New vape tax!

[DreamRJ]

I just wanted to hear peoples thoughts on the new vape tax the government announced?

So basically I have been vaping for over 11 years now when I quit smoking and drinking at the same time.

The new tax will basically be applied on all products related to e-liquid.

Breakdown:

A 10ml bottle of juice will have an extra £2.20 tax on top of the original cost. So for me currently I buy 100/120mil bottles and use 10ml 1 and a half bottles of 18mg nic shots to make my vape juice around 2mg strength.

I used to do DIY and it was so much cheaper I did DIY for many many years, but recently I switched back to pre made juice for convenience. I do RTA vaping though so I build my own coils and do my own wicks etc.

But after extensive reading and searching, I found yes the new tax will apply to all products/ingredients. So if you bought flavour concentrates you would have to pay the same £2.20 tax on every 10ml bottle, same for the base mix of VG/PG and then the nic shots themselves.

So I can not for the life of me find any way around it.

What is more scary is the fact they are taxing all those ingredients that make up the e-liquids as well but the thing that also worries me is the consequences on the food industry that also use flavourings/VG/PG in their products too.

Surely that will cause inflation to go up and the cost of so many food products/drinks will also go up drastically from October 2026 because of the tax on those products.

You also need to register to be able to buy/sell as well as far as I understood it.

So yeah for me the 100ml bottles cost me currently £10-15 and after the new £2.20 tax per 10ml will basically cost me about £32-37 depending on the brand. I also buy 4 or 5 100ml bottles at a time from my local vape shop. Lasts 4 or 5 weeks ish. So usually a bill between £40-65 again depending on brands I get. But from October 4 bottles would be £128-148 it is totally not affordable to me nor many other people.

If I went DIY then buying the base mix again would not be much cheaper either now because the tax of £2.20 would still be applied, so currently let me give you an idea, a 1litre bottle of VG/PG base mix costs on average £12 so that would be 10ml X100 X £2.20 = £220 + £12 original cost. So £232 then that does not include the cost of the nic shots or flavourings which again would have exactly the same tax on. So yes it is totally totally disgusting.

What is worse though if Labour did not introduce it, it would have been the tories anyway. I think everyone has been waiting for a tax on vaping products for a very long time.

But to tax the actual ingredients that make the e-liquid is a very very bad move because it will impact everyone who buys products that also have those ingredients in them.

I really got no idea what I will do now when it comes into force. If anyone can think of any solutions, please do let me know

Thank you

 

[DreamRJ]

I suppose I could buy 5litre of base mix before October 2026 comes in and switch back to DIY and stock up on flavourings. Then will just get the nic shots from my local shop which will only cost £3.20 a shot that will be much cheaper that way then I think.

I mean until October 2026 comes we will not know if the online shops that sell base mix will apply the tax to it, because the place I used was a wholesale. It was not a vape store at all. Lucemill was the name of it. So maybe we will see nearer the time.

 

[Webzcas]

Surely PG and VG will not be taxed? If they were then that is a big LOL right there and yet another massive own goal by this shambles of a Labour Govt.

Like you, I used to mix my own. I can still get hold of a litre of Nicotine at 72mg strength for around £60.

Will buy a couple of bottles and store in the fridge / freezer. 2 litres alone should last me approx 4 - 5 years.
Likewise, I will stock up on pg and vg along with a lot of my favourite concentrates before the tax comes in.

Then I can revisit the problem in 2031 or thereabouts

 

[slot_zombie]

No, they are not taxing the base ingredients at all. What they have said is that duty will apply to the finished product in all circumstances, including to home made liquids.

.....Good luck enforcing that one..

 

[Reelsoffun]

There is quite a bit of evidence now that vaping is just as bad as smoking if not worse?

I can’t help but feel just like smokers were duped into smoking cigarettes, that we going to see the same with vaping down the line that the long term health results are going to be similar with many realising too late.

So you could just stop vaping and save all the tax and ya health

 

[sufferinsilence]

There is quite a bit of evidence now that vaping is just as bad as smoking if not worse?

I can’t help but feel just like smokers were duped into smoking cigarettes, that we going to see the same with vaping down the line that the long term health results are going to be similar with many realising too late.

So you could just stop vaping and save all the tax and ya health

And have more money to gamble!

 

[DreamRJ]

No, they are not taxing the base ingredients at all. What they have said is that duty will apply to the finished product in all circumstances, including to home made liquids.

.....Good luck enforcing that one..

Yeah but what makes you think that is the case?

I have been googling and looking in reddits, forums etc and even after reading the actual government paper with all the clauses etc.

2.33 All vaping products will be within the scope of the duty including those produced at home from base ingredients, such as propylene glycol, vegetable glycerin, flavourings and nicotine.

That is the clause that has got me thinking otherwise. So like I said it really does look like it will apply to those 3 ingredients.

@Reelsoffun - Yes I quit smoking and drinking overnight, but that was not as hard because I turned to vaping at the same time, yes I only started on those actual vapes that was the same size as a cigarette but they helped some what but it was not the easiest thing to do. I struggled for about a month, until I no longer craved a cigarette.

It is not that easy just to quit for me when it comes to getting nicotine into my system. I have already slowly reduced the strength I vape. I have been Sub Ohm for about 8 years now and I was on 6mg at first now I am down to 1.5mg strength.

And honestly I do not get why you think that vaping is harmless when the main 3 ingredients that I just mentioned that goes into the vapes is also in food and drink products.

The only thing that is a risk is the combustion aspect because the coils still burn the liquid to produce the hit as you inhale. That can produce very very very tiny amounts of formaldehyde. That has been extensively tested for years now and the levels are at acceptable levels, compared to smoking which is far far higher. And the vapour from them that you breath out contains next to none because it is basically like water vapour.

I do not know if you are one of those people that does not vape or not or just hears about stuff or reads comments that people make to scare people or not but vaping is 95% safer than smoking and even doctors say that as well.

Only thing doctors are worried about is when people vape THC. That is what causes problems with the lungs.

I never vape THC and never will.

 

[justdoit]

There is quite a bit of evidence now that vaping is just as bad as smoking if not worse?

I can’t help but feel just like smokers were duped into smoking cigarettes, that we going to see the same with vaping down the line that the long term health results are going to be similar with many realising too late.

So you could just stop vaping and save all the tax and ya health

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[DreamRJ]

Surely PG and VG will not be taxed? If they were then that is a big LOL right there and yet another massive own goal by this shambles of a Labour Govt.

Like you, I used to mix my own. I can still get hold of a litre of Nicotine at 72mg strength for around £60.

Will buy a couple of bottles and store in the fridge / freezer. 2 litres alone should last me approx 4 - 5 years.
Likewise, I will stock up on pg and vg along with a lot of my favourite concentrates before the tax comes in.

Then I can revisit the problem in 2031 or thereabouts

Yeah I think that is the only options we will have. I will buy some a month before October then check again the same sites I bought the base mix from Lucemill and see if they increased the price with the tax, if they did not, then we will know we will be fine to do DIY then.

Like I said the only actual cost is the nic shots. I do not like to buy the 72mg bottles of nicotine I just prefer to buy the 18mg strength because then it is easy to do the maths.

Fingers crossed it will not apply to the 3 ingredients but at the moment all signs are pointing that it is including that clause I just posted about above.

 

[Webzcas]

There is quite a bit of evidence now that vaping is just as bad as smoking if not worse?

I can’t help but feel just like smokers were duped into smoking cigarettes, that we going to see the same with vaping down the line that the long term health results are going to be similar with many realising too late.

So you could just stop vaping and save all the tax and ya health

Really? I have been vaping since 2014, some ten years now since I stopped smoking. I can attest to the fact that:

• My cardio is the best it has ever been
• No longer have smokers cough
• No longer smell like an ashtray
• Do not wake up every morning having to hack up half a lung
• I am no longer polluting my body with carcinogens

I am not saying that vaping does not come with some risks. But seriously it is far far far far far more safer than smoking and I also do not pollute the people around me.

Vaping was the only thing that stopped me smoking. There is a reason why health services have advocated its use to help people give up smoking.

The ONLY reason the govt are looking at taxing it into the stone age, is to be able to get back lost tax revenues as a result of people giving up smoking due to it.

 

[mulven]

I think vaping is bad for you but all I'll say is I far prefer walking past someone whos just puffed a very pleasant fruity smelling vape than someone smoking.

 

[Webzcas]

I think vaping is bad for you but all I'll say is I far prefer walking past someone whos just puffed a very pleasant fruity smelling vape than someone smoking.

No one is saying it is 100% safe. But other than those that sub ohm chucking clouds everywhere they go which is annoying to those around them, there is absolutely no risk to those who are in the vicinity of people vaping. The same cannot be said for smoking.

My life, my choice. I am not harming anyone and it got me off a killer product that is tobacco. Yet, now plans for punitive taxation.

 

[DreamRJ]

I think vaping is bad for you but all I'll say is I far prefer walking past someone whos just puffed a very pleasant fruity smelling vape than someone smoking.

Yep that's the thing I hated the most as soon as I quit too, walking past or stood around outside and someone sparks up and you instantly walk away from it because of how disgusting it smells I hate the smell of it since I quit.

It is actually very strange that for years as a smoker I had no issues but as soon as I quit I hated it.

I totally understood why none smokers always complained now and it is 100% understandable, the amount of deaths that occurred due to passive smoking is insane as well.

Honestly as I stated above the only potential harmful chemical that gets produced from the burning of the coils is very very tiny amounts of formaldehyde and as I said above the amounts are far far far lower than a cigarette and is in acceptable levels.

And yes the fruity flavours are my fav.

My all time fav flavour right now is Pear Drops. Reminds me of when I was a kid.

 

[andysbetting1187]

I just wanted to hear peoples thoughts on the new vape tax the government announced?

So basically I have been vaping for over 11 years now when I quit smoking and drinking at the same time.

The new tax will basically be applied on all products related to e-liquid.

Breakdown:

A 10ml bottle of juice will have an extra £2.20 tax on top of the original cost. So for me currently I buy 100/120mil bottles and use 10ml 1 and a half bottles of 18mg nic shots to make my vape juice around 2mg strength.

I used to do DIY and it was so much cheaper I did DIY for many many years, but recently I switched back to pre made juice for convenience. I do RTA vaping though so I build my own coils and do my own wicks etc.

But after extensive reading and searching, I found yes the new tax will apply to all products/ingredients. So if you bought flavour concentrates you would have to pay the same £2.20 tax on every 10ml bottle, same for the base mix of VG/PG and then the nic shots themselves.

So I can not for the life of me find any way around it.

What is more scary is the fact they are taxing all those ingredients that make up the e-liquids as well but the thing that also worries me is the consequences on the food industry that also use flavourings/VG/PG in their products too.

Surely that will cause inflation to go up and the cost of so many food products/drinks will also go up drastically from October 2026 because of the tax on those products.

You also need to register to be able to buy/sell as well as far as I understood it.

So yeah for me the 100ml bottles cost me currently £10-15 and after the new £2.20 tax per 10ml will basically cost me about £32-37 depending on the brand. I also buy 4 or 5 100ml bottles at a time from my local vape shop. Lasts 4 or 5 weeks ish. So usually a bill between £40-65 again depending on brands I get. But from October 4 bottles would be £128-148 it is totally not affordable to me nor many other people.

If I went DIY then buying the base mix again would not be much cheaper either now because the tax of £2.20 would still be applied, so currently let me give you an idea, a 1litre bottle of VG/PG base mix costs on average £12 so that would be 10ml X100 X £2.20 = £220 + £12 original cost. So £232 then that does not include the cost of the nic shots or flavourings which again would have exactly the same tax on. So yes it is totally totally disgusting.

What is worse though if Labour did not introduce it, it would have been the tories anyway. I think everyone has been waiting for a tax on vaping products for a very long time.

But to tax the actual ingredients that make the e-liquid is a very very bad move because it will impact everyone who buys products that also have those ingredients in them.

I really got no idea what I will do now when it comes into force. If anyone can think of any solutions, please do let me know

Thank you

I started DIY for vaping about 7 years ago and have not looked back. Garage is stocked with 72mg nicotine kept in a deep freezer (enough to last at least 5 years)

I get my concentrates from the same company that provide my nicotine (getting hold of 72mg nicotine in the UK can be difficult but not impossible - comes from a pharma lab in Europe to get around the restrictions). I currently pay £40 for a litre of 72mg nicotine, and £6.50 for 500ml concentrate. I vape a 50/50 mix at 3mg - works out (roughly) I am paying around £8-12 per 1 litre of eliquid which I am happy with

Going to buy another chest freezer for the garage and put a big order in - nicotine won't freeze so will theoretically last forever in the freezer so will stock up again next year so i can swerve the vape tax

 

[andysbetting1187]

Surely PG and VG will not be taxed? If they were then that is a big LOL right there and yet another massive own goal by this shambles of a Labour Govt.

Like you, I used to mix my own. I can still get hold of a litre of Nicotine at 72mg strength for around £60.

Will buy a couple of bottles and store in the fridge / freezer. 2 litres alone should last me approx 4 - 5 years.
Likewise, I will stock up on pg and vg along with a lot of my favourite concentrates before the tax comes in.

Then I can revisit the problem in 2031 or thereabouts

They won;t directly tax PG and VG mate - its a base ingredient for lots of different products the knock on effect across industries would be horrendous.

 

[Webzcas]

@andysbetting1187 please send me a DM with the details of the company you get your nic from

 

[mulven]

@andysbetting1187 please send me a DM with the details of the company you get your nic from

webzcas boutta become the walter white of the UK vape industry

 

[Webzcas]

Haha not quite

 

[DreamRJ]

I started DIY for vaping about 7 years ago and have not looked back. Garage is stocked with 72mg nicotine kept in a deep freezer (enough to last at least 5 years)

I get my concentrates from the same company that provide my nicotine (getting hold of 72mg nicotine in the UK can be difficult but not impossible - comes from a pharma lab in Europe to get around the restrictions). I currently pay £40 for a litre of 72mg nicotine, and £6.50 for 500ml concentrate. I vape a 50/50 mix at 3mg - works out (roughly) I am paying around £8-12 per 1 litre of eliquid which I am happy with

Going to buy another chest freezer for the garage and put a big order in - nicotine won't freeze so will theoretically last forever in the freezer so will stock up again next year so i can swerve the vape tax

Ok yeah but how do you do the maths on how much 72mg strength you use to take it down to 3mg?

For me buying the 18mg shots is much much easier maths for a 100ml bottle. 15ml nic shots(18mg) 15ml flavour 90ml base mix, the bottles I have are actually 120ml but I just call them 100ml the extra 20ml space in the bottles is for the nic shots.

So that takes mine down to around 2mg strength. It is easier because the nic shots are 10ml so you know that that 10ml has 18mg strength in it etc.

EDIT: 2/72 X100 = 2.5ml of nicotine - I answered it myself was just lazy lol

 

[andysbetting1187]

@andysbetting1187 please send me a DM with the details of the company you get your nic from

Done sir

Really good company - they have just increased their prices but even at £60 quid a litre, its a steal because to make 3mg at 50/50, you only need 30ml of nicotine to 970ml of base to 1 litre will make up 33 litres of 3mg base mix

 

[andysbetting1187]

Ok yeah but how do you do the maths on how much 72mg strength you use to take it down to 3mg?

For me buying the 18mg shots is much much easier maths for a 100ml bottle. 15ml nic shots(18mg) 15ml flavour 90ml base mix, the bottles I have are actually 120ml but I just call them 100ml the extra 20ml space in the bottles is for the nic shots.

So that takes mine down to around 2mg strength. It is easier because the nic shots are 10ml so you know that that 10ml has 18mg strength in it etc.

I do it over a litre - so for 1 litre of base mix (no concentrate), you need 30ml of 7.2mg nicotine and 970ml of base mix (works out at not a true 3mg, more like a 2.8) but ive been using it for years and its decent. Then use the 1 litre of base mix (with the nicotine) to add to concentrates

 

[DreamRJ]

I do it over a litre - so for 1 litre of base mix (no concentrate), you need 30ml of 7.2mg nicotine and 970ml of base mix (works out at not a true 3mg, more like a 2.8) but ive been using it for years and its decent. Then use the 1 litre of base mix (with the nicotine) to add to concentrates

That is actually a very efficient way of doing it. I will consider that myself then. Thanks

 

[andysbetting1187]

Ok yeah but how do you do the maths on how much 72mg strength you use to take it down to 3mg?

For me buying the 18mg shots is much much easier maths for a 100ml bottle. 15ml nic shots(18mg) 15ml flavour 90ml base mix, the bottles I have are actually 120ml but I just call them 100ml the extra 20ml space in the bottles is for the nic shots.

So that takes mine down to around 2mg strength. It is easier because the nic shots are 10ml so you know that that 10ml has 18mg strength in it etc.

EDIT: 2/72 X100 = 2.5ml of nicotine - I answered it myself was just lazy lol

I used to use 18mg nic shots but when making a 1 litre base mix, I would use 500ml PG, 350ml VG and 150ml of nicotine at 18mg (so 15 VG nic shots)

When I moved to 72mg nicotine I now use 500ml PG, 470ml VG and only 30ml nicotine so the long term cost savings from moving to 72mg was insane (especially with the amount i vape) when buying nic in 1 litre or 5 litre bottles instead of shots

Once I have the base liquid made, I then usually make up a load of different flavours (100ml bottle, 15% concentrate and the rest the base liquid). Thats why my 3mg is more like a 2.8 becuase I don't factor in the conentrate dilution in a 100ml bottle but I vape a freemax mesh pro quad coil at 90w so don't really want anything above a 2.8/3mg anyway - been on this latest setup for years now and wrorks well (for me)

Only thing i would say is that if you are buying 1 litre+ of 72mg nicotine keep it somewhere safe in the house/garage, especially if you have kids etc. don't want them mistaking it for water and drinking it by mistake - at that strength its literally lethal if not mixed properly

 

[andysbetting1187]

That is actually a very efficient way of doing it. I will consider that myself then. Thanks

Just works out really cost effective if you are a heavy vaper/cloud chaser. I work from home all day so I couldn;t ;afford retail prices so buy in bulk instead. Currently I have the following at home:

5 litres of 72mg nicotine
20 litres of premixed 50/50
1 litre concentrates of the following:
Red Energy
Blackcurrant and liqourice
Hesinberg
Red Astaire
Creme Egg
Chocolate Milk

If the zombie apocalypse every happens, as long as i can charge my batteries I will have enough to see the next few years out lol

 

[Webzcas]

Ok yeah but how do you do the maths on how much 72mg strength you use to take it down to 3mg?

There are loads of mix calculators online. Here is one:

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I dare say AI can also help as well.

 

[andysbetting1187]

There are loads of mix calculators online. Here is one:

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I dare say AI can also help as well.

Quite a few people i know in the vaping world weigh instead of going down the ml/% route - I just can't be arsed i know im not getting a true 3mg but it suits me and I am not sitting there with weighing scales - prefer the old "just throw it in" methodology lol

 

[Webzcas]

Yep, all you need is a couple of syringes, mixing jug and bottles, lots of bottles LOL

 

[DreamRJ]

Ok yeah I live alone so no kids to worry about. I will be sticking with pre made for the time being until I am forced to switch to DIY then I will probably hit you up with the site you get the 72mg nic from in the future, still 20 months before we all fully have to be worried lol.

The thing with me currently is I do not like to vape out of date vape juice either, some flavours that are out of date taste really bad but some do taste ok when they are passed their best before date.

Also with base mix I am the same, I have always been fussy with dates on food products etc. So because VG/PG is basically used in food I am just the same with the base mix too. I still got 1 and a half litres of base mix I did not use because I switched to pre made juice about 16 months ago. So that has now expired, last year. So I will probably just put that down the sink and then wash the bottles out and use them when needed for the mix you just stated.

But something did just cross my mind I imagine that the site you currently buy the 1 litre bottles of 72mg nicotine will probably cease to send to the uk because essentially that could be then stopped at customs when it is headed into the UK from outside. They can then cease it too. So even if you are able to buy it outside the uk the issue will come from trying to import it.

But like you said you can just freeze it. I did not even know you could freeze nicotine lol. Good to know though.

 

[goatwack]

Wow, seems our commie overlords really want to suck the joy out of any vice, don't they!

Having switched from smoking twelve years ago to vaping, it has been quite the industry transformation in terms of choice and availability, a far cry from the cigarette-shaped, three-tokes-and-you're-done Green Smoke, back in the day!

Not a direct-to-lung, sub-ohm afficionado and so am not overly versed in the complexities of mixing liquids.

As and when I do partake, I just buy commercially available bottles here and there, if just for the flavour difference VG-heavy liquids provide.

Looks like I might take seven hours re-reading the finer points of mixing, buying base liquids and essentially becoming a nicotine 'prepper' as the time is nigh!

Would also use a dripper for the longest time, but succumbed to easy-of-use and convenience in the end.

So I take it the 'mouth-to-lung' devotees will be hit hardest, as the Government opts to make an example out of them, huh. What of PG-heavy mixing? Is the process as tickety-boo as the others? What if the concentrate flavours suck and one's lumbered with it? Man, I'm gonna have to brush up for real!

Just don't be surprised if they start taxing coils to hell and back. After all, as any packaging will attest to, its contents are warned to 'contain nicotine', a real shocker for those wishing to suck bits of metal and cotton

 

[Webzcas]

There are absolutely loads of places online you can get flavour concentrates from. Like finding your favourite flavoured eliquid, a case of trial and error.

Whether you sub-ohm or mouth to lung which I now do, it doesn't matter. With the numerous mixing calculators online you can make whatever mix you desire.

 

[DreamRJ]

Wow, seems our commie overlords really want to suck the joy out of any vice, don't they!

Having switched from smoking twelve years ago to vaping, it has been quite the industry transformation in terms of choice and availability, a far cry from the cigarette-shaped, three-tokes-and-you're-done Green Smoke, back in the day!

Not a direct-to-lung, sub-ohm afficionado and so am not overly versed in the complexities of mixing liquids.

As and when I do partake, I just buy commercially available bottles here and there, if just for the flavour difference VG-heavy liquids provide.

Looks like I might take seven hours re-reading the finer points of mixing, buying base liquids and essentially becoming a nicotine 'prepper' as the time is nigh!

Would also use a dripper for the longest time, but succumbed to easy-of-use and convenience in the end.

So I take it the 'mouth-to-lung' devotees will be hit hardest, as the Government opts to make an example out of them, huh. What of PG-heavy mixing? Is the process as tickety-boo as the others? What if the concentrate flavours suck and one's lumbered with it? Man, I'm gonna have to brush up for real!

Just don't be surprised if they start taxing coils to hell and back. After all, as any packaging will attest to, its contents are warned to 'contain nicotine', a real shocker for those wishing to suck bits of metal and cotton

IT is not to complicated you can buy loads of different sized bottles on amazon or other well known sites.

As for flavours you are correct, some flavours can taste different to how they smell from the bottles sometimes, so what ever flavours you use right now is the ones you should just buy the flavour concentrates for. That way you will know you like those flavours than be stuck with a batch you did not like and throwing it away.

I was one of those naughty DIY'ers in the sense that I made the 100ml bottles then I had smaller 30ml bottles I put the flavour in with some of the base mix that had the nicotine in it already. That way if the new flavour I just used in the 30ml batch bottle was not nice it is not much to waste and throw away.

But that is not the way to go you need to steep your juice for at least 2 weeks so the flavour can get better, the longer you steep them for the better, so best to make 10 100ml bottles in advance every now and again so they have enough time to steep. The 30mil bottles I did was only steeping usually for 1 day sometimes 2 days max. I did have multiple 30ml bottles on the go as well at any 1 time as well.

But honestly it is not to bad when you switch to DIY and it was a lot cheaper than buying your juice daily/weekly from a local shop etc.

But the tax could change it if they do tax the VG/PG/Flavours as well as the nicotine but we do not fully know yet until October 2026, but if you need any help with it just let me know I am happy to explain more.

 

[andysbetting1187]

Ok yeah I live alone so no kids to worry about. I will be sticking with pre made for the time being until I am forced to switch to DIY then I will probably hit you up with the site you get the 72mg nic from in the future, still 20 months before we all fully have to be worried lol.

The thing with me currently is I do not like to vape out of date vape juice either, some flavours that are out of date taste really bad but some do taste ok when they are passed their best before date.

Also with base mix I am the same, I have always been fussy with dates on food products etc. So because VG/PG is basically used in food I am just the same with the base mix too. I still got 1 and a half litres of base mix I did not use because I switched to pre made juice about 16 months ago. So that has now expired, last year. So I will probably just put that down the sink and then wash the bottles out and use them when needed for the mix you just stated.

But something did just cross my mind I imagine that the site you currently buy the 1 litre bottles of 72mg nicotine will probably cease to send to the uk because essentially that could be then stopped at customs when it is headed into the UK from outside. They can then cease it too. So even if you are able to buy it outside the uk the issue will come from trying to import it.

But like you said you can just freeze it. I did not even know you could freeze nicotine lol. Good to know though.

Some of the juices do taste bad but to be honest, a lot of that comes from the mixing process. When you are doing the DIY side, the concentrates normally have a shelf life of over 2 years, but I keep mine in a wardrobe away from heat/sunlight and they are still good. Certain flavours (like fruits or sweet flavours) will lose their potency quicker than others. Even when concentrates are in the sale they have a shelf life of around 1 year but it is much longer than that provided you don't mix it up. What kills the concentrates is when they are mixed and then left for a long time (18 months) but even then it can still be good.

Base mix won't go off - you can always tell by the smell but if it is not mixed with a concentrate, you can store it in the freezer and it will be fine - same with nicotine it won't freeze it just stays cool

When I know i am going to make a couple of litres up, i take my 30ml nicotine bottles out of the freezer and just let them thaw out for a day before using - although it doesn't freeze it does go a little bit like a sludge but its fine as soon as it is back to room temprature

Don't forget if you want to get really creative, when making your DIY liquids add a couple of drops of food colouring - makes no diffeence to the taste but you can make some really interesting couloured liquids lol

 

[dunover]

Yes, the 100ml nicotine-free juices are as cheap as chips and should be excluded from the tax, even if it remains on the 6-20mg 10ml fluids. Spoken as one who found it so easy to quit smoking via far less risky vaping.

P.S. My theory on the few cases of severe pneumonic infections and conditions attributed to vaping is germ infection. The mouthpieces harbour saliva and bacteria at room temperature or warmer and if present inhaling them deeply could trigger such reactions. So don't share vapes and clean them daily.

 

[justdoit]

Really? I have been vaping since 2014, some ten years now since I stopped smoking. I can attest to the fact that:

• My cardio is the best it has ever been
• No longer have smokers cough
• No longer smell like an ashtray
• Do not wake up every morning having to hack up half a lung
• I am no longer polluting my body with carcinogens

I am not saying that vaping does not come with some risks. But seriously it is far far far far far more safer than smoking and I also do not pollute the people around me.

Vaping was the only thing that stopped me smoking. There is a reason why health services have advocated its use to help people give up smoking.

The ONLY reason the govt are looking at taxing it into the stone age, is to be able to get back lost tax revenues as a result of people giving up smoking due to it.

I also stop smoking 5 years now, I run 5 days a week from 15km to 20km, this morning run I did 17.46km

 

[andysbetting1187]

Yes, the 100ml nicotine-free juices are as cheap as chips and should be excluded from the tax, even if it remains on the 6-20mg 10ml fluids. Spoken as one who found it so easy to quit smoking via far less risky vaping.

P.S. My theory on the few cases of severe pneumonic infections and conditions attributed to vaping is germ infection. The mouthpieces harbour saliva and bacteria at room temperature or warmer and if present inhaling them deeply could trigger such reactions. So don't share vapes and clean them daily.

Costs them pennies to make the liquids.

Also change coils regularly - some coils have excellent longevitiy but they get coated in all sorts of germs and crap from being in your pocket/carried all the time. When they start to go black, swop them out (cheap enough anyway these days)

I was in the local vape shop last week speaking to the owner and he has now stopped stocking 21700 and 20700 batteries as apparently the cost to ship them has gone silly due to the restrictions on lithium batteries.

 

[justdoit]

That is actually a very efficient way of doing it. I will consider that myself then. Thanks

£1 shop they sell now vape 600puffs for a quit, vape shops they have some 10000puffs for £8,

 

[andysbetting1187]

I also stop smoking 5 years now, I run 5 days a week from 15km to 20km, this morning run I did 17.46km
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I do the same distance

Only difference is I do it in my car, with my vaping device lol

 

[dunover]

£1 shop they sell now vape 600puffs for a quit, vape shops they have some 10000puffs for £8,

Yes, I'd prefer ones supplied by UK manufacturers that don't consist of rat urine, industrial solvents and turkish delight syrup with a bit of air freshener thrown in.

 

[goatwack]

Tried some disposable vapes the other week, the scourge of Western civilization, to see what all the hoo-ha was truly about....

I'm pleased to report that they are indeed absurd, huge blocks of non-degradable plastic with around 2ml of wispy sugar goop contained therein. Overpriced and without doubt aimed at teenagers and below, the day they're abolished I'm all for it

 

[Webzcas]

Hate disposable vapes. A few months back at the hospital in Bristol and late at night went to the car to get our waters. Dropped my mod and the tank decided to smash into oblivion. The only place I could get a replacement was at a 24hr garage, a disposable vape. 21 MG!!!!!!!

They had nothing weaker. It literally gave me a headache!!

Even when I started vaping to come off the cigarettes I never went up to that strength. I vape either 3mg or 6mg nowadays FYI

 

[goatwack]

Can't say I've seen it sold past 20ml in any format, certainly not in any walk-in retail outlet. Sounds a bit fishy in all fairness, likely 'supplied' to that destination by none other than Sanjay the bootlegger

A lot of the cheaper juices such as 88Vape et al do still err on the higher end of PG, often in the 70/30 or even 80/20 range, which is obviously the proper way to vape as you'll get a throat-hit

The 3/6 mg dilution is clearly nicotine-light in view to the way it's inhaled via 'direct-to-lungs', and greater for flavour, but on its own, just not enough for all day vaping.

I made the initial rookie mistake of thinking PG-oriented liquids would work 'just fine' in a mod, or for when suspiciously low on suitable liquids. Let's just say there's a reason why the nicotine's at those levels. Nearly blew my nipples off!

 

[lockinlove]

I have a very hard time believing vaping is worse than smoking. If anything it has to be quite a bit better. Whatever studies you read, try and find who funded it. Deep down the ladder you may find a tobacco company funded it.

 

[Ocyleony]

I switched to mixing my own juice ages ago, costs way less and you can tweak the flavors exactly how you like. Just stock up on nicotine before taxes hit harder.

 

[kg2025]

I was vaping for years but went back smoking after my dad had a stroke , I went to the garage to buy a pack of fag's and they were 18 euro , wtf . Bought tobacco instead . But now is tobacco costs 24 euro for a 30g pouch. Everyone I know that smokes gets their friends/ family to buy them tobacco when they go on holidays. My boss went to Thailand and brought me back 10 x 50 g pouchs and it was only 120 euro. The goverment are losing a load of money by being to greedy .

 

[Ocyleony]

I’ve been stocking up through *snip* before any changes kick in. It’s been way cheaper that way, especially now with this new tax thing causing prices to creep up. Few buddies and I split bulk orders and it saves a decent chunk. If you’re using regularly, it might be worth going that route until things settle.

 

[dunover]

I’ve been stocking up through *snip* before any changes kick in. It’s been way cheaper that way, especially now with this new tax thing causing prices to creep up. Few buddies and I split bulk orders and it saves a decent chunk. If you’re using regularly, it might be worth going that route until things settle.

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Thanks!

 

[andysbetting1187]

Made my eliquid up today - 900ml going in the fridge (500ml of Red Bull, 400ml of Black Ice) - will keep me going for the next month or so