Yggdrasil fake games

[donpedro]

I think, all yggdrasil gamed are fake, the same as nettent games. And if you playing both that games you can see how the game runs..and it runs on the same type ..gives payout...than immedialty takes ...10-20 ...even more empty spins

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[donpedro]

Yggdrasil

Many many times on Holmes collecting 4 stones...but why we cant get 5 th? How do you think why if game are so fair and RNG???

 

[AnnaTS]

Slots aren't random it may have RNG which is a random number generator but they sure aren't random i think that is were people get confused because it has the word random in it, I don't play yggdrasil slots because they don't have them were i play so i don't know what slot you are talking about sorry, I think if i was to play one of their slots it would been the vikings slots with the sticky wilds.

 

[lockinlove]

Yeah some of their games are weighted thats why. Its the same for vikings go rigged. You get close to berserk and then the rtp turns way down sucking your money quite terribly. Seems the same for stones as I have noticed it very tough to get the 5th and usually drains you for a bit before it spits it out.

It doesnt mean you cant win big. Its just whether it chooses its your lucky time or not

 

[lotusch]

I see more and more people bump their heads against the stone cold slots from Ygdrassil..
Just stay away from them, they ain't worth playing unless you have a super sized bankroll and can afford to lose a couple of thousands first before you get anything back..

 

[tataru]

this should be merged with the holmes yggdrasil thread.

but what is this about the rtp getting changed? that sounds really strange and idon't think that happens.
what might be the case is like with the holmes game the last whatever-u-need is (way) harder to get
than the items before.

i yhink yggdrasil is worse then netent, with the exception of maybe the dragon slot and the monkey slot.
in general the free games are way too hard to trigger and the return doesn't make up for it.

they LOOK and SOUND really good though. feels almost like mediation playing them.
u meditate and ur guru is Yggdrasil, keeping his tree hands wide open

 

[TheAddict]

this should be merged with the holmes yggdrasil thread.

but what is this about the rtp getting changed? that sounds really strange and idon't think that happens.
what might be the case is like with the holmes game the last whatever-u-need is (way) harder to get
than the items before.

i yhink yggdrasil is worse then netent, with the exception of maybe the dragon slot and the monkey slot.
in general the free games are way too hard to trigger and the return doesn't make up for it.

they LOOK and SOUND really good though. feels almost like mediation playing them.
u meditate and ur guru is Yggdrasil, keeping his tree hands wide open

Just curious, but this holmes game playing in a way that the last -whatever you need- is way harder to get, and presumably alike with vikings go wild... isnt there some sort of info in the paytable stating something to explain this? if it be something simple as 'the odds of obtaining the final symbol(s) required to enter the feature with the highest paying potential are increased' . Or does either of these games restore previous sessions if you deposit the following day and continue the game and not reset the progress already achieved?
If neither, then this spunkdrizzle of a provider can kiss my perky white arse before they get 1p out of me, surely low rollers would get eaten alive in the long run if they were unaware and only ever made small deposits

 

[Mr Wild]

Well, Netent's previous CEO is one of the founders and the CEO of Yggdrasil.

 

[lockinlove]

this should be merged with the holmes yggdrasil thread.

but what is this about the rtp getting changed? that sounds really strange and idon't think that happens.
what might be the case is like with the holmes game the last whatever-u-need is (way) harder to get
than the items before.

i yhink yggdrasil is worse then netent, with the exception of maybe the dragon slot and the monkey slot.
in general the free games are way too hard to trigger and the return doesn't make up for it.

they LOOK and SOUND really good though. feels almost like mediation playing them.
u meditate and ur guru is Yggdrasil, keeping his tree hands wide open

Well call it whatever you want....weighted, decrease in rtp, rigged etc.

As can been seen in the vikings go berserk thread and others, its clear something happens when you reach a certain point on the berserk meters. Im currently trying to obtain 1 million spins on the slot and I currently sit at 267,000 spins. Alot of those are free play mind you but that shouldnt matter since the casinos claim they play the same. And every single time you reach 85% of the berserk meter the return to player declines dramatically. Its not just 5-25%. Its well over 50%. The chests disappear and so do the freespins or at the very least become incredibly hard to hit. The character symbols disappear too.

Im continuing on but I dont really see the point. At almost 300k spins, nothing is changing and the slot plays the same each time.

 

[illu88]

Yeah some of their games are weighted thats why. Its the same for vikings go rigged. You get close to berserk and then the rtp turns way down sucking your money quite terribly. Seems the same for stones as I have noticed it very tough to get the 5th and usually drains you for a bit before it spits it out.

It doesnt mean you cant win big. Its just whether it chooses its your lucky time or not

Yes exactly the same happened to me too a few times

 

[orion]

being myself italian and consequently being banned (restricted) by many other providers, I have been playing Yggdrasil games quite a lot.

over 500,000 ++ spins I must admit the RTP is aligned with the declared TRTP.

this on all Yggdrasil games I tried BUT one: Sherlock/Stones.
That game is pure evil and it should be audited IMPO.

 

[aceking123]

This is Holmes slot , this was my second time of playing it, the day before i had played it & lost £100 pounds could not tell you the spins played on it , this was the second time i was going to try it for another 100 quid in losses , not spins hit this , i also tried it another two days later hit the free spins on 40p bet & hit the first jackpot , 120 quid odd.

 

[orion]

This is Holmes slot , this was my second time of playing it, the day before i had played it & lost £100 pounds could not tell you the spins played on it , this was the second time i was going to try it for another 100 quid in losses , not spins hit this , i also tried it another two days later hit the free spins on 40p bet & hit the first jackpot , 120 quid odd.

so... you played this game 3 or 4 times TOTAL and you hit 2 jackpots ?

 

[aceking123]

so... you played this game 3 or 4 times TOTAL and you hit 2 jackpots ?

Yep got lucky . So I'm just saying it can happen to anyone .

 

[Dinahnana]

Yep got lucky . So I'm just saying it can happen to anyone .

Congrats. I played this game once and it decimated my balance and have never played it again although I can see the potential for wins.

 

[aceking123]

Congrats. I played this game once and it decimated my balance and have never played it again although I can see the potential for wins.

Like i play all Yggdrasil slots , i play them for amounts ie 100 quid loss , this way i dont get involved chasing if it happens it happens , if i lose i just move onto another slot ,im sure i shall give it another go at some other point , my finding is you stick with them whilst their dead your going to lose , if hot just stick on them , build games are maybe different but i think i would still play the same.

they have maybe three good games , the clones seem to be poor.

 

[trancemonkey]

Well call it whatever you want....weighted, decrease in rtp, rigged etc.

As can been seen in the vikings go berserk thread and others, its clear something happens when you reach a certain point on the berserk meters. Im currently trying to obtain 1 million spins on the slot and I currently sit at 267,000 spins. Alot of those are free play mind you but that shouldnt matter since the casinos claim they play the same. And every single time you reach 85% of the berserk meter the return to player declines dramatically. Its not just 5-25%. Its well over 50%. The chests disappear and so do the freespins or at the very least become incredibly hard to hit. The character symbols disappear too.

Im continuing on but I dont really see the point. At almost 300k spins, nothing is changing and the slot plays the same each time.

If this bit in bold is correct, then this would be illegal. You are not allowed (in most jurisdictions) to change the behaviour of the game based on something that has happened. Whilst you are allowed hold-overs / persistence, you are NOT allowed to alter the reel bands based on whether you have held something over or not. If they ARE doing this, then the relevant gambling commission (i.e UKGC) should be informed and a complaint lodged. It's extremely unfair, not to mention illegal, to do this and therefore extremely unlikely that they are.

 

[5Scatters]

I don't know if its illegal or not, but the "Holmes and stolen stones" Yggdrasil game is definitely a major user of "change game behavior when close to jackpot". The sheer number of times when I have found myself in a free spins round waiting in vain for the 5th gem with 4-5 free spins left is colossal, well over 500. It's statistically impossible that you get to 4 gems almost every round in a thousand rounds, but not even once to 5 gems. It's totally out of proportion.

This would be understandable if observable Gem frequency per reel was similar to Free Spin or Bonus icons, which are much more rare and you'll practically never see 4 (or even 3) of them land on the same reel in 10 spins (and having 3 or 4 of them on screen simultaneously is extremely rare, unlike with gems which experience this frequently), but this has to be a case of taunting players with fake "near misses" that are vastly out of proportion to what you can actually see on the reel and what you are told in the rules.

If you can easily verify that each reel has a 10 to 30% of producing a gem on each spin, then it's simply out of bounds of any imaginable variance that it fails to ever produce a fifth gem on many thousands of spins that it performs in this situation. The chance of that happening is less than one in a billion. And it consistently happens at all bet sizes, from €0.20 to €4.

I will play a bit more and write down these occurrences in detail so someone can send a proper report to UKGC.

 

[BlaCGaming]

I don't know if its illegal or not, but the "Holmes and stolen stones" Yggdrasil game is definitely a major user of "change game behavior when close to jackpot". The sheer number of times when I have found myself in a free spins round waiting in vain for the 5th gem with 4-5 free spins left is colossal, well over 500. It's statistically impossible that you get to 4 gems almost every round in a thousand rounds, but not even once to 5 gems. It's totally out of proportion.

This would be understandable if observable Gem frequency per reel was similar to Free Spin or Bonus icons, which are much more rare and you'll practically never see 4 (or even 3) of them land on the same reel in 10 spins (and having 3 or 4 of them on screen simultaneously is extremely rare, unlike with gems which experience this frequently), but this has to be a case of taunting players with fake "near misses" that are vastly out of proportion to what you can actually see on the reel and what you are told in the rules.

If you can easily verify that each reel has a 10 to 30% of producing a gem on each spin, then it's simply out of bounds of any imaginable variance that it fails to ever produce a fifth gem on many thousands of spins that it performs in this situation. The chance of that happening is less than one in a billion. And it consistently happens at all bet sizes, from €0.20 to €4.

I will play a bit more and write down these occurrences in detail so someone can send a proper report to UKGC.

Couldn´t agree more, it seems that the whole free spin round is predetermined and it already decided you will get 4 gems max, so it might be random in which spins those occur, but the result is already decided. I don´t see any other explanation for this high frequency of 4 gems each free spin feature.

 

[SlotGrinder]

so... you played this game 3 or 4 times TOTAL and you hit 2 jackpots ?

So everyone should be saying omg it's rigged you shouldn't hit jackpots that easily... for obvious reasons players only think it's rigged when it's a case of losing "too much"

RTP of a slot isn't necessarily equal for every spin . Take the game Tower Quest . Overall RTP is 96.2% . But when you start the game and haven't filled any of the red or blue meters then the rtp will be lower . When you are about to fill the meters then the rtp of each spin will be a lot higher.

So with Vikings Go Berserk the RTP relates to if you played "infinity" spins on the game then you would receive back the RTP stated . It doesn't mean that each spin is equally likely to give you back this same RTP . The reels aren't mechanical with the same chance to hit each symbol no matter what (except for some games where this is the case) . Most slots which have special wilds in features will show you less wilds in the feature . This is not riggedness this is programmed in and constitutes part of the RTP of the game. Same with progressive slots if you have big jackpots then some of the RTP of the game goes into these jackpots so inevitably you will have a lot longer periods of running way below stated RTP and a few instances of running with a much much higher RTP (such as the guy who hit 2 jackpots in a short space of time and his actual RTP is in the 1000s % )

 

[SlotGrinder]

I don't know if its illegal or not, but the "Holmes and stolen stones" Yggdrasil game is definitely a major user of "change game behavior when close to jackpot". The sheer number of times when I have found myself in a free spins round waiting in vain for the 5th gem with 4-5 free spins left is colossal, well over 500. It's statistically impossible that you get to 4 gems almost every round in a thousand rounds, but not even once to 5 gems. It's totally out of proportion.

This would be understandable if observable Gem frequency per reel was similar to Free Spin or Bonus icons, which are much more rare and you'll practically never see 4 (or even 3) of them land on the same reel in 10 spins (and having 3 or 4 of them on screen simultaneously is extremely rare, unlike with gems which experience this frequently), but this has to be a case of taunting players with fake "near misses" that are vastly out of proportion to what you can actually see on the reel and what you are told in the rules.

If you can easily verify that each reel has a 10 to 30% of producing a gem on each spin, then it's simply out of bounds of any imaginable variance that it fails to ever produce a fifth gem on many thousands of spins that it performs in this situation. The chance of that happening is less than one in a billion. And it consistently happens at all bet sizes, from €0.20 to €4.

I will play a bit more and write down these occurrences in detail so someone can send a proper report to UKGC.

Of course it's programmed in like this . Like the jackpot on any wheel or pie . Just because it looks like there is a 1/8 chance of hitting the mega jackpot on the wheel doesn't mean it is actually 1/8 . So yes getting those first 4 gems is 1000 times more likely than getting that last gem. I mean you have a point about it taunting players etc but this has been going on with every slot since forever . Think of any "match 3" type picking game . You always get 2 of the big prizes and never the 3rd . What about physical scratch cards you can buy in shops ? Always the teaser of 2 of the jackpots but the 3rd one never shows up

 

[BlaCGaming]

So yes getting those first 4 gems is 1000 times more likely than getting that last gem

It shouldn´t be more likely, it should either be that each gem appears rarely or all of them appear with the same chance/frequency. The way you describe it is just an unrealistic portrayal of actual chance, and frankly, its highly unethical. I could live with the fact of getting 1 or 2 stones within 50 features, but getting 4 everytime and no fifth? Why? The only reason is to create false hope that you are "oh so close" to getting the last one, lets try to get one more bonus round to get it. Random should be random, regardless of "previous events" in this case, getting 4 stones before the fifth.

 

[SlotGrinder]

I know what you are saying but not every component of a slot is random . You're looking at graphical representations of results . The slot already has decided if you are going to be awarded the jackpot or not . It's random as to whether you will win the jackpot or not but each "spin" is not reels landing randomly. It's just going through the motions of showing you the graphics to correlate with how much you will win . Sure you can say it's "taunting" you but if the reels realistically showed you the chance of hitting the jackpots then you would virtually never see just one of the best gems let alone get anywhere close to five of them . Slot designers make slots to make money and they obviously feel that incorporating things like this where it looks like you may have a chance makes them more money . Is it unethical ? Maybe , but slots have to be entertaining too . It goes on in pretty much every slot where there is a jackpot or picking game . Look at that mega fortune jackpot game . Get to the inner wheel quite often but do you really think you have an equal chance of landing on that mega jackpot piece of the pie as any other piece ?

 

[BlaCGaming]

I know what you are saying but not every component of a slot is random . You're looking at graphical representations of results . The slot already has decided if you are going to be awarded the jackpot or not . It's random as to whether you will win the jackpot or not but each "spin" is not reels landing randomly. It's just going through the motions of showing you the graphics to correlate with how much you will win . Sure you can say it's "taunting" you but if the reels realistically showed you the chance of hitting the jackpots then you would virtually never see just one of the best gems let alone get anywhere close to five of them . Slot designers make slots to make money and they obviously feel that incorporating things like this where it looks like you may have a chance makes them more money . Is it unethical ? Maybe , but slots have to be entertaining too .

This may be my opinion only, but I find it much more annoying than it is entertaining, I don´t want to see many gems unless I have a realistic chance of winning, thats when things would actually be exciting and entertaining.

 

[SlotGrinder]

Yeh maybe it is annoying but I think that slot designers have decided that even an annoying tease is more likely to keeping you playing than nothing happening at all . Like the fish tease in Koi Princess . That's just a dead spin but by "almost" giving you the feature they are trying to persuade you that you nearly got something good and that you should keep playing . That's what is going on with these gem teases imo they know that you know it's fake but part of your brain still believes you were nearly there and it keeps you playing more than if the bonus showed your realistic chances of winning the big jackpots which would probably make you lose interest fairly quickly .

 

[dionysus]

It shouldn´t be more likely, it should either be that each gem appears rarely or all of them appear with the same chance/frequency. The way you describe it is just an unrealistic portrayal of actual chance, and frankly, its highly unethical. I could live with the fact of getting 1 or 2 stones within 50 features, but getting 4 everytime and no fifth? Why? The only reason is to create false hope that you are "oh so close" to getting the last one, lets try to get one more bonus round to get it. Random should be random, regardless of "previous events" in this case, getting 4 stones before the fifth.

Regardless of whether the first 4 reels is a one in a one hundred chance and the last is and one in a one thousand doesn't make it any less random.
If you buy a state lotto ticket where your chance is one in say one is 1 in 340 million and a ticket to your kids school draw where only 250 tickets were sold doesn't make one draw any more or less random than the other...You'd odds are merely different between the 2.

 

[BlaCGaming]

Regardless of whether the first 4 reels is a one in a one hundred chance and the last is and one in a one thousand doesn't make it any less random.
If you buy a state lotto ticket where your chance is one in say one is 1 in 340 million and a ticket to your kids school draw where only 250 tickets were sold doesn't make one draw any more or less random than the other...You'd odds are merely different between the 2.

I´m not saying the result ins´t random, I am merely annoyed by how its presented.

 

[dionysus]

You said 'random should be random'. I'm merely saying it is.

 

[Tirilej]

I´m not saying the result ins´t random, I am merely annoyed by how its presented.

Instead of being annoyed you could try to see it in a different way.
I'm happy I get four or with just two or three I had no chance...but with four it's at least there
It's just eye candy anyway and being annoyed is just ruining your entertainment

 

[BlaCGaming]

Instead of being annoyed you could try to see it in a different way.
I'm happy I get four or with just two or three I had no chance...but with four it's at least there
It's just eye candy anyway and being annoyed is just ruining your entertainment

I know, I am trying to see the positive side most of the time, but I don´t choose to be annoyed

Thanks for the uplifting thought though

 

[dionysus]

I know, I am trying to see the positive side most of the time, but I don´t choose to be annoyed

Thanks for the uplifting thought though

Well nothing or noone has the power to make you feel annoyed..its something one chooses. The easiest thing is to find a game wherein you enjoy the game dynamics and mechanics.

Ps there's a thread like what you're posting..I think it's called something.to the effect of 'which slot features do you hate'. It's apt for this topic.

 

[orion]

sincerely I think that something very fishy (or at least very odd) was happening on this game some weeks ago.

before talking, and before complaining, I did over 500K spins in real money mode. See also post #11 in this thread.

the difference between TRTP and RTP was brutal. It's the only game ever where I found such a huge difference on such a relevant number of spins.

Must be said that AFTER this thread had its start, I saw here and there jackpots wins suddenly appearing on many webforums.
TBH this strange coincidence is not convincing me the game is random, but it's convincing me it ISN'T random at all.

Tin foil hat also for me this time.

 

[Tirilej]

sincerely I think that something very fishy (or at least very odd) was happening on this game some weeks ago.

before talking, and before complaining, I did over 500K spins in real money mode. See also post #11 in this thread.

the difference between TRTP and RTP was brutal. It's the only game ever where I found such a huge difference on such a relevant number of spins.

Must be said that AFTER this thread had its start, I saw here and there jackpots wins suddenly appearing on many webforums.
TBH this strange coincidence is not convincing me the game is random, but it's convincing me it ISN'T random at all.

Tin foil hat also for me this time.

Ok, so do you believe that the winners was randomly picked out then, or was it a total set up?

 

[orion]

Ok, so do you believe that the winners was randomly picked out then, or was it a total set up?

what I do think is that Ryggdrasil kept the TRTP on extremely low values for weeks (by purpose or by accident I don't know this) and then suddenly they did some intervention.

the winners of course are not guilty of nothing. I am happy for them.

 

[Tirilej]

what I do think is that Ryggdrasil kept the TRTP on extremely low values for weeks (by purpose or by accident I don't know this) and then suddenly they did some intervention.

the winners of course are not guilty of nothing. I am happy for them.

...and I think you're dreaming. Remember that not everyone who wins are posting in a forum. There are much more players out there that are not members of a forum and you will never know what they win.

I posted one screenshot last year I believe, maybe two. Both on wins of over 3000x
Does that tell you I wasn't winning the rest of the time?

 

[5Scatters]

Isn't there supposed to be some rule that bans deceiving players with absurdly high ratios of "near-misses"? I could swear that US land casinos have something like that:

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Because the reel display of modern slot machines is controlled by computer software, it is possible to make the slot machine frequently display combinations that are close to winning combinations. For instance, if the jackpot combination is "7-7-7", a slot machine could be programmed to frequently display "7-7-(non-7)". This can fool the player into thinking they "almost won", teasing them into playing more often.

This practice of showing combinations that are similar to winning combinations more frequently than would occur randomly is called "near-miss" programming. It has been ruled illegal in the U.S. states of Nevada and New Jersey. The Nevada Gaming Commission did review some machines with this type of programming and refused to authorize them.

There is a related phenomenon that is also sometimes called "near-miss". The chance of a winning combination appearing on a payline is controlled by the winning percentages programmed into the slot machine. However, the combinations appearing above and below the payline are all roughly equally randomly distributed. This means it is much more likely that a "winning combination" will appear above or below a payline than on the payline. Using the same example above, it is much more likely that a "winning combination" of "7-7-7" would appear on a line above or below the payline than the chance that it would appear on the payline. This phenomenon only occurs where abbreviated physical reels are used to display a win pattern based upon the RNG. In Video Slot Machines, virtual reels are used and the symbols that appear around the winning line are usually an accurate depiction of how the reels were mathematically modeled.

The issue of a near-miss above or below the payline was also investigated by the Nevada Gaming Commission. They ruled that this was legal, so long as the "near-miss" above or below the payline was not specially programmed. In other words, the "near-miss" must be just as likely to occur as any other combination. The machine cannot be specially programmed to show "winning combinations" more frequently than other combinations above or below the payline.

The calculation is more complicated than implied here. The stops are not 'programmed' in the sense that their outcome is the result of a calculation. In fact, the reel strips (like a mechanical poker machine) are designed so that the machine will pay according to the relevant RTP.

Near-miss programming, where a near miss is inaccurately displayed (i.e. the player is shown something that is not an accurate representation of the reelstrips) is not allowed in Australia either. Due to this, regulators use stop motion cameras to audit manufacturer's practices.

There's no such rule in UK?

 

[orion]

it's ok.
I am a dreamer.

 

[Tirilej]

Now I'm a bit lazy but since you signed up today but already are questioning games and rules I think you should read this thread. https://sussexmskpartnershipeast.com/forums/threads/ask-me-anything-about-slots.77569/

It's a lot to read but I know that what you're asking about now is mentioned there too.

 

[Playford7]

Not a fan of there games one bit, sure amazing graphics etc.. game play unless you are a lot in is frankly hideous.
To me knowing before you start you have almost no chance of a bonus before a bust is pointless.
I play for thrill of a bonus, not bothered if it's 10x, at least I got one!...
With these games you can go on forever in the boring base game, not for me...
Definately not rigged imo, just not my cup of tea(or Dr Pepper) mood depending

 

[trancemonkey]

Isn't there supposed to be some rule that bans deceiving players with absurdly high ratios of "near-misses"? I could swear that US land casinos have something like that:

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There's no such rule in UK?

The near miss rule does exist in the UK as far as I'm aware.... you can check the technical standards on the UKGC website if you want to find out for certain.

 

[trancemonkey]

Now I'm a bit lazy but since you signed up today but already are questioning games and rules I think you should read this thread. https://sussexmskpartnershipeast.com/forums/threads/ask-me-anything-about-slots.77569/

It's a lot to read but I know that what you're asking about now is mentioned there too.

Or ask me on here

 

[trancemonkey]

Now I'm a bit lazy but since you signed up today but already are questioning games and rules I think you should read this thread. https://sussexmskpartnershipeast.com/forums/threads/ask-me-anything-about-slots.77569/

It's a lot to read but I know that what you're asking about now is mentioned there too.

I don't know if its illegal or not, but the "Holmes and stolen stones" Yggdrasil game is definitely a major user of "change game behavior when close to jackpot". The sheer number of times when I have found myself in a free spins round waiting in vain for the 5th gem with 4-5 free spins left is colossal, well over 500. It's statistically impossible that you get to 4 gems almost every round in a thousand rounds, but not even once to 5 gems. It's totally out of proportion.

This would be understandable if observable Gem frequency per reel was similar to Free Spin or Bonus icons, which are much more rare and you'll practically never see 4 (or even 3) of them land on the same reel in 10 spins (and having 3 or 4 of them on screen simultaneously is extremely rare, unlike with gems which experience this frequently), but this has to be a case of taunting players with fake "near misses" that are vastly out of proportion to what you can actually see on the reel and what you are told in the rules.

If you can easily verify that each reel has a 10 to 30% of producing a gem on each spin, then it's simply out of bounds of any imaginable variance that it fails to ever produce a fifth gem on many thousands of spins that it performs in this situation. The chance of that happening is less than one in a billion. And it consistently happens at all bet sizes, from €0.20 to €4.

I will play a bit more and write down these occurrences in detail so someone can send a proper report to UKGC.

I wouldn't bother sending anything to the UK GC as they aren't doing anything wrong. In the base game, we are not allowed to change the chance of something happening based on previous play. It would be compensation and as much as people like to think it exists, it doesn't.

In a Free Games round, where multiple spins are happening in the same credit then it WOULD be allowable to change the reel bands once you have for gems to all but make the fifth gem impossible to get. The outcome of the spin would still have to be randomly determined but it is allowable to change the reel bands based on your progress through a feature...

Note that this is NOT allowable if the games are paid games and not free games. The game also can not base decisions in anything that happened in any previous paid games. This is why we can be more creative in the free games than in the base game.

Is it good game design to do what this game is doing .. No. I don't think so. But it's not illegal.

 

[donpedro]

Yggdrasil FAKE for sure

after i posted about fake yggdrasil game Holmes ... till now i played this game. I made lot of thousands of spins. Today i received answer that my RTP for all activity in that game is 63 %. HOW can anybody imagine that its normal receive 63 % for all thousands of game rounds?
Dont answer those who will say its lucky days and its just unlucky game rounds as all that will mean, that you were not playing those game for long time or at all you were not playing.
P.S. Do you have any ideas how to make a case in courts about such fake games, as previously ive tryed to complaint in MGA, them asnwer was just, we didnt detceted nothing strange...and so on on...MGA doesnt investigate nothing

 

[dionysus]

Hogwash. Players have experienced and posted frequently about sessions way down around 14% and way up into the high hundreds based on outcome. Play any high variance game and you'll come across this.

 

[trancemonkey]

after i posted about fake yggdrasil game Holmes ... till now i played this game. I made lot of thousands of spins. Today i received answer that my RTP for all activity in that game is 63 %. HOW can anybody imagine that its normal receive 63 % for all thousands of game rounds?
Dont answer those who will say its lucky days and its just unlucky game rounds as all that will mean, that you were not playing those game for long time or at all you were not playing.
P.S. Do you have any ideas how to make a case in courts about such fake games, as previously ive tryed to complaint in MGA, them asnwer was just, we didnt detceted nothing strange...and so on on...MGA doesnt investigate nothing

How many games did you play? You say thousands... How many thousands?

Also you can't complain to the MGA or UKGC just because you had a few thousand games that ran under RTP. Are you going to complain when you have a few thousand that run at 124% RTP too?

No of course not...

 

[donpedro]

How many games did you play? You say thousands... How many thousands?

Also you can't complain to the MGA or UKGC just because you had a few thousand games that ran under RTP. Are you going to complain when you have a few thousand that run at 124% RTP too?

No of course not...

As i said i played MILLIONS GAME ROUNDS during my activity in 5 years... and i can say that such comments whrn someone says.. Will you complain when receive 124 % RTP on thousands game rounds.. is nonsence..because no one game session during 5 years ..thiudands of session spins..and millions game rounds during whole time...never got RTP even bigger thna 98% .... so dont dont tell such things about RTP ...because 63% rtp is fake. And why game has setted RTP if the casinos dont meet them at all...

 

[dionysus]

As i said i played MILLIONS GAME ROUNDS during my activity in 5 years... and i can say that such comments whrn someone says.. Will you complain when receive 124 % RTP on thousands game rounds.. is nonsence..because no one game session during 5 years ..thiudands of session spins..and millions game rounds during whole time...never got RTP even bigger thna 98% .... so dont dont tell such things about RTP ...because 63% rtp is fake. And why game has setted RTP if the casinos dont meet them at all...

Because it doesn't guarantee YOU will receive the game RTP. .if everyone received the game RTP noone would bother playing..the point is you hope you're one of the few.who exceed it during a session.

 

[trancemonkey]

As i said i played MILLIONS GAME ROUNDS during my activity in 5 years... and i can say that such comments whrn someone says.. Will you complain when receive 124 % RTP on thousands game rounds.. is nonsence.. because no one game session during 5 years ..thiudands of session spins..and millions game rounds during whole time...never got RTP even bigger thna 98% .... so dont dont tell such things about RTP ...because 63% rtp is fake. And why game has setted RTP if the casinos dont meet them at all...

So what you're trying to tell me is that in all the sessions you've played on slots you have never, ever won more than you started with? That's exactly what that bit in bold says...

I've had many sessions at the kind of RTP you mention. I've never once claimed the games were fake.

 

[lotusch]

I find it funny and interesting at the same time that Ygdrassil gets so many negative comments across the different gambling websites out there on the WWW.
For sure they have programmed their slots in a different way than most other providers with their so called Isense technology.

As known I am not a fan of their slots either.
There is something in the behaviour of their slots I cannot grasp but it just does not feel right.

I will keep this simple for now just to try and explain what I mean with above:

How come I can open any Netent / MGS / WMS / Novomatic game and hit a FS round with my first spin or within a few spins while I never ever had this on ANY Ygdrassil slot.
RNG? Bad Luck?
No I don't think so, I feel their slots are programmed this way that you have to invest (big) first before the slot starts to chuck out some wins to compensate and get you closer to a normal expected RTP%.

The best example for me is Golden Fish Tank.
When this game came out I played it quite heavy across different casino's and on NONE of them I am even close to getting back what I have put in them.

I know it all sounds weird but this is how it feels.

These days I stay far away from Ygdrassil slots except for the odd 100 spins on Cazino Zeppelin, the only Ygdrassil slot I actually ever won something on.

 

[trancemonkey]

I find it funny and interesting at the same time that Ygdrassil gets so many negative comments across the different gambling websites out there on the WWW.
For sure they have programmed their slots in a different way than most other providers with their so called Isense technology.

As known I am not a fan of their slots either.
There is something in the behaviour of their slots I cannot grasp but it just does not feel right.

I will keep this simple for now just to try and explain what I mean with above:

How come I can open any Netent / MGS / WMS / Novomatic game and hit a FS round with my first spin or within a few spins while I never ever had this on ANY Ygdrassil slot.
RNG? Bad Luck?
No I don't think so, I feel their slots are programmed this way that you have to invest (big) first before the slot starts to chuck out some wins to compensate and get you closer to a normal expected RTP%.

The best example for me is Golden Fish Tank.
When this game came out I played it quite heavy across different casino's and on NONE of them I am even close to getting back what I have put in them.

I know it all sounds weird but this is how it feels.

These days I stay far away from Ygdrassil slots except for the odd 100 spins on Cazino Zeppelin, the only Ygdrassil slot I actually ever won something on.

I had Free Spins on Golden Fish Tank on my first spin on Saturday....