditions; Privacy Statement...ect...ect

The CM forum is filled with threads that use these exact agreements between the player and the casino to establish disputes. For, against or neutral outcomes.

Therefore when the CM forum; its owner; Mods and casino/s use the aforementioned agreements (between player and casino), ALL contracts/agreements, including the casino privacy statement should not only be honoured but should also be defended with the same gusto.

Edit: I sure hope LockCasino; currently in the Baptism by Fire section, was not trying to award itself brownie points. Or received preferential treatment on the basis of their current position held at CM.



Cheers



Dave

 

[maxd]

And before sprouting semantics; attempting to derail; dilute or discredit either TonyT or anyone who also believes in my opinion...

Since when did we become the enemy? Jeez Louise Dave, who shit in your cornflakes?

(what's the emoticon for 'gob-smacked'?)

 

[AussieDave]

Since when did we become the enemy?

I'm perplexed as to why you'd think standing up for what's right and just, makes me the enemy


Cheers



Dave

 

[maxd]

What's with the semantic games?

You said: "And before sprouting semantics; attempting to derail; dilute or discredit either TonyT or anyone who also believes in my opinion..."

To me that would be the action of someone who is hostile to you, or whomever. Hence it makes sense for me to ask why you would think we are now that enemy.

And your reply is "standing up for what's right and just, makes me the enemy"? WTF has one got to do with the other? Where did I say you were "the enemy"? Have we said or done something that particularly offended you or is this just a general thing? Hell, am I the one that ruined your cornflakes? I honestly have no clue where this is coming from.

Either we've got a major league misunderstanding going here or ... what? You've decided that we're Public Enemy #1 or something? Seriously, it sounds like you are trying (really hard) to create a misunderstanding or spat. I can't imagine why you would want to do that.

I seriously do not get where you're coming from on this, aside from why you might think that outting an abusive whack-job suddenly represents the biggest civil rights abuse case on the forums.

Did you find some new friends recently Dave? Cause it sure sounds like someone is stoking your fire for you.

And to address an earlier question re: "preferential treatment" for Lock. Like I've clearly and plainly said, anyone who receives abusive crap like that is welcome to bring it forward. Players have done it and now, for a change, a casino has done it. Where's the "preferential treatment"?

Again, I think I must have missed something because as far as I know the casino in question has gained nothing from this. Actually the reverse is probably true in that this casino, and others that might be tempted to report such unconscionable behaviour, are now seriously wondering whether it's worth the hassle and headache given the outrage it apparently provokes in some of the membership. I seriously doubt whether that is a step forward.

 

[The Dude]

Just to nip this in the bud, it was my decision to call the player out on his abusive email. It has nothing to do with Lock Casino, Max, or anything else.

The casino reps wanted to give us a heads up that TonyT had sent their customer service rep a threatening and abusive email. Since the player is starting to post about not liking the casino in public, I decided to call the player out on this. Simple as that.

Would you feel any different if this was a player member who received an abusive email from one of the casino reps here? I think people would be screaming to the hills about that.

Everyone has every right to call people out on this - that's my opinion.

And we are talking about memberships here. Everyone participating in this forum is a member, and we expect our members to treat one another with a certain level of civility. This maybe really foreign to some people, but whenever you are dealing with human beings - you are dealing with the real world.

If you are bothered that a casino rep shared with us an email from one of their players, well I'm sorry that this troubles you. But I think the severity of the abuse overrides any email privacy privileges.

 

[AussieDave]

I think the severity of the abuse overrides any email privacy privileges.

Interesting concept.

Not sure how that argument would sit directly against the original Privacy Terms agreed to by the OP and Lock Casino though.

Seeing we're at this ethical cross roads...I take it you'd also agree that (given similar circumstances) the same goes for private PM's too?

Of course if you don't agree, I'd be interested to know why?


Cheers



Dave

 

[dcpam39]

Would you feel any different if this was a player member who received an abusive email from one of the casino reps here? I think people would be screaming to the hills about that.

You are absolutely correct, however, the difference is that the player member would have posted the offensive email. In this instance Lock sent the email to you, instead of posting it themselves in response to Tony's comments.


Pam

 

[Cant_Get_Right]

Just to nip this in the bud, it was my decision to call the player out on his abusive email. It has nothing to do with Lock Casino, Max, or anything else.

The casino reps wanted to give us a heads up that TonyT had sent their customer service rep a threatening and abusive email. Since the player is starting to post about not liking the casino in public, I decided to call the player out on this. Simple as that.

Would you feel any different if this was a player member who received an abusive email from one of the casino reps here? I think people would be screaming to the hills about that.

Everyone has every right to call people out on this - that's my opinion.

And we are talking about memberships here. Everyone participating in this forum is a member, and we expect our members to treat one another with a certain level of civility. This maybe really foreign to some people, but whenever you are dealing with human beings - you are dealing with the real world.

If you are bothered that a casino rep shared with us an email from one of their players, well I'm sorry that this troubles you. But I think the severity of the abuse overrides any email privacy privileges.

Bryan you can spin it or justify it all you want to. But you are WRONG WRONG WRONG to post TonyT personal info between a casino and a public forum. And Lock casino is equally wrong for sending it to you. TonyT stated he didn't even mention you or sussexmskpartnershipeast.com in his email to lock casino. If lock casino is willing to share his personal email to you. I'm willing to bet Lock will sell it's members personal data to 3rd sources also. IMHO lock casino has breached the player's right to privacy. And this casino should be avoid. Like I said. If they are willing to share a player personal information with you. They maybe willing to sell their players personal information to "those" parties that will interested.

 

[Cant_Get_Right]

Interesting concept.

Not sure how that argument would sit directly against the original Privacy Terms agreed to by the OP and Lock Casino though.

Seeing we're at this ethical cross roads...I take it you'd also agree that (given similar circumstances) the same goes for private PM's too?

Of course if you don't agree, I'd be interested to know why?


Cheers




Dave

Maybe the PM here aren't so private as one may think!
Just like the song by Hall and Oates sings:
Private Eyes
they're watching you
they see your every move
Private Eyes
they're watching you
Private Eyes
they're watching you watching you watching you watching you

 

[AussieDave]

Where I have referred to the OP I was meaning TonyT.

I'll put the confusion down to...threads that should be split are not and the threads that shouldn't be split are...go figure


Cheers



Dave

 

[TonyT]

Since i am at the center of this i think i need to ring in.

First off i want to thank Bryan and max for not banning me and i hope it isnt in the works to do so. I have not only told them how much i like this site i have also mentioned to other members and non-members how you are allowed to speak your mind here.

As far as the email i sent to them, no matter what was said in it my privacy was breached, and there was not a single word in there refering to CM forum or anyone who runs it.

My few posts on the forum about them was about my "personal playing experience", which was nothing more then what other members were saying about there site.

I bet they never mentioned about how i made over 10+ posts on another forum praising them, kissing there ass and telling anyone who would listen how they were they next best thing to sliced bread, even posting SS's of my cashier section showing how fast they payout but when things were being said that was not in the casinos best interest they go and get defensive and make public a private matter. They didnt have to close my account i asked for it to be closed before the email was sent to them and the only response that was said in the chat was "ok" and then the next thing i see is "session terminated". That right there told me they really didn't care about there players as to ask why i wanted to close my account or anything in that manner.

I will agree that my language was way out of line and for that part i am sorry.

At 1st i had no idea how the casino even knew it was me from my user name here, my user name and email are totally different there then they are here then i thought of how they found out and i am pretty sure its because the Admin at another forum i use to work for is a member here and on this site all the time lurking and reading posts.

I do hope i am not banned and want to continue as a member here.

Thanks.

Tony

 

[diamondale]

What private Information?

There was nothing posted about tony t no address no email, no private info,
And the language he used cunt,dick,fuck etc i would also bring that to someones attention i agree with bryan. They are only human the customer support reps you threatened them u need to treat them with respect. Sending that kind of email is just disgusting in my book.I have had my words with cust reps but never using foul language.Your mom needs to wash your mouth out with soup.Take a valium next time,.

 

[TonyT]

There was nothing posted about tony t no address no email, no private info,
And the language he used cunt,dick,fuck etc i would also bring that to someones attention i agree with bryan. They are only human the customer support reps you threatened them u need to treat them with respect. Sending that kind of email is just disgusting in my book.I have had my words with cust reps but never using foul language.Your mom needs to wash your mouth out with soup.Take a valium next time,.

If i am gonna get attacked for a PRIVATE matter ofc i am gonna defend myself.

You say that no "private info" was posted??????

Thee entire email was sent to max and part of it was posted here on the forum thats about as private a matter as you can get.

 

[maphesto]

I have to say this even if this is an issue between Lock, TonyT, Casinomeister and perhaps if I could read between the lines in Tony:s post..Zuga?

I do think that Tony learned his lesson. Let it stay with that! No use to continue about it.

About the main issue in the Tony case(go public about his email), there is no correct answer to this. Everyone have their own opinion. We all understand AussieDave and we all understand Bryan when he says that the severity of the abuse overrides any email privacy privileges.

Let it be!

 

[TonyT]

Just to nip this in the bud, it was my decision to call the player out on his abusive email. It has nothing to do with Lock Casino, Max, or anything else.

The casino reps wanted to give us a heads up that TonyT had sent their customer service rep a threatening and abusive email. Since the player is starting to post about not liking the casino in public, I decided to call the player out on this. Simple as that.

Would you feel any different if this was a player member who received an abusive email from one of the casino reps here? I think people would be screaming to the hills about that.

Everyone has every right to call people out on this - that's my opinion.

And we are talking about memberships here. Everyone participating in this forum is a member, and we expect our members to treat one another with a certain level of civility. This maybe really foreign to some people, but whenever you are dealing with human beings - you are dealing with the real world.

If you are bothered that a casino rep shared with us an email from one of their players, well I'm sorry that this troubles you. But I think the severity of the abuse overrides any email privacy privileges.

Bryan i have no problem with you or anyone "calling me out", i have been at this online and offline betting game long enough to know how it works.

What i am upset about is that it should have NEVER gotten back to you, max or any other forum at all.

If someone was to call me out on this matter it should have been the casino, and you know what? They NEVER responded to the email i sent them instead they go and run and cry to max and who knows who else about what was said. That right there is where they messed up.

I want to be the 1st to throw a shovel of dirt on this topic but i think it might help others to realize that a email to a casino is NOT private in there eyes.

 

[TonyT]

I have to say this even if this is an issue between Lock, TonyT, Casinomeister and perhaps if I could read between the lines in Tony:s post..ZUGA?

I do think that Tony learned his lesson. Let it stay with that! No use to continue about it.

About the main issue in the Tony case(go public about his email), there is no correct answer to this. Everyone have their own opinion. We all understand AussieDave and we all understand Bryan when he says that the severity of the abuse overrides any email privacy privileges.

Let it be!

Yes this is the person who has some kind of personal vendeta against me.

He is in charge of ANOTHER forum yet he is on CM all the time, and you know why?

Because CM is the best gambling forum out there and he is trying to steal everything that is going on over here. The Thank you button, CM had it and now so do they and many other things as well.

Leason well learned in sending any casinos ANY kind of email at all, good or bad.

 

[AussieDave]

Hi All,

I believe it was stated on the original Marty Davis thread but I ain't searching for it...So I'll paraphrase.

Don't let personalities influence principles.

For me this threads put to bed.



Cheers



Dave

 

[Pinababy69]

You are absolutely correct, however, the difference is that the player member would have posted the offensive email. In this instance Lock sent the email to you, instead of posting it themselves in response to Tony's comments.

Pam

Just one member's perspective...I would never have posted that email, no matter who it came from. I would definitely have forwarded a copy of it to Bryan, Max, Simmo, Webz...or anyone else who would listen.

Lock Casino (and all other reps) are members of this forum. And no one should have to put up with that type of abuse, publicly or privately. I'm sorry, but the only one who did anything wrong here (IMO only) is TonyT. If losing gets you this worked up, you need to find yourself another hobby. That is absolutely disgusting. And I have no problem with the fact that Lock forwarded that email to Bryan.

Were I to write something like that to another member (casino rep or just public member), I would fully expect to be at the least suspended...perhaps permanently banned.

Aussie, you know I think the world of you, and consider you a friend (few and far between)...but in this particular instance, you and I are going to have to agree to disagree.

No one should have to tolerate that kind of abuse, publicly or privately...whether they work for a casino or not. Sorry, but that's the way I see it. Tony, I know you've apologized....but in my experience, someone who can go off the way you did...will more than likely do it again. Were it my forum, you'd be gone. Again, just an opinion.

I can be a pain in the ass with reps and casinos....just ask em, lol. But never would I write something like that. Beyond disgusting.

 

[TonyT]

I am glad you spoke your mind Pinababy69 but what is not being realized in this situation is that a PERSONAL email was devoluged to another.

How would you or anyone else like it if something "personal" of yours was let out into the public? Its like you telling your cell phone provider off and they go and tell a cell phone forum owner what you told them.

It is out in the open what my words were to the casino so ofc people who dont like those words are going to be pissed off, but it should have NEVER been brought out at all, they didn't even have the balls to confront me is another HUGE problem.