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Any casino/rep willing to step up and promote high RTP

deepsky2

deepsky2

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With RTP becoming a hot topic among the forum I think this would be a great opportunity for any casino to step up to the plate and promote they only use high rtp that is available from the game providers. This would be a great business move for a casino to promote this.

Is there any casino rep that could post a honest statement that they use only the highest rtp and I challenge any casino to do so.

Also want to say SHAME :mad::mad::mad: to Red Tiger, Play N Go, Netent, Pramatic Play etc to stoop low and provide games to casinos that are using unacceptable low rtp slots. example Videoslots.

Shame to casinos that change or sneak in lower RTP games with out informing your players again like Videoslots:mad::mad: and other casinos.

I know sometimes the forum can get of hand and some subjects get over post but over posting about RTP changes and calling out casinos that are using ridiculous low rtp could not be done enough, and shame on the slot providers for for giving in to the demand to the casinos that are asking for reduced rtp games. Its slapping the players in the face.

I make sure when and where ever I can post or the opportunity to share with friends what casinos and providers are doing with rtp I do. I think they need to be called out on it as much as possible and get the information out there. I do not care about bad mouthing Videoslots either as they have done some poor business decisions and have insulted there playes so they have brought this on to them self's, and for any casino to take same path I will be staying away from and hope they get called out on it as well.

I guess if all casinos do the same then I wont complain. But till then I hope any casino that uses low rtp slots get called out on it and I truly feel this needs to be in there review some how. Example Videoslots 9.8 review under Cons. should maybe say something like beware Videoslots has been sneaking in lower rtp on certain games with out informing the players. Btw not on a rant about Videoslots as been 3 months since last deposit there. Using them as example as what they have been doing re rtp is true.

It be nice to see a rating system for game providers as well with there rtps math models.
 
dionysus said:
I'm pretty sure @L&L-Jan has posted that they use the better or best RTP options where available; im sure someone can correct me if wrong
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Sadly they too have Play'n Go set to a lower RTP.

Jan did announce it many months ago to be fair - he was open about it.

He didnt pull a rabbit out the hat like Videoslots does usually... on the quiet.

Play'n Go are a provider I won't even touch these days. As long as players accept it and pump them full of money, they will continue the trend.

Nate
 
Problem may be the administration of it in the review: high RTP on Saturday, meeting (Virtual) of the board on Monday and lower on the Tuesday: plus, may only be for certain providers (though i imagine if you lower on one provider, you will probably do the same with the rest) - so to keep track of that (unless you have the rep agree to tell you of any future changes) may require a bit of monitoring

L and L don't use the highest (for PNG at least) - 94.71

Edit - Nate got there before me re L&L and Jan (and to be fair as Nate says they put PNG in at that to start with, unlike some....)
 
Tell you what I had a little win at Easter nothing massive I think about £250 withdrawl. But since that it’s been shockingly disgusting bordering on theft. And isn’t it funny it coincides with Covid19 and the gambling sites losing millions in sports bets? I think not
 
Out of the casinos i check a good half have max rtp right the way through their selections.

As far as i know all Kindred Group - Unibet, 32red etc are max.

Off the top of my head.....

Casino Calzone
Kaboo
Novibet
Rizk
Guts
Leovegas
Casumo

Are all max rtp on all games.

I am sure there are plenty more out there.

Perhaps the new Chief Financial Officer, 'Johan of Kindred' (sounds like a Game Of Thrones character) would like to step up and declare their commitment.

New CFO Appointed at Kindred Group

Not much to ask from someone starting a new job :)

Edit: 21Casino also, sorry if ive left anyone out.
 
That is awesome, 32Red has been coming a regular place I play and deposit again. It be nice if they are the first to promote this and have it advertised on there home page. Any casino that is accredited and does this will have 100 percent of my loyalty.

Also if this is true I hope Casinomeister add this to there review.
 
deepsky2 said:
That is awesome, 32Red has been coming a regular place I play and deposit again. It be nice if they are the first to promote this and have it advertised on there home page. Any casino that is accredited and does this will have 100 percent of my loyalty.

Also if this is true I hope Casinomeister add this to there review.
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Dont just take my word for it. Check before you play of course.

Cant see anybody making that kind of commitment on a permanent basis but somebody marketing a 'price fix' (for want of a better description) for the year, would be impressive, make a big impact and might be in their business plan anyway.
 
Storspiller that i use has selected games operating at 98%.

If im not wrong, thats part of kindred group.
 
dionysus said:
I'm pretty sure @L&L-Jan has posted that they use the better or best RTP options where available; im sure someone can correct me if wrong
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L&L is using the lower RTP-versions of Play'n'go. 94%.

Lowering it from 96% to 94% might not mean much, but it is DOUBLING the casinos profit on that game.

I got myself a 7-day ban for making players aware of that in Jan's tournament thread.
 
Lobo said:
L&L is using the lower RTP-versions of Play'n'go. 94%.

Lowering it from 96% to 94% might not mean much, but it is DOUBLING the casinos profit on that game.

I got myself a 7-day ban for making players aware of that in Jan's tournament thread.
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That is low of any casino to ban a player that informs other players of changes that perhaps the casino hasn't. Shows you it's about greed and not the player. To to keep it as quiet as they can as they know only a handful of players know what RTP is and the less the players know the more $ in there pockets.
 
brianmon said:
Are any of 32Red's slots available with different RTP's though?
I don't think they carry Play'n'Go, Red Tiger, Pragmatic etc.
So, they, like many other casinos, don't have a choice in the matter.
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Dont forget Netent ;)

I need to find another provider to shill for now.
Most are already taken, but im having talks with Gamomat and its looking promising.
 
deepsky2 said:
That is low of any casino to ban a player that informs other players of changes that perhaps the casino hasn't. Shows you it's about greed and not the player. To to keep it as quiet as they can as they know only a handful of players know what RTP is and the less the players know the more $ in there pockets.
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Thats not what he was banned for at all, as he well knows, and it was a ban from here, not the casino.
Jan has always been upfront about the RTP model on L&L, he stated on here at least once before they even launched PnG that he would be using the 94% versions, unlike an award winning casino on here who does it's best to hide changes and mislead players,
 
Hey All,

Thanks for the mentions here.

Those of you who have pointed out that we use the highest RTPs are correct, all of the games we currently offer are the top available RTP and as a transparent business we will never reduce them without making sure players were informed (there are no plans to reduce them, I should add).

Keeping with transparency however I should be honest and say we will shortly be introducing new games to the site which do have the option of lower RTPs and we won't be taking the top RTP. I'm not going to debate the reasons behind this decision, but as others have pointed out, there are increasing overheads, regulatory challenges and bonus abuse for operators - especially in the UK - and they all form part of the reason.

I've already informed Bryan of this and also sent him the link to our transparent RTP page, which can be found
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Thanks
Mark

Edit: Thanks to @JGslots for spotting a couple of typos on the list of RTP's - I can assure you Mermaids Millions is not 0.00%, it's actually 0.01% - will get this and other issues updated. :)
 
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Thanks for the honesty, that alone makes you far better than Videoslots and some others.
 
Novibet offer 96% rtp on play n go, not that it matters to much for me at the moment with my run .

It's nice to know that when you're playing the casino aren't shafting you. I know the max stake as well for doa and doa2 is £3.60, so they know the games that can drain them and have taken heed if you like.

Novibet are my go to, plenty of games and higher rtp. Casinos like videoslots can do one
 
Mark_32Red said:
Hey All,



Keeping with transparency however I should be honest and say we will shortly be introducing new games to the site which do have the option of lower RTPs and we won't be taking the top RTP. I'm not going to debate the reasons behind this decision, but as others have pointed out, there are increasing overheads, regulatory challenges and bonus abuse for operators - especially in the UK - and they all form part of the reason.
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Cheers for the honesty Mark :)
 
Mark_32Red said:
I'm not going to debate the reasons behind this decision, but as others have pointed out, there are increasing overheads, regulatory challenges and bonus abuse for operators - especially in the UK - and they all form part of the reason.
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Thanks for the heads up Mark.

Not bothered if you dont wish to debate.

Stating 32Red's reasons 'for' doesnt do much to stop one though :)

Great comp by the way with JGSlots!
 
Ok Reality is that no Casino rep is going to promise and say they only will use the highest RTP available when it comes to all game providers, that was probably asking to much however you have to give credit to Mark from 32red for commenting on this thread and most important he added by saying they would not change the RTP with out telling there customers. That alone for me is a huge plus for 32Red unlike other casinos under handing there loyal players by introducing lower RTP with out informing there players like V--------s:) or hiding it somewhere in tiny print pages in.

I hope other casino reps reply to this thread as Mark did to give us some assurance in what RTP models they'll be using and how will there players be informed when changes are made re: RTP. Its just fair and a good practice to do if there going to make changes to the RTP so the casino players can make a better decision in which games to play and which casino to play them at.

I call out on Videoslots to comment to this thread if they have anything to add. Maybe they can stop using the lowest RTP available and do a better job by informing there players of changes. Videoslots not alone when it comes reduction in RTP with out telling there players but I think they have been one of the worst when it comes to changes and how there players are informed.

I hope someday any game you open the RTP will be displayed clearly on the game or better yet have the RTP beside the game so you know what its before opening the game. Something simple and straight forward would be well received by the gambling community.
 
To be honest, if I open a slot and it's not max rtp, insta close it and reconsider making deposits at this casino.
Why would anyone agree to play at a lower rtp? How dumb is it seriously? We are already burning money for entertainement... Do you really need some gas to help it burn faster? I don't feel bad for any casino running high rtp games.

That being said, I am going to play some nice bgaming slot with unknown rtp while watching some curacao pictures
 
hhhelllo said:
To be honest, if I open a slot and it's not max rtp, insta close it and reconsider making deposits at this casino.
Why would anyone agree to play at a lower rtp? How dumb is it seriously? We are already burning money for entertainement... Do you really need some gas to help it burn faster? I don't feel bad for any casino running high rtp games.

That being said, I am going to play some nice bgaming slot with unknown rtp while watching some curacao pictures
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for me, I'm not interested in the headcahes of siging up and verifying at new casinos when im already pat at one or 2 I know no hassle and pays

lower rtp slots suck; but not enough im going to play elsewhere (at this stage)
 
Minxxx said:
Gamomat is a new favourite provider of mine as well as Oryx Gaming... And in between tossing up weither to add Quick Spin to my list :)
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I have always liked gamomat slots, but since the regulations kicked in here in Sweden, i have not had many places to play them.
But now more and more sites seem to be adding them back.

I think they play similar to novomatic slots, wich i also like.
Gamomat have their slots at 96% rtp compared to novomatics 95%, and a little extra rtp is never wrong. =)
 

Hi Deepsky2,

We did post a news about changing RTP on providers last year. In the Redtiger games there was also a notification about it first time you started the game.

You can also use "Game Payouts" which updates the actual and theoretical RTP on a daily basis if there are any changes, date and time is shown.
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. That page you can use to start games and then you know the RTP before you start playing. As you see on image below, its very clear and transparent for those players who wish to know the RTP before they start a game.

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However, the feedback is noted and we will try to make it even more clear in the future.

Best regards,

Team Videoslots
 
Casinomeister said:
Like I said, I am done with this. You can only give someone enough chances - but he has been given more than his share.
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Do you have any view on the topic, adding which RTP version casinos are using to the reviews, or would that be too much work? Or maybe a sub forum with each casino listed with closed topics that only reps can post in, each casino with it's own thread to list RTP models of each provider then they could update it themselves to lessen the workload?

What about, adding to the accreditation standards that if a casino changes the RTP of its games, then they have to make an announcement on the forum, or at least have a pop up on screen when someone logs into the casino stating RTP has been changed? Most reps are happy to use the forum as a tool for acquisition or retention, surely it should work both ways? You can be sure if they were increasing the RTP it would be announced. It's something most players feel strongly about and is clearly important.
 

don't forget that many of the casinos accredited here are working not only in UK, but also on other markets, where the casino settings can be different.

Casino "XYZ.com" can apply 96% in UK (and not willing to change it), but also 84%, 90% or 94% (or whatever) on other Countries as Italy, Spain, Belgium, France, DK and so on. But it's the same casino. Same name.

Also, the commercial strategies can be different. It can be that for istance in UK a single casino has no will to change RTPs and it keeps going on with the usual ones, while the same casino, but on other markets, is more "open" to change these settings, even frequently, due to different taxations, competition, or simple greed.

I think it is too much work, unless you do it valid just for UK.
 

But bonuses are country specific a lot of the time, and they are listed. Plus, that was part the reason I suggested a sub forum, while it could be a lot of work setting up and keeping on top of for the reviews, a rep wouldn't take more than 30 minutes to write a post, and 2 minutes to update the thread when required. It could even be simpler for them. Have a sticky at the top of the sub forum with each provider that offers variable RTP's and every RTP setting they offer, obviously not per game, but it could be something like

Play N Go

A 96%
B 94%
C 92%
D 88%
E 82%

Then in the individual casino threads all the rep has to do is list every provider with variable RTP's along with the letter, so for example, they could do

UK

Pragmatic Play - A
NetEnt - B
Play N Go - B

RoW

Pragmatic Play - A
NetEnt - A
Play N Go - A

That would literally take less than 10 minutes to sort out for the rep, it could be a condition of staying accredited to start a thread with them listed within say a month, and a condition to reply any time a change was made (reply not edit so the thread is bumped and people can see a change has been made). It would also highlight which reps aren't active any more, as some clearly aren't now.
 
Why are novomatic RTPs given their volatility never discussed? All games run at about 95%? Perfect RTP for an operator and still great for players. Landbased you are playing them between 88 and 92 ish... and online at 95%. Nothing wrong with that imo. Also i perosnally still opt for 95% in online casinos. I play the png personally at 94 and never submitted a complaint to the casino for shit gameplay. And although i have no clue atm about the rtp on the new netent: gorilla kingdom, but i was on the edge after the 4th feature with 4 scatters.... what predictable game.... its about the mix guys, imo.
 
L&L-Jan said:
Why are novomatic RTPs given their volatility never discussed? All games run at about 95%? Perfect RTP for an operator and still great for players. Landbased you are playing them between 88 and 92 ish... and online at 95%. Nothing wrong with that imo. Also i perosnally still opt for 95% in online casinos. I play the png personally at 94 and never submitted a complaint to the casino for shit gameplay. And although i have no clue atm about the rtp on the new netent: gorilla kingdom, but i was on the edge after the 4th feature with 4 scatters.... what predictable game.... its about the mix guys, imo.
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I tend to go the other way. PNG slots are soulsuckers when they're in a good mood. Any RTP less than max available is making me feel like I'm peeling my face off. I play the lower RTP ones very rarely.

I understand the need for operators to opt-in for lower RTP settings. But I personally don't wish to support that decision.
 
L&L-Jan said:
Why are novomatic RTPs given their volatility never discussed? All games run at about 95%? Perfect RTP for an operator and still great for players. Landbased you are playing them between 88 and 92 ish... and online at 95%. Nothing wrong with that imo. Also i perosnally still opt for 95% in online casinos. I play the png personally at 94 and never submitted a complaint to the casino for shit gameplay. And although i have no clue atm about the rtp on the new netent: gorilla kingdom, but i was on the edge after the 4th feature with 4 scatters.... what predictable game.... its about the mix guys, imo.
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Unlike other providers, their RTP's never change plus playing -/+300 spins till you get the bonus on a Novomatics slot you can (almost) always expect a decent return.

In my opinion, people, who played Novomatics know what to expect from these slots while all other players simply play casino favourite/popular slots or slots that are mentioned/played by streamers or members on CM. I guess that's the reason.

Novomatic slots would be an interesting subject to discuss, I reckon! :thumbsup:
 
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L&L-Jan said:
Why are novomatic RTPs given their volatility never discussed? All games run at about 95%? Perfect RTP for an operator and still great for players. Landbased you are playing them between 88 and 92 ish... and online at 95%. Nothing wrong with that imo. Also i perosnally still opt for 95% in online casinos. I play the png personally at 94 and never submitted a complaint to the casino for shit gameplay. And although i have no clue atm about the rtp on the new netent: gorilla kingdom, but i was on the edge after the 4th feature with 4 scatters.... what predictable game.... its about the mix guys, imo.
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Agree with what the others have said.
If Novomatic had both 96% and 95% versions, i would never play the 95%.
 
I don't have a problem with any casino using the lower RTP model, I either won't play them or play them less than I would elsewhere, but that is their choice. No different to Morrisons charging £1.20 for a loaf of bread and Tesco charging £1.00. I might buy from Morrisons if I'm there, but I would buy from tesco if I was going to both.

What I have a problem with is when Casinos change them and do it slyly. Like Videoslots, clearly deceived the members on here when they first reduced them. Like Coral, even forgetting the fact they lied and cheated player, they didn't tell anyone.

Coming out with shite like VS did about how the RTP's are displayed in game and can be checked at any time is pathetic. Who checks a game for the RTP every single time they open it? You could play it at 8am then go back at 3pm and have to check it both times, to double check it hasn't been changed at 11am, or the night before. People might check it when they first play at a casino, but how many players recheck it every time they play? That was why I made my suggestion about the reviews or a sub forum.

@Casinomeister any thoughts on that extra sub forum idea? links below to my posts on it :)

Any casino/rep willing to step up and promote high RTP

Any casino/rep willing to step up and promote high RTP
 
you just lower RTP on Netent and never informe anyone,and still refusing to make comment about it
 
I join @21casino looks like they using high RTP and good think about it their RTP is showing before you start playing the game,that is very good and fair play
P.S.
Stay away from Aspers Casino their RTP is like 92% and if you win they will refuse you to pay you or they will lock you account
 
Appreciate your response. You were once the king when it came to responding and posting to all aspects of your casino. You were really involved with your players and kept us informed but the way you first introduced the lower the rtp that is were the ball dropped. You put in the news article quietly and stopped posting new games with announcing the rtps, rewards changed for the worst. For how Videoslots once was, with reps saying that Videoslots only uses the highest rtp etc we expected more from you. Rtp is big news and one would of thought you would of been more forward with this on by posting on the forum. My personal belief and the way it looks was done quietly as you clearly knew that this was to do with profit greed and not something you did not want to share out right.
I believe the recent Netent reduction in rtp was not announced if it was correct me on this. And you don:t just choose a lower rtp seems you sometime go for the lowest possible and to me that under handing your players.

You may think your still a solid outfit with CM rating of 9.8 which in many cases you are but the poor communication and changes to your players that have been poorly received are showing in the user score which is down to 8.2 that says volumes there and that is something you should be aiming to change.
 
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Hi all,

at Kindred, we have always been taking the highest RTP. In fact, we were the first ones having games created for us with an RTP at 98 %. First a bunch of Play n Go games only for the Swedish market and more recently a bunch of Netent games, available on most markets.

When Thunderkick all of a sudden announced they were lowering the RTP on some of their games, we actually removed them from our site at that time. We did re introduce them later on with the lower RTP since we never got the option to stick with the higher RTP but at least we didn`t just lower it without informing anyone.

We have had internal discussions about lowering RTP`s but as long as we can help it within the casino team, we will always fight to keep the higher RTP active

Hope that helps

Dave
 


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