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[snorky510238]

I have some serious doubts about the legitimacy of VS. I do not play many games that are set at a lower rtp than I can obtain elsewhere. Yet about 18 months ago, I started noticing that my deposits weren’t lasting anywhere near as long as they used to.

I thought, perhaps it’s just bad luck but it just stayed that way. Then I started to notice it was getting progressively worse, if that was possible. Even when I had a win, it always seemed to be as if it was capped. I also hit my deposit limit 3 or 4 times in the past 12 months. Something which had never happened in the previous 6 years.

I have just come off the back of 50 odd consecutive losing deposits all at £15 a time. There were, iIrc, two occasions where my deposit went up to £50 and £70 respectively but I didn’t withdraw it. All the others went downhill fairly rapidly.

I mean, that’s some sort of bad luck, right. Well, I am not convinced it is. More than ever, I think games are cheating the player. Providers constructing games, whereby the rtp might be somewhere near advertised but is programmed in such a way that you might hit rtp but never achieve a withdraw-able balance.

To add some context to what I am saying, I checked the amount of money I have deposited at VS and when I have lost the majority.

In 7 and half years, I have lost £9,385.

What is remarkably noticeable is that, I am always careful with withdrawals and hardly ever play money back. My lifetime deposits are £47,330 and I don’t play with a set limit on deposits but more, play for a certain amount of time at whatever deposits are required, if that makes sense.

Yet in the first 6 years, I only needed to deposit half of the lifetime total, to achieve the same gameplay as the last 18 months and in the last 18 months, I have lost double the amount, I did in the first 6 years. How is that even remotely possible, unless something has drastically changed?

Well, the obvious answer is, it isn’t possible unless something underhanded is going on. My gameplay there has been utterly disgusting in that last 18 months but of course, with what had happened previously (decent gameplay/game time), you are led into thinking that at some point your luck will change and things will go back to normal.

This didn’t happen though and the opposite did happen, my deposits lasted for less and less time, the bigger wins completely disappeared and I arrived at this point where I just had to question the point of even bothering to play any longer.

Think what you will folks (and this doesn’t just apply to VS), all Casinos and providers are “at it”, but if you think, you’re being shafted, it’s because you are, in no uncertain terms.

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[dionysus]

*shrugs
Could be wrong (I am often).
But I'd guess theyve simply shit RTP (they purchase/lease the lowest available option) than anything shady is all.
If you arent having fun and you arent winning, play elsewhere.

 

[dionysus]

This isn't specifically directed toward you, but ANY member.
If you think or believe any casino is doing anything considered untoward, flag @Casinomeister or @maxd (Hell, they are both, nice, rational men, PM) so they can address it and take any actions required.
If you arent happy, and you think it's a *hit casino, sure, share....spread the love/dislike

But anyone STILL plays and flogs money into a casino thinks screws them over, is an utter idiot.

 

[snorky510238]

*shrugs
Could be wrong (I am often).
But I'd guess theyve simply shit RTP (they purchase/lease the lowest available option) than anything shady is all.
If you arent having fun and you arent winning, play elsewhere.

Shrugs* Shows how much notice you take. At the start of the post, I clearly state, I have rarely played games with a lower rtp.

 

[dionysus]

Shrugs* Shows how much notice you take. At the start of the post, I clearly state, I have rarely played games with a lower rtp.

yet, you showed youve lost nearly 6500 there, and you know enough they have low RTP....sooooooo

 

[snorky510238]

*shrugs
Could be wrong (I am often).
But I'd guess theyve simply shit RTP (they purchase/lease the lowest available option) than anything shady is all.
If you arent having fun and you arent winning, play elsewhere.

*Shrugs.
Shows how much notice you take. At the start of the post, I clearly state, I have rarely played lower rtp versions.

*Shrugs again.

 

[snorky510238]

yet, you showed youve lost nearly 6500 there, and you know enough they have low RTP....sooooooo

How is that connected?

 

[dionysus]

How is that connected?

Well, you are bitching for bitching sakes, and clearly lost and sunk more in
so...head? Hammering? Wall?

 

[snorky510238]

Well, you are bitching for bitching sakes, and clearly lost and sunk more in
so...head? Hammering? Wall?

Anybody dares to post anything that doesn’t suit your agenda and you’re on it like a shot. Just trying to shoot it down without looking at the bigger picture.

I wouldn’t like to be in court with you on jury, jeez, talk about one dimensional thinking.

 

[dionysus]

Anybody dares to post anything that doesn’t suit your agenda and you’re on it like a shot. Just trying to shoot it down without looking at the bigger picture.

I wouldn’t like to be in court with you on jury, jeez, talk about one dimensional thinking.

This is the @Casinomeister .com site not the wuvs and huggles site; dont start a new thread thinking you're going to get 'there, there, it's all good'. You invite discourse when you post, not agreements to your personal stance.
Some will agree, some won't.
I don't
If the site sucks, leave.
If you're losing thousands of dollars, don't play.
Simples.

 

[snorky510238]

This is the @Casinomeister .com site not the wuvs and huggles site; dont start a new thread thinking you're going to get 'there, there, it's all good'. You invite discourse when you post, not agreements to your personal stance.
Some will agree, some won't.
I don't
If the site sucks, leave.
If you're losing thousands of dollars, don't play.
Simples.

You’re not bringing anything to the discussion though are you? Other than your totally one sided view. It’s quite obvious that if anyone dares to post something like this, they must be wrong, it can’t happen, the industry is squeaky clean.

I don’t see the need to post sarcasm either. Where did I say I need hugs and cuddles, ffs. If I wanted oohs and aahs and to be liked and loved, I’d have posted a picture of my dog.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

What games are you playing now Snorks??

Just bonanza or other offerings? The high volly stuff (which most games are now trending towards) will ruin you quicker than games from years back. Mega quick if you don’t get those rare big hits.

Some of the older titles definitely turned money over in a kinder way than some of the newer awful releases.

 

[dionysus]

Well, clearly, you havent read nor followed my oh, decade plus here
I'm neither pro casino nor pro member, but try to find reasonable common middle ground.
I support general common sense

 

[perunamies]

Player loses at casino. Shocking. ?

 

[snorky510238]

Player loses at casino. Shocking. ?

You obviously spent a lot of time thinking about that post.

 

[dionysus]

Better really, to think about losses and chases

 

[snorky510238]

What games are you playing now Snorks??

Just bonanza or other offerings? The high volly stuff (which most games are now trending towards) will ruin you quicker than games from years back. Mega quick if you don’t get those rare big hits.

Some of the older titles definitely turned money over in a kinder way than some of the newer awful releases.

Various but not really HV games. BTG, mainly and I have tried some new games.

 

[snorky510238]

Better really, to think about losses and chases

So from my OP, you don’t see anything that would be a cause of concern for you? You would just accept that, as “it’s the way it goes”?

 

[dionysus]

So from my OP, you don’t see anything that would be a cause of concern for you? You would just accept that, as “it’s the way it goes”?

No, I accept VS will always opt for the lowest possible RTP offered, and simply find a new place to play with better offerings that suit my/your play-style

 

[dionysus]

I don't dislike you snorky; just, choose with your wallet is all .....stop beating your head against a brick wall

 

[orion]

out of polemic, (I am not a big fan of VS, but I haven't anything against them, I cannot even play there) here one of the questions may be:
-further to the TRTP settings, can also other parameters be modified ? (i.e. VARIANCE) ?

and I am very confused about this, since here on CM forum some eminent and prestigious members did answer that NO, it would be a big headache to do again all the tests for the reg markets; but on the other side on my market two operators admitted that the variance may be altered since it is not illegal.

so that, I am puzzled and confused.

@snorky510238 I think you should stop depositing and playing on casinos where you lost your confidence. I really can't get how you can enjoy your time is such a situation.

 

[snorky510238]

That is why I posted because I have reached the stage, where I can no longer have any confidence in any Casino.

If you could see my gameplay for the last 6 months at all the Casinos I play, then you would see, the stark similarities.

This cannot be down to bad luck, it really can’t. I am not one to question things unless I have good reason to do so.

As for the variance being changed, I will absolutely guarantee you that Bonanza, DHV, Chilli and Millionaire, have all been altered.

Bonanza, to the degree where it’s unrecognisable from the original version. I used to have sessions on that, where I could regularly hit between 5 and 10 bonuses and come away with a decent win.

Now your lucky if you see one bonus in 1,000 spins and when you do it generally pays less than x100.

This is partly why I have posted this because I am done with online slotting. I am walking away from the turgid filthy industry that it has become.

It may not be anytime soon but one day the truth will come out about it all.

 

[dionysus]

Ok
Granted, casinos are massively dropping RTP
They ARE opting for lower RTP offerimgs. They are filling pockets and giving less back.
You KNOW this.
You are AWARE of this.
You are.... WE all are. this is pretty much public knowledge, out there, in here.
So....
Stop playing or find casinos with better RTP
I dont get the OP
If you know....scout elsewhere, or dont play

This is NOT rocket science

 

[gonzo fonso]

i agree with snorky slots have changed,all this about BTG only offer one maths model of RTP i just dont beleive it,cost of living and everything has gone up and casinos no exception have tightened there belts

 

[sapit222]

For me it also feels like the game providers change the coding (how the game plays) on some games (all games?).
Maybe the TRTP is the same, maybe not.

I still try my old favorite games (Immortal Romance, Playboy, Game of Thrones, Deadwood etc) now and then, but they dont play the same way for me since a long time back. No, its probably not just bad luck.

 

[dionysus]

i agree with snorky slots have changed,all this about BTG only offer one maths model of RTP i just dont beleive it,cost of living and everything has gone up and casinos no exception have tightened there belts

I....dont understand your post
BTG only offers one model

 

[dionysus]

Frankly, the guru here is @dunover who has his finger on the pulse of RTP

 

[gonzo fonso]

I....dont understand your post
BTG only offers one model

they can tell you anything at the end of the day,plus there are many different versions of bonanza,all slot providers have lower RTP versions why would BTG be any different ?

 

[gonzo fonso]

and another thing of the half dozen places i do play at,videoslots is by far the place ive has less withdrawls

 

[dionysus]

they can tell you anything at the end of the day,plus there are many different versions of bonanza,all slot providers have lower RTP versions why would BTG be any different ?

there's one version of bonanza
providers offer lower models by demand
BTG likely doesnt need different models as they have ridic HV games
Could they lie? Surely...but I cant see a reason....theyre insanely, by design, high HV

 

[greylady]

I have actually given up playing because the slots feel different, it's nigh on impossible to get ahead and game play is sooo predictable.

I do sometimes wonder if bonus buys have something to do with it. In the UK we have to grind it out, whilst everyone else can buy the bonus!

Either that or the slot providers/casino's are raking the money in before they hit and run from the UK.

Take a break Snorks

 

[gonzo fonso]

there's one version of bonanza
providers offer lower models by demand
BTG likely doesnt need different models as they have ridic HV games
Could they lie? Surely...but I cant see a reason....theyre insanely, by design, high HV

there maybe only one version of bonanza for you,but here in the uk playing at sky vegas,videoslots,32 red,pokerstars and others its not the exact same version

 

[dionysus]

there maybe only one version of bonanza for you,but here in the uk playing at sky vegas,videoslots,32 red,pokerstars and others its not the exact same version

unless something has drastically changed, BTG leases out one single RTP version, UK or otherwise
But again, I'll defer to @dunover on this

 

[orion]

I....dont understand your post
BTG only offers one model

Dio, of course I don't know, since only an insider can be 100% sure about that, BUT

BUT this BTG company is offering their games to italian casinos since years, and if this cannot be considered as a 100% proof, at least it is an important clue. FYI, they weren't even considering to offer Relax games till few weeks ago. Now Relax has capitulated and they are approacing them.

As about me, I also gave up, non only with BTG (even if BTG was the first to be blacklisted on my gameplan), but with slotting in general. The results had dropped down in a dramatically way, and it is not funny anymore.

I also closed many casino accounts, the good is that I am saving money, the bad is that after the accounts closing I have been sold and now I spend a lot of time to defend my data and my credit cards.

 

[anddi32]

BTG offers different models even under MGA. But it's because platforms.
I think there is at least Bonanza under Relax-platform and Bonanza under NYX-platform.
So the model version is different, the rules and RTP are the same

 

[dionysus]

BTG offers different models even under MGA. But it's because platforms.
I think there is at least Bonanza under Relax-platform and Bonanza under NYX-platform.
So the model version is different, the rules and RTP are the same

I'm happy to own, I'm 6 mo behind the curve and catching up so ty for any educated fill-ups.

 

[snorky510238]

Ok
Granted, casinos are massively dropping RTP
They ARE opting for lower RTP offerimgs. They are filling pockets and giving less back.
You KNOW this.
You are AWARE of this.
You are.... WE all are. this is pretty much public knowledge, out there, in here.
So....
Stop playing or find casinos with better RTP
I dont get the OP
If you know....scout elsewhere, or dont play

This is NOT rocket science

Are you purposely ignoring the OP? I have stated twice now that I have rarely played games that have a reduced rtp. Are you actually reading the posts properly or just skimming them. You keep coming back with reduced rtp, reduced rtp, like a bleeding parrot, when I made a point of stating I don’t play them to avoid that standard reply.

 

[mightydegen]

Providers constructing games, whereby the rtp might be somewhere near advertised but is programmed in such a way that you might hit rtp but never achieve a withdraw-able balance.

I understand your frustration, but this is impossible. Each and every games is tested and verified by independent test houses who are accredited by the relevant gambling authority. What you're suggesting is actual fraud, not only does it discredit themselves, but the provider and the whole industry. There are countless audits which verify that this type of practice does not happen, the governance wrapped around this is huge.
There are so many reasons why this is happening to you, I'll list a few below, have a think.
- Change in slot style, you're playing highly volatile games which burn you out much faster
- The games you're playing are 94% and below
- You're playing on average higher stakes than usual due to frustration
- Your pattern of play is different, less spins per game hoping to hit bonuses early on

...And that's to name just a few

 

[dionysus]

Are you purposely ignoring the OP? I have stated twice now that I have rarely played games that have a reduced rtp. Are you actually reading the posts properly or just skimming them. You keep coming back with reduced rtp, reduced rtp, like a bleeding parrot, when I made a point of stating I don’t play them to avoid that standard reply.

Not sure why the fussy angry post?
I read every post and replied to many
Please don't talk parroting. You've......300 posts in a Bonanza thread 'parroting' the same issue

 

[snorky510238]

BTG offers different models even under MGA. But it's because platforms.
I think there is at least Bonanza under Relax-platform and Bonanza under NYX-platform.
So the model version is different, the rules and RTP are the same

But they aren’t though and this has been proven. The rules or programming or whatever you want to call it, at Sky was different. When landing the 117 max ways, scatters never appeared. It was mentioned in the thread and as if by magic, they started appearing. (After about 4 years).

N.B. I don’t see how a member of the public can state there is only version. There’s more evidence to suggest otherwise than there is to back up those statements.

 

[dionysus]

N.B. I don’t see how a member of the public can state there is only version. There’s more evidence to suggest otherwise than there is to back up those statements.

Rather than speculate...tag.......
@Casinomeister
@maxd
@dunover
sorry, I dont know the tag for BTG

and request answers, and the forum will be aware, yes? Win-win

 

[mightydegen]

But they aren’t though and this has been proven. The rules or programming or whatever you want to call it, at Sky was different. When landing the 117 max ways, scatters never appeared. It was mentioned in the thread and as if by magic, they started appearing. (After about 4 years).

N.B. I don’t see how a member of the public can state there is only version. There’s more evidence to suggest otherwise than there is to back up those statements.

This is borderline whacko-conspiracy theory. You are so incredibly wrong.

 

[paul7388]

Rather than speculate...tag.......
@Casinomeister
@maxd
@dunover
sorry, I dont know the tag for BTG

and request answers, and the forum will be aware, yes? Win-win

And the point of tagging them would be what.

Max does not gamble so would never know if slots have changed.

Bryan as far as I am aware does not play Bonanza every day.

And Dunover has openly stated he thinks the way the game has played is different.

 

[bamberfishcake]

Personally 110% certain Immortal Romance has been updated. No way is that game the same IR of old.

Trouble is Snork, let's assume you're right, none of us will find out. Probably best to play somewhere else if the run is really bad at VS.

Remember Nikantw? Also stopped paying at VS because he thought something shady was going on.

Bad show in here for laying into a member about expressing his views in my opinion. Not some newbie who joined to try and get his money back after skirting around RG. This is the Snorksta, have some respect.

 

[paul7388]

This is borderline whacko-conspiracy theory. You are so incredibly wrong.

Think you need to do research before you say it is whacko theory.

Maybe the game still runs at same RTP and maybe Snorky is just unlucky.

But fact is the game did have different versions. The version at sky Vegas did not contain scatters during Max Megaways and that is a fact backed up by every player that played it in the Bonanza thread.

So that alone proves different versions. And fact it has changed and now has the scatters shows a version can and will be changed in updates. And not a single whacko conspiracy theory needed to prove that.

 

[mightydegen]

Personally 110% certain Immortal Romance has been updated. No way is that game the same IR of old.

Trouble is Snork, let's assume you're right, none of us will find out. Probably best to play somewhere else if the run is really bad at VS.

Remember Nikantw? Also stopped paying at VS because he thought something shady was going on.

Bad show in here for laying into a member about expressing his views in my opinion. Not some newbie who joined to try and get his money back after skirting around RG. This is the Snorksta, have some respect.

You can quite easily fetch Immortal Romance certificates dating back to the original launch date to verify what you're speculating, I suggest you do so.

 

[dionysus]

And the point of tagging them would be what.

Um? Because if you want to post, have questions and concerns about casinos, in the forum you came to about casinos, laden with industry experts about casinos?
I'd think that's rather self-evident, no?
Did you think @Casinomeister just dropped in to add emojis
?

 

[bamberfishcake]

You can quite easily fetch Immortal Romance certificates dating back to the original launch date to verify what you're speculating, I suggest you do so.

Yes, like you can get your hands on the publicly disclosed info from Pfizer about the vaccines being 100% effective.

I don't care what the certificate says. My experience is the game has noticeably changed.

I suggest you go and prove me wrong

 

[snorky510238]

This is borderline whacko-conspiracy theory. You are so incredibly wrong.

And your proof please?

 

[snorky510238]

@dunover amongst many others, stated time and again how Raging Rhino had changed. These are seasoned members who I trust, have enough experience for their statements to be valid.

My point being is that, I didn’t see one single post defending the gimping of that game so why are people so confident, that it hasn’t happened with BTG games?