Why would a casino eliminate a deposit method for someone?

[Savatage79]

I'm tryin to understand this because it's like don't they want someone's money in way they can get it? End of an era for me, spent years on slotocash and spent thousands, won thousands, it was my favorite casino to date... And they just went ape shit on my ability to deposit with a credit card.. But why?

Either way it's disheartening.

@Deanna I know you use uptown Deanna, they're connected to Sloto... Have they ever removed your CC deposit methods?

 

[Reelsoffun]

Surely using a credit card to a casino is classed as a cash advance so the bigger question is why on earth would you want to use a credit card to deposit?

The UK banned credit cards for casino deposits years ago and rightly so IMO.

So maybe it’s something casinos globally are catching up to?

 

[mulven]

I'm tryin to understand this because it's like don't they want someone's money in way they can get it? End of an era for me, spent years on slotocash and spent thousands, won thousands, it was my favorite casino to date... And they just went ape shit on my ability to deposit with a credit card.. But why?

Either way it's disheartening.

@Deanna I know you use uptown Deanna, they're connected to Sloto... Have they ever removed your CC deposit methods?

Sometimes sites just change what payment methods they accept. Lamabet which was just reviewed by casinomeister used to take interac for example but has seemingly removed that recently as part of a crypto focused approach.

Do they still take debit cards on your account?

 

[Savatage79]

Surely using a credit card to a casino is classed as a cash advance so the bigger question is why on earth would you want to use a credit card to deposit?

The UK banned credit cards for casino deposits years ago and rightly so IMO.

So maybe it’s something casinos globally are catching up to?

It's just easier however it's not technically a CC, it's a PayPal debit card... Because I've gotten fucked by their processors one to many times what I do is I load money onto my PayPal debit card like 50 bucks, deposit and it has no backup account so nobody can suck funds out of an open account. It just works nice for me and has been for years now.

Every other casino group takes a CC, redcherry, inetbet, spinfinity, on and on... I deposit just fine at those places. This is just a recent situation with the Sloto group.

 

[Savatage79]

Sometimes sites just change what payment methods they accept. Lamabet which was just reviewed by casinomeister used to take interac for example but has seemingly removed that recently as part of a crypto focused approach.

Do they still take debit cards on your account?

Nope that's the thing they even told me they just want me to use another method, it went away two weeks ago and then came back and then went away again the other day. They just flatout removed the option and it's just their choice.. I guess I just wish I had a reason or understanding other then them just forcing it.

 

[Jono777]

Not sure about the exact specifics in this case but it is something casinos do.

Used Unibet / Skrill for years.

One day (about a year back now) they randomly removed my access to both Skrill and Paysafe card deposits, yet I can still if I wish to do so, use my Visa Debit card.

Wife, same house, same IP, same casino etc, still has access to all of these deposit methods ?????

 

[Savatage79]

Not sure about the exact specifics in this case but it is something casinos do.

Used Unibet / Skrill for years.

One day (about a year back now) they randomly removed my access to both Skrill and Paysafe card deposits, yet I can still if I wish to do so, use my Visa Debit card.

Wife, same house, same IP, same casino etc, still has access to all of these deposit methods ?????

I mean nothing is different, I'm only one that uses the casinos so shouldn't be anything there. What sucks is I guess loyalty to these places means nothing, been spinning here since like 2017 or so, put 80% of my money into Sloto and this is how they repay me.

 

[Jono777]

I mean nothing is different, I'm only one that uses the casinos so shouldn't be anything there. What sucks is I guess loyalty to these places means nothing, been spinning here since like 2017 or so, put 80% of my money into Sloto and this is how they repay me.

Again I am partially guessing here but I feel loyalty doesn't come in to it.

More likely a compliance, business decision (global) or similar.

Would you share if you do get to the bottom of it as it would be interesting to know what's happened here.

 

[Savatage79]

Again I am partially guessing here but I feel loyalty doesn't come in to it.

More likely a compliance, business decision (global) or similar.

Would you share if you do get to the bottom of it as it would be interesting to know what's happened here.

Definitely will do. I'm tryin to see if there's still a Sloto rep around, I used to deal with Georgina and she was great... But something tells me it's all changed and that sucks.

The thing that is interesting is slotastic did the same thing and I said close my account, and they then put the CC option back... But then took it away so it's like they're all just playing some sort of game here.

 

[jasonuk]

A few ideas I can think of:

• cost - depending on playstyle, the card fees (particularly with credit cards) may be higher than they are willing to absorb;
• legality - off-shore providers may not be allowed to offer MC and VISA services for gambling, and use an "underground" network to provide this service - so they're playing a game of cat and mouse with the payment provider which can impact availability;
• commercial - the agreements between businesses will change over time, and they may not be happy with the new terms, so will try and push players towards better options. This happens elsewhere as well - remembering Amazon UK advertising they would stop supporting VISA Credit Cards until VISA caved in (which they did).

Some of these can impact all customers, some will only impact specific customers.

 

[Savatage79]

So it's interesting... Slotocash without even tryin to keep me closed my account per request.

However, uptown aces sent an email saying (before you close your account let us review the situation).... Which is odd given they are connected, when I lost my CC deposit method on Sloto it was gone for uptown aces as well.

But that's why I'm saying this isn't anything really to do with a global casino change, it's like they for some reason picked my account to remove the option... And that's why it's frustrating because they aren't being honest why or they haven't even informed me.

So I'll see what uptown aces does but that's interesting they're still wanting me to keep my account open.

 

[Jono777]

So it's interesting... Slotocash without even tryin to keep me closed my account per request.

However, uptown aces sent an email saying (before you close your account let us review the situation).... Which is odd given they are connected, when I lost my CC deposit method on Sloto it was gone for uptown aces as well.

But that's why I'm saying this isn't anything really to do with a global casino change, it's like they for some reason picked my account to remove the option... And that's why it's frustrating because they aren't being honest why or they haven't even informed me.

So I'll see what uptown aces does but that's interesting they're still wanting me to keep my account open.

Just a thought, nothing more....

Have you recently taken out any form of finance, from something small like a new CC or personal loan to something bigger, like car finance or even a mortgage??

Basically anything that may have affected your credit score or financial standing?

 

[Savatage79]

Just a thought, nothing more....

Have you recently taken out any form of finance, from something small like a new CC or personal loan to something bigger, like car finance or even a mortgage??

Basically anything that may have affected your credit score or financial standing?

Nope, nothing. But I mean even if I did they aren't privy to such info tho I wouldn't think? Especially being overseas etc..

 

[TheBingoKingx]

Ive been banned on multiple ocassions on certain stuff over the years actually.

Once a long time ago with paysafecard that banned me (not casino specific though, just in general) after a ''random security check'' in which they wanted to see the paper ticket with the pincode on it - but i already used it in full, so it was somewhere in the binbag a week before them asking.. result: failed security check, got banned by them lol. Bit ridiculous to expect me to save them? why would i keep a worthless piece of paper, but ok.

I used Skrill/Neteller ALOT - and on alot of casinos i loved depositing, gambling 1/2x the deposit, withdrawing, then deposit again. But this was due to ridiculously high cash bonuses the VIP manager would give based on your spendings.. the more i'd deposit, the higher my spendings etc etc. Safe to say multiple casinos banned that option because of them having to deal with the hefty %s Skrill takes on each deposit (and therefore being able to make me such generous cashback offerings)

 

[justdoit]

many casinos on Paypal I get this massage, only one casino works fine

 

[Savatage79]

many casinos on Paypal I get this massage, only one casino works fine
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So I think the difference is maybe using the debit card, not sure, it acts as a regular debit so long as there's money in there or it has a backup source it is fairly open for usage. I been using it for years at like most casinos and never had any issues outside of the standard processor weirdness we see.

The only thing that is different is out of the clear blue it seems Sloto/uptown put a block on my card. And they haven't said why, so what was weird was when I went to deposit it would decline nonstop but then go thru sometimes after 2 attempts, sometimes after 5 attempts, it was so dumb... But the card never had those issues ever, and worked perfectly on all other casino groups so I don't get it.

I won a lot at Sloto, no bonuses just my own money...and it feels this is their way of pushing me out.

 

[TheAddict]

I think if they don't want your custom they wouldn't mess about and just make sure you can no longer give it to them.

I have a weird one going on at one of the 2 White hat gaming sites id occassionally deposit at.
it has my card details saved for quickness, which used to work everytime if I clicked on deposit/visa and selected my saved card details from the drop down box for the deposit option. But it declines the transaction everyime now if I do that.
Yet, If i select 'deposit wih new card' but enter the same card details of that which is saved as my normal deposit option, my normal deposit option which now always gets declined, then ig works.
Naturally i didn't bother raising this with live chat, i ceartinly havn't got the energy for how that conversation will go.

Sorry, I know it's of no help. But, like your issue , it's weird, since it WAS working fine for a year or 3.

 

[Savatage79]

I think if they don't want your custom they wouldn't mess about and just make sure you can no longer give it to them.

I have a weird one going on at one of the 2 White hat gaming sites id occassionally deposit at.
it has my card details saved for quickness, which used to work everytime if I clicked on deposit/visa and selected my saved card details from the drop down box for the deposit option. But it declines the transaction everyime now if I do that.
Yet, If i select 'deposit wih new card' but enter the same card details of that which is saved as my normal deposit option, my normal deposit option which now always gets declined, then ig works.
Naturally i didn't bother raising this with live chat, i ceartinly havn't got the energy for how that conversation will go.

Sorry, I know it's of no help. But, like your issue , it's weird, since it WAS working fine for a year or 3.

That sounds like what I was experiencing leading up to this, my card for years worked fine.. Occasionally had a wonky decline or two but that's just normal.. Well like 3 or 4 months ago it started to just decline nonstop, very frustrating and annoying. Could go to other casinos and it worked. So I don't get it... It was like they put a block on my card.

I mean have casinos done thjs when people win to much? Is that a thing?

 

[justdoit]

So I think the difference is maybe using the debit card, not sure, it acts as a regular debit so long as there's money in there or it has a backup source it is fairly open for usage. I been using it for years at like most casinos and never had any issues outside of the standard processor weirdness we see.

The only thing that is different is out of the clear blue it seems Sloto/uptown put a block on my card. And they haven't said why, so what was weird was when I went to deposit it would decline nonstop but then go thru sometimes after 2 attempts, sometimes after 5 attempts, it was so dumb... But the card never had those issues ever, and worked perfectly on all other casino groups so I don't get it.

I won a lot at Sloto, no bonuses just my own money...and it feels this is their way of pushing me out.

my bank card Debit card was linked to Paypal, never had problem before, now all most all casinos same thing, not sure how they thing am out of UK, same time one casino dont have problem with it,

 

[Savatage79]

my bank card Debit card was linked to Paypal, never had problem before, now all most all casinos same thing, not sure how they thing am out of UK, same time one casino dont have problem with it,

Were you using the actual PayPal debit card tho?

Like not sure what the group is called but whoever is inetbet/ladyluck/redcherry etc... I can deposit as much as I want and it works, never a decline which is nice. But I guess it's deck media for Sloto? Something changed badly.

 

[slaman29]

Like justdoit already pointed out, it could be something to do with PayPal banning the merchant. It happens a lot to me in the past until I started using alternatives like gift card (prepaid).

Ever tried using crypto for deposits? It prevents the block from happening from the crypto side of things.

I mean have casinos done thjs when people win to much? Is that a thing?

If this was a thing, then they would just limit your account rather than block a payment method, I would think.

 

[justdoit]

Like justdoit already pointed out, it could be something to do with PayPal banning the merchant. It happens a lot to me in the past until I started using alternatives like gift card (prepaid).

Ever tried using crypto for deposits? It prevents the block from happening from the crypto side of things.


If this was a thing, then they would just limit your account rather than block a payment method, I would think.

could be glitch or something on Paypal, Crypto is not working on paypal for UK only US

 

[justdoit]

Were you using the actual PayPal debit card tho?

Like not sure what the group is called but whoever is inetbet/ladyluck/redcherry etc... I can deposit as much as I want and it works, never a decline which is nice. But I guess it's deck media for Sloto? Something changed badly.

my 2 bank card was link to Paypal,Halifax and Revolut

 

[Savatage79]

Like justdoit already pointed out, it could be something to do with PayPal banning the merchant. It happens a lot to me in the past until I started using alternatives like gift card (prepaid).

Ever tried using crypto for deposits? It prevents the block from happening from the crypto side of things.


If this was a thing, then they would just limit your account rather than block a payment method, I would think.

Well the thing about PayPal is this if it was my end they would I'd assume say "your card is blocking us, we haven't down anything"... Know what I mean?

They are from what I gather determining if they want to give me CC option back as if they removed it for whatever reason.

I'd use btc if it wasnt so high on fees maybe, but I mean it was bad when it was 60k now at 100k or whatever I can't imagine them now. I just don't maneuver thru crypto like most seem to do, never latched onto it overall really.

 

[slaman29]

could be glitch or something on Paypal, Crypto is not working on paypal for UK only US

I meant direct deposit of crypto, as in using a crypto wallet like Electrum. Then you never need to worry about getting blocked from your end.

I'd use btc if it wasnt so high on fees maybe, but I mean it was bad when it was 60k now at 100k or whatever I can't imagine them now. I just don't maneuver thru crypto like most seem to do, never latched onto it overall really.

It is high fees if you use a hosted wallet (as in, a company that manages your BTC for you so something like coinbase wallet where they rip you off the fees). But if you use your own crypto wallet, the fees have always been low. I use Electrum and even at 100k now I am paying about 6 cents (that's just because of BTC price). If you use other crypto, like USDT, which any crypto casino usually accepts in addition to BTC, the fees are always in cents. Its way cheaper for me long term than loading up my paypal or loading up giftcards like I do now.

Don't worry it took me a long time to latch on, but these days there's a lot more help and guidance online, and the apps and wallets are way easier to use now.

 

[Savatage79]

I meant direct deposit of crypto, as in using a crypto wallet like Electrum. Then you never need to worry about getting blocked from your end.

It is high fees if you use a hosted wallet (as in, a company that manages your BTC for you so something like coinbase wallet where they rip you off the fees). But if you use your own crypto wallet, the fees have always been low. I use Electrum and even at 100k now I am paying about 6 cents (that's just because of BTC price). If you use other crypto, like USDT, which any crypto casino usually accepts in addition to BTC, the fees are always in cents. Its way cheaper for me long term than loading up my paypal or loading up giftcards like I do now.

Don't worry it took me a long time to latch on, but these days there's a lot more help and guidance online, and the apps and wallets are way easier to use now.

What then do you suggest to use? I just am so lost with it... I only used coinbase and PayPal btc because it's easy I can send and receive but thats it, I am just so lost tho for anything else with bitcoin. Its something that totally went over my head when it started.

 

[slaman29]

What then do you suggest to use? I just am so lost with it... I only used coinbase and PayPal btc because it's easy I can send and receive but thats it, I am just so lost tho for anything else with bitcoin. Its something that totally went over my head when it started.

I would suggest Electrum, if you are using Bitcoin. Official site is

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. Get your Bitcoin from Coinbase (or buy it from wherever you are comfortable with) then withdraw it to your Electrum wallet. Word of caution for using your own wallet, you cannot get help remembering your seed phrase (it's like a secret key only you know) so you must be prepared to store your access safely as nobody can help you recover it. It can appear a bit complicated to use at first but default settings should be safe enough to use.

Not to derail this thread but you can always open a new thread and tag me to help you if you really need in support section, but the documentation on Electrum is pretty handy.

Don't worry it appears hard at first but once you get the hang of it you'll probably never go back (that's what happened to me anyway). I come from a place so hard to get things like paypal or visa to work internationally. I can't even use Coinbase. My frustration let me to Bitcoin.

 

[Guntis]

@Savatage79 If you can, always use real money payment methods like PayPal's card that you know well. Bitcoin and other coins work if you own some spare coins and plan to use them for gambling without needing cash.

Otherwise you'll always lose on transaction fees and they'll build up quite a lot overtime (this year i spent around £2k on fees, it's a lot of money).

Say you receive $1,000 in Bitcoin from a casino to your Electrum or similar wallet. And what comes next? Shops don't take Bitcoins for milk, bread, meat, fags, petrol, etc. And you can't pay your bills with them either. So essentially, it's useless currency if you nead money for everyday life.

What's the way to get USD from crypto?

1. Well, in the US you got Bitcoin ATMs that will charge you 5% or more + network fees.

2. Send crypto to exchanges like Binance, Coinbase, etc and get charged fees for selling your Bitcoin. Here in the UK, it's around £50 for 1k on Coinbase. It's nuts, and Coinbase bans accounts used for gambling if they find out.

3. Transak is an option too. There you can sell crypto for cash. It costs between $5-15 for selling $1,000 worth in Bitcoin.

4. Find somebody who can swap your crypto for cash for a small fee.

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It's all hassles, extra steps, and fees. But it's still an option if you have no better choices. If i was you, i would consider convenience, compare costs, and stick to USD payments for casinos whenever possible.

 

[geordiecolin]

I went into my local Coral's today with a box of Big Eyed Friends dolls asking if I could exchange them for a punt on Forged Well EW in the 130 at Kelso and they just slung me out across the street

 

[Savatage79]

@Savatage79 If you can, always use real money payment methods like PayPal's card that you know well. Bitcoin and other coins work if you own some spare coins and plan to use them for gambling without needing cash.

Otherwise you'll always lose on transaction fees and they'll build up quite a lot overtime (this year i spent around £2k on fees, it's a lot of money).

Say you receive $1,000 in Bitcoin from a casino to your Electrum or similar wallet. And what comes next? Shops don't take Bitcoins for milk, bread, meat, fags, petrol, etc. And you can't pay your bills with them either. So essentially, it's useless currency if you nead money for everyday life.

What's the way to get USD from crypto?

1. Well, in the US you got Bitcoin ATMs that will charge you 5% or more + network fees.

2. Send crypto to exchanges like Binance, Coinbase, etc and get charged fees for selling your Bitcoin. Here in the UK, it's around £50 for 1k on Coinbase. It's nuts, and Coinbase bans accounts used for gambling if they find out.

3. Transak is an option too. There you can sell crypto for cash. It costs between $5-15 for selling $1,000 worth in Bitcoin.

4. Find somebody who can swap your crypto for cash for a small fee.

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It's all hassles, extra steps, and fees. But it's still an option if you have no better choices. If i was you, i would consider convenience, compare costs, and stick to USD payments for casinos whenever possible.

Thanks for the post Guntis. Oh I agree that's why I fight so adamantly about using my CCs and why I'm thankful that most still take CCs, like with my Paypal deposits it's like 1.00 fee, it's so nice and I don't feel I'm getting totally jacked when it comes to the fees. Same with cash outs by the time I send it all around I'm down a hundred or more. That's why I still like old school checks, takes a few extra days but I don't lose anything.

 

[Savatage79]

So just an update... Slotocash returned my credit card deposit method.

So that's great, but lol I still just wish I understood why is all and I hope they don't mess with it again.

@Sloto if you were able to help with that I totally appreciate it

 

[slaman29]

Otherwise you'll always lose on transaction fees and they'll build up quite a lot overtime (this year i spent around £2k on fees, it's a lot of money).

Say you receive $1,000 in Bitcoin from a casino to your Electrum or similar wallet. And what comes next? Shops don't take Bitcoins for milk, bread, meat, fags, petrol, etc. And you can't pay your bills with them either. So essentially, it's useless currency if you nead money for everyday life.

4. Find somebody who can swap your crypto for cash for a small fee.

It's all hassles, extra steps, and fees. But it's still an option if you have no better choices. If i was you, i would consider convenience, compare costs, and stick to USD payments for casinos whenever possible.

I have to insist that crypto saves me money on fees, as a user over the years, its one of the main reasons I've just completely changed to only using crypto casinos. I spend a few cents per transaction on BTC, maybe it gets to 50 cents during very busy periods, but if I use USDT (Tether) it can even get to as low as 1 cent per transaction.

For years I spent so much on fees on CCs and Paypal. Maybe its different for US people for sure, and maybe also other countries, but we in Asia get charged and lose money on CC on a few things:
1. A service fee which is around 2%. Almost everywhere you will be getting this.
2. A terrible exchange rate which is minimum 5% markup. If you're lucky you can find a casino that accepts SGD or MYR but in general, you have to choose USD or EUR and then you gonna get a terrible rate.

Want to use Paypal? Then you are stuck with 4.9% fee.

What to do with Bitcoin? I swap P2P in Singapore and Malaysia. Loads of people and networks on platforms here. I can literally sell my BTC withdrawal in minutes with bank to bank instant transfer. I get a better rate than if I withdraw my USD, and then forced to pay the bad exchange rate AND service fees. Again.

I do admit I guess the situation is different for US people, maybe you guys don't have CC fees or high charges like in Asia?

 

[Guntis]

I have to insist that crypto saves me money on fees, as a user over the years, its one of the main reasons I've just completely changed to only using crypto casinos. I spend a few cents per transaction on BTC, maybe it gets to 50 cents during very busy periods, but if I use USDT (Tether) it can even get to as low as 1 cent per transaction.

Where do you initially get your Bitcoins?

Here in the UK, they don't grow on trees, i don't mine them, and you can't even find them lying about on the streets.

The options are to buy them on exchanges or from a trusted P2P who sells them for a small fee.

Here is how much of these Bitcoins cost on Kraken - £188,37 (or $240) for £4,000 in BTC.



Here is how many of those Bitcoin i've bough during the last 30 days and deposited into this casino:



I couldn't screenshot the full list and had to calculate this way:



€18,876 is about £15,600

So the fees would be roughly £750 (or $960) for buying £15,600 worth of Bitcoin on Kraken.

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What does £750 mean to me? I could fill a fridge for a whole month with the best food you can find in the UK, plus a couple 50 gram pouches of tobacco.

And £750 in fees is just for this month because I played before too. Yes there were wins, but mostly losses.

BTC wallet-to-wallet fees is a different story and they don't matter much. But still build up over time.

They're about £3-4 for transferring £1,000 in BTC.

Now, if i played on UK real money casinos like Unibet using my UK bank card or PayPal, there would be instant deposits and withdrawals with zero fees.

So yeah, the situation here is much different than yours.

 

[LocoEsquire]

This post is really interesting to me because I also play on SlotoCash. They haven't revoked my ability to use credit cards, but they did recently limit my bets to no more than $2.00 a spin and stopped honoring any bonus coupons. This is after I won a huge progressive last year and about 30k in smaller wins this year. I asked about VIP status, was denied, and then had my bet limits lowered and all coupons denied. Really strange.

 

[jasonuk]

Thanks for the post Guntis. Oh I agree that's why I fight so adamantly about using my CCs and why I'm thankful that most still take CCs, like with my Paypal deposits it's like 1.00 fee, it's so nice and I don't feel I'm getting totally jacked when it comes to the fees. Same with cash outs by the time I send it all around I'm down a hundred or more. That's why I still like old school checks, takes a few extra days but I don't lose anything.

Credit cards are pretty nasty when it comes to fees though, 2-3% is pretty much a given and depending on risk and whether platforms like AMEX are involved it could exceed 5% - which is significantly higher than debit cards, and higher than many (but not all) crypto scenarios.

So even if you aren't getting hammered with fees, the merchant (casino) probably will be.

 

[Savatage79]

This post is really interesting to me because I also play on SlotoCash. They haven't revoked my ability to use credit cards, but they did recently limit my bets to no more than $2.00 a spin and stopped honoring any bonus coupons. This is after I won a huge progressive last year and about 30k in smaller wins this year. I asked about VIP status, was denied, and then had my bet limits lowered and all coupons denied. Really strange.

Funny you mention that because all my issues here with Sloto started after I hit my Goldbeard jackpot for 11.5, like a month after my CC deposits were barely working, and then after a few months here we are. But now they're back. But that sucks to hear man because it basically says to me they are sore losers if someone wins big, that doesn't seem fair to just pin someone down like that after a big win.

Credit cards are pretty nasty when it comes to fees though, 2-3% is pretty much a given and depending on risk and whether platforms like AMEX are involved it could exceed 5% - which is significantly higher than debit cards, and higher than many (but not all) crypto scenarios.

So even if you aren't getting hammered with fees, the merchant (casino) probably will be.

Most likely, but I still think the old saying that goes gotta spend money to make money applies as I put alot of money into a place like Sloto so surely they can withstand some fees, most places offer it so that's why I feel they want to leave it open. So I dunno but I'm glad they gave it back to me but still, very annoying

 

[slaman29]

Where do you initially get your Bitcoins?

Here in the UK, they don't grow on trees, i don't mine them, and you can't even find them lying about on the streets.

The options are to buy them on exchanges or from a trusted P2P who sells them for a small fee.

It would cost me as much as you (maybe a little less because our exchanges have very low fees. Southeast Asia exchanges are easy to buy, and they all have a P2P platform where you find other buyers/sellers or you can post your own request, at your own price. So that's what I do.

Initially my BTC was from P2P Localbitcoins, you post your own price, and someone agrees, and then you exchange it (it's safe because of escrow). It doesn't exist anymore but we have Remitano which is big in Singapore where I am. And most of us, after the first trades, we enter a P2P group on whatsapp, we all trust each other already and trade directly. Very very good price and we pay nothing on tx except wallet to wallet (which is cents on Electrum).

Depositing to casino is again cents, withdrawal costs nothing.

I don't know how it is in UK or US , I know US banned commercial P2P mostly but oc, there are trusted groups also and AFAIK its not illegal if it's not a commercial business, as in, just personal to personal.

I believe we all started with your situation but because we all wanted a way to escape high cost of fees, eventually many of us in Singapore turned to crypto and P2P. No more exchanges means 1 less KYC requirement also.

Edit: showing my last deposit transaction which cost 0.00000400 BTC or 40 cents for depositing $100. And that's a priority "order". If I set low priority, it will take more time to confirm but it would have cost me 15 cents. And thats just because BTC is $100,000 now. A few months ago at $50k, these would be 20 cents or 7 cents.

 

[Deanna]

@Savatage79 - I'm sorry, somehow I missed this entire thread until just now. I haven't had any issues with Sloto or Uptown with CC's. As you know, I mostly play on Uptown but will go over to Sloto if waiting on a payout.