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GENERAL WARNING Yay, I won a million! Sadly, no, you didn't.

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It seems like the casino industry is undergoing a serious backslide into the bad old days of rampant scams, fakery, and fraud being dished out to players. In just the past year, we've reported on: fake Casinomeister accounts on Skype and Telegram; the "pay to withdraw" scam; the "casino spoofing" fake-site ripoffs; and widespread account hacking across the iGaming space. It's not been a good year for player safety and that's having a detrimental effect on the industry as a whole.

Our purpose here today is to bring attention the fact that many of the problems that players are being lured into stem from one thing: fake claims of big winnings.

Imagine this: you go to a new casino, play a little and are suddenly told you've won big, life-changing big: a million in your favourite currency now awaits you! Happy days, right? Ummm, not so much.

The truth is that most players dream of the happy day when it will be their turn for the big score. All the frustration and anxiety and pot noodle lunches will have finally paid off and things are going to be great!

And that's exactly the point: dangling that big, juicy carrot in front of your average player is going to have them willing to do whatever it takes to cash in. So suddenly the "pay now to receive your payments" or "go here and give us all your bank details, date of birth, etc etc" sound like a pretty reasonable step to have the opportunity to snuggle up to that pot of gold.

There's only one problem: it is almost certainly fake and is specifically intended to lure you into giving up something you normally wouldn't.

Million-dollar paydays in casinos are exceedingly rare and with all the fraud going on these days, simply cannot be taken at face value.

We strongly advise you pause, take a few deep breaths and think this whole thing through. If the big win came fast and easy, then it's probably fake. If it came from a site you just recently joined, it's probably fake. If, if, if ...

The fact is, you need to run the whole thing through the gauntlet of verification and proof before you can believe what you've been told. And if they're asking for ANYTHING from you in order to "unlock" or "release" or "verify" or any such thing related to your "big winnings" then the chances are there are no "big winnings" and you're in the middle of some fresh new con designed to get something from you.

Player Beware! The woods are scary, dark and deep, and someone wants something from you that you'd be wise to keep.

- Max Drayman, sussexmskpartnershipeast.com
 
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The fact is, you need to run the whole thing through the gauntlet of verification and proof before you can believe what you've been told. And if they're asking for ANYTHING from you in order to "unlock" or "release" or "verify" or any such thing related to your "big winnings" then the chances are there are no "big winnings" and you're in the middle of some fresh new con designed to get something from you.
Pretty much we are seeing in growing numbers of late, the early 2000's Advance Fee Fraud or 419 scams, but with a twist. Instead of someone from Lagos Nigeria communicating with you out of the blue, little known online casinos have taken it to another level for the 2020's.

Good advice Max!
 
The psychology is the same as it always has been including the 419 scam as mentioned - dazzle the mark with lots of zeros and suggestion of life-changing sums which at the same time blinds them to the influence of all common sense and intuition.
 
Pretty much we are seeing in growing numbers of late, the early 2000's Advance Fee Fraud or 419 scams, but with a twist. Instead of someone from Lagos Nigeria communicating with you out of the blue, little known online casinos have taken it to another level for the 2020's.

Good advice Max!
Why pick on Lagos? Apparently ive got a massive hidden cache of gold over there (according to a long lost family member I never even knew I had). Won't be long before that gold comes my way - just got to send a payment as there is some kind of small release fee but all seams legit to me.

It my sound a bit scammy, but im reassured that my family member is part of the royal family over there (which by default, means I am as well). Its a bit weird as no one from my side has ever been to Lagos, but the guy is really convincing
 
I want opinions about this:
Prima Play Casino gave me a $25 freeplay offer with max cashout of $250. I played it up to $1430 or so and requested cashout. The $1430 was taken and $250 was left in my account. I then played the $250 up to around $2200 and requested cashout. This is my first withdrawal from this casino but I have played at it for years. Today, I am advised I am due and will be issued an ACH withdrawal of only $175, the amount of which I dispute, as this is TWICE clawing back money when the $2200 should be free and clear. Am I wrong about this as fair as how casinos payout? Am I justified in requesting help and reporting a complaint about them? I have saved the chat sequence...
 
And the moniker contains an AI modified image of Michael Jackson from when he sported the nylon long black hair weave.
Now that I would never have seen if not for your sharp eyes.

The ones I get are AI modified Korean girls (I guess cause I'm in Asia) in about 100 different types of almost-undressed and lips ready to replace Peking ducks.

I was trying all day last night to find a casino free winnings ad. I have a translation app that I use, if I want to gain more free uses I have to watch ads, and of course when I wanted to share those free wins ads, they never come again.
 
I want opinions about this:
Prima Play Casino gave me a $25 freeplay offer with max cashout of $250. I played it up to $1430 or so and requested cashout. The $1430 was taken and $250 was left in my account. I then played the $250 up to around $2200 and requested cashout. This is my first withdrawal from this casino but I have played at it for years. Today, I am advised I am due and will be issued an ACH withdrawal of only $175, the amount of which I dispute, as this is TWICE clawing back money when the $2200 should be free and clear. Am I wrong about this as fair as how casinos payout? Am I justified in requesting help and reporting a complaint about them? I have saved the chat sequence...
If the max cashout is $250 then generally once you finish wagering you would need to withdraw it first and then redeposit. If you check their t&c's it will probably state that the maximum from the offer is $250, and the balance is still tied to the free offer. Not sure why the withdrawal is $175 though.
 
I want opinions about this:
Prima Play Casino gave me a $25 freeplay offer with max cashout of $250. I played it up to $1430 or so and requested cashout. The $1430 was taken and $250 was left in my account. I then played the $250 up to around $2200 and requested cashout. This is my first withdrawal from this casino but I have played at it for years. Today, I am advised I am due and will be issued an ACH withdrawal of only $175, the amount of which I dispute, as this is TWICE clawing back money when the $2200 should be free and clear. Am I wrong about this as fair as how casinos payout? Am I justified in requesting help and reporting a complaint about them? I have saved the chat sequence...
What worries me very muchly about your post is the fact you've played there for years and never enacted a withdrawal until now. :eek2:

But as said above, the best policy in these circumstances is to ALWAYS withdraw after converting a bonus then redeposit to 'clean' the money so it cannot possibly be connected with the original bonus any longer, thus removing any excuse they might create to debit your balance.
 
Okay, so you are saying that it is not an unusual practice for a casino to continue to link money to a bonus if you do not completely withdraw to "convert" winnings. I'm not a hardcore online player; I've just dabbled and played mainly at brick-and-mortar casinos because it is so hard, as a US player to find a trusty online casino that plays fair and actually pays out winnings, and I haven't moved to bitcoin. I've played small amounts at Prima and other online casinos before. Most I have not found it possible to win at. I've had small winnings at Prima before that I've just not considered large enough to withdraw. With upcoming US tax law changes, I'm looking to now explore more online as brick-and-mortar casinos will no longer be as profitable. The $175 is due to their ACH charge. Prima just lists the $250 max cashout, but it doesn't go further to claim that the balance is still tied to the original offer.
 
Okay, so you are saying that it is not an unusual practice for a casino to continue to link money to a bonus if you do not completely withdraw to "convert" winnings. I'm not a hardcore online player; I've just dabbled and played mainly at brick-and-mortar casinos because it is so hard, as a US player to find a trusty online casino that plays fair and actually pays out winnings, and I haven't moved to bitcoin. I've played small amounts at Prima and other online casinos before. Most I have not found it possible to win at. I've had small winnings at Prima before that I've just not considered large enough to withdraw. With upcoming US tax law changes, I'm looking to now explore more online as brick-and-mortar casinos will no longer be as profitable. The $175 is due to their ACH charge. Prima just lists the $250 max cashout, but it doesn't go further to claim that the balance is still tied to the original offer.
No, it's not unusual, it's ridiculous in some ways, understandable in others.

Yeah, I can see why it's trappy if you lose $75 just to withdraw 250 and end up with 175, when you'd want to play with 250 but cannot as you cannot win anything further with it.
 


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